Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric,

I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill level at the moment…

Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine both in Saint Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate Control, then likely will sail back to Saint Maarten.

Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor can be changed…

I have not tried to tap the compressor with a soft mallet, as when it is connected it trips the power. (If I disconnect its harness then the power does not trip).

Have a great trip!

Sincerely Alexandre



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On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM


 









Hi Alexandre,
Continuity means that if you are using a
multimeter set to ohms. If  you touch the two leads
together you read 0 that means there is a very good
connection between the leads that is continuity. If you
have the compressor disconnected  and touch one lead to one
of the two power wires and the case of the compressor on a
shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a short in the
compressor.
 
Climate control only sells parts to the two operations
in St Maarten.The Climma company near the bridge
perma frost has an extremely bad reputation and I have had
experience with them. Enertech also wanted to build me a
new evaporator for one of my freezers for $600-  years ago
and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate control. You
might ask at Budget marine or Island water world for a
recommendation.
 
The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it yourself
installation without almost any modifications to the
system.
If the compressor is shorted it is more economical to
replace the whole unit as it is old and something else might
go bad.
Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft mallet
and then seeing if it will start.
Good luck.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
Date: Wednesday,
June 28, 2017 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse & marina
To:
amelyachtowners@...

> Good afternoon Eric,
>

> I checked the small capacitors as well
as the large ones.
>
> I am not sure what means “measure the
continuity to the
> compressor case”.

> When I plug the air conditioning: it
trips the power.
> If I disconnect the
wires in the harness going to the
>
compressor, then it doesn’t trip.
>

> So by “having a bad compressor”
does it means that I need a new
> one?
Or can it be rebuilt?
>
> According to Climate Control, they are 2
Climma Marine person in
> Sint Maarten,
I will contact them, then likely go back there.
>
> Thanks for the info
on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the
> Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it required
modifications…
>
>
Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
> Date:
Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alexandre,
> I am leaving the first bridge tomorrow.
> I would check the 3 small capacitors that
run the
> fan.
> I
guess you checked the 2 big ones that work with the
> compressor.
>  
> did you measure the continuity to the
compressor case
> to the power leads of
the compressor?
>  
>
 
> I think you have a bad compressor
and bad fan
> capacitors--remember there
is a time delay.
> If you bring a AC tech
on board I think he will find
> the
same.  The other very obscure possibility is that the
> compressor is out of gas. However that is
something that we
> can not do. The
compressor gas is measured in ounces.
>
 
> Fair Winds,
>
Eric
> Sm 376
>  
>
> ----- Original
> Message -----
> From:
"Alexandre
> Uster von
>
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45 am
> Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
Cabin Air
> Conditioning Tripping 220
Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> To:
amelyachtowners@...
>
> > Good morning Eric,
> >
> > Since you
are
> leaving in a little bit, making it
short:
> > Here is what I did:
> >
>
> > I completely removed the unit (I
will
> make an illustration later
> > on of the
>
removal process).
> >
> > I connected the air conditioning unit
in
> the cockpit to a shore
> > power (this way
>
it won’t trip my boat all the time).
>
>
> Here is what I find out:
> >
> > When I
connect the harness going to the
>
compressor, the power
> > trips
right
> away.
> >
So I disconnected the harness
> going to
the compressor and it did
> > not
> trip.
> > In one of
your email, you
> mention if there is a
short in the
> >
>
compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other
test
>
> > to do?

> >
> > Also,
I did another test (not connecting
> the
compressor harness)
> > but
connecting
> the harness to the fan (and
control), the power
> > did not trip,
but the fan was not turning
> (even
thought I was
> > measuring
> electricity at the fan plug).
> > So looks
> to me
the fan is also dead…
> >
> > Some pictures of the above tests:
> >
>
>
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html
>
> > Thanks again,
> sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
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> > On Wed, 6/28/17,
kimberlite@...
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
Re: [Amel
> Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
Conditioning
> > Tripping 220 Volt
Panel Fuse &
> marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
Date:
> Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06
AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Alexandre,
>
> I will be at sea either this afternoon
> or
> > tomorrow..
> >
> Please reply to
WB2cwd@....
> >
> Fair winds,
> >
Eric
> >
>
> >
> > -----
> Original
> > Message
-----
> > From: "Alexandre
> >
> Uster von
> >
>
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25
am
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft
> Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To:
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >

> > > Good morning Bill &
> > Eric,
> > >
Thanks
> for your continuous
> > support.
> >
> I will keep you posted of
> >
what I find.
> > >
> Sincerely, Alexandre
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > On Tue, 6/27/17,
> kimberlite@...
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
Subject:
> Re:
> >
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220
Volt
> Panel Fuse &
> > marina
> > >
To:
> >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> Date:
> >
Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21
> PM
> > >
> > >

