Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Eric,

I checked the small capacitors as well as the large ones.

I am not sure what means “measure the continuity to the compressor case”.
When I plug the air conditioning: it trips the power.
If I disconnect the wires in the harness going to the compressor, then it doesn’t trip.

So by “having a bad compressor” does it means that I need a new one? Or can it be rebuilt?

According to Climate Control, they are 2 Climma Marine person in Sint Maarten, I will contact them, then likely go back there.

Thanks for the info on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it required modifications…

Sincerely, Alexandre





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On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM


 









Alexandre,
I am leaving the first bridge tomorrow.
I would check the 3 small capacitors that run the
fan.
I guess you checked the 2 big ones that work with the
compressor.
 
did you measure the continuity to the compressor case
to the power leads of the compressor?
 
 
I think you have a bad compressor and bad fan
capacitors--remember there is a time delay.
If you bring a AC tech on board I think he will find
the same.  The other very obscure possibility is that the
compressor is out of gas. However that is something that we
can not do. The compressor gas is measured in ounces.
 
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376
 

----- Original
Message -----
From: "Alexandre
Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Good morning Eric,
>
> Since you are
leaving in a little bit, making it short:
> Here is what I did:
>

> I completely removed the unit (I will
make an illustration later
> on of the
removal process).
>
> I connected the air conditioning unit in
the cockpit to a shore
> power (this way
it won’t trip my boat all the time).
>
Here is what I find out:
>
> When I connect the harness going to the
compressor, the power
> trips right
away.
> So I disconnected the harness
going to the compressor and it did
> not
trip.
> In one of your email, you
mention if there is a short in the
>
compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other test

> to do?
>
> Also, I did another test (not connecting
the compressor harness)
> but connecting
the harness to the fan (and control), the power
> did not trip, but the fan was not turning
(even thought I was
> measuring
electricity at the fan plug).
> So looks
to me the fan is also dead…
>
> Some pictures of the above tests:
>
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html
>
> Thanks again,
sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
> Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Alexandre,
> I will be at sea either this afternoon
or
> tomorrow..
>
Please reply to WB2cwd@....
>
Fair winds,
> Eric
>

>
> -----
Original
> Message -----
> From: "Alexandre
>
Uster von
>
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Good morning Bill &
> Eric,
> > Thanks
for your continuous
> support.
> > I will keep you posted of
> what I find.
> >
Sincerely, Alexandre
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > On Tue, 6/27/17,
kimberlite@...
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
Re:
> [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
Date:
> Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21
PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> > Cant
Hurt.
> > Eric
>
>
> > ----- Original
> > Message -----
>
> From:
> "'Bill &
> > Judy
>
Rouse'
> >
>
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58
pm
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> >
> >
> > > Eric,
> >
>
> > > I would like to test
> > those capacitors...I think that they
might
>
> > >
charge when
> >
>
> power
> > goes to the control
unit. Of
> course his problem could be

> > >
>
anything,but I had his exact problem and
> > changing out the
> >
> > Compressor
RUN
> > Capacitor
>
> > (40uf) solved the issue.
> >
>
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >

