Re: Fuel Bladders


David Vogel
 

Yes, I agree with both Bill R & JP,

We have not absolutely needed the extra fuel for ‘underway’ point-to-point passage-making. But we have needed it due to the interruption of the normal supply line, or exercising the option we had (due to having ~800 litres on-board) to stay away from population centres for extended periods. Both of these events responding to or resulting from COVID and directly-related circumstances. Sometime, we have expected to be able to fuel up monthly, but with a 3-month delay until the next fuel supplies arrive on-island (or anywhere within 500nm). We were glad to have the extra fuel on-board in these cases.

Perhaps the point I wish to make is that - for prolonged remote-area cruising where sometimes one is held in a remote area/s due to circumstances not of your choosing - everything (such as supply lines, including fuel supplies to remote island archipelagos) has changed due to COVID, and what worked in prior years may not work so well in future.

Supply chain management: we are also seeing reduced availability of spare parts, and greater delays (or more expense to reduce the delay) of various (otherwise normally available items) – even such mundane items as oil filters. Folks planning to head out into the wild blue yonder may beneficially review their on-board spares & consumables holdings accordingly. Also, choose your freight company with care.

For example, using FEDEX out of the US, to French Polynesia, results in items ending up in NZ (with no onwards to FP). A simply request for a re-direct has resulted in item/s been forwarded to Australia (abandon all hope). If you are fortunate enough to able to actually get someone to physically locate your item in NZ, then it can be sent from NZ to Europe, and from there re-consigned to FP. Or, choose a US supplier that in the first place will ship via DHL. Or, choose a supplier in Europe, not the US.

The world has changed in strange ways. And it is not as simple as it once was, not that it was ‘simple’ in the first place.

Best to all.

David
Perigee, SM#396


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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Bladders

Bill Rouse, 

We concur with your view: we have 1 X 20 litre of diesel and 1 X 20 litre gasoline for the outboard. Neither one was used during our longest sea legs

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera SM007

On 2/06/2021, at 8:00 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@gmail.com> wrote:

David,

In our 10 years and 40,000 miles, we never needed the 190 extra liters and most of the miles we didn't have solar.

If we were to do it again, we would probably not carry extra fuel, but would have about 800 watts of solar. 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
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On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 1:50 PM David Vogel <david.vogel@westnet.com.au> wrote:
Hi all,

Re: did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

We have 10x Jerry Cans for shore-to-boat transfers and longer passages, as described by others, stored on-deck.  PLUS 3x 20ltr jerry cans with known clean fuel held inviolate in the port-side deck locker for fuel emergencies – the fuel rotated into the main tank and refilled with biocide & water treatment roughly every 12 months.

The deck jerries are used routinely to ferry fuel from shore, or to top up the main tank whilst underway or in remote localities – the deck fuel normally not more than 6-months old. A downside of using the deck-jerries so regularly, is that the lip-seals on some are starting to split, and so no longer fuel- (or water) proof.  (At least one lip-seal falling foul to the over-enthusiastic efforts of a friendly and very helpful service-station attendant in French Polynesia – my bad for not maintaining adequate oversight.)

As to the question have we ever really needed the extra fuel?  We necessarily tapped into the deck reserves twice.
Both during COVID times.

The first during lockdown, which occurred immediately after an unscheduled break in the supply ships delivering fuel stocks to the island – so refuelling was down to 20ltr per person per day, and I didn’t foresee the imminent need to keep everything topped up. And, then during lockdown, refuelling was not possible at all.  I was very pleased to have the extra fuel already on-board …

The second whilst anchored out for extended periods in the Tuamotus.  We could have decided to leave and head back to ‘civilisation’ earlier to refuel, but having the extra fuel on-board provided welcome flexibility and options to remain away from population centres while COVID was circuiting throughout the various communities.  Noting that medical facilities in the more remote areas comprise a nursing station (if you’re lucky), so an extra-precautionary approach to minimising exposure was appropriate for our circumstances.

I also enjoy the extra flexibility in passage planning and execution – if we wish, or need, to burn fuel to power through a calm, or to make that pass on the next tide, then generally useable fuel is not a key consideration.

Bearing in mind that we presently have only 400W of solar, so are more reliant on the genset that many other AMELs.  We are planning a solar upgrade, at which time we will downsize the auxiliary fuel capacity, and store 160ltr in the port-side deck locker as others have been doing (and will then be glad to return to the “clean decks” we once enjoyed).

David
Perigee, SM#396


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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Fuel Bladders

Hi Colin,
Last saw you as you were in your dinghy hanging onto our rail in Bequia to inform me of your decision to immediately move on through The Canal back to Austrailia. 

Just curious--even though you transfer from the cans to the tank when you can--by your calculations, did you ever need the extra fuel you carried?

Bob, KAIMI SM429

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