Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?


Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

I am going to respond to this as though I am your very good friend. I am your very good friend, but maybe you will think differently after you read what I have written.

Unfortunately, I believe that all insurance companies will look to spread the blame in a collision situation. It is the way they operate. I had a SunSail catamaran hit the bow of BeBe when I was berthed at a marina in Turkey. He bent the curved piece of stainless that goes over the top of the anchor...easy repair. He did much more damage to the boat berthed next to BeBe. When the SunSail representative and the insurance surveyor visited us, we were told that it was not covered by the insurance the charter customer purchased because the insurance surveyor determined that it was caused by negligence on the part of the charter customer. The charter customer told me and the boat owner berthed next to us that he would take care of it. That was a year ago...nothing!

I cannot tell you what to do, but cancelling, and going to another insurer may be the worse choice, and a lawsuit against an insurance company would be even worse. I am sure that you can find a lawyer to take the case, but in the long run, I believe that only the lawyer will come out ahead. I am certain that the marine underwriters have a method of communication among themselves, so be careful in your next decisions.

You might ask, what is your blame? I am betting that in the opinion of the offender's insurance company, your 16 meter boat was assigned a slip that does not accommodate 16 meters "safely." And, I am sure that you were in the berth that was assigned to you by the marina. If not that reason, then you were not "properly standing watch," or did not "properly warn the offender of the impeding collision."

The bottom line is I do not think that you can win...BUT...you may be able to come out of this with completed satisfactory repairs and replacements without too much expense. Your insurance company is in the process of negotiating with the offender's insurance company on your behalf. Remember, it certainly is not your insurance company's fault that all this happened. Possibly you could admit to a small percentage of fault as long as the repairs that are agreed to are 100% satisfactory. It is not right, but, unfortunately it is life in our world, AND, at least you will get something while many of us get nothing.

I hope that we are still friends.

Bill
BeBe, #387



On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Richard,

Thanks for your reply regarding the bilge pump.

Regarding Pantaenius, I don't want to write much at the moment as I am waiting for legal advice and am about to do 2 law suit, but Pantaenius is representing the boat that lost control and hit me (while I was in my slip in the marina) destroying the bow pulpit last July and are contesting responsibility (to more than 50%) for their client. I understand as the longer they make things last the more they keep their money, and at some point they hope I will give up.

So may be the are the best, but they are ruthless… They are definitely very good at not paying… and I wonder if the claim was on "their" client side, how they would act tower him or her… I would guess probably "the same", so if you have that insurance think twice…

My insurance DeLassee, being European is unfortunately "weak" wants an "amicable" solution (meaning me accepting some responsibility), but there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I can accept to be responsible for even 1% when I am hit in my marina slip by someone that panic and put full reverse (admitted in public).

And by the way, my premium already increased 15% because I have a "Claim", but absolutely no repair have been done!!! Scandalous!!! DeLassee should be ahsame.

Reply from DeLasee: "We told you to stay away from American water".
My reply, the "Bahamas" is not part of the United States, it has been independent for 41 year from the "United Kingdom".
The only "american" thing is the insurance of the boat that hit me. This could have happened anywhere.
Mr DeLAssee did not reply. I like to say: Better not reply anything and let people think you're an idiot rather than open your mouth and confirm it…

I must stop now, as I am getting seriously upset, once I get the legal advice I am waiting for, I will write the complete story and people can make their own decision.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
In repair Fort Lauderdale, USA.

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On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard03801 richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of business?
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 10:38 AM


 









Hi it's a waist water pump in fact a
similar to that used by Amel. Regarding the
insurance might want to call SCOTT STUSEKMarketing and
Sales Director +1 (914) 217-7991PANTAENIUS
AMERICA LTD in Annapolis they are one of the best world
wide. 
Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To
All
Capt
Richard RP Yacht

BrokerageNewport
RI We list sell and service fine
yachts including Amel's
Cell 603 767
5330
On Jan 4,
2015, at 11:01, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Good morning Richard,



Just out of curiosity, I was looking at the Whale Gulper
Grouper Pump BP4574 you mentioned and it seems to be a
"fish box" waste pump.

Do you think in case of problem the insurance won't try
to argue and find excuse to not pay a claim?

I am asking because the captain that deliver my boat 2 years
ago, replaced mine with a "waste water" and since
I have been pretty disgusted with my insurance (Delassee)…
(I am waiting before writing anything on the forum about
this issue).



I have also talked to people where insurance used excuses
(not related to anything) like 1 person had things stolen in
his boat (while in storage).

The insurer ask if he removed the batteries. Reply: NO.
(and why ask because the batteries were not stolen, nor was
the boat) but the insurance refuse to reimburse because
batteries where still there.

When ask to show where this was written on the contract
(was not showing anywhere) the insurance stand still… And
I am having a similar problem…



So just being on the cautious side, would hate to use a pump
not use for this purpose and end up without coverage…



Any opinion?



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

repair in Fort Lauderdale, USA



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On Sun, 1/4/15, Richard Piller richard03801@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation -
AMFA out of business?

To: "amelyachtowners@..."
<amelyachtowners@...>

Date: Sunday, January 4, 2015, 8:10 AM





 



















Hi Eric,

the pump we successfully used is a Whale Gulper Grouper
Pump



BP4574.  24 volt mounted on a plastic board on the

bulkhead.  We need a

hose to use a hose adapter to make it all work. We used
the

Amel switch

and it worked very well for years.

All the best for the new

year.Richard Piller









From: "sailormon

kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]"

<amelyachtowners@...>



To:

amelyachtowners@...


Sent: Sunday, January

4, 2015 4:36 AM

Subject: RE: [Amel

Yacht Owners] Bilge pump recommendation - AMFA out of

business?





 



















Richard,What model pump is

this?Fair

WindsEricKimberlite SM

376

 

 



From: amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]


Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:29

PM

To:

amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bilge

pump recommendation - AMFA out of

business?    Alex we used a high capacity

Whale diagram 24v pump. 



Fair Winds Smooth Sailing To AllCapt

Richard RP Yacht

BrokerageNewport

RI We

list sell and service fine yachts including

Amel'sCell 603 767

5330

On Dec 31,

2014, at 13:30, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:  Good morning,



Had a bilge pump failure… so

went to a store to ask for rebuilt kit and they told me
AMFA

was out of business…



Can

anyone confirm that?



Also,

does anyone has recommendation as a quality bilge pump

replacement?



Thanks in

advance, sincerely, Alexandre



SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

In Fort

Lauderdale for repair.













































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