Re: [Amel] Santorin Italica SN 28 and Akwaaba SN 27: liferaft and electrical issues on Santorins

Attilio Siviero <attilio.siviero@...>

Hi Fabio and other "Santorinians",

your info are toooo interesting to me for my future (not so near) plans.

What I think to add is only this:

1. liferaft: when I was in Hyeres I planned to locate the LR just behind the
mizzen mast, thus Amel provided me the appropriate saddles and strips (actually
the same to be used for fuel tanks on rubber boats). They where going to drive
huge screws onto aft cabin roof, and I stopped them: I think it is better to
glue saddles, I do not like make holes on the deck. I also considered to instal
a cradle outside the left rail, near the flag support, but due to its weight a
new SS stanchion should be required. The cheapest alternative are the plastic
saddles on top of aft deck. Dinghy can stay on bow deck, aft deck is more usable
for crew and guests: we do this;
2. electrical issues: I think that wind gen and solar panels should be enough
for electric requirements, mostly if a good not-power-hungry fridge is used,
anyhow Paguro2000 diesel generator is a 2kW unit, very small, to be used only
for battery recharging, could be the way-out: but... 4000€ (5500$) needed, which
is much less than Fisher-Panda and Mastervolt cost. Can be put in the engine
room, not in the galley under the sink!
3. wind gen and solar panels: solar panels are more cost effective, can be put
on top of canvas (bimini) or along rails, vertical during navigation, and
semi-horizontal at anchor, with adjastable inclination. On top of canvas can be
used also when sailing, if PSA does not provide enough power, but require a
stronger and fixed SS structure. Wind gen placed on aft pole is the easiest
position, good for maintenance, even if mizzen mast is sometimes used: more
wind, less noise (if duly insulated by rubber mats), but more difficult
maintenance, and additional weight very high: I think that traditional aft pole
is better and wiser .

This is my contribution for the moment: fair winds

Maria&Attilio SV Santorin#84"Sisila"

Da: MAS <mas1766@...>
A: amelyachtowners@...
Inviato: Dom 6 febbraio 2011, 19:12:28
Oggetto: [Amel] Italica SN 28 and Akwaaba SN 27

Hi Mike & Chris,

thank you very much for your precious information and suggestions.

Italica SN 28 and Akwaaba SN 27 are sisters, I think they left Amel shipyard
more or less in the same time! Where you from?

1. It is a desalinator from Cathelco Seafresh Ltd? Web site seems under
construction now. Which model you installed?
2. At the moment I also lean towards a redundant eletric autopilot.
3. I was also thinking to move the liferaft from it's locker and stow somewhere
outside but I cannot find the right place. I use the aft cabin top to locate the
tender, so even during the ocean passage it will be deflate and stored, I want
to keep this place free for it.
4. I actually have an Honda 2kwa for emergency but I would like to buy a more
powerfull one, not too heavvy.
I cannot understand the location of your generator "under the sink" can you give
me more information. Which brand and model do you have?

I will take care of all other suggestions you gave me. Thank you again.

Look forward to receive your comments.

Best regards-

s.y. Italica SN 028

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...> wrote:

   We set up our Santorin, (sloop variant), for ocean sailing by doing the

1. Desalinator; We had a "seafresh" system with the HP pump engine driven. It
fits into the engine room well.n Autohelm wind vane on an aft pole,(this also
carried the satcom C an
2. We looked at a hydrovane system, but decided to carry a spare autopilot
computer, and drive motor. We had ad navtex aerials), and this was superb at
keeping us at the right wind angle with both poles out. ( we did not need the
spare until Tahiti)
3. We removed the liferaft from it's locker, stowed it on the aft cabin top in
a small wooden cradle, ( if you are replacing yours get one that is designed for
deck stowage), and turned that locker into a fuel storage locker. You have to
block the locker drain, which goes straight into the engine room, but you can
get 8 "jerrycans" of diesel in there.
4. We already had a generator, 4Kva, for the 230v freezer, but we took a spare
charger with us. The charger had already been moved from the engine room to
under the sink as we found that it overheated when motor sailing in the tropics.

The shaft alternator works well at speeds of over 5kts (day)Â and 5.5-6 at
night, but we failed to carry a spare. Any low rpm, low output car alternator
will do, but get it adapted for marine use. (the negative is separate, not
through the alternator case).

We had a two fairly slow crossings, both ways in 1998, and would keep our eyes
on the battery charge state. At about minus 50-70 AH we would start either the
generator, (running the freezer and battery charger), or, once we had eaten the
food in our small freezer, engine, running the watermaker and shaft
  Because the watermaker and engine share the same salt water inlet, we
found that about 1800 rpm gave enough water for both, and gave us an extra knot
of boat speed. About 50 -60 mins engine run was enough and we had hot water as
  Our Perkins M50 used about 1.5 litres of fuel per hour when motorsailing,
plus the fact that you need to allow about 50-60litres for port manouvering and
approach and departure. We motor sailed for the first 24 hrs to get to the wind,
so a fuel plan is necessary. Also, we did not let the water tank go below about
450-500l before running the watermaker. The boat rolls less with a fairly full

Also, on long passages, the worst "enemy" for a sailor is chafe - the slight
rubbing of sails, halyards etc particularly with twin poles. Part of our daily
checks was to drop the balooner and check for chafe, also on main and sheets. We
put a small section of engine hot water hose on the halyard where it attached to
the sails, and covered that with duct tape - any chafe was instantly visible!

Finally - enjoy the trip - ocean passage sailing is one of the great joys in
the world -

All the best;

Mike & Chris
Akwaaba SN 027

--- On Tue, 1/18/11, MAS <mas1766@...> wrote:

From: MAS <mas1766@...>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Ocean Hobo Santorin 96
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 10:28 AM

Hi Ivan,

I was sailing from Martinique to Union on a catamaran during X'mas holidays and
I saw your Ocean Hobo moored in Rodney Bay.

Unfortunately you was not on board as I was looking to ask you some

I own a Santorin (n°28/91 s.y. Italica) and preparing the boat in Italy to
partecipate to the ARC probably in 2012.

I took some picture of your boat in particular to remember the windpilot
installation that at my eyes was well made.

Can you tell me if you are satisfied of Hydrovane?

Do you have any suggestion to prepare my boat for the ARC after your
experience? Instrument, energy consumpion, sails, etc.

I saw a post from you before leaving to Grand Canaria concerning the weights
balance of the boat. Also mine has a list of about 5 degrees to port and frankly
speacking I don't like this in general. I will change my 8 people ocean heavy
life raft with a 6 people lighter one and also follow some suggestion that Bob
and Suzanne gave you.

Any comment and suggestion from you, or from any other in this forum, will be
highly appreciated.

Happy sailing and best regards.

Fabio Cavalieri

Italica (Santorin #28/91)

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