I forgot your last question  all i can remember was that the FedEx as $149- to leroy and then FedEx to me in the USA.e----- Original Message -----From: stephreg Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 4:49 pmSubject: Re: [Amel] Out-haul gearbox for SM2KTo: amelyachtowners@...> > > > Eric,> > Wow! That was fast. Thank you. A couple of questions:> > When you say "they ordered the parts", are you referring to Amel > or Leroy Somer? Also, the reference to "roller bearings" is > confusing as I did not find any roller bearings in my assembly. > Are you referring to the sealed bearing assembly (which I think > are ball bearings) or is it possible that you have a newer > version of the gear box?> > If you get a chance to post the drawings, I would appreciate > being able to see them.> > As to the sledge hammer, I was referring to using it to > disassemble the bearings and bronze wheel from the inner shaft > on which they are mounted. Bronze may not react as well to the > hammer approach. Although seating the new wheel with a hammer > may not require as much force since you can clean and lubricate > the shaft prior to reassembly and reassembly is the point where > you care the most about not hurting the parts. So maybe the > hammer works.> > Regardless, the alternative to taking the boom off and using the > hammer is illustrated by Ipanema in the photo section. This I > have done and can report that it is quick, easy and works under > the worst corrosion conditions. It also avoids disassembly of > boom from mast. It does, however, require the fabrication of the > "gear puller" that Ipanema illustrates. Mine is simpler and > uses slightly thinner stock, but the idea is the same. Thank > you Ipanema for sharing.> > And while we are thanking people for sharing, Eric, your > suggestion of using anti seize compound is a great idea and > applies to several other bits of the Amel that are subject to > corrosion like the sheave on the line handler for the genoa car. > > > By the way, when your new gearbox came, was it the Amel version > (s/s bolts, white paint) or a "stock version"?> > Finally, do you recall the price of this unit?> > Fair winds and following seas,> > Stephan> > > > --- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite@... wrote:> >> > Hi,> > on my sm #376 the gearbox is number gz158600.> > They ordered the parts for me from France and it arrived via > fedex--expensive but fast.> > Justin told me that the reason I did not receive the roller > bearings was that Amel assembled the gearbox.> > I have photos of the gearbox parts and a parts drawing of the > box. Unfortunately, i can not post them from where I am at this time.> > > > With respect to a frozen outhaul shaft, i am quite good > mechanically, and besides taking the boom off and bringing it to > a machine shop with a press, ansledge hammer works perfectly fine.> > There are some photos on this subject in the Kimberlite section.> > > > All that has to be done is to remove the boom and turn it > upside down on the deck supporting it with numerous heavy > boards. The trick is to install a grade 10 (black) machine bolt > and screw it all the way into the shaft. a few hits with a large > sledge hammer will remove the shaft quickly without causing any > damage.> > > If you use any other grade bolt it will bend. The grade 10 > bolts are also great to use on the autoprop prop puller as the > stainless ones supplied will break if the prop is really stuck.> > > > Now before making any salty passage we remove the shaft and > smear it anti seize compound-now it always comes out easily.> > Fair Winds,> > eric> > sm376> > > > ----- Original Message -----> > From: stephreg > > Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 1:50 pm> > Subject: [Amel] Out-haul gearbox for SM2K> > To: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all SM and SMM owners:> > > > > > To revisit the subject of the out-haul gearbox and update > > > details, I called Leroy Somer in the USA and spoke with > Mathieu > > > Herieau who told me:> > > > > > 1. Justin is no longer in this position, he has transferred > > > elsewhere within the Emerson Electric group. > > > > > > 2. The gearbox number within Leroy Somer is MVA M33C with a > > > ratio of 60. Mathieu told me that the number "102014" is not > a > > > number used within Leroy Somer. The part is manufactured in > > > France and distributed in the US by someone in South > Carolina. > > > I will update the contact details after Mathieu responds to > my > > > inquiry so you can contact the right person directly.> > > > > > 3. The bronze gear, which is the gear that will take the > > > majority of wear (after seals and bearings), is handled by > LM > > > Electric in Montreal. I have not contacted them yet, but > will > > > provide contact details if they are willing to source the part.> > > > > > 4. Amel's last purchase of the gearbox appears to be a batch > in > > > 2006. I have not contacted Amel to see if they have any > > > remaining in stock.> > > > > > 5. However, Amel purchased a batch of the bronze gears > (Mathieu > > > called them "wheels") in 2012. Again, I have not contacted > Amel > > > about current inventory.> > > > > > 6. Mathieu, while looking at the computer notes, observed > that > > > Amel had certain modifications to the stock gearbox made: > > > stainless bolts to close the case, special paint on the > housing, > > > an adaptation for the connection to the electric motor. The > > > adaptation to the connection to the electric motor is the > only > > > issue I see to using the stock gearbox. Replacing the bolts > > > with stainless is straightforward as is applying suitable > paint. > > > > > > > > > On reflecting on this information and talking with my local > > > machine shop, I believe that it would be easier and possibly > > > cheaper to overhaul the existing gearbox rather than > replacing > > > it, which would require separating the gearbox from the > motor. > > > > > > If the bronze wheel can be sourced, then the bearings and > seals > > > are standard industrial items. The only other serious wear > item > > > is the top half of the case, which tends to corrode from > salt > > > water sitting on the top around the seal. After significant > > > corrosion, the seal will no longer seat properly. A poorly > > > seated seal simply accelerates downstream problems from salt-> > > water intrusion.