Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US entry

ianjenkins1946 <>

Thanks, David. I guess the US governmnent has to use every means possible to raise cash at the mo!Just hope for all our sakes that it turns out that they are spending it wisely. Cheers, Ian

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:30:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US entry

Have fun calling the US embassy it is a premium rate call at extortionate rates and i dont think you will get chapter and verse in writing on for your intended voyage from Cuba to the US.

Getting chapter and verse from these people is almost impossible i have been trying for three years now to get clarification on the green visa waver tear off ticket and the white visa tear off ticket that you retain in your passport. Simple question really - do you retain that until you are exiting the US on the last leg of your journey on your way home to the UK - the visa waver is valid for 90 days the visa one for 6 months - IF part of your travel will be hoping in and out of the US regularly in this trip - some say yes and some expect you to give it up as you exit the US on the first leg of your trip. We tend to transit into the VI's via the USA and so do most of the people who come sailing with us - they tend not to have the 10 year US visa whereas we do. It is a nightmare really - not a big thing though - but i expect 'rules' to be understood and applied in a consistent manner - that is far from the case with both the visa and visa waver tear off portions in our experience since 9/11 - pre 9/11 you just kept it till it expired and / or handed it back as you were returning home.

All you need is a std 10 year visa and the best place to get that in the UK is Belfast - have a wee midweek break in Be
lfast - though being in London you have a big advantage in that you are able to meet their appointment dates without having to travel.


Currently, many British citizens traveling on a valid, individual
machine readable passport, with a return or onward ticket, and who are
staying for less than 90 days, qualify for the Visa Waiver Program. There are conditions, so please review the information concerning visa free travel on the American Embassy London Nonimmigrant Visas Services Home Page.

Nonimmigrant Visas

The following provides information on visa requirements for
travelers to the United States who wish to visit, work or study for a
temporary period. The type of visa required will depend on the purpose
of your travel. Many travelers seeking to enter the U.S. for business
or tourism for less than 90 days will be eligible to travel to the
United States visa free under the Visa Waiver Program.

Method of Application

With limited exceptions,
nonimmigrant visa applicants aged 14 to 79 are required to schedule an
appointment for an interview with a U.S. consular officer. Interviews
are by appointment only. The Embassy does not accept walk-in applications.

Processing Times

The average visa processing time for successful applicants is five
business days, during which time the applicant's passport must remain
with the Embassy. Applicants who are advised at the visa interview that
their application requires additional processing=2
0should allow at least
8 weeks for this stage of the application process. Once processing is
completed, the applicant will be contacted for the passport. A further
four weeks should be allowed for the visa to be issued and the passport

Applicants who are advised at the time of
their interview that action on their application has been suspended
under Section 221(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act should
allow a minimum of 10 - 15 business days for their application to be
processed once they submit the missing documents to the Embassy.

Electronic Visa Application Form

The visa application form DS-156 must be filled out on-line. Complete
this form ahead of time. If you experience problems in accessing this
form and are unable to complete it by the date of the interview, your
appointment will be canceled and you will be required to reschedule
for another day.

Failure to complete the 2D bar coded form will delay your application for a visa.

Do not complete blank or unprocessed data input forms by hand.
Unprocessed data input pages or data input pages completed by hand will
not be accepted.

The information that you submit is not stored anywhere. It is also
not submitted to the Embassy electronically. It is only used to
generate a barcode.

What you Need

To use the electronic visa application form, your Internet browser
must sup
port 128-bit encryption and you should use either an ink-jet or
laser printer to print the completed application form. If you are using
Internet Explorer (Windows), the minimum version that will work with
this site is version 5.0, with service pack 2. If you are using
Netscape, the minimum version that will work with this site is version
6.2. You must also have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your PC in
order to download and print the completed application form. The minimum
version that will work with this site is version 5. If you do not have
Adobe Acrobat, you may download a copy from Adobe’s web site.

Depending on the speed of your Internet
connection, it may take several minutes to download the initial and
completed copies of the form. Please be patient.

Instructions for completing the electronic DS-156

Complete the form on-line by filling in the applicable data fields.
Fill in the form as completely as possible leaving blank only those fields
that do not apply in your case. If a field is completed incorrectly, a message
will advise you on who to correct the entry.

Review the information you have entered for accuracy.

Press the Continue button at the end of the form and wait while the
system processes your data and transfers it to a 3 page DS-156 form with
a special bar code on page 3. Failure to click on the Continue button
will result in an incorrectly formatted application form.

