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Re: Door seal

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, I don't know why I could not find that,I knew I saw a post recently on this subject. I will order it today,
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
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Sent: Wed, Oct 27, 2021 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Door seal

Pat,

Mike Ondra is the one who found it. See this:





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On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:05 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I hate to bring up an old thread ,but I have tried to find a source for a new door seal in the old posts and have been unable to find one. I am running out of time to order one ,so I thought I would ask if someone has source to order  a new seal. 
Thank You,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: GE 4953 Aircraft sealed beam light LED replacement #replacement

 

I know they were the same at the beginning of production, but I do not know if they were the same throughout the 54 production.


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On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 3:24 AM Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:
Hi Vladan,

thank you for your info. I have check and found 2-3 online seller of the lamp. Before ordering,  do you know if the lamps on SM and A54 are the same? Maybe Bill will know?

Thank you.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: Gib Track Plugs

 

It will take 90-100, order 100

Bill


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On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 2:44 AM Slavko Despotovic <slavko@...> wrote:
As I am about to order plastic plugs from Amel and I am not on the boat, how many are there? Forgot to count :((.

Regards
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: Door seal

 

Pat,

Mike Ondra is the one who found it. See this:





CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:05 AM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I hate to bring up an old thread ,but I have tried to find a source for a new door seal in the old posts and have been unable to find one. I am running out of time to order one ,so I thought I would ask if someone has source to order  a new seal. 
Thank You,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Leaking deck hatch latch

Doug Smith
 

Hello,
I also went through the process of getting rid of the moisture coming through the hatches.  After doing the latches, I also found I was getting some moisture through the hinges, and so used the Butyl rubber to re-bed the hinges, as well as the latches.  The adhesive/sealant used previously was pretty worn out.

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

White Point Marina, Kinsale VA USA

 

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Martin Birkhoff <mbirkhoff@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 6:40 AM
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Leaking deck hatch latch

 

Hi all,

we had the same problems with all Southco-locks. Some of the O-rings were worn out, most of the pins were bent.

It was a problem to get O-rings with the same specifications. Finally we used O-rings with the following dimensions: Inner diameter 10 mm, outer diameter 13.8 mm, cord thickness 1.9 mm. A slightly thicker cord also works, but makes it difficult to insert the O-rings. It is important to grease the O-rings well.

We replaced the original pins with shear pins for the propeller of the Honda Bf 2.3 outboard. Diameter 3.3 mm, length 23 mm. Honda sparepart number 58131-ZV0-000.

It is necessary to drill out the diameter of the pin hole slightly to 3.3 mm. The pin can then be inserted with contact adhesive. However, it also works without adhesive, the spring pressure holds the pin in position.

 

Regards
Martin Birkhoff

SV Mago del Sur 54#40

currently Villasimius, Sardinia


Door seal

Patrick McAneny
 

I hate to bring up an old thread ,but I have tried to find a source for a new door seal in the old posts and have been unable to find one. I am running out of time to order one ,so I thought I would ask if someone has source to order  a new seal. 
Thank You,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Upgrade to Lithium batteries, detailed circuit #solution

Jose Venegas
 

Hello Slavko,
Ipanema was originally built for an American customer and, for that reason, AMEL added the white box outlets on the factory to allow the use of 110 V shore power via a transformer or the 220 V shore power.  I imagine most Amels buit for European owners did not have such a box.  I added the extra outlet to the box because it was the simplest way to get the 5KW inverter output into the circuit making sure that it was not going to interfere with the AMEL automatic relay connecting the Genset power but still gave power to the watermaker.  However, upon second thoughts, a manual 3 terminal switch could also have been installed on the shore power ac cable before it enters the automatic relay for the Genset power.     This would require bringing both the inverter and shore power cables to a convenient place in the boat, perhaps near the auto-pilot switch, or into a new box in the engine compartment ( less convenient but shorter cable runs).  As for the location of the 5KW inverter, I installed it on the bulkhead between the main saloon and the battery compartment.  In this way, I did not have to reduce the space for the lithium batteries. 


Re: Leaking deck hatch latch

Martin Birkhoff
 

Hi all,

we had the same problems with all Southco-locks. Some of the O-rings were worn out, most of the pins were bent.
It was a problem to get O-rings with the same specifications. Finally we used O-rings with the following dimensions: Inner diameter 10 mm, outer diameter 13.8 mm, cord thickness 1.9 mm. A slightly thicker cord also works, but makes it difficult to insert the O-rings. It is important to grease the O-rings well.
We replaced the original pins with shear pins for the propeller of the Honda Bf 2.3 outboard. Diameter 3.3 mm, length 23 mm. Honda sparepart number 58131-ZV0-000.
It is necessary to drill out the diameter of the pin hole slightly to 3.3 mm. The pin can then be inserted with contact adhesive. However, it also works without adhesive, the spring pressure holds the pin in position.
 
Regards
Martin Birkhoff
SV Mago del Sur 54#40
currently Villasimius, Sardinia


Re: Water heater cleaning #solution

JOSE PRIETO
 

The main problem is to remove the element because theres no space to turn the tool (55 mm hex wrench). There are two metal tubes that runout from the heater very close to the element.

Jose

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


Re: GE 4953 Aircraft sealed beam light LED replacement #replacement

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hi Vladan,

thank you for your info. I have check and found 2-3 online seller of the lamp. Before ordering,  do you know if the lamps on SM and A54 are the same? Maybe Bill will know?

