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Thanks for sharing your own experiences with this issue and all of your points make sense. From what I am learning about this issue it is the Airlines here in Canada not wanting to be liable. I am thinking of calling Air France on Monday and just laying the whole issue out to them to see what solution they suggest.
On Jun 15, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...
The easiest way to avoid the airport hassle or immigration constraints is to purchase a fully refundable one-way return airline ticket within the visa dates. Once you are in your location, refund the ticket.
If you time the purchase correctly, you will not even have to pay for the ticket on your credit card since it can be refunded within the same billing cycle.
With best regards,
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama
- Hi James. My wife Jen and I are in a similar situation right now. We flew out of Pearson but we were on Azores Airlines. We’re flying back out of Vienna on TAP so no cross linkages at all. Nobody in the EU seems to care how long we were there for as we were never asked how long we were staying and we crossed into and out of the EU and Schengen zone many, many times (Azores - flight, UK - flight, Austria - flight, Romania - flight, Austria - flight, Hungary - car, Slovenia - car, Italy - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Montenegro - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car so far :-). The passports get stamped with an entry and exit date every time but no “visa” or restrictions. I’m guessing they’d give you grief only if you over stayed your welcome. The Europeans are far more organized than the US, Canada or UK in that they also do exit checks and demand that hotels and B&B’s report your presence on a nightly basis. There are signs as you enter Croatia and Montenegro that say as much but frankly they aren’t very uptight about any of it. Gazillions of tourists here and it’s going to get far worse in July/August so I suspect they have far better things to do than hassle you. Air Canada shouldn’t care on the outbound leg and if Austria didn’t care about any of our one way Ryan Air tickets in and out (being Uber efficient Germanic types) I can’t imagine you’ll have any issues anywhere else. I saw the same thing flying into Lisbon and Barcelona on TAP last fall.. I had an outbound ticket on Ryan Air to Stansted but they never even asked about it. Good luck!
On Jun 15, 2019, 11:09 AM +0200, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...
Mohammad and Aty,
Thanks for taking the time to provide the email address for Chris. I have added this to my Greece file and will be contacting Chris soon.
I do have another question to anyone that can help. We have round trip tickets via Air France out of Canada to Italy. The arrival and departure dates are more than 4 months apart while the Schengen limit is 90 days. We plan to spend sufficient time outside of the Schengen in Croatia, Montenegro (or possibly Turkey) to avoid exceeding the 90 day limit. I was told by another traveller who wanted to fly to into France with Air Canada that with an departure/return flight covering more than 90 days that he was forced to change his return ticket to a date that did not exceed the 90 day limit. Has anyone else come up against this problem and if so what would be the best solution? My tickets are non-refundable.
On Jun 15, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...
Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...
Let me know if you need any further information
Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking. Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting. I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online. If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have. If not then I will try do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed. We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.
On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource.
There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/
On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:
This all sounds good to me. I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information. Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu? Also, which marina he operates out of.
On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends.
The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.
We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.
In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.
On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:
Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent. I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed. Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful. We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure. The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well. My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece. If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry? We will have a bit over 4 months this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard. Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.
On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.
This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.
Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.
On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:
Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses. Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork? Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?
On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.
It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.
On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:
You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece
Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator
Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada