Am Montag, 28. Okt, 2019 um 22:27, hanspeter baettig schrieb:
Two questions only.
You sailed headwinds in 55 kn , means 12 Btf. or you where at ancer in a shelterd bay
Am Montag, 28. Okt, 2019 um 18:06, JOHN HAYES schrieb:
Gidday Orion
I’ve done pretty much what your considering
So I began looking for a cruising ketch with centre cockpit and confined my choice to a Contest, Harley rassie (sp?) or an Amel and ended up with a Santorin and have been very happy with the choice. All amounts that follow are in NZ dollars
I came across a 1991 Santorin sailed to NZ from the Med. it has now had 4 owners and its name has been changed by each owner
I sailed it first around our South Island and the next year the north island and have just completed a voyage Wellington Nuku’alofa Vava’u Savusavu Denarau Vanuatu Noumea Wellington without incident except 55 knot head winds at times until a couple of days from Tonga
Living in the roaring 40’s we encounter strong winds at times.....I purposely took the boat out in winds of 50 plus knots to see what might break and those trips were important first to give me confidence in the boat. I had no previous knowledge of Amel and it’s systems
So costs
Boat $155k
Slip and take antifouling back to gel coat $10000.
An extravagance!!! Should have set up with cover cost .....,
Installed Zeus 2 chart plotter new wind gear and depth sounder $8000
Added AIS $1250
Replaced anchor chain with 120m 10mm Italian made chain $1500
Re galvanised anchors $200
On the first trip the Bimini blew apart replaced and redesigned in superior cloth $7500
The wind generator lost its feathers and I replaced with a silent wind $5000
We had to cut down the Genoa trying to get into akaroa harbour in 60 knots with the engine overheating and the headsail furling motor dying and I did not understand the need to cross over the sheets on the manual system
New Genoa $5000 rebuild furler motor and the gears in the gear box $4500
The motor was a Perkins 50 hp. It has a spline driven water pump which if not aligned precisely with a special tool chews up the spline in the water pump shaft. Happened twice cost $1250 each time for new spline and pump
Replaced the motor with a Volvo D250 and all skin fittings before heading to the pacific $32000
Brought new tender $3300 (don’t like it too heavy) plan to buy a carbon fibre replacement circa $8000
Replaced all mattresses and interior upholstery $8000
New main $3800. New mizzen $2000
New rigging $17000
Rebuilt the 3 furler motors $3000
Replaced stove $1600
New 6 person life raft $3800
Added a portable freezer to the front hanging locker. Been excellent $800. There is no freezer under the seats on my boat
Overhauled bow thruster $500
Overhauled spectra water maker by agent $750
Added second raycor fuel filter $750
Added forward scanner $2600. Might have been smarter to upgrade to a Zeus 3 has cheaper scanner connection.....I found Navico charts excellent and forward scanner marginal value
Replaced engine room fans $120
Replaced dodger windows $460
Replaced running rigging. $1500
Replaced flares added plbs life jackets. NZ required first aid kit $3500
Put on part b of the New outboard motor for tender $2000
I’ve also thought about adding an inner forestay which the SM has
My experience is that the prop generator and the wind generator provides all the power we have needed. We also have a couple of solar panels but don’t really need them
You might want to think about what you add to the stern. The large stern locker means we continually fight to minimise weight in the stern Because it affects bow stern trim. We carry the tender on the roof of the aft cabin which adds to the problem
Have I over capitalised? To secure insurance for off shore cost $5200. I had to get the boat valued. The value was $260k
Hope the foregoing is of use to your consideration
The Santorin has excellent seakeeping qualities l love it!!
John Hayes
Nga Waka sn 41
Wellington
On 29/10/2019, at 1:18 AM, Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:
Good evening everyone,
After many months of struggling between the Super Maramu and the Santorin, we have settled on the Santorin to do a circumnavigation. In the end the main reasons was cost and time. We considered the possibility that a circumnavigation would take three years, in which all likelyhood we would never use the boat again once we had finished. While the SM is the perfect boat for us (if there is such a thing in yachting), the expenses involved to get the boat up to scratch before we even set sail (let alone the cost of the boat) we found hard to justify for a three year trip. So our next option is the Santorin, in which we think we can modify the galley (to include washing machine and extra bench space), modify the portside seating, add air con to the aft cabin, possibly build a solar arch and install lithium batteries, plus standard antifouling paint/servicing/other minor modifications for under $300k AUD(including the purchase of the boat. Any thoughts on this scenario and its feasibility would be most appreciated.
Regarding the Santorin, I have a few burning questions that i haven't been able to source the information for. Does the Santorin have:
- Freezer under salon seating?
- Any aircon? ( and is there space to install aircon units in aft/forward cabins and salon?)
- Is the Santorin 12V or 24V, and what is the advantage of having 24V compared with 12V?
- If I install the lithium batteries in the passageway, is it possible to fit a small generator in the engine room and do I need one? ( If I have lithium batteries and solar arch, I figure I may only have to turn on the main engine once a day to help charge the batteries with the lithium batteries holding enough power to run aircon in aft cabin during the evening).
I understand purchasing a yacht I would most likely not make any money when it came time to sell, though in this case i would hope to break even especially if we went to the trouble of doing these modifications to the Santorin that future buyers would appreciate. The only thing bugging me is whether the total cost involved with such an enterprise would be mostly recovered or I am throwing good money after bad and could perhaps be better off spending more to buy an SM with less headache.
Again thoughts and recommendations greatly appreciated.
Kindest regards
Orion
