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luckily I am well stocked with seals. But I like your idea which is well
timed as there are two old wet suits of mine on the floor behind me that
I was going to throw out tomorrow. I will cut some material off and keep
it on board just in case.
I will be refitting the bow thruster Monday once the anti fouling work
is complete and launching Tuesday.
Good luck with the sale. What next?
Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader
On 28/07/2012 16:01, Richard03801 wrote:
Hi you've done well. In the event you can not get the unit our buy
8-10 mm thick wet suit material using a hole saw the approx size of
the tube make new seals for outside the hull. Slit the material on an
angle and glue them in place with the slits at 12:00 and 0600 that
should work. Do the same with the one inside and keep THE PIN IN WHEN
NOT IN USE.
Regards SM 209 for sale at a deal in Annapolis.
Cell 603 767 5330
On Jul 28, 2012, at 3:24, Bob Parry <firstname.lastname@example.org
Hi Ian,the most
We wondered how you were getting on. The bow thruster is certainly
frustrating piece of equipment. The anti-torque plate was on our boat when
we bought it in 2004 but had not been fitted (our bow thruster is fromserviced
1990). That tended to indicate that the bow thruster had not been
for a while. It was fitted when we finally had the bow thruster servicedbefore
We found the drop method to be quite traumatic and decided to quit
we did damage. We might try it again when (if) the need arises but we would
not persevere.locally. We
We found that there was no corrosion of the splines and our only problem
was corrosion of the motor base making it grip the tube.
We have followed the discussion of the seals with interest. The Turkish
mechanic replaced our seals with identical ones that he bought
sailed from Turkey to Australia without a drop of water entering until New
Caledonia. That included beating for a week into 15-20+ knots on ourusing it.
passage from Panama to Galapagos. It will be interesting to see what has
happened to the seal to cause the problem.
As a point of interest, we unpin our bow thruster only when we are
Ann and Bob Parry
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Ian Shepherd
it did not go well. In fact it took one and a half days to remove the
bow thruster despite being soaked in Corrosion Block and other
almost a week before we tried to remove it. Here is the saga and a sure
way to get it out next time.
First we tried the drop method mentioned on this site. The only success
we had with this technique was to splinter the trunk fibreglass and
remove the skin off my hands!
Then we tied one end of a rope to the thruster just above the gearbox
and tied the other end to a 6 foot steel square sectioned tube. One end
of the tube tucked under the forward hull support trestle. Downward
pressure and several persuasive beatings with a wooden block did
about 3/16th of an inch but no further. Just enough in fact so that the
securing pins would not go back in, leaving the boat unusable. No
turning back now. More solvent, more beatings but no more movement. The
end of the day came and I retired to bed to lick my wounds and curse
this bow thruster even more than I have in the past.
Next morning, thinking that the splines on the drive shaft must have
corroded, I decided to dismantle the gearbox so that we could withdraw
the tube downwards and the motor and shaft upwards. Having removed the
prop shaft and major planet gear wheel, the drive shaft then dropped
down an inch, so obviously it was not the splines causing the trouble
but the fibre tube stuck to the inside of the motor housing despite
being well greased as were the splines when I last serviced the unit.
It was now clear that we had to twist the motor relative to the shaft.
To do this, we removed the ant-torque plate from the underside of the
motor and repositioned it 90 degrees anticlockwise so that the two
prongs faced aft into the cabin. (You will have to move the bolt that
does not hold the plate to the motor one step anticlockwise too so that
it aligns with the hole in the plate). - For those who do not have this
plate, then you are out of luck. It was added to the design after my
sinking to stop the bow thruster tube failing. Amel rightly made
modification kits for all SM's fitted with the larger motor, and if you
don't have one, then I would thoroughly recommend getting one. For two
We found a 3 foot tube that fitted over the anti-torque plate
tried to twist the motor against the tube. After a huge amount of
and and extension bar, we moved it a little then sprayed more lube in
though the locking pin holes. Gradually it freed up some more, but the
thruster still refused to pull free despite the leverage of the 6 foot
bar beneath. After many futile attempts I got the mechanic to twist the
motor whilst I put all of my weight on the bar below and eventually we
got the bow thruster out. This method will work, providing you have the
means to twist the motor.
Examination of the tube revealed no pitting and there was very little
rust on the inside of the motor housing. I believe that it was just
too tight. It always was very difficult to locate the tube in the fully
home position in the motor housing. There was no rust on the motor
bearing, or the splines, both being well greased.
