Stephan,I ordered the parts from LeRoy Sommer.The gearboxes, worm gear, and bronze gears came  came unpainted. loose in a bag with the lip seals and gaskets. . There were no roller bearings(sealed ball bearings) included. I had a friend who owns a large machine shop assemble it and drilled and tapped 2 holes to grease the box. I also  took a few thousands off the outhaul shaft and key. I had the gearboxes powder coated .  I also rebuilt the old 2 gearboxes using newbronze gears from LeRoy Sommer so I have 2 spares. However i believe greasing the boxes and Genoa furler regularly will increase the life considerably, Kimberlite is 10  years old , so i hope not to face this problem in the immediate future.with respect to the boom, I tried everything to remove the furler shaft. After all else failed i went to the sledgehammer. It was simple as the wire on the furling motor is long enough to put the boom on deck by just removing the bolt in the gooseneck.I believe if you go to the LeRoy Sommer website you can find the exploded drawing of the gearbox.FYI, although i used a sledgehammer to work on the boat I am a Jeweler and was a watchmaker and know how much force to apply to do a job.Fair winds,Eruicsm376----- Original Message -----From: stephreg Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 4:49 pmSubject: Re: [Amel] Out-haul gearbox for SM2KTo: amelyachtowners@...> > > > Eric,> > Wow! That was fast. Thank you. A couple of questions:> > When you say "they ordered the parts", are you referring to Amel > or Leroy Somer? Also, the reference to "roller bearings" is > confusing as I did not find any roller bearings in my assembly. > Are you referring to the sealed bearing assembly (which I think > are ball bearings) or is it possible that you have a newer > version of the gear box?> > If you get a chance to post the drawings, I would appreciate > being able to see them.> > As to the sledge hammer, I was referring to using it to > disassemble the bearings and bronze wheel from the inner shaft > on which they are mounted. Bronze may not react as well to the > hammer approach. Although seating the new wheel with a hammer > may not require as much force since you can clean and lubricate > the shaft prior to reassembly and reassembly is the point where > you care the most about not hurting the parts. So maybe the > hammer works.> > Regardless, the alternative to taking the boom off and using the > hammer is illustrated by Ipanema in the photo section. This I > have done and can report that it is quick, easy and works under > the worst corrosion conditions. It also avoids disassembly of > boom from mast. It does, however, require the fabrication of the > "gear puller" that Ipanema illustrates. Mine is simpler and > uses slightly thinner stock, but the idea is the same. Thank > you Ipanema for sharing.> > And while we are thanking people for sharing, Eric, your > suggestion of using anti seize compound is a great idea and > applies to several other bits of the Amel that are subject to > corrosion like the sheave on the line handler for the genoa car. > > > By the way, when your new gearbox came, was it the Amel version > (s/s bolts, white paint) or a "stock version"?> > Finally, do you recall the price of this unit?> > Fair winds and following seas,> > Stephan> > > > --- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite@... wrote:> >> > Hi,> > on my sm #376 the gearbox is number gz158600.> > They ordered the parts for me from France and it arrived via > fedex--expensive but fast.> > Justin told me that the reason I did not receive the roller > bearings was that Amel assembled the gearbox.> > I have photos of the gearbox parts and a parts drawing of the > box. Unfortunately, i can not post them from where I am at this time.> > > > With respect to a frozen outhaul shaft, i am quite good > mechanically, and besides taking the boom off and bringing it to > a machine shop with a press, ansledge hammer works perfectly fine.> > There are some photos on this subject in the Kimberlite section.> > > > All that has to be done is to remove the boom and turn it > upside down on the deck supporting it with numerous heavy > boards. The trick is to install a grade 10 (black) machine bolt > and screw it all the way into the shaft. a few hits with a large > sledge hammer will remove the shaft quickly without causing any > damage.> > > If you use any other grade bolt it will bend. The grade 10 > bolts are also great to use on the autoprop prop puller as the > stainless ones supplied will break if the prop is really stuck.> > > > Now before making any salty passage we remove the shaft and > smear it anti seize compound-now it always comes out easily.> > Fair Winds,> > eric> > sm376> > > > ----- Original Message -----> > From: stephreg > > Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 1:50 pm> > Subject: [Amel] Out-haul gearbox for SM2K> > To: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all SM and SMM owners:> > > > > > To revisit the subject of the out-haul gearbox and update > > > details, I called Leroy Somer in the USA and spoke with > Mathieu > > > Herieau who told me:> > > > > > 1. Justin is no longer in this position, he has transferred > > > elsewhere within the Emerson Electric group. > > > > > > 2. The gearbox number within Leroy Somer is MVA M33C with a > > > ratio of 60. Mathieu told me that the number "102014" is not > a > > > number used within Leroy Somer. The part is manufactured in > > > France and distributed in the US by someone in South > Carolina. > > > I will update the contact details after Mathieu responds to > my > > > inquiry so you can contact the right person directly.> > > > > > 3. The bronze gear, which is the gear that will take the > > > majority of wear (after seals and bearings), is handled by > LM > > > Electric in Montreal. I have not contacted them yet, but > will > > > provide contact details if they are willing to source the part.> > > > > > 4. Amel's last purchase of the gearbox appears to be a batch > in > > > 2006. I have not contacted Amel to see if they have any > > > remaining in stock.