Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Eric,
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I am afraid the continuity feel over my skill level at the moment… Going to contact Titan Marine and Rob Marine both in Saint Maarten recommended by Coastal Climate Control, then likely will sail back to Saint Maarten. Hopefully as Bill mentioned, the compressor can be changed… I have not tried to tap the compressor with a soft mallet, as when it is connected it trips the power. (If I disconnect its harness then the power does not trip). Have a great trip! Sincerely Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina To: amelyachtowners@... Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:08 PM Hi Alexandre, Continuity means that if you are using a multimeter set to ohms. If you touch the two leads together you read 0 that means there is a very good connection between the leads that is continuity. If you have the compressor disconnected and touch one lead to one of the two power wires and the case of the compressor on a shiny area and the meter reads 0 you have a short in the compressor. Climate control only sells parts to the two operations in St Maarten.The Climma company near the bridge perma frost has an extremely bad reputation and I have had experience with them. Enertech also wanted to build me a new evaporator for one of my freezers for $600- years ago and the evaporator cost me $150 from Climate control. You might ask at Budget marine or Island water world for a recommendation. The dometic air conditioner is almost a do it yourself installation without almost any modifications to the system. If the compressor is shorted it is more economical to replace the whole unit as it is old and something else might go bad. Did you try tapping the compressor with a soft mallet and then seeing if it will start. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina To: amelyachtowners@... > Good afternoon Eric, > > I checked the small capacitors as well as the large ones. > > I am not sure what means “measure the continuity to the > compressor case”. > When I plug the air conditioning: it trips the power. > If I disconnect the wires in the harness going to the > compressor, then it doesn’t trip. > > So by “having a bad compressor” does it means that I need a new > one? Or can it be rebuilt? > > According to Climate Control, they are 2 Climma Marine person in > Sint Maarten, I will contact them, then likely go back there. > > Thanks for the info on the Dometic 10. Will it also power the > Calpeda cooling pump? Or does it required modifications… > > Sincerely, Alexandre > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina > To: amelyachtowners@... > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 12:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre, > I am leaving the first bridge tomorrow. > I would check the 3 small capacitors that run the > fan. > I guess you checked the 2 big ones that work with the > compressor. > > did you measure the continuity to the compressor case > to the power leads of the compressor? > > > I think you have a bad compressor and bad fan > capacitors--remember there is a time delay. > If you bring a AC tech on board I think he will find > the same. The other very obscure possibility is that the > compressor is out of gas. However that is something that we > can not do. The compressor gas is measured in ounces. > > Fair Winds, > Eric > Sm 376 > > > ----- Original > Message ----- > From: "Alexandre > Uster von > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 10:45 am > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina > To: amelyachtowners@... > > > Good morning Eric, > > > > Since you are > leaving in a little bit, making it short: > > Here is what I did: > > > > > I completely removed the unit (I will > make an illustration later > > on of the > removal process). > > > > I connected the air conditioning unit in > the cockpit to a shore > > power (this way > it won’t trip my boat all the time). > > > Here is what I find out: > > > > When I connect the harness going to the > compressor, the power > > trips right > away. > > So I disconnected the harness > going to the compressor and it did > > not > trip. > > In one of your email, you > mention if there is a short in the > > > compressor, then it is dead. Correct? Or is there other test > > > to do? > > > > Also, I did another test (not connecting > the compressor harness) > > but connecting > the harness to the fan (and control), the power > > did not trip, but the fan was not turning > (even thought I was > > measuring > electricity at the fan plug). > > So looks > to me the fan is also dead… > > > > Some pictures of the above tests: > > > > http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh_test.html > > > Thanks again, > sincerely, Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 6/28/17, kimberlite@... > [amelyachtowners] > > wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: [Amel > Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning > > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & > marina > > To: > amelyachtowners@... > > Date: > Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 8:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Alexandre, > > I will be at sea either this afternoon > or > > tomorrow.. > > > Please reply to WB2cwd@.... > > > Fair winds, > > Eric > > > > > > > ----- > Original > > Message ----- > > From: "Alexandre > > > Uster von > > > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" > > Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 6:25 am > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft > Cabin Air > > Conditioning Tripping 220 > Volt Panel Fuse & marina > > To: > amelyachtowners@... > > > > > Good morning Bill & > > Eric, > > > Thanks > for your continuous > > support. > > > I will keep you posted of > > what I find. > > > > Sincerely, Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 6/27/17, > kimberlite@... > > > [amelyachtowners] > > > wrote: > > > > > > Subject: > Re: > > [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air > Conditioning > > > Tripping 220 Volt > Panel Fuse & > > marina > > > To: > > > amelyachtowners@... > > > > Date: > > Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 5:21 > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > Cant > Hurt. > > > Eric > > > > > > > ----- Original > > > Message ----- > > > > From: > > "'Bill & > > > Judy > > > Rouse' > > > > > > yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" > > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:58 > pm > > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht > Owners] Aft > > Cabin Air > > > Conditioning Tripping 220 > > Volt Panel Fuse & marina > > > To: > > > "amelyachtowners@..." > > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > > > > I would like to test > > > those capacitors...I think that they > might > > > > > > > charge when > > > > > > > power > > > goes to the control > unit. Of > > course his problem could be > > > > > > > > anything,but I had his exact problem and > > > changing out the > > > > > > Compressor > RUN > > > Capacitor > > > > > (40uf) solved the issue. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, > > Jun 27, > > > 2017 at 3:30 PM, > > > kimberlite@... > > > > > > [amelyachtowners] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > when the thermostat is in > the > > neutral > > > > position there is no AC > > > > > going to > > > the > > > > > > unit. Thus a bad capacitor > > > would not make any difference. > > > > > > > > > Fair > > Winds, > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > > "'Bill & Judy > Rouse' > > yahoogroups@... > > > > > > [amelyachtowners]" > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:55 pm > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air > Conditioning > > > > > > > > Tripping 220 > > > > > > > > > Volt Panel > > Fuse & marina > > > > > > To: > > > > > > "amelyachtowners@..