> > >  
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> > Bill,
> > > Cant
> Hurt.
> > >
Eric
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original
> > > Message -----
> >
> > From:
> > "'Bill &
> > > Judy
>
>
> Rouse'
>
> >
> >
>
yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
5:58
> pm
> > >
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht
> Owners]
Aft
> > Cabin Air
>
> > Conditioning Tripping 220
>
> Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> >
> To:
> >
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > >
> > >

> > > > Eric,
> > >
> >
> > > > I would like to test
> > > those capacitors...I think that
they
> might
> >

> > > >
>
charge when
> > >
> >
> > power
> > > goes to the control
> unit. Of
> > course
his problem could be
>
> > > >
>
>
> anything,but I had his exact
problem and
> > > changing out the

> > >
> >
> Compressor
> RUN
> > > Capacitor
>
>
> > > (40uf) solved the
issue.
> > >
>
>
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > On Tue,
> >
Jun 27,
> > > 2017 at 3:30 PM,
> >
>
kimberlite@...
> > >
>
> > [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> Bill,
> > > > > when the
thermostat is in
> the
> > neutral
> >
>
> position there is no AC
> > > >
> going
to
> > > the
>
>
> > > > unit. Thus a bad
capacitor
> > > would not make any
difference.
> > > > >
> > >
> Fair
> > Winds,
> >
>
> > > Eric
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> >
> -----
> > >
Original Message -----
> > > >
> From:
> >
>
>
> > "'Bill & Judy
> Rouse'
> >
yahoogroups@...
> > >
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]"
> > >
>
> >
> >
Date:
> > >
>
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm
> >
>
> > >
>
> > Subject:
> > Re: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> Conditioning
> > >
> >
> > > Tripping 220
> > > >
>
>
> > > Volt Panel
> > Fuse & marina
> >
> > > >
To:
> > >
>
>
>
"amelyachtowners@..."
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > I
> >
> > think Eric is right and I think
> >
> that the first
thing I
> > > would
> > > > > > do is
> > >
> > >
> >
> replace the two capacitors
I
> > >
>
mentioned earlier.
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > Best,
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > Bill Rouse
>
> > > >
> >
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at
>
11:30
> > AM,
>
> >
> kimberlite@...
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
>
> [amelyachtowners] wrote:
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
Alexandre,
> > > > > >
> with the switch
> In
> > neutral
> >
>
> position the AC unit is off.
> > I
> > > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > would suspect a
> > > > > > >
> > > short in the wiring somewhere.
it
> could be
> >
anywhere.
> >
>
> > > > > Good
> >
luck,
> > > > > > >
Eric
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > ----- Original
>
> Message
> > > -----
> > >
> >
> > > > > From:
> > > "Alexandre
> >
> Uster von Baar
uster@...
> >
> >
> > > >
>
> [amelyachtowners]">
> > > Date:
>
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft
> Cabin
> > > Air Conditioning
> > > >
> >
> >
> Tripping
>
> > 220
> >
>
> > > > > Volt Panel Fuse
> > > & marina
> >
> > >
> > > > > To:
> > >
> >
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
> > > > > I run the
>
>
> >
> >
forward air conditioning without
>
problem.
> > > > > >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> > > >
> > > As Eric
ask, I
> switch on the Aft Air
> > > Conditioning
> with the
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > switch in
> > neutral position (neither cold not
hot)
> and
> > >

> > >
> >
right away
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> the Ground Fault Interrupt
(GFI) breaker trip
> > > (as well

