W Porter McRoberts <portermcroberts@...>
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Awesome advice as usual!
And always appreciated. If and or when we bring this boat up i’d love to go sailing with you if possible.
Thank you amigo.
W. Porter McRoberts MD FAAPMR ABPMR ABA/Pain
Director Interventional Spine, Pain Medicine, Neurosurgery
Holy Cross Hospital
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Assistant Professor, University of Miami School of Medicine
On Feb 14, 2017, at 8:11 AM, 'Joel Potter' firstname.lastname@example.org [amelyachtowners] <email@example.com> wrote:
I do have a few other questions if you would bear them:
One windlass or 2?
The second windlass was optional equipment on the 54. As I have seen plenty of Amel 54’s at survey, where deficiencies are exposed, often a shiny/as new looking second windlass on deck was an oxidized inoperable hunk of scrap internally/below deck. Why? They seldom get used and inactivity is the worst thing for almost everything. If you have a second windlass, put it into rotation often and give it the exercise it requires. And test it hard at survey.
How much solar is enough, how much too much? Is there ever too much?
I have seen 54’s with 300 watts and one with 600 watts. While both should be considered supplemental, 300 watts is helpful and 600 watts really useful. The flat plate area of solar panels has to be carefully considered prior to installation to yield optimum output yet being able to be well secured when the weather is your enemy.
Is one autopilot enough or is a backup the way to go?
The second autopilot drive motor is an option. I equipped every 53 and 54 Amel I ever sold new with both and never had one complaint from any owner. It’s not just for redundancy, which can be enough reward in itself. Amel prototypes all optional equipment installations on these models and then goes through a rigorous testing program. It was discovered that when run 12 hours on/12 hours off ( running the one on the wheel steering rack in the galley at night so the one under your berth in the aft cabin wasn’t making electrical rodent imitations, and running the one under the aft berth during daylight to give the other one a rest ) made BOTH units last longer as they never got too hot, even when steering intensely in bad weather. Heat is a big enemy of electric motors. Use your infra red thermometer to check temps on units that have been working hard for 12 hours or more and you will see why two is better.
The plan is a 4 year circumnavigation. Maybe 7? Maybe 2.
The average for my clients who circumnavigated was a bit more than 7. Some people on a mission to get ‘er done screwed up the curve. I sold my brother a Maramu that did it in 18 months as Madame Admiral was ill whenever the anchor was up and secured but promised her husband when he retired , she would go around the world with him. He rewarded her by dropping dead the month they got home. He was a really cool and interesting retired Swiss air force pilot who simply had done everything on his bucket list. I can’t make this stuff up…
You guys are such a great crew and I really appreciate it
.And none of us have much of an opinion about nothin’
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
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On Feb 13, 2017, at 7:34 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com> [amelyachtowners] <firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com>> wrote:
Just my two pence worth, i sailed back from Rio to Cape Town on a Leopard 40 , hit 50kt wind/storm for 18hrs surfing down waves at some hairy speeds, and i was impressed how she came through the storm , but as others mentioned anything above 15kts and she was slamming all the time, it was nice have to have the space but i would rather have been on an Monohull like an Amel, the older Robertson and Caine Leopards are a lot stronger, before they recived the Moorings/ Sunsail contracts.
As everyone says it is a personal choice, make a list of pro's and con's , want's and need's and what you can afford and can't afford, it is not an easy decsion as we are still searching for our dream yacht and the goal posts keep moving.
But if you decide on a cat i suggest you look at the leopards.
South Africa is certianly value for money at the moment with the exchange rate.
On Wednesday, 1 February 2017, 22:19, "David Vogel firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com> [amelyachtowners]" <firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com>> wrote:
Ahh, the dastardly debate - cat versus mono. We faced this choice a few years back, before we even knew what an AMEL was . . . So you are well ahead of the curve.