Print the form after it is returned=2
0to you and date and sign it.

The barcode that prints on the 3rd page contains the information you
entered and will help us process your application more quickly.

Pages 1, 2 and 3 with the 2-D bar must be furnished when applying for the visa.

The electronic form DS-156.

Do not complete blank or unprocessed data input forms by hand.
Unprocessed data input pages or data input pages completed by hand will
not be accepted.

have fun

kindest regards


-----Original Message-----
From: Ian & Judy Jenkins <>
Sent: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:18 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] US entry

Dear Robin, John and David, Wow! What a fecund source of info and debate is to be found amongst Amel owners.I always knew we were no ornery bunch of boatowners ! Thanks for all your inputs. I am going to get chapter and verse (in writing!) from the US embassy in London. Armed with the right visas I suspect we will just sail in with the minimum of fuss and wonder why we had had any other concerns.

Cheers, Ian and Judy Pen Azen, SM 302, Trinidad PS Looks as though cheap fuel is no longer available to yotties in Trini. Per no fuel at all was available when the authorities recently decided that yachts should not enjoy the subsidised fuel available to
Trini residents. However, Don Stollmeyer at Power Boats has sorted out a separate tank on his fuel berth and fuel is available again at international rates--we are still in London so I don't know what those are at the mo.

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:25:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] US entry
I think that is a dumb idea - probably one of the dumbest ideas i have seen on this group.? Why would you tell lies about your last port of call - get caught out doing that and the shit could really start to hit the fan - lets just imagine that the US and other authorities have been watching and monitoring your progress from Cuba to Florida.? Remember the Caribbean into FL is on one of the main drug routes so this is not as unlikely as it would first appear - and then you try and say you were not there.? This is one sure way to get your boat taken apart piece by piece until they dont find what you were not hiding - or get the boat impounded and sold off at auction There was some clown who tried to smuggle in a fair number of Cuban cigars to another Caribbean country.? In fact all he did was just not declare them on board - so he was assumed to be a smuggler - he ended up in jail and lost his boat - dont mess with the authorities be nice friendly totally up front and totally legal.

-----Original Message-----
From: john martin <>
Sent: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:23 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] US entry
Ian, You will have no problem with Cuba. Keep your zarpe from whatever country you clear out of, tell immigration in Cuba not to keep your zarpe and not to stamp your passport,and when you get to U S tell the authorities you came from the other place. The authorities in Cuba know the problems we have in the US and they will help you,especially since our so called helpful country sent Haiti 5 million dollars for aid after hurricane Hanna and only sent $100, 000 to Cuba. As usual our country tries to win the peoples minds before we win their hearts. When you go there visit a nice hotel and sign up for some first class tours, you will really see Cuba and know why I think its one of the best islands in the Caribbean. John 'Moon dog' sm248
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.comFrom: kimberlite@optonline.netDate: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:20:56 -0400Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] US entry
Ian,I just had Bali Hai at my yacht club here in Huntington.It had an owner from Chile on board.I would NOT leave for20the USA from Cuba. They might confiscate your boat. Imet another limey in St martin who told me he was clearing out of Miami toHavana and was told that if he put Havana on the form they would confiscatethe boat. EU boats clearing into the USA do not have much of a problem.Fair Winds,EricAmel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite'-----Original Message-----From:[] On Behalf Of Ian & Judy JenkinsSent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:22 AMTo: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Amel Yacht Owners] US entryHi y'all, We are thinking of taking Pen Azen, British flagged, to visitsome former colonies next year, arriving in Florida ( shhh... might bearriving from Havana...) and working our way north to Noo Yawk. Is thereanyone who has recent experience of taking a foreign flagged vessel( crewedby two Aliens) to the States? There have been scare stories circulating inthe Old World about the boys and girls from Homeland Security, 96 hoursnotice of entering US waters, the need ( on a strict reading of thelegislation ) to notify the authorities if you even move berths within thesame marina etc etc. I am sure that in practice it is all much easier but itwould be interesting to know.We both have UK passports and the UK has a visa free entry if you fly in tothe US but I am not sure if the same applies if you sneak in at 7 knots.All would be no doubt revealed if I could afford the $300 to attend aninterview at the US embassy but I am sure that there will be an Amel
ownerout there somewhere who will have all this at his/her fingertips.Cheers, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Trinidad__________________________________

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