> > > > > > If one has the parts, any half-way competent machine shop > can > > > disassemble the box, pull the seals, bearings and bronze > wheel, > > > replace same, and reassemble. In fact, an Amel owner could > > > probably accomplish the same with access to a gear puller to > > > take stuff apart and a press to put it together. Given that > the > > > key to a successful overhaul is the bronze wheel, however, I > > > would think that using the sledge hammer (recommended by > some > > > for removing the output shaft from the gear box), is a less > than > > > elegant solution.> > > > > > If you have the gear box in pieces, this would be a good > time to > > > add some grease ports. Posts elsewhere discuss this.> > > > > > Finally, inspection of the bronze wheel shows just how much > wear > > > it takes when one does not relieve the load on the main sail > > > before furling or unfurling the sail. I would think that you > > > could get several decades of service from the gearbox if the > > > sail was never furled or unfurled under load and the gearbox > > > were splashed with fresh water after every sail. The ease of > > > pushing a button has removed the feedback loop so we never > > > really appreciate how much our equipment works.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Stephan (secretly-wants-to-be-a-machinist-himself) Regulinski> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@..., "Mark" > > > wrote:>> > > > Hi Eric,> > > > > > > > I've pasted below msg 8933, which I think has the > information > > > you are looking for.> > > > > > > > regards, Mark> > > > > > > > --------------------> > > > > > > > Sorry I didn't post all the information I should've. > Justin's > > > email is> > > > Justin.McMahon _at_ emerson.com I gave him the part > > > information below that someone> > > > else had posted and a couple of pictures of the gearbox > and > > > the "Leroy Somer> > > > MINIBIOC MVA-MEVA Installation and maintenance" PDF file. > You > > > might also> > > > reference his exchange with me (Mark Hayden).> > > > > > > > regards, Mark> > > > > > > > Manufacturer: LS Leroy Somer> > > > Made in France> > > > 6015 Angoulene> > > > Reducteur N 0256889> > > > Type MVA M33C> > > > Rduction 1/60> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@..., kimberlite > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of > kimberlite> > > > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 5:29 PM> > > > > To: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul > gear > > > box part number> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark,> > > > > > > > > > Please put in touch with the distributor who could > handle > > > the gearbox order.> > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > Eric> > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:amelyachtowners@...> > > > > ] On Behalf Of Mark> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:57 AM> > > > > To: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear > box > > > part number> > > > > > > > > > I finally reached someone in the US who is responsive > and > > > appears to be able> > > > > to source the gearbox. I haven't actually ordered yet as > we > > > are overseas and> > > > > need to figure out timing etc.> > > > > > > > > > --Mark> > > > > > > > > > __________________________> > > > > > > > > > Mark,> > > > > > > > > > The gearbox is available. Pricing is $521 ea. FCA > > > Charleston, SC and> > > > > delivery time is about 8 weeks.> > > > > > > > > > The product would be available from the factory in > France in > > > 4 weeks if you> > > > > wanted to air freight the item. It normally costs about > > > $3.50 per kg.> > > > > > > > > > If you want to proceed with an order, I can put you in > touch > > > with one of our> > > > > distributors.> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > > Justin T. McMahon | Sales & Marketing Manager> > > > > > > > > > Leroy Somer Power & Drives - NA> > > > > 8100 W. Florissant Ave. | St. Louis MO 63136 | USA> > > > > T 314.553.2380 | F 314.553.3403> > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > , "Judy and Bill > > > aboard SV BeBe"> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Eric,> > > > > > > > > > > > Check the photo at> > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/834685605/pic/315> > 936164/view?picmode=> > > > > > > > > > 5936164/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>> > > > &mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc> > > > > > > > > > > > This should give you all you need for the part.> > > > > > > > > > > > Bill> > > > > > BeBe> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > , kimberlite > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bill,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the alternator division of Emerson electric > that > > > handles Leroy> > > > > > > Somer.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I called the number they said that they do not > > > handle the> > > > > gearboxes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have any other info?