Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu 2000 Dodgers
Krassopoulos Dimitris <dkra@...>
It is very interesting to receive e-mail from non Amel owner but believe metoggle quoted messageShow quoted text
that you first to sail in an Amel to understand the boat.
No there is no need for a hard top on the SM 2000. The design is absolute ok
depending ofcource of your sail area. If you planning to sail in the
Antarctica it is necessary but as a comprise for the main sailing
destinations is the optimum. The Hallberg Rassy hard top is necessary for
Scandinavian sailing but not for mediteranean or tropical conditions. When
you install the two new designed side screens is absolutely dry even with
high seas and comfortable as a hardtop and ofcource foldable when the
conditions allow it.The handles installed on the hard part are very useful
to step out. The awning extension for sun protection is very well designed
and very easily installed.
My only suggestion to Amel would be to make the second windscreen also
openable as the drivers windscreen I really do not understand why they do
not make the design symmetrical.
S/Y Alma Libre
From: lionel_marais [mailto:lionel_marais@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu 2000 Dodgers
I am not an Amel Yacht owner yet, but I have been aiming for several
years at becoming a Super Maramu owner, one of the very few boats I
would consider changing to from our beloved Endurance 35. As decision
time comes closer (meaning as cumulative savings make it feasible to
consider a jump from dream world to reality) one has to consider in
details advantages and drawbacks of various options within the
limited selection of boats and within the possible specifications for
each model. This is obviously not the purpose of the amelyachtowners
site, but I am glad to find here feedback from more enthusiastic
owners with years of sailing experience than I could ever meet.
The dodger/bimini/awning question keeps creeping back when comparing
boats, and it is apparently one question for which some Super Maramu
owners have found various solutions with various degrees of
satisfaction. Amel themselves have altered the design raising the
back, and offering to cut clear windows in the vinyl... but these
alterations come short of offering a real alternative to the fully
open cockpit with temporary vinyl-canvas shelter. Other boat builders
like Hallberg Rassy (http://www.hallberg-rassy.se)
<http://www.hallberg-rassy.se)> (see Hallberg
Rassy yachts 53 and 62) offer a choice, for the same model: either
dodger / bimini or hard top / dog house. Whichever you choose I feel
that you are more likely to live happily with it when it is your
deliberate choice. Furthermore if experience or time have you change
your mind, the option remains, down the line, to replace
The most recent Amel design appears to have reached an optimum for
the dodger/bimini solution, in terms of balance between visibility
through the windows and above, headroom... leaving little hope of
finding, on that route, any cure for the inherent drawbacks you
mentioned together with a few others like blocking the view forward
when you stand in the cockpit and you are not way above 2 meters tall...
The dimensions of the Super Maramu cockpit seem to present a perfect
base for a hard top solution taking advantage in full of the head
room available in the cockpit below the main sail boom.
This would allow three large windows as you suggest, thus greatly
improving the view forward. (Modern materials have allowed boat
builders to design windows much larger than these, and still able to
withstand battering from the sea in more exposed positions on multi-
To add strength and because of the proximity of the main sail sheet,
I would have the middle window not opening. (Your windshield wiper
could be installed on it).
The opening of the other two windows may be along a horizontal axis
at the middle of the windows if a hinge at the top has the windows
protruding too much forward and interfering with the main sail sheet
and its pulley block. (You may even have to cut the windows in half
with only the upper half opening, which would not be as good).
The lateral windows could be half opening (sliding).
In addition to being a much better support for larger clear top
windows/openings as you suggest, a hard top extending all the way to
the mizzen mast could me made very strong with some attachment to the
mast, without the need for thick reinforcement. (We seek shelter from
the sun but would also like to keep as much shelter as possible in
bad weather when vinyl-canvas extensions may have to be taken down).
A complete cockpit hard top cover would improve safety (no weird
angle) when going in and out of the cockpit. There is plenty of
height, as can be experienced with the present bimini, for a
continuous hard top not to present any significant hindrance: hand-
rails properly positioned on top would even help when moving about.
This roof could be a good support for solar panels.
Complete closure of the cockpit would certainly be easier to design
and attach on a fix structure, adding a proper temporary deck saloon
to the living space.
This hard top being an added piece could be removed without too much
additional fuss, if need be, for engine or generator removal.
Having done some touch up on drawings and photos, I think the overall
silhouette could be quite pleasant.
I would be very interested to know whether and how you bring your
ideas to fruition or if you give up, why you give up.
--- In amelyachtowners@y..., Anne-Sophie Schmitt <nearlynothing@y...>
Thank you for the suggestion. I want something more
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