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > think Eric is right and I think > > > that the first thing I > > > would > > > > > > do is > > > > > > > > > replace the two capacitors I > > > > mentioned earlier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Rouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at > 11:30 > > AM, > > > > kimberlite@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > [amelyachtowners] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre, > > > > > > > with the switch > In > > neutral > > > > position the AC unit is off. > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect a > > > > > > > > > > short in the wiring somewhere. it > could be > > anywhere. > > > > > > > > Good > > luck, > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original > > Message > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > "Alexandre > > > Uster von Baar uster@... > > > > > > > > > > [amelyachtowners]"> > > > Date: > Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:25 am > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft > Cabin > > > Air Conditioning > > > > > > > > > Tripping > > > 220 > > > > > > > > Volt Panel Fuse > > > & marina > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > amelyachtowners@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I run the > > > > > > forward air conditioning without > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Eric ask, I > switch on the Aft Air > > > Conditioning > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > switch in > > neutral position (neither cold not hot) > and > > > > > > > > right away > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trip > > > (as well > > > > > as > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marina). > > > > > > > > > > > > What > does that tell you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > On Tue, > > 6/27/17, > > > > kimberlite@... > > > [amelyachtowners] > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] > Aft > > > Cabin Air Conditioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tripping > 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > amelyachtowners@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017, 9:10 > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre, > > > > > > > > > > > there is > a switch and > > > thermostat by > > each AC unit. when > > > > > > > > > > > > the > switch is in neutral > > position does > the > > > breaker still > > > > > > > > trip? > > > if not does it trip when the switch > is in > > the heat > > > > > > > > > > > > position? > > > > > > > > > To > > discharge the > > > > capacitor take a wire > > with > insulated > > > > > > > > > > > alligator clips > put > > one clip on the body > > > of the pump or > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > and the other clip to a lug of the > > capacitor. > > > > > > > > > > > Fair winds, > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > ----- > > Original > Message > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > "Alexandre Uster von > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baar uster@... > > > > > > [amelyachtowners]" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 > > 7:55 > am > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Amel > > > > Yacht Owners] Aft > > Cabin Air > > > > > > > > > > > > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt > > Panel Fuse & > > > > marina > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > amelyachtowners@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good morning > John, Mark, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric and > Francisco and thank you for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your replies, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on what > > you > > > wrote, I suspect a short and a > > dead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compressor… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to > > > > > > > > > “discharge > > them” > > > prior > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > testing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric, I > > did > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > really > > > understand the: > > > “if the AC switch is off > > > > > > > > > > > > at the > thermostat > > > > > > does it still trip the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > breaker?” > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > sincerely, > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > On > Mon, > > 6/26/17, > > > > kimberlite@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [amelyachtowners] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > > Re: > > > > > > > > [Amel > Yacht > > > Owners] Aft Cabin Air > Conditioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & > > > > > > > > > marina > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > amelyachtowners@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, > June 26, 2017, 9:24 > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre. > > > > > > > > > > > > if the AC > switch > > > is off at the > > thermostat > > > > > > > > > > > > does it > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trip > the > > breaker? > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > breaker on the AC panel side > > is a > > > > > > > > quick > > blow > > > > > > > > > > > > circuit breaker, > > > If there is > > > > > > > > > a short > > > > it will > > > > > > > > > > > trip > > > before the > > > > > > > > > > > > diruptor. > If the AC is on at the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thermostat and > the circuit still trips the > > breaker, > > > > > > > > > > > Check the > > > > continuity of the compressor > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is a short to > > > ground > > > > > > > > > the > > compressor is > > > > dead. > > > > > > > > > > Fair > > > Winds, > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > sm 376 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > Original > > > > > > > > > > > > Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > Uster von > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baar > > > > uster@... > > > [amelyachtowners]" > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, > > > June 26, > > 2017 > 5:19 pm > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Amel Yacht > Owners] Aft > > Cabin > > > > > > > > > Air > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conditioning > > > Tripping 220 Volt > > > > > > > > > > > Panel Fuse & marina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amelyachtowners@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good > afternoon, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today, I hear > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel > tripping > > (the > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > behind > > > the > > > panel). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > found out > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > fuse of the > > > > marina also > > trip. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After running > > > tests, > > > > > > > > > > > > the cause is the Aft > Cabin > > Air > > > > > > > > > > > > Conditioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > (which I > > > have been > > > > > > > > > using non > > > > stop for 9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Running > > > > > > > > > > > the salon does > > > > not trip anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could > > > > > > > > be the > > > cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to > > > diagnostic > > > > > > > > > > > > and solve the issue? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I use too much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > air conditioning? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Diruptor > > did not > > > > > > > > > > > > trip, but the > 220 Volt Panel did? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How come I trip the > marina > > fuse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in > advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre > > > > > > > > > > > SM2K > > #289 > > > NIKIMAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Port de > > > Gustavia, Saint > > > > > > > > > > > > Barthélémy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FWI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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