Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

Patrick McAneny

Craig, Its not that I in any way question the quality of AMCO , if they are good enough for Amel they are good enough for me. I looked at there website and could not determine if they produced their own wire or not , thus my question.

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From: sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Jan 2, 2018 5:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique


If you visit ACMO's website you'll find they make their own fittings - ACMO stands for Modern Casting in French. They then fabricate rigging and architectural cables using outsourced cable, swaging their fittings to the cable, or optionally providing mechanical fittings.. Thus they are a manufacturer of fittings and a distributor of cable after it is fabricated to specification.
As AMEL's supplier I think you can trust the cable was determined to be of high quality, although I suppose you could query ACMO as to their source if you are not comfortable with their reputation.
Craig, SN#68

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Ian, So AMCO is a retailer or distributor not a manufacturer , I was not sure , and was trying to determine if they produced their own wire. 

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From: Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jan 2, 2018 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

Hi Pat,

We had Pen Azen rerigged in Hyeres last year by the riggers that Amel always use there. They bought all the turnbuckles from ACMO but not the wire. They bought it direct from a German manufacturer from whom ACMO also buy their wire. They told me that this German company has pretty well a monopoly  in Europe on this quality of wire.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 02 January 2018 20:28:13
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique

Bill, Does Acmo manufacture wire themselves or are they a distributor of wire ? Their website does not indicate they are a manufacturer of wire , seemed more they supplied rigging . From what Annapolis Rigging and other riggers such as Mack Sails say , it sounds like the highest quality of wire today , in their opinion is being manufactured in South Korea by KOS . I was just speaking with Mack and they said it may well be that ACMO also buys their wire from KOS .He said there is not many wire manufacturers left . He agreed that you need to certify your source as their is cheap wire out there , much from China. He also said that much name brand hardware is also from China and  one is lead to believe its manufactured elsewhere . 
Happy New Year,
Pat SM #123

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From: 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jan 2, 2018 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Riggers In Trinidad and Martinique


Thanks for the information.

As you know, not all rigging wire is created equal, and rigging wire is made in metr ic and inch dimensions. I noted that you did not specify, but I am fairly sure that the rigging wire available in Seattle and possibly Trinidad are inch. My experience is that when riggers use inch dimensions, they use slightly smaller wire than the original metric dimensions than Amel uses.

Additionally, Chinese stainless steel is popping up everywhere. Did you ask for a certificate of origin or some other proof of country of manufacture? Also, I have seen many riggers use existing Amel rigging parts when re-rigging an Amel because they cannot source some parts, especially the small turnbuckle on the forestay.

Over the years I have seen many marine suppliers cave into the price pressure placed on them and when people only compare prices. Many of these suppliers give their customers what they ask for...the lowest price without regard to quality. The best examples of this are the very low quality products offered by Worst Marine.

Lastly, I am familiar with a Super Maramu owner that used the wrong rigger, who used bad materials about a year ago. He is going to sail to Martinique to have everything replaced again. Martinique isn't the only good place to replace Amel SM rigging, but they certainly are the most experienced on this side of the Atlantic. I have a quote from them done in 2016 for 9032..34 Euro. I am going to write Gaetan and ask what the difference is. I will CC you of the email.

I believe that you are on the right track, but there are other variables that you need to address in your comparisons.

Your current rigging lasted 22 years and on a recent circumnavigation. There has to be a reason that Amel OEM rigging outlasts other rigging by almost two times the norm. The OEM rigging is available in kit form and ready to install from ACMO, the OEM supplier to Amel for your boat. The kit includes everything down to the washers. Email philippe"at"

I hope this helps you.


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:48 AM, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I've been in the group a while but don't often access it.  I' finishing up a circumnavigation and planning to replace the rigging on my 1995 Super Maramu.  It looks great to me, but it is 22 years old.  I have three quotes from different riggers in different countries. The costs vary greatly for both labor and parts, but especially labor.  I have included a summary of the quotes below broken down by labor and parts.  All quotes are for 316 stainless steel and includes all turnbuckles and upper eye pieces.  My question to this forum is whether any of you have knowledge of Jason Romell in Trinidad.  I've had good reports on Gaetan of Caraibe Marine  in Martinique who is recommended by the local Amel office.   Romell is recommended by Peake Yachts in Trinidad where my boat is on the hard.  I include these details since it may help other owners thinking of re-rigging.  BTW, one owner noted that he was told by Gaetan that he had never seen an Amel with a failed rig.  I provide the costs in Euros and US Dollars converted at a rate of 1.19 US dollars per Euro.  

Quote From             Euro              Labor           Euro            Parts         Euro          Total     Dollars      Total
Trinidad - Jason Romell 1,513 6,607 8,119 $9662
Martinique - Caraibe Marine 3,429 8,106 11,535 $13,726
Seattle - Northwest Rigging 8,580 9,552 18,132 $21,577
Seattle Higher Than Trinidad By 150% 18% 57% 57%
Martinique Higher Than Trinidad By 127% 23% 42% 42%
NW Higher Than Trinidad By 467% 45% 123% 123%

I am trending toward the less expensive quote from Trinidad contingent on meeting Jason on Friday.  But I'm very tempted to go for the more expensive quote from Martinique given the recommendation form Amel.   Ken Powers had Aquarius rigged in Martinique last year and was quite happy.  

Any comments appreciated.  Happy New Year to all!

Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool


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