As a precaution I have ground out the inside of the motor housing using
my Dremmel so that the fit is now more agricultural and less prone to
seizure. I will also reassemble it with Corrosion Block anti corrosion
grease instead of plain water proof grease once the trunk fibreglass
repair is complete. Hopefully such a nightmare will not happen again.
Maybe a contributary factor is that since modifying the bow thruster to
run in grease with sealed bearings, it has not been necessary to remove
it so frequently to get rid of the mayonnaise. The last removal was
almost three years ago. (See next post).
Ian Shepherd SM2000 #414 Built 2003 Location Mediterranean
On 18/07/2012 08:17, Bob Parry wrote:
Good luck with it. As you can imagine, the oil in ours was like
It still worked well and sounded fine but it was probably on a shortfuse.
We don't know why it started to leak on our way from New Caledonia
seems logical that the seal was somehow damaged when we went to
dock. Up until then, it had been bone dry.
Hope all goes well. We will be interested to hear how it went.
Ann and Bob
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Ian Shepherd
I was joking when I said lift the foredeck of course! I was just
imagining the car jack trying to lift it up as it generated
hope to start work on the thruster next Saturday when I am back in
As I have filled my thruster with grease instead of oil, it would be
possible to do all the servicing without disconnecting from the
but I know that if I don't get it apart now and re-grease the
then I probably never will. Thanks for the reminder on the neoprene
seal. I will have a good look at that too.
On my first SM I built a rubber dam around the entry area to the
of the boat and fitted drain tubes that connected to the anchor
drain pipe. This reduced considerably the amount of water ending up
under the floor adjacent to the forward heads.
When the thruster arrangement was re-designed following my
later boats have a watertight compartment for the thruster that
into the chain locker pipe. End of problem.
I will post my findings when I have dismantled the thruster to
the grease worked out. Audibly, it seems fine after almost three
of use using grease.
Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Built 2003
On 17/07/2012 09:20, Bob Parry wrote:
I don't know what you have envisaged about the process that was
Yalikivak but we DID NOT remove the foredeck. They removed the bowthruster
motor to give room to move at the top of the bow thruster (motor was
dismantled) and the whole thing was supported under the boat push
the action of the jack. The bow thruster was in the up position and
jacked the top section upwards, hence the need to remove the
the boat for 5 years before we managed to get it fixed. We had triedseals
everything including the drop method with the only result being
consternation among other people in the boat yard.
We have a rubber seal as well as the foam ones. It is similar to the
used in irrigation systems and it has the "open" side down to stop
of water. Ours had become so bad that we had to put a bulge pump
bilge outside the forward head. We have since travelled from
Brisbane in Australia and had no water come in until the last
Caledonia. It appears that the seal has suffered some damage.
will find out during our next haul out.
Ann and Bob Parry
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Ian Shepherd<
Hi Bo& Ann,
thanks for the info. I will try Bill's drop suggestion first before
trying to lift the foredeck! I presume by seal you mean the
that go around the shaft? There is a correct way to fit them as I
believe that one side is harder than the other. Can you please
of the correct way round? I would assume that the hard side is
the top and bottom of the hole and the soft side faces down and
is it the other way round?
Ian SM 414 Crusader Built 2003
On 17/07/2012 00:32, Bob Parry wrote:
We had the same problem on our 1990 Super Maramu. It was finally
an Englishman and his Turkish assistant in Yalikavak. They removed
motor to give room at the top and used a hydraulic car jack.
inside the boat and the Turkish assistant supported the bottom
boat. It took a bit of effort but it worked. Whoever serviced it
bought the boat had put a seal in upside down and the steel
corroded and was holding the fibreglass? tube in a vice-like grip.
Good luck with it.
Ann and Bob Parry
Nowornot SM#33 in Brisbane
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:38 AM, sv_crusader<
I am having difficulty removing my bow thruster to service it. It
well and truly stuck when I try to pull it out of the boat. I
the tube/motor housing connection with Corrosion Block and other
in the hope that it will free up in a few days, but I suspect the
splines may be corroded despite greasing them the last time
Has anyone discovered a way of freeing up the unit without
damage? The boat is on the hard (at your last haul out spot Bill&
Ian Shepherd SM2000 414 Crusader Built 2003 Med
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