Re: [Amel] Danny-Staysail


Alan Leslie
 

Hi Eric,

I just posted 2 pics in a new folder called Elyse.

Elyse has a furler on an inner forestay that was installed at the factory.

The deck fitting is through bolted to a massive 12mm thick stainless plate that runs under the foredeck and under the bow fitting...all bolted together.

The furler you can see is a manual and the mast attachment is just above the second spreader...there are running backstays (dyneema) attached to tangs at the same level coming down to a block and then polyester 2:1 lead off to the secondary winches in the cockpit. They're stowed with a block and tackle to the chain plates when not used.

The sail itself is a reasonably heavy jib with no overlap. It can be sheeted inside the shrouds with a snatch block attached to the chain plates and the sheet then run through the genoa blocks on the traveller.

It works well and is infinitely more secure and strong than the "tied to the cleat" forestay versions I've seen.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

At the factory they called that the mizzen ballooner.

I thought you had a staysail running forward of the main mast.

Fair Winds

Eric





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 1:11 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Danny-Staysail





Hi Eric,
The stay-sail halyard goes to the top of the mizzen mast. The tack of the
sail is secures to a ring bolt in the deck about 600mm ahead of the
windscreen. The tack of the sail is secured to about 1m (3 feet) of rope
that shackles to the ring bolt. The sail is contained in a bag out of the
bottom of which comes the staysail tack line. This means that the bag stays
on the deck when it is flying and is easy to return the sail to the bag when
dropping. Between the last two life line stanchions aft on the rail there is
a ring bolt. We attach a block to that that the sheet passes out side the
rail and then through the block, and then through a block atached to the
next stanchion forard and then to the small sheet winch on the cockpit
coming. Our stay sail is a similar material to the headsail balooner.
To hoist. Run the sheet through its blocks and over the mainsheet. Secure
the halyard and sheet to the hoist and clew respectively. Haul the halyard
before sheeting in other wise it is too hard to hoist. Once fully hoisted
sheet in. When hoisting have the main well out and adjust it appropriately
later.
To drop. One person on the deck by the tack to gather, another on the
halyard (with its tail secured). Leave the sheet on (very important if you
want a trouble free drop) and just let the halyard fly, totally free. The
deck person as the load comes off the sail gathers and once half in begin
stufing into bag. At this time and no sooner release the sheet.
Our stay sail was made by the US company Mack Sails.
You can use the staysail from 90 degrees apparent (light winds only) through
to 110 degrees apparent.(This can be as much as 130 true)The stronger the
wind the further aft the apparent wind angle can be. With reaching sails we
must always use apparent wind angles as this can be a lot further forward
than true.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently arrived Vuda Point marina Fiji



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From: Sailorman <kimberlite@...
<mailto:kimberlite%40optonline.net> >
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013 4:26 PM
Subject: [Amel] Danny-Staysail


Hi Danny,

You mention you have a staysail.

How is it rigged.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Danny and
Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:09 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Wind vane

Hi Bob, good to see your name popping up on the site. Happy memories of your
kindness to strangers when we met at Oyster Bay in 2009.
Recently spent some time with Cameron Murray in Opua.
As to wind vane. Totally unessesary I believe. We have a Raymarine auto
pilot with a steer to wind option. We just did a run from NZ to Fiji in 10
to 20 knot winds on a broad reach.(max was 27) Most of the way we carried 4
sails (Headsail, main, mizzen staysail, mizzen) Only reduced if conditions
became or threatened to be squally. All the way we had the pilot on wind
steer. Wonderfull. The wind direction oscilated off the mean by up to 20
degrees either side. The boat just followed the wind, no trimming needed and
then the oscilation brought her back to the average course we needed. The
beaty of off shore sailing is the distances are so great you can wait for
the wind to shift, and it will to a surprising degree, and you do not have
to pendantically hold to a course. Any way we are sold on the wind steer
option. One night a squall came through with a 90 degree shift and the boat
just followed it, no back winding or gybes. Marvelous. Had all the time
in the world to sort it out.
The trip took us 7 days, the wind was just a bit far aft of the beam for
best speed, particularly when it was only 10 knots.
On other voyages we have found the steer to wind just as effective on all
points of sailing, including to windward. (to windward you need to lay off
slightly to give it time to respond before the wind get too close to the
eye.)
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Currently arrived Vuda Point Marina Fiji

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From: minaxi53 <mailto:bob%40bourlet.com <mailto:bob%40bourlet.com> >
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2013 5:23 AM
Subject: [Amel] Wind vane

Has any SM owner fitted a windvane for ocean passages? If so what make?
I am considering making this addition before my next passage but have heard
some reports that certain boats do not respond well to either Hydrvane or
Monitor systems. Thoughts?
Bob
s/v Minaxi sm6

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