> > >
> >
> On Tue,
> Jun 27,
> > 2017 at 3:30 PM,
>
kimberlite@...
> > >
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > > > Bill,
> > > > when the thermostat is in
the
> neutral
> >
position there is no AC
> > >
going to
> > the
>
> > > unit. Thus a bad capacitor
> > would not make any difference.
> > > >
> >
Fair
> Winds,
> >
> > Eric
> > > >
> > > >
>
-----
> > Original Message -----
> > > > From:
>
>
> "'Bill & Judy
Rouse'
> yahoogroups@...
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
>
> Date:
> >
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> >
> >
> > Subject:
> Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> >
>
> > Tripping 220
> > >
>
> > Volt Panel
> Fuse & marina
>
> > > To:
> >
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > > >
> >
> >
> > I
>
> think Eric is right and I think
>
that the first thing I
> > would
> > > > > do is
> >
> > > >
replace the two capacitors I
> >
mentioned earlier.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > Best,
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > Bill Rouse
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
11:30
> AM,
> >
kimberlite@...
> > > >
>
> >
>
[amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > Alexandre,
> > > > > > with the switch
In
> neutral
> >
position the AC unit is off.
> I
> > > >
> >
>
> would suspect a
> > > > > >
> > short in the wiring somewhere. it
could be
> anywhere.
>
> > > > > Good
> luck,
> > > > > > Eric
> > >
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> ----- Original
> Message
> > -----
> >
>
> > > > From:
> > "Alexandre
>
Uster von Baar uster@...
>
>
> > > >
[amelyachtowners]">
> > Date:
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
>
> > > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin
> > Air Conditioning
> > >
> > >
Tripping
> > 220
>
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> > & marina
>
> >
> > > > To:
> >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
>
> forward air conditioning without
problem.
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > As Eric ask, I
switch on the Aft Air
> > Conditioning
with the
> >
> >
> > >
> > > switch in
> neutral position (neither cold not hot)
and
> >
> >
> right away
> > > >
> > > >
> >
the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip
> > (as well
> >
> as
> the
> >
>
> > > >
> > > marina).
>
> > > >
> > > > What
does that tell you?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > On Tue,
> 6/27/17,
> >
kimberlite@...
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
Aft
> > Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > > >
> >
> > Tripping
220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> >
> > > > > To:
> >
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> >
> > > >
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10
AM
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > > >
>
> Alexandre,
>
> > > > > >
> there is
a switch and
> > thermostat by
> each AC unit. when
>
> > >
> > > > > the
switch is in neutral
> position does
the
> > breaker still
> > > > > > > trip?
> > if not does it trip when the switch
is in
> the heat
>
> > > > > >
>
position?
> > > > > > >
To
> discharge the
>
> capacitor take a wire
> with
insulated
> > >
> > > > > > alligator clips
put
> one clip on the body
> > of the pump or
>
case
> > > > > > >
> > and the other clip to a lug of the
> capacitor.
> > >
> > > >
> Fair winds,
> > > > > > >
> Eric
> > > >
> > > -----
> Original
Message
> > -----
>
> > > > > > From:
>
> "Alexandre Uster von
> >
> > >
> > >
> > Baar uster@...
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
> 7:55
am
> > > > > > >
> Subject: Re: [Amel
>
> Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air
> > > > >
>
> > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> Panel Fuse &
> >
marina
> > > > > > >
To:
> >
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > Good morning
John, Mark,
> > > > > >
> >
> > Eric and
Francisco and thank you for
> > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > your replies,
> > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > Based on what
> you
> > wrote, I suspect a short and a
> dead
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > compressor…
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> Going to test the Capacitors, but how to
> > > > > > >
“discharge
> them”
> > prior
> >
>
> > > > > > to
> > testing?
> >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > Eric, I
> did
> > not
> > >
>
> > > > really
> > understand the:
>
“if the AC switch is off
> > >
>
> > > > > at the
thermostat
> >
>
does it still trip the
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> breaker?”
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> Thanks in advance,
> > sincerely,
>
Alexandre
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > On
Mon,
> 6/26/17,
> >
kimberlite@...
> > > >
> >
> >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > Subject:
> > Re:
> > > > > > > [Amel
Yacht
> > Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
>
> > > > > > marina
>
> > > > > > > To:
>
> > > > > >
> >
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > Date:
> >
> > >
> > > > Monday,
June 26, 2017, 9:24
> PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> Alexandre.
> > >
> > > >
> > if the AC
switch
> > is off at the
> thermostat
> > >
> > >
> > > does it
still
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > trip
the
> breaker?
> >
> > > >
> > > > The
breaker on the AC panel side
> is a
> > > > > > > quick
> blow
> > > >
> > > >
> circuit breaker,
> > If there is
> >
> > > > > a short
> >
it will
> > > >
> > > > > trip
> > before the
> >
> > > > >
> > diruptor.
If the AC is on at the
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > thermostat and
the circuit still trips the
> breaker,
> > > > > > > >
> Check the
> >
continuity of the compressor
> to
> > > >
> >
>
> > > ground. If
> > > > >
>
> > > > there is a short to
>
ground
> > > > > > >
the
> compressor is
>
> dead.
> > > > > >
> > Fair
> > Winds,
> > > > >
>
> > > Eric
> > > > >
>
> > > sm 376
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> -----
Original
> > > > > >
>
> > Message -----
> > > > > >
> > > From:
> >
> > > >
> >
"Alexandre
> > > > >
> > > > Uster von
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > > > >
>
> Baar
> >
uster@...
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > > >
>
> > > > Date: Monday,
> > June 26,
> 2017
5:19 pm
> > > > > >
> > > > Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
> Cabin
>
> > > > > > Air
> >
> > > > > >
>
Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > > >
> > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > >
> >
> > > To:
> > > > > >
> >
> >
amelyachtowners@...
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Good
afternoon,
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> > Today, I hear
>
the
> > > > > > >
> > > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel
tripping
> (the
> >
> > > > > one
> > >
> > > > > > behind
>
the
> > panel).
>
> >
> > > > > >
>
> > I
> >
> > > > > > found out
>
> the
> > > > >
> > > fuse of the
>
> marina also
> trip.
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > After running
>
tests,
> > > > > >
> > > > the cause is the Aft
Cabin
> Air
> >
> > > > >
>
Conditioning
> > > > > >
>
> > > (which I
> > have been
> >
> > > > > using non
> >
stop for 9
> > > >
> > > > >
>
> days).
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> Running
> > > > > > > >
> the salon does
> >
not trip anything.
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > What could
> > > > > > > be the
> > cause?
> > >
> >
> > > > >
> > How to
>
diagnostic
> > > > > >
>
> > and solve the issue?
> >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > Did I use too much
> > > > > >
> >
> > > the
air conditioning?
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
>
> > > How come the
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > Diruptor
> did not
> > >
> > >
> > > trip, but the
220 Volt Panel did?
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > How come I trip the
marina
> fuse?
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > Thanks in
advance.
> > >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
Sincerely,
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre
> > > > > > >
> > SM2K
> #289
> > NIKIMAT
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> > Port de
>
Gustavia, Saint
> > > > >
>
> > > Barthélémy,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > FWI
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>

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