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fair Winds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > ] On Behalf Of > > > Judy and Bill> > > > > aboard> > > > > > > SV BeBe> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 11:49 PM> > > > > > > To: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Amel] Re: FW: : Leroy sommers- out haul > gear > > > box part number> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here it is...my first email was sent to gears-> > > usa"at"leroy-somer.com...I> > > > > got> > > > > > > the response from:TechServices.PTSolutions"at"emerson.com> > > > > > > ___________________________> > > > > > > from TechServices.PTSolutions"at"emerson.com> > > > > > > to brouse@ > > > > > > > date Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:18 PM> > > > > > > subject RE: RFQ> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good day.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is the number of Leroy Somer for direct contact > on > > > this reducer.> > > > > > > 7319673000. Thank you. Have a great weekend.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tech > > > > > > > ____________________________________________> > > > > > > From: svbebe@ > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:05 AM> > > > > > > To: gears-usa"at"leroy-somer.com> > > > > > > Subject: RFQ> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Availability and price of gearbox number 102014 - > see > > > attached photo> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Charles W Bill Rouse> > > > > > > Yacht BeBe> > > > > > > 3919 Ruskin St.> > > > > > > Houston, TX 77005> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kimberlite > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: kimberlite [mailto:kimberlite@] > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:48 PM> > > > > > > > To: 'kimberlite'> > > > > > > > Subject: : Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I called the phone number and they have no info on > the > > > gearbox.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you please email me your correspondence with them.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fair Winds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric and all,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Leroy Somer gear reduction gearbox is part > number > > > 102014. It can> > > > > be> > > > > > > > ordered from Leroy Somer at the US phone 731-967-> 3000. > > > I got this> > > > > > > > information from gears-usa"at"leroy-somer.com. > They > > > told me via email> > > > > that> > > > > > > > it was available.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not called the number for a price because I > am > > > in Greece now.> > > > > Let> > > > > > > me> > > > > > > > know if this works out for you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill> > > > > > > > BeBe SM2k, #387> > > > > > > > Currently Sounion, Greece> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > kimberlite > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I am also looking for a gearbox for this motor.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have a good contact?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fair Winds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ] On Behalf > > > Of Mark> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 6:27 AM> > > > > > > > > To: amelyachtowners@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Leroy sommers- out haul gear box part number> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like quite a few people are tackling > the > > > problems servicing> > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > outhaul gearboxes. I happened to notice the > other > > > day that the top> > > > > lip> > > > > > > > seal> > > > > > > > > was shot on mine and started on a two day > project to > > > disassemble the> > > > > > > > > gearbox.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried just about everything to get the inner > shaft > > > removed, except> > > > > > > > > "getting medieval with a sledge hammer" as one > of > > > the other owners> > > > > > > > > demonstrated. After bending several 8mm steel > > > brackets and breaking> > > > > my> > > > > > > > > puller tool, we finally succeeded with a 20mm > thick > > > steal bracket> > > > > that> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > fabricated for the purpose. The nice thing about > the > > > approach that> > > > > > > finally> > > > > > > > > succeeded for us was that all the force was > placed > > > on the outer> > > > > shaft of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > gearbox, none on the boom or the other > components of > > > the gearbox.> > > > > I'll> > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > a picture when I have a chance.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found the model information posted by one of > the > > > other owners> > > > > here:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manufacturer: LS Leroy Somer> > > > > > > > > Made in France> > > > > > > > > 6015 Angoulene> > > > > > > > > Reducteur N 0256889> > > > > > > > > Type MVA M33C> > > > > > > > > Rduction 1/60> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not been able to reach Leroy Somer via > their > > > contact page.> > > > > Can> > > > > > > > anyone> > > > > > > > > recommend a reliable and inexpensive source to > order > > > the gearbox or> > > > > > > parts> > > > > > > > > from? Any pricing info?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other question: it seems that the outhaul > > > gearbox causes more> > > > > > > problems> > > > > > > > > than the main sail furling gearbox. Is that > right? > > > Is the latter> > > > > just> > > > > > > less> > > > > > > > > exposed to the elements?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, Mark> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SM331> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> >> > >