Great question. Two reasons, money is always an issue, and I believe the 64 is about twice the cost of a new 55. Plus or minus.
And more important, the 64 has the same sub-optimal layout as the 55. All the extra room seems to be for common areas, and if I'm not mistaken, the sea berth is absent, so you could even say it's less accommodating to long term guests who wish to have some private space.
So, being motivated just by the layout, I'm still looking at the 54 as ideal, and trying to evaluate the "value proposition" of the 55 so that it justifies the sacrifice of layout. I see no advantage to the 64, but maybe this learned group can help me. Frankly, I'm not really into spending that much on depreciating assets if I don't have to, and as a long term boat owner of all different types, I couldn't agree with you more about the maintenance costs be logarithmically larger as you increase LOA.
One of the ways I convinced my wife to do this was that becoming expats and not paying state income taxes for five years would offset the cost of the depreciation in the vessel, thereby making the trip "free." :):):) Not sure that quite works if I get a new 64. lol
From: "'Hanspeter.baettig' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
KenOnly my 1 cent input. Why you do not buy an Amel 64 , so as you said "looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages"As I understand you , you talk about 54, 55 etc. ( for me its a huge different of boats) so I assume money is not the main decision maker for you. I think buying a yacht is easy. Maintaining the boat ( you said you have a 5 years calender ??) Thats the real challange and money.
As I said, only my one cent inputHanspeterSM 16, Tamango 2
Von meinem iPad gesendet
Am 22.03.2016 um 13:24 schrieb Kenneth Olsen kennetholsen468@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
Bob -- thank you for this input. Very helpful.
Our plan is to have a stream of family and friends join us for large portions of trip. We have a 5 year calendar with one to two couples joining for most of it. I would agree with you about normally not having many guests, and perhaps our friends will bail when the time actually comes, but for us we are looking for a layout plan that can actually service 4-6 folks in comfort during passages.
Having said that, have you had any experience with the use of the forward cabin underway in weather?
Thanks in advance -- Ken.
From: "Bob Grey renaissanceiii@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
Guys, I seem to be the only owner of a 55 (now 18 months) on the post and although I can fault small things, mostly third party products, desalination, clima, B&G and wiring faults I can't fault the boat handling or Amels design compared to any other boat I looked at, I've sailed Renaissance in up to 45 knots and 5 meter sea cross the Tasman and Southern Australia, I also wanted to buy a 54 as its what sold me on the brand many years ago. When I was ready to buy it had been discontinued but I have not had one day of regret in my 55 purchase decision, I repeat not one day, I don't know any other brand of boat that would have given me this result.
I have read the complaints about the changes, my boat has accurate water and fuel gauges, dip sticks seem an idea as a backup but would probably never get used.
Fuel and water tank position, I keep my water tanks same level as fuel tank as I can run the delalinator daily when charging batteries to trim the boat.
Better headroom in the saloon and cabins but an extra step to the cockpit, give me headroom any day.
There is a huge cockpit seat locker on the port side as well as a small rope locker.
I agree the cockpit table is a pain but you get used to it.
I also had a rudder stock leak on my first really rough sea voyage but the alarm went off and half a turn on the nylon nut fixed it.
I do my own maintenance and think the engine room layout is superb for a cruising yacht. I don't have to remove anything to provide maintenance on another part.
My boat has a single aft cabin so most of the layout complaints seem to be for twin aft cabins, I'm not sure a lot of Amel owners want to fill their boat with people being the bunch of cranky older gentlemen and ladies Amel owners are, so those problems are resolved with a simple design selection.
Bob
Renaissance III
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On Tuesday, March 22, 2016, 00:08, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Thanks Bill,
I visited an Oyster at the Miami boat show and was beautiful inside, lots of beautiful finishing, but the engine room of the Amel are so much more accessible, spacious, etc.
Plus as you said, (from memory) the Oyster was 2.5 M$ while the Amel was 1.5M$).
If I was a boat builder I would explain every feature I do.
