Hi Arnold;
I had placed an order for about 10 packs a few years ago. At the time they were 5 Euros per pack. I do see now that they have increased their price to 27.53 Euros on their website. That is an unexpected increase.
Happy Sailing;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
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Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 9:13 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Membrane Tube end caps
Hi Mohammad and Atypisch,
wehre did you buy the sterilizing powder? My last bill from Desallator was € 22,95 +20% VAT for the powder!
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Am 22.04.2020 um 18:05 schrieb Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>:
We have followed Dessalator instructions for storage during the off season. We have used the reusable cartridge and powder provided by Dessalator. (5 Euros per use). We have not had any issues.
I was referring to the fact that Dessalator recommends using the ST2 sterilizing cartridge and 1 packet of their "sterilizing"
powder." This is regardless of the size.
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:24 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:
Before leaving the boat for an extended period of time I have always used 30ml Sodium Metabisulphite in 7.2l water (approx. 1 bucket), circulated through for half an hour, then allowing the bucket
to drain, leaving the membranes flooded with the solution. Note that the concentration is the same regardless of the capacity of the water maker. I have never had a problem.
S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
One of the things that have not been mentioned in this Topic is the possible causes of
the deterioration of some materials used for endcaps.
There is anecdotal evidence that points to Sodium Metabisulfite, the pickling chemical as being a cause, especially when it is mixed in a solution greater than
recommended by Dessalator. IMPORTANTLY, the smaller watermakers (50-60 liter) have less than 1/3rd the internal volume that the larger watermakers (150-250), yet the recommended dosage is the same! This
makes no sense to me. Additionally, there are some who believe if a small amount of pickling agent is good, more is better. BeBe (SM 387), with a D160 watermaker, had this "more is better" problem for the first 1.5 years of her life. She was cared for by an
"experienced" guy in Tortola. He was one of those who believed, more is better. During his this time, BeBe's owner only used BeBe 3 or 4 times for 2 weeks or less. After each use, he had the caretaker pickle
the watermaker. Within a few months of our ownership, the membranes needed replacing, and the white endcaps were deteriorated around the interconnect bobbin. When we bought BeBe, the watermaker had 34 hours on the meter, but the endcaps and the membranes needed
replacing. I estimate that, except for a few weeks, the system was filled with a very high solution of Sodium Metabisulfite.
I replaced the white end caps with the "new" black end caps and had no issues for almost 11 years of ownership. During that ownership, I never used Sodium Metabisulfite.
I replaced the membranes about every 3 years. I replaced them when the TDS neared 300ppm. This was my preference. Interestingly some Spectra watermakers have an auto-rejection system that rejects product water at 750ppm (default). Some watermaker manufacturers
have said that any ppm that is under 1000ppm is safe. WHO states that 750ppm is safe, but recommends a daily intake limit at 500ppm. The efficiency of membranes, in terms of ppm changes with age. The slow creep of ppm will not be noticed. You should check
ppm continuously.
Lastly, I have found Dessalaltor to be responsive to our needs. And, please remember this: "We encourage
postings which will genuinely help Amel owners source needed parts and services. We encourage you to support the Amel brand and be respectful to the brand in your postings. Care should be taken to not post anything that could be considered offensive or derogatory
regarding Amel, any Member, or Sponsor. Please refrain from political issues, rude, or inappropriate language. Please refrain from criticism of persons or businesses in which you may have experienced unsatisfactory results, because it would be one-sided, without
the ability of the other side to respond."
BTW, Dessalator is the supplier of choice of many Super Yachts.
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Hi Danny,
I fully agree we should not dismiss the choices Amel made too easy. I think the choice Amel made with the Desalator watermaker was excellent. But like with everything in life it was also a compromise between pro's and con's.
Reality is that companies that make watermakers are up to some extent just assembling stuff that is in the market anyway. So the membranes are from DuPont, the HP pump is from Cat, etc, etc.
But fact remains there are some valid points of criticism to be expressed for the Desalator product. That does not imply that Amel is to blame. It just means that Desalator has room for improving the product.
Until now I did not find a cruiser perfectly happy with his or hers watermaker. These things are extremely sensitive to bad treatment and treating them well can be a drag after so much time.
From my point of view there are a few things Desalator could improve with very little cost. I appreciate they don't change the product every two years and forget about spareparts for the installed base, like many companies do, but there are some obvious thing
they could improve like many Amel owners already did themselves.
Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203
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