Re: Self Insurance

Patrick McAneny

Danny, I was thinking (dangerous) we Amel owners, are probably paying for the sins of others. We are lumped in with other owners that for the most part have inferior boats and less experience. I see many  out there that do not even know how to anchor, last winter one drug anchor in Guadeloupe and did $28,000.00 damage to my boat. So many owners out there are making bad decisions leading to losses that we all pay for. Amels are very safe boats ,with knowledgeable owners and it would be nice if that was reflected in the coverage/premiums.
Be Safe,

-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance

Hi Pat, I like that idea better. More workable I think.
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 19 May 2020 at 05:18 "Patrick McAneny via" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Teun, I have often thought if we as sizable sub group of Amel owners approached an Insurance Co. with a group buy ,if it would be possible to obtain better coverage at a better price. The same way groups obtain group medical insurance at a better rate than individuals. 
Just a thought,

-----Original Message-----
From: Teun BAAS <teun@...>
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Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance

Hi Pat & Kent,
Since we might be able to make the point of: A) AMEL boats; B) AMEL owners - and therefore a lower risk (????) - combined with thoughts/approach similar to your concept below it might make sense to research a synthetic form by approaching an insurance company for a joint?
F.e: no USA insurance company is willing to write/cover my ASTON MARTIN but HAGERTY in MI specializes in this and insured at a lower premium than my the main USA insurers carry my BMW/AUDI.
Best Regards Teun
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From: <> On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 05:56
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Self Insurance
This is a rough outline of a self insurance or shared risk co-op, that I sent Kent and thought I would share with the group. It was prompted by the hassle I have had with obtaining insurance, the restrictions and expense.  Bill suggested self insuring and just buying liability insurance, however in the event of a total loss, it would be a big financial hit, that I could not afford. However, if I could share that risk with even ten others or better yet many more, it would soften the loss. When you consider how few Amel's have been lost outside of a hurricane zone, the risk seems very low, and yet we need to insure against such a great financial lose.
1. A  LLC. formed
2. An administrator and board to accept membership ,assess deposit amount , administer funds and assess claims.
3. A one time deposit could be a percentage of agreed fixed value, perhaps 2 or 2.5% ,eg. $200,000 boat would amount to a $5000 deposit into the fund
4. Coverage would be for total loss , fixed value minus say 10% deductible. Figuring most owners could absorb some loss ,and insurance companies have deductibles as well. Hurricane zones excluded.
5. Perhaps lightning strike coverage , perhaps coverage would be ,replace with new equipment ,minus a 30 % deductible.This would probably be the largest source of loss. May have a surcharge or higher deductible for Florida locations.
6. All funds would be in an interest bearing account,if you can find anyone paying interest.
7. Upon leaving the group , the owner would receive a 50% refund of his deposit assuming they had no claims. 
8. Perhaps a .20% of fixed value annual fee to go to cost of administration .eg. $3000,000. boat x.20% = $600. annual fee
Assuming 200 owners/members at average boat value of $300,000 x 2.5 % = $7,500 deposit or $1,500,000.00 in funds.
a $300,000. loss of a boat would break down to a loss of $1,350. for each of the 200 members.
This could even work on a smaller scale . If ten owners shared responsibility for loss. $300,000 minus deductible of 10% ,would be $ 270,000.000 divided by ten owners or $27,000 per owner. Its all about spreading the risk.
I wonder why no group has formed a risk co-op as yet. Maybe because insurance used to be less restrictive and more reasonably priced .
Stay Safe,
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