I did the web site for a Caliber (sailboat) dealer and I thought it was smart the manufacturer explains lots of their decision in why they did things a certain way to educate the buyers.
Anyway, I will post on later this week about the bow thruster.
Sincerely, Alexandre
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On Mon, 3/21/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, March 21, 2016, 9:11 AM
Alex,
I agree completely. And, I will add
that with the 55 Amel was attempting to compete outside the
small circle of very loyal Amel clients. As most of you
know, the majority of the 54's were sold to Amel
owners...most cases SM owners. I suspect the Amel management
realized that with the 54 they sold all of the SM owners
that were going to buy a 54 and they were not attracting new
buyers to Amel. To correct this, Amel made what appears to
us as a radical turn. It probably does not appear as radical
to outsiders.
Certainly when you compare a 55 to a
Oyster, they compare very favorably with the 55 being a
better Oyster, for almost half the price.
I believe the change at Amel was
probably needed, but I believe the execution of this change
in course was absolutely terrible. The management of Amel
did not have their sales team on-board with the changes and
did not do anything about that. Amel never answered the
public question: "Why a 55 and all of its features and
components?" Even their sales staff did not seem to
know the answer. The CEO should take all of the blame for
the extremely poor execution of a change in course at Amel.
He left the CEO position in 2014 and is currently the
Chairman of the Board of Directors. I do not know the
current CEO, Emmanuel Poujeade, but wish him the best with
Amel.
The 55 is a
beautiful boat and compares favorably with other brands. We
crossed the Atlantic with a 55 in close proximity (less than
50 miles) and arrived in Martinique a few hours behind the
55 and side-by-side with a Super Maramu that happened to be
a few hull numbers from BeBe 387. The 55 would have done
much better on the crossing, but the inexperienced crew had
difficulty rigging the downwind pole and had to jibe back
and forth rather than run downwind as we did. They also had
a serious rudder post leak that put a lot of water in the
rear compartment and ruined one of the autopilot drives. I
think Amel Caribe in Martinique took care of
this.
BillBeBe
387
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at
12:30 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
After Mr Amel passed away I think the company tried
to accommodate too much buyer idea of what their boat
“should” be, often these people making mistakes.
To me Amel have always been offshore cruisers. Elongating
the water line will make them faster, but less comfortable
in high sea.
I feel on the 54 they improved the bow thruster, add a
second windlass, stay sail, etc.
Bu didn’t like the cockpit table which now needs to be
moved up, to open the engine hatch.
Not fan of the layout as day guests need to go through cabin
to access the heads.
I feel the 54 is a descendant of the SM, Mango and Meltem.
But issues wit: masts that had to be reinforced, furlers on
earlier models, etc. make it short lived.
When I visited the 55, I was surprised how small
(proportionally) the engine room is compare to the boat.
Unless I am making mistake, some pump, equipment, etc. were
only accessible if other equipment were removed…
To me the 55 looks like the other Amel, but everything has
been moved…
What were they thinking relocating the water tank and
removing the water stick… to go faster?
Every person that visited my boat acknowledge how simply
brillant it was, same for the diesel dip stick.
plate moved inside, cockpit table even worst than the 54,
companionway 4th step, etc.
But if you haven’t experience these feature you won’t
miss them.
I am sure they are still very strong boats and I hope they
are successful for the company.
Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Private Slip, Marina Puerto Bahia, Samana, Dominican
Republic
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On Sun, 3/20/16, kennetholsen468@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 55 layout
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2016, 10:06 AM
One thing I find counter-intuitive
about the new 55 is the stateroom layout. I thought the
54
had the perfect layout, with aft owner's cabin and
two
guest cabins forward. The Amel 55 has the owners cabin
forward, which I have always found unusable in weather.
Can any owner of the 55 advise me on the usability of
the
owner's cabin in moderate to heavy seas? I
inspected
one in Newport and asked the Amel rep about this strange
change, and he could only shrug his shoulders implicitly
acknowledging the unique choice. Anyhow, wondering if
others have opinions on this. We are torn between an
Amel
54 and 55.
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