> > >
> >
as
> > the
> >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
marina).
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
What
> does that tell you?
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> > >
>
>
> >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > On
Tue,
> > 6/27/17,
>
> >
> kimberlite@...
> >
>
[amelyachtowners]
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> wrote:
> >
>
> > > > > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners]
> Aft
> > > Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
Tripping
> 220 Volt Panel Fuse &
marina
> > >
>
> > > > > To:
> >
>
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017,
9:10
> AM
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> >
Alexandre,
> >
>
> > > > > >
> >
there is
> a switch and
> > > thermostat by
> > each AC unit. when
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > the
> switch is in neutral
>
> position does
> the
> > > breaker still
> > > > > > > >
trip?
> > > if not does it trip
when the switch
> is in
> > the heat
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> position?
> > > > > > > >
> To
> > discharge
the
> >
> >
capacitor take a wire
> > with
> insulated
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
alligator clips
> put
> > one clip on the body
> > > of the pump or
> >
> case
> > > > > > > >
> > > and the other clip to a lug of
the
> > capacitor.
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > Fair winds,
> > > > > > > >
> > Eric
> > >
> >
> > > > -----
> > Original
>
Message
> > > -----
> >
> > > >
> > > From:
> >
> > "Alexandre Uster von
> > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > Baar uster@...
> > >
> >
> [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, June 27,
2017
> > 7:55
>
am
> > > > > > >
>
> > Subject: Re: [Amel
> >
> > Yacht
Owners] Aft
> > Cabin Air
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt
> >
Panel Fuse &
> > >
> marina
> > > >
> > > >
> To:
> > >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > Good
morning
> John, Mark,
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
Eric and
> Francisco and thank you for
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > your replies,
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > Based on what
> > you
> > >
wrote, I suspect a short and a
> >
dead
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > compressor…
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
> > Going to test the Capacitors,
but how to
> > > > > >
> >
> “discharge
> > them”
> >
> prior
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > to
> > > testing?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > >
Eric, I
> > did
>
> > not
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> really
> > > understand
the:
> >
> “if
the AC switch is off
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > at the
> thermostat
> > >
> >
> does it still trip the
> > > > >
>
>
> > >
>
> >
> > breaker?”
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Thanks in
advance,
> > > sincerely,
> >
> Alexandre
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > >
> >
>
--------------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > >
On
> Mon,
> >
6/26/17,
> > >
>
kimberlite@...
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
> [amelyachtowners]
> > > >
>
> >
> >
>
> > >
>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> > Subject:
> > > Re:
> > > > > > > >
[Amel
> Yacht
> >
> Owners] Aft Cabin Air
>
Conditioning
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > Tripping 220 Volt Panel
Fuse &
> >
>
> > > > > > marina
>
>
> > > > > > > >
To:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> amelyachtowners@...
> > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > > > Date:
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > Monday,
> June 26, 2017, 9:24
>
> PM
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Alexandre.
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > if the AC
> switch
> > > is
off at the
> > thermostat
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > does it
> still
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > trip
> the
> > breaker?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > The
> breaker on the AC panel side
> > is a
> > >
> > > > > quick
> >
blow
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
> circuit breaker,
> > > If
there is
> > >
>
> > > > > a short
> >
>
> it will
> >
> > >
> > > > > >
trip
> > > before the
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > diruptor.
> If the AC is on at the
> > > >
>
>
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > thermostat and
> the circuit still trips the
> > breaker,
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
Check the
> > >
> continuity of the compressor
> > to
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
ground. If
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> there is a short to
> >
> ground
> > > >
> > > >
> the
> > compressor is
>
>
> > dead.
>
> > > > > >
> > >
Fair
> > > Winds,
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Eric
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
sm 376
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > -----
>
Original
> > > > > >
>
> >
> >
> Message -----
> > > > >
> >
> > > > From:
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> "Alexandre
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
Uster von
> > > > > >
> >
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > Baar
> > >
>
uster@...
> >
> [amelyachtowners]"
> > > > >
>
>
> > > > > Date:
Monday,
> > > June 26,
> > 2017
> 5:19 pm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > Subject: [Amel
Yacht
> Owners] Aft
>
> Cabin
> >
>
> > > > > > Air
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> Conditioning
> > > Tripping 220 Volt
> > > > > > > >
> > > Panel Fuse & marina
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> To:
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
amelyachtowners@...
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > >
Good
> afternoon,
>
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> > > > > >
> > > Today, I hear
> >
> the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > fuse of the 220 Volt
Panel
> tripping
>
> (the
> > >
> > > > > > one
> > > >
> >
> > > > > behind
> >
> the
> > >
panel).
> >
> >
>
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > I
> > >
> > >
> > > > found out
> >
> > the
> > >
> > >
> > > > fuse of
the
> >
> >
marina also
> > trip.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > > > > >
> > > After running
> >
> tests,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > the cause is the
Aft
> Cabin
> >
Air
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> Conditioning
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > (which I
> > > have been
>
> >
> > > > > >
using non
> > >
> stop for 9
> > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > days).
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > >
>
> > Running
>
> > > > > > > >
>
> the salon does
> > >
> not trip anything.
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
>
> > What could
> > > >
> > > > be the
> > >
cause?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How to
> >
> diagnostic
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > and
solve the issue?
> > >
> > > > >
>
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > Did I use too much
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> the
> air conditioning?
> > > >
> >
>
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > > How come the
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > > Diruptor
> > did not
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > trip, but the
> 220 Volt Panel did?
>
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > How come I trip the
> marina
> > fuse?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > > Thanks in
> advance.
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > >
>
Sincerely,
> > > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > > > >
>
Alexandre
> > > > > > >
>
> > > SM2K
> > #289
> > >
NIKIMAT
> > >
>
>
> > > > > > >
>
> > > Port de
> >
> Gustavia,
Saint
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
Barthélémy,
> > >
> > > > >
>
> >
> > > > FWI
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> >

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