Re: tb/Electric Furler for AMEL 54/AYOG
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Further (and hopefully FINAL) update:
BAMAR is sending 2 motors & brake sets to AUSTRALIA this week prior to their closing for the Summer Holidays this Friday (tomorrow).
They offered a discounted price for the units which I happily accepted as the prompt shipment will help me to meet “sailing deadlines” – now there is a “Contradictio in terminis”; sailing deadline. 😊
Hahahahahaha.
Anyhow – glad how this has been handled by BAMAR.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA August 4, 2022 18:14:12
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From: Teun BAAS
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 21:08 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Cc: Carol LP <clp@...> Subject: RE: [AmelYachtOwners] tb/Electric Furler for AMEL 54/AYOG
QUICK UPDATE,
BAMER just sent an Email apologizing for the delay and indicated they are prepared to send new motors & brakes to AUSTRALIA.
Very positive development and I will keep you informed.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA August 3, 2022 21:06:39
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On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Morning David,
Update on my situation:
The re-installation of VICTRON LITHIUM will be completed this week.
Never a dull moment with these boats 😊
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA August 2, 2022 12:42:49
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On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Hi David,
Really appreciate the feedback; especially on the furlers – this helps immensely. I have shared your Email with my rigger who really is in favor of HARKEN and PROFURL over RECHMANN. But, as we all realize, everybody has their own opinions & preferences. For me it is very important what is available when as I do have a time deadline to meet.
Again – thanks for taking the time and I might be back to you.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
HOPE ISLAND MARINA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA July 29, 2022 13:21:48
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On Behalf Of David Dickman via groups.io
hi Teun, Sorry for the late reply, just returned from a trip to Ireland (by plane). In March/April, I had Philippe LaConte and Gaetan at Caraibe Marine in Martinique replace all of my standing rigging and the furlers on my A54. I replaced with ProFurl. Specific models were the NDE2 C420 (800W) for the staysail and the NDE2 C520 (1200W) for the genoa. I have a 155 genoa on Galini and wanted the extra torque the more powerful motor provided for the front headsail. I was told that it was the first installation by Profurl for these furlers on an A54 and there were some adjustments that had to be custom made by Phillipe and crew (mostly Phillipe himself). Both Profurl motors have longer extrusions that the old Banmar units they replaced. That required modification to both the staysail and genoa foils, in that they needed to be shortened.
For the staysail, I actually replaced the entire foil with a new one due to the age of the boat (#100 2008) and the size needed was available in Martinique and was a standard design. The staysail has a single track so this was not an issue.
However, as you know the Amel genoa foil has a special triple track set up that is unique and a special swivel for the ballooner sail. Thus, we opted to cut the foil about 7 inches (as I recall more or less) to accommodate the longer lower extrusion incorporated in the NDE2 480 motor base. In addition, the standard interface piece between the lower extrusion and the foil was too small in diameter so a custom tube interface was machined by Phillipe to fit. In addition, the upper extrusion and clamp bearings around the stay that insert into the swivel had to be modified, again machined by Phillipe to fit. The swivel that came with the Profurl motor was discarded.
Finally, at the base of the 420 motor, there is a stemhead attachment to the boat chainplate that consisted of two offset brackets that are pinned together to form a "U" shape. this differs from the 520 motor stemhead that is a solid machined SS tube. Phillipe is having made a similar SS tube for my 420 motor that should arrive soon to match that of the 520.
Since this installation of these motors on the Amels was new to Profurl, Phillipe apparently convinced them that the market was large enough that Profurl sent a design engineer from France to Martinique to see the issues on my boat before it was completed. Although I was not there during their visit, Phillipe told me that Profurl took his design accomodations back to the company for implementation to a standard Amel application kit. I have no idea if that was adopted by Profurl, but it would be worth an ask either to Phillipe or Profurl directly.
As too cost, the C420 was 6200 euros plus about 1500 euros for minor parts and installation. The C520 was 8200 euros plus 1500 euros for minor parts and installation.
How do they work? I sailed over 2 months from Martinique - Guadaloupe - St Croix - Dominican Republic - Jamaica - Cayman Islands - Houston . Now sail in houston every weekend.
So far, quite happy. Can furl/unfurl on all points of sail in light and strong (up to 40 knts on one occasion, but between 20 and 30 knts often) winds on almost any point of sail. Of course depower when furled, but I do not generally turn upwind to furl the fore sails. I do not let them flog, but keep some minor tension on the sheets while furling. If the motors appear to strain, I stop and release sheet tension of adjust course.
Hope this helps... happy to discuss further.
David Gailini A54 #100
Attached here are final photos:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 4:08 PM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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