> > > > > > 5. However, Amel purchased a batch of the bronze gears > (Mathieu > > > called them "wheels") in 2012. Again, I have not contacted > Amel > > > about current inventory.> > > > > > 6. Mathieu, while looking at the computer notes, observed > that > > > Amel had certain modifications to the stock gearbox made: > > > stainless bolts to close the case, special paint on the > housing, > > > an adaptation for the connection to the electric motor. The > > > adaptation to the connection to the electric motor is the > only > > > issue I see to using the stock gearbox. Replacing the bolts > > > with stainless is straightforward as is applying suitable > paint. > > > > > > > > > On reflecting on this information and talking with my local > > > machine shop, I believe that it would be easier and possibly > > > cheaper to overhaul the existing gearbox rather than > replacing > > > it, which would require separating the gearbox from the > motor. > > > > > > If the bronze wheel can be sourced, then the bearings and > seals > > > are standard industrial items. The only other serious wear > item > > > is the top half of the case, which tends to corrode from > salt > > > water sitting on the top around the seal. After significant > > > corrosion, the seal will no longer seat properly. A poorly > > > seated seal simply accelerates downstream problems from salt-> > > water intrusion.> > > > > > If one has the parts, any half-way competent machine shop > can > > > disassemble the box, pull the seals, bearings and bronze > wheel, > > > replace same, and reassemble. In fact, an Amel owner could > > > probably accomplish the same with access to a gear puller to > > > take stuff apart and a press to put it together. Given that > the > > > key to a successful overhaul is the bronze wheel, however, I > > > would think that using the sledge hammer (recommended by > some > > > for removing the output shaft from the gear box), is a less > than > > > elegant solution.> > > > > > If you have the gear box in pieces, this would be a good > time to > > > add some grease ports. Posts elsewhere discuss this.> > > > > > Finally, inspection of the bronze wheel shows just how much > wear > > > it takes when one does not relieve the load on the main sail > > > before furling or unfurling the sail. I would think that you > > > could get several decades of service from the gearbox if the > > > sail was never furled or unfurled under load and the gearbox > > > were splashed with fresh water after every sail. The ease of > > > pushing a button has removed the feedback loop so we never > > > really appreciate how much our equipment works.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Stephan (secretly-wants-to-be-a-machinist-himself) Regulinski> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Mark" > > > wrote:>> > > > Hi Eric,> > > > > > > > I've pasted below msg 8933, which I think has the > information > > > you are looking for.> > > > > > > > regards, Mark> > > > > > > > --------------------> > > > > > > > Sorry I didn't post all the information I should've. > Justin's > > > email is> > > > Justin.McMahon _at_ emerson.com I gave him the part > > > information below that someone> > > > else had posted and a couple of pictures of the gearbox > and > > > the "Leroy Somer> > > > MINIBIOC MVA-MEVA Installation and maintenance" PDF file. > You > > > might also> > > > reference his exchange with me (Mark Hayden).> > > > > > > > regards, Mark> > > > > > > > Manufacturer: LS Leroy Somer> > > > Made in France> > > > 6015 Angoulene> > > > Reducteur N 0256889> > > > Type MVA M33C> > > > Rduction 1/60> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of > kimberlite> > > > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 5:29 PM> > > > > To: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul > gear > > > box part number> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark,> > > > > > > > > > Please put in touch with the distributor who could > handle > > > the gearbox order.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > Eric> > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:amelyachtowners@...> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Mark> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:57 AM> > > > > To: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear > box > > > part number> > > > > > > > > > I finally reached someone in the US who is responsive > and > > > appears to be able> > > > > to source the gearbox. I haven't actually ordered yet as > we > > > are overseas and> > > > > need to figure out timing etc.> > > > > > > > > > --Mark> > > > > > > > > > __________________________> > > > > > > > > > Mark,> > > > > > > > > > The gearbox is available. Pricing is $521 ea. FCA > > > Charleston, SC and> > > > > delivery time is about 8 weeks.> > > > > > > > > > The product would be available from the factory in > France in > > > 4 weeks if you> > > > > wanted to air freight the item. It normally costs about > > > $3.50 per kg.> > > > > > > > > > If you want to proceed with an order, I can put you in > touch > > > with one of our> > > > > distributors.> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > > Justin T. McMahon | Sales & Marketing Manager> > > > > > > > > > Leroy Somer Power & Drives - NA> > > > > 8100 W. Florissant Ave. | St. Louis MO 63136 | USA> > > > > T 314.553.2380 | F 314.553.3403> > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > , "Judy and Bill > > > aboard SV BeBe"> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Eric,> > > > > > > > > > > > Check the photo at> > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/834685605/pic/315> > 936164/view?picmode=> > > > > > > > > > 5936164/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>> > > > &mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc> > > > > > > > > > > > This should give you all you need for the part.> > > > > > > > > > > > Bill> > > > > > BeBe> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > , kimberlite > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bill,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the alternator division of Emerson electric > that > > > handles Leroy> > > > > > > Somer.