Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Degraded continuity


Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Kent,

I just changed my zinc (3 weeks ago), I scuba dove yesterday, they (thankfully) look good.
But crazy how the propeller (cleaned 2 weeks ago) was already starting to get dirty here…

Anyway, I will do as your describe. Very logical way to find a leak (if there is one). All clear.

I heard of not over zinc either, but keep the idea of the fish looking zinc. One of my neighbors on a steel sailboat has one.

Thanks so much for the detail explanation…
Alexandre



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On Tue, 8/30/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Degraded continuity
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 4:18 PM


 









Yes, it can matter, Alex.  If you are at
the dock and know that your zincs are intact, and you find a
higher potential (less negative voltage) for example -750mv,
I would first disconnect shore power and test again.  If it
is then -900 to -1050mv you are getting a voltage from the
dock or another nearby boat.  If it still reads -750mv, you
may have a DC current leak on your boat.  Turn everything
off, including all breakers and your main battery switches.
 If it then tests good, turn the breakers on one at a time
to see which one is causing the problem.  If, with all 24v
breakers off, it still reads -750mv, you could have a wiring
issue on the negative side.  That's a real PITA to
chase down.  I found a couple of miswirings, but could
never correct it completely (i.e. I still had continuity
between the bonding system and battery negative.  The
galvanic/electrolytic corrosion expert I hired said that he
didn't believe I had a current leak, and if I did it
might be impossible to find.  He thought I was just
under-zinc'd.  I found some 7 inch rudder zincs made by
Camp (better quality than Martyr and some other brands).  I
put them on the rudder and have been right at -950mv since
and the zincs seem to be lasting for a lot longer.  They
are barely eroded after 4 months.  I still hang a
"guppy" zinc (looks like a fish) over the side if
I'm going to be somewhere for more than a few days.
 This brings my hull potential up to -990mv and affords a
little more protection.I check hull potential
every time I drop anchor or tie up to a dock, or at least
once a month.
Is that clear?  If not
I'll try something else.Kent "Rusty"
"Patch"SM 243Kristy

Kent Robertsonkarkauai@...
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On Aug 30, 2016,
at 4:55 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Good afternoon Kent,



Glad you are joining this discussion, I just ordered it
(like I didn’t had enough part or tools onboard…)

I will definitely make sure to rinse it, etc.



So with this silver electrode I will be able to check in the
water.

Does it matter they are vessel around?



Thanks again!

Hope the eye is doing better…



Alexandre



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On Tue, 8/30/16, Kent Robertson karkauai@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Degraded continuity

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 3:43 PM





 



















That's the one I have, Alex.  Be sure

to rinse well in fresh water and allow to dry before
storing

it.  A booklet explaining its use comes with it.Kent



Kent Robertsonkarkauai@...

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On Aug 30, 2016,

at 3:46 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:

































 

















Thank you Erik,



I think I found it:



http://www.boatzincs.com/corrosion-reference-electrode-specs.html







Do you use it yourself?







Sincerely, Alexandre







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On Tue, 8/30/16, 'sailormon' kimberlite@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:







Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Degraded continuity



To: amelyachtowners@...



Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 12:44 PM











 







































The silver electrode is



available from boatzincs.com it is about

$120-



US.  Fair



WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super



Maramu #376  



 From: amelyachtowners@...



[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]





Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:34



PM



To:



amelyachtowners@...



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]



Degraded continuity    Alexandre, The number



900 refers to potential, which is also measured using a



multi meter , but you also have to have a silver
cathode

,



expensive. It would probably be best for you to have a



marine electrician perform that measurement  if you
are

not



familiar with multi meters . It would not take them
but

a



few minutes. Just measuring that you have continuity

, you



would just listen for the beep , the number will also

change



from 0 to 1 or 1 to 0 ,I cannot remember , just listen

for



the beep.Pat SM123







-----Original



Message-----



From: Alexandre Uster von Baar



uster@...



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>



To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>



Sent: Tue, Aug 30, 2016 11:39 am



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Degraded



continuity  Good morning Pat,







The way you describe it sounds



very simple… at the next haul it will do that and you



mentioned the number should be 900 (?)



Do



you have to check several items? quadrant then ground

copper



strap in the bilge or 1 is enough?







Thanks again.



Sincerely,



Alexandre







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On Tue, 8/30/16, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>



wrote:







Subject: Re: [Amel



Yacht Owners] Degraded continuity



To: amelyachtowners@...



Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 10:11 AM











 











































Alexandre, Its pretty simple,



take a wire



and clip it onto the quadrant



where the ground wires



connect , or to the



copper ground strap in the bilge , then



connect the wire to one side of a multi meter ,



say the



black lead and then place the red



lead on the zincs on your



rudder . You of



course have to set your meter to the



continuity setting , its simple , have someone



that knows



how to use a meter show you or



follow instructions provided



with your



meter.If you have continuity your meter will beep



and the numbers change. While its vital that



you have



continuity , as I have just



learned , that does not mean



that you have



adequate continuity. While you are in the



water you can have the potential checked which



gives you a



better picture of the state of



protection. Don't ask me



to explain



potential , I only have a foggy idea of what it



means and could not put it into words.







Hope this helps,







Pat SM123































-----Original



Message-----







From: Alexandre Uster von Baar



uster@...



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>







To: amelyachtowners



<amelyachtowners@...>







Sent: Tue, Aug 30, 2016 10:43



am







Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht



Owners] Degraded continuity











































 























































Good morning



Pat,























Thanks for



sharing the information.























Please forgive my ignorance,



but how do you measure the



continuity…











I hate to



admit it, I didn’t know about it when I did the



last haul out in March 2015, I then read on the



forum and



the owner manual.











And will



definitely want to do it next year.











But how do you do it?



(pictures rather than words would be



so



nice)…























I assume you can only do it on land.























Sincerely,



Alexandre











SM2K #289 NIKIMAT











Club Nautico de San Juan,



Puerto Rico























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On Tue,



8/30/16, sailw32@...



[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>



wrote:























Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Degraded



continuity











To: amelyachtowners@...











Date:



Tuesday, August 30, 2016, 7:51 AM



































 























































































































Before my boat went into back



into the











water yesterday , I checked for continuity



between the











copper strap and the zincs and I did have



continuity.



Later











, I had two marine



electricians on the boat and they



checked











the potential



from the quadrant and found it to be only



560











, they tell me that they would expect to see



about 900.



900











would insure that the zincs



are protecting the metal



parts











of the boat.



We can only speculate that the connection











between the



quadrant wire and the zincs have been degraded



.











There may not be enough contact between the



zinc bolt



and











the strap inside  the rudder



, it would only be the











threaded area of the bolt and the strap , and



stainless



is











not the best metal as a



conductor . Bottom line is that



I











need more



zinc protection/contact. They suggested that



we











install a large zinc on the hull with two



bronze bolts (











better conductivity )through the hull , wired



directly



to











the strap in the bilge. I am



writing this to inform the











group , that just because you



have continuity , does



not











mean that you



have adequate contact/protection.











Pat SM123



























































































































































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