Ours was a choice between 'conventional' mono versus cat. So we - as mono sailors through and through - crewed on a Cat (Lagoon 420) trans-oceanic - through the Panama, Galapagos, French Polynesia - so as to find out first hand. Low risk way to check it out. We concluded, as others have reported:
- noisy and banging and shuddering in ocean seas, to the point of worrying about structural integrity, but this never proved to be a problem
- could not get used to not being able to 'feel' the boat under sail
- relying accordingly more on instrument to sail, rather than tell-tales and wind-on-the-cheeks
Positives of a cat: as said, privacy, spaciousness, manoeuvrability in tight quarters (when two engines running, otherwise . . . . )
Speed under way was not an issue either way, as a priamry criteria for the kind of Boat - eithe cat OR mono - that we were consdering.
Ultimately, it was for us it the ability to 'feel" the boat under sail, which was the determining fator for cat vs mono.Our 'mission statement': prolonged remote-area and blue-water cruising, most often but not always short-handed, owners being a M+F couple of retiring years (not muscle-bound athletic types). For good measure, the fact of only one propulsion engine to break - less complexity to worry about when things DO go wrong. Having decided this, then the option for us was clear. Mono. And the mission then lead us to a sail-plan supporting ease of sail-handling (and flexibility / redundancy if/when something breaks). = Ketch. And solo watches = protected cockpit, requiring also (for the fatigue-management of the off-watch) ease of sail-handling, which meant powered primary sail-controls, with (preferably) designed-in manual redundancy. Once we had established the functional criteria, this is lead us to discover the AMEL. The level of other 'domestic' aspects, dish-washer, washing machine, not so important, but nice as 'added bonus' once the decision was made.
As was most of the 'other stuff', but all of which concreted the wisdom of the decision. We went to cruising forums (physical, in-person, not on-line) and searched/visited other boat brands/configurations to try to dislodge our choice of an AMEL but, simply, could not do so. Only then, did we start to refine the age, equipment spec, and hone in on the vessel that we eventually bought 4 months back.
That is our story. I know everyone has their own path, and prioritising what is important is a personal choice. But your 'mission spec' - long-term blue water, short-handed, kids = safety is paramount, seems to be roughly the same. My belief is that you can not do better than AMEL for this. When/if, we decide to 'retire' to coastal/inshore cruising, then we figure that a cat may well be the answer. If so, then we figure that a well-maintained AMEL will hold her value more so than other 'plastic fanstatics' , but that is yet another story for a, hopefully, much later time.
Hope this helps you in your quest,
Novice Boat Owner
PERIGEE, SM#396, Martinique
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On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 03:38, W Porter McRoberts firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com> [amelyachtowners] <firstname.lastname@example.org <mailto:email@example.com>> wrote:
Let me start by again thanking you for all your help along the way.
I’d set to purchasing an AMEL54 and am quite committed, researched the brand and boat for a long time now.
Recently a friend and long time sailor also professional captain of a 200’ private yacht commented after i showed him the AMEL 54:
Having lived on my own sailboat and worked for years on other owners sailboats, I highly recommend you looking into a Catamaran! Like the one the listing broker has like a Lagoon 500!
You get twice the space, 2 engines, they are faster and have a shallow draft for anchoring in many places you will not get into with a mono-hull. The salon and aft outside seating area are very roomy so you don't get cramped. Mono-hull's you are always sleeping at a angle and cooking too. I would never run one again just because of not being able to relax more like you can with a Cat hull. The only down-side is that you usually need to be docked on the end or T-head of the marinas because of how much wider their beam is. The best part of sailing is getting to the next destination and relaxing and enjoying the freedom of where you are. The Cat-hull lets you stretch-out and really enjoy where you are with much more inside and outside space.
If you have not tried one, I think you should go charter for 2-3 days a Catamaran in the BVI's then a Mono-hull and see what you think!
You are about to spend a-lot of money and do a major life change. I just don't want you to jump into it without trying all the options available. I have spent years and thousands of miles on Mono-hull sailboats and would never do it again with the great Catamaran options that are out there.
I am about to pull the trigger, am I making the right choice?
I was pretty certain i was until the above response.
Could you lend me your thoughts?
Were a family of four with plans for an around the world cruise for at least 4 years.
Am i making a mistake? I am the kind of person who once he makes a decision then makes certain it's the right one and goes with it.
Its very much appreciated.
Thank you again Porter