Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Head pump

georges pellegrini <dji314@...>

Yes, I have it on my Santorin. Installed by the factory.
Georges Pellegrini. Santorin #132

On Sep 19, 2006, at 6:43 PM, joemac4sail wrote:

Hi All
Has anyone retrofitted in a Satorin, a simiar designed holding
tank to the one fitted in the SM2000. I was impressed with >the
simplicity of the design with the tank sitting over the outlet >valve.
Joe McDonnell, Khamsin B

--- In, "Willem J. Kroes"
<willem.j.kroes@...> wrote:

I had the same problem this year, but for the first time in 4 years,
afther having replaced both toilets on my Santorin 1992 (with
standard Jabsco's).
I changed the joker valve, and this cured the problem, in any case
for the rest of the season. But, when looking at the failing valve
(new in 2002), I noticed that there was a little bit of play between
the two rubber lips in crossed position. There is another (older)
type of joker valve used in the original R&M toilets, Amel fitted in
the early SM's and Santorins 15 years ago, with just one horizontal
lip. I suppose this type of joker valve will withstand the backflow
pressure better than the new type.

Best Regards,

Willem J. Kroes
Amel Santorin #69

--- In, "Udo J. Reich" udo@

We have the same problem with our forward tank. I see two
solutions. One is
a one way valve as Gary has suggested. The other one would be to
refit the
tank so that the inflow from the bowl goes into the tank towards
the top of
the tank. Let me know if you come up with any solutions

Udo J. Reich


From: amelliahona []
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Head pump

Mike Ondra wrote:
" We are persistently getting backflow of waste water through the
back into the toilet bowl, enough sometimes to fill the bowl.
Besides being
unpleasant at anchor, this can be a mess under sail."

Ian Shepherd wrote:
" I have always had the same problem with the forward head only. I
changed the joker valve several times, but it makes little

Hi Mike and Ian:

I have had the same problem with the forward head only. I
thought it was water siphoning from the fill pump side but I shut
the sea water supply valve while under sail and the toilet bowl
with foul water anyway. It was only to a certain level and never
overflow the bowl so I think it was just the back flow through the
joker valve of the outflow pipe to the holding tank. Ian, like you
changing the joker valve several times and that DID NOT remedy the
situation. Also it does this with the holding tank empty or
full so
don't think it is related to the mode of entry of the outflow pipe
into the holding tank.

I suspect that the joker vavle does not have enough strength to
withstand the pressure head of water that is in the forward head
outflow pipe. As you know this pipe is taller than the aft head
and thus would have a higher head of pressure. Perhaps
installing a
more robust one way valve in the outflow pipe could be a solution.
I plan to research this a bit more. Nice to know that I am not the
only one out here with this problem. Joel, do you have any
on this issue?

Kindest regards, Gary Silver S/V Liahona

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