Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu Survey
Eric Colegrove <ecole2020@...>
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Aware there will be tax, i.e. ad velorum tax. Same situation with a car. In Georgia, buy a car casual sale (no dealer), no sales tax due. Buy from a dealer, must pay sales tax. It has not always been that way. Few years back, Georgia tried to figure a way to collect sales tax on private sales. From memory, it lasted a few years before they changed the law back recently. But you DO get hosed on ad velorum tax when one registers a vessel.
Here is what my high school buddy, who works for ga dept of revenue said it is just like a car sale:
"As long as it's owned by an individual and not legally owned by a company, it's a casual sale and no sales tax is due. If legally owned by a company, you would owe use tax (same % as sales tax). As far as ad valorum, it would depend on the assessed value (40% of fair market) times your mil rate for that county."
I'm hoping he is right. I would expect so since he is pretty high up in the ranks. It is a like/hate friendship with him. LOL.
Here is what I found most recently:
Rule 560-12-1-.07. Casual Sale
Seller got ready to employ a broker. When I found this information and told him my offer just went down by $8,400, he fired the broker and it was a private party "casual" sale. This is all wonderful information. When I get the bill, we will find out how it all goes down, right? LOL>
On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:24 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
Congrats and welcome to the group.
Saved $8,400 in sales tax in GA because it is a "casual sale".
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I think you need to revisit the GA sales and use tax. If the boat remains in GA for more than 60 days it will require a state registration. At this time you will need to prove you have paid tax on the vessel to GA or receive credit for tax paid in another US state. It is the USE part of the sales and use tax. The state is 4% plus the county percentage (unless you resided in a state other than GA at the time of the purchase).
We lived in GA when we purchased Cream Puff and could not see a way around the tax. Cream Puff never went to GA. We too did a lot of research and sought professional advice on taxes. If you have any questions, I may be able to help.
Here is the GA explanation of the USE tax:
Watercraft imported into this state are subject to use tax at the rate of the county of delivery or first use. Credit will be granted for sales tax previously paid to another state against any use tax liability that may exist. When a watercraft has been used outside of this state for more than six months, use tax will be due on the purchase price or fair market value, whichever is lower. In addition, no tax is due on watercraft purchased outside of this state by persons not domiciled in this state but who subsequently become domiciled in this state and bring the watercraft into the state as a result of the change of domicile, as long as the watercraft is not brought into the state for use in a trade, business, or profession.
With best regards,
Super Maramu 2000
Currently cruising: Marsh Harbour – Abaco Islands - Bahamas
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu Survey
Thank you all. After survey, sea trial, negotiations, we have purchased s/v Deep Purple in Fajardo, PR. Survey uncovered nothing major. Bottom was inspected and tested for moisture. No blisters. Rig was inspected from top to bottom on both masts. Boat has an external Yachtthruster bow thruster. 2008 55 HP Yanmar repower. Electronics are good. Interior was spotless.
Transaction all occurred without a broker- private party. Saved $8,400 in sales tax in GA because it is a "casual sale". TONS of paperwork, phone calls, faxing, scanning and emailing, etc. A little bit of a hassle, but I'd do it all again to save that much money. Anyone considering purchasing w/o broker welcome to ask. Not as difficult as one might think. Obviously, CYA (cover your a**) is the order of the day. I had researched for 5 years and didn't want a buyers broker leading me towards boats I knew I didn't want.
Will sail her back to Georgia late March with crew and delivery captain. Yes, could keep in beautiful PR instead of salt marsh/ mud water Georgia coast. But I can't afford a plane ticket every time I want to tinker, and she will probably be safer in Georgia during hurricane season rather than PR.
My photos are not great. I will upload as soon as I get good ones.
s/v Deep Purple (soon to be renamed)
1982 Amel Maramu
You have received lots of good advice.
One more important piece of advice is to let this Group know the hull number, current name, and the location. With this information, you may get a worthwhile report from somebody familiar with the boat.
AND, possibly there is an Amel owner nearby who will inspect the boat with you. In most cases, an Amel owner will be much more valuable than a surveyor not familiar with Amels. I know of several recent pre-purchase inspections which the prospective buyers were accompanied by a current Amel owner...each of these that saved the buyers lots of $$$$'s.
Good luck, and listen to Joel Potter...he knows...period!
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Richard Piller richard03801@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi ck the bottom to be sure there are no blisters. Ck the keel to hull joint. Ck your chain hause pipe and the windlass. All of your standing rigging including at the top of the masts.
Capt Richard Piller