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I called the number they said that they do not > > > handle the> > > > > gearboxes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any other info?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fair Winds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > ] On Behalf Of > > > Judy and Bill> > > > > aboard> > > > > > > SV BeBe> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:49 PM> > > > > > > To: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul > gear > > > box part number> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here it is...my first email was sent to gears-> > > usa"at"leroy-somer.com...I> > > > > got> > > > > > > the response from:TechServices.PTSolutions"at"emerson.com> > > > > > > ___________________________> > > > > > > from TechServices.PTSolutions"at"emerson.com> > > > > > > to brouse@ > > > > > > > date Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:18 PM> > > > > > > subject RE: RFQ> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good day.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the number of Leroy Somer for direct contact > on > > > this reducer.> > > > > > > 7319673000. Thank you. Have a great weekend.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tech > > > > > > > ____________________________________________> > > > > > > From: svbebe@ > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:05 AM> > > > > > > To: gears-usa"at"leroy-somer.com> > > > > > > Subject: RFQ> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Availability and price of gearbox number 102014 - > see > > > attached photo> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles W Bill Rouse> > > > > > > Yacht BeBe> > > > > > > 3919 Ruskin St.> > > > > > > Houston, TX 77005> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kimberlite > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlite@] > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:48 PM> > > > > > > > To: 'kimberlite'> > > > > > > > Subject: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I called the phone number and they have no info on > the > > > gearbox.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you please email me your correspondence with them.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fair Winds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric and all,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Leroy Somer gear reduction gearbox is part > number > > > 102014. It can> > > > > be> > > > > > > > ordered from Leroy Somer at the US phone 731-967-> 3000. > > > I got this> > > > > > > > information from gears-usa"at"leroy-somer.com. > They > > > told me via email> > > > > that> > > > > > > > it was available.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not called the number for a price because I > am > > > in Greece now.> > > > > Let> > > > > > > me> > > > > > > > know if this works out for you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill> > > > > > > > BeBe SM2k, #387> > > > > > > > Currently Sounion, Greece> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > kimberlite > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am also looking for a gearbox for this motor.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a good contact?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fair Winds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ] On Behalf > > > Of Mark> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 6:27 AM> > > > > > > > > To: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like quite a few people are tackling > the > > > problems servicing> > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > outhaul gearboxes. I happened to notice the > other > > > day that the top> > > > > lip> > > > > > > > seal> > > > > > > > > was shot on mine and started on a two day > project to > > > disassemble the> > > > > > > > > gearbox.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried just about everything to get the inner > shaft > > > removed, except> > > > > > > > > "getting medieval with a sledge hammer" as one > of > > > the other owners> > > > > > > > > demonstrated. After bending several 8mm steel > > > brackets and breaking> > > > > my> > > > > > > > > puller tool, we finally succeeded with a 20mm > thick > > > steal bracket> > > > > that> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > fabricated for the purpose. The nice thing about > the > > > approach that> > > > > > > finally> > > > > > > > > succeeded for us was that all the force was > placed > > > on the outer> > > > > shaft of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > gearbox, none on the boom or the other > components of > > > the gearbox.> > > > > I'll> > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > a picture when I have a chance.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found the model information posted by one of > the > > > other owners> > > > > here:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manufacturer: LS Leroy Somer> > > > > > > > > Made in France> > > > > > > > > 6015 Angoulene> > > > > > > > > Reducteur N 0256889> > > > > > > > > Type MVA M33C> > > > > > > > > Rduction 1/60> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not been able to reach Leroy Somer via > their > > > contact page.> > > > > Can> > > > > > > > anyone> > > > > > > > > recommend a reliable and inexpensive source to > order > > > the gearbox or> > > > > > > parts> > > > > > > > > from? Any pricing info?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other question: it seems that the outhaul > > > gearbox causes more> > > > > > > problems> > > > > > > > > than the main sail furling gearbox. Is that > right? > > > Is the latter> > > > > just> > > > > > > less> > > > > > > > > exposed to the elements?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, Mark> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SM331> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >


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