Thank you.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: Gib Track Plugs

Slavko Despotovic
 

As I am about to order plastic plugs from Amel and I am not on the boat, how many are there? Forgot to count :((.

Regards
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Re: Bowman DC60-XCC Transmission Oil Cooler Failure; ZF Hurth ZF 25; Yanmar 4JH3-HTE #lessons

Lior Keydar
 

Hi everyone

I just wanted to inform you that I have ordered the Bowman DC60-XCC and it is exactly the same one that was installed on my A54 #18 (thank you Bill). The old one was in a good condition and I will keep it as a spare.

Best
Lior, SHARONA, A54 #18


Re: Upgrade to Lithium batteries, detailed circuit #solution

Slavko Despotovic
 

Hello Jose,

thank you for schematics and explanation, It is very helpful to me as our Amels are close by production numbers. Where did you install Inverter? In battery compartment? The white box is same on Amels built at that time or your is special option? I am not on my boat now so I can not check if mine have third input for 220V. What have you done with original battery chargers? 
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse in Croatia


Upgrade to Lithium batteries, detailed circuit #solution

Jose Venegas
 
Edited

 I am including here a schematic of the electrical system upgrade I did on Ipanema following the installation of Battleborn lithium batteries. The system is similar to that described by Brian for SV Delos with a few small differences.  On the schematic, all new devices are in orange and new connections in red.  Given that I installed the 5KW inverter next to the battery compartment it can generate enough power to run pretty much all the AC devices of Ipanema (not at the same time of course).  The main aim of the design was to minimize the need to modify any ac electrical connections inside the boat.  The only change I did was to add two relay switches to avoid the use of the battery chargers when the inverter was ON but still allow their use when the Genset was ON.  The main feature of the design was to use the already existing white box in the engine compartment that, in my boat had originally two electrical outlets: one for direct 220 V shore power and one for 120 shore power transformed to 220 V.  All I had to do was to bring the output of the 5KW inverter into a third outlet on the engine compartment white box via 30 amp 3 wire AC cable. (Not easy but a lot easier than passing several large DC cables from an inverter/charger installed in the engine compartment.  Here, the inverter is kept out of the engine compartment avoiding the heat while keeping the replacement battery chargers in the engine compartment and keeping the two existing medium-sized DC cables sending the charge to the battery bank.  Another advantage of this approach is that the Genset can be turned on at any time, and the existing AMEL solenoid automatically disconnects any connected AC power source connected on the white box.  To avoid the possibility that the battery chargers could remain active while the Genset was OFF and the inverter ON and connected as the power source on the white box,  I added two small 220V-220V relays to the ac panel to automatically turn OFF the input AC current to the battery chargers if the inverter was left ON. 
 
 I have used this system for more than 6 months in the Caribbean with excellent results.  Because we have a 60 Hz power source in most of the marinas of the Caribbean, I connect the 5 KW 240 volt 50 Hz inverter to the white box, if I am at a marina with 60Hz shore power, when I need to use the cloth, or the dishwashers, or the microwave oven, which need to be run with 50 Hz.
I have also used the water maker with the batteries for one hour, and during a second hour turned on the Genset to keep making water and charging 160 amps back into the batteries. So for one hour of Genset, I get two hours of water making.  Also, I have been able to cool the boat for a couple of hours before going to bed by running the AC with the lithium batteries leaving plenty of energy in the batteries to keep the standard DC loads running overnight before a good sunny morning helps the solar panels bring the batteries back to full. 
 In summary, this approach is simple to implement, leaves the AMEL AC circuits virtually intact, allows the use of all the AC 50 Hz devices, and more importantly, is simple to use.  No need to think about changing different switches for different conditions to create specific results.
Hope this can help anyone thinking to make the jump to Lithium

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278
RedFrog Marina, Bocas del Toro, Panama


Re: Leaking deck hatch latch

Arno Luijten
 

I had the same problem with all the Southco locks a few years back. All of them suffered from two problems, leakage between the housing and the GRP hatch because Amel was a bit too sparse with the Sikaflex and leakage trough the shaft of the lock. Take out the lock, clean it and re-seal with Sikaflex. At the same time you should take the lock apart by removing the small pin (careful not to loose it!), clean it and replace the O-ring using silicone grease.
When I spoke to Southco directly about revision sets they told me they don't do revision sets but you can always buy a new lock.... yeah, right.
So the black rubber cylinder in the lock is not so easy obtainable. But it also lasts longer then the O-ring.

Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Trust, but verify...

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, Our one regret about not returning to the Eastern C. is that we will not be able to meet up with friends we know will be there this winter. We of course include you in that group, we stopped by your boat a couple times while in St. Martin , a few years back, but you were not aboard,then again when we anchored in Long Is. where you live ,but there was a squall that evening. We will catch up with you one day.
I have my insurance with Gary Golden who owns Manifest Marine. He has been great to deal with ,but I miss the policy coverage and premium I had with Pantaenius ,I wish they had stayed in the US. market. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Oct 26, 2021 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Trust, but verify...

Hi Pat,
I was hoping we could meet up in the Caribbean.
 
I was wondering do you have offshore insurance, if so by what company?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 8:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Trust, but verify...
 
Eric, I kept a previous boat I owned in the BVIs for years, before buying the Amel in 2006 .we have spent a few winters on the Amel in the Eastern Caribbean as well ,so we thought we should give the Bahamas a try ,for a change. I know people that loved it and some not as much ,so we will see for ourselves. 
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2021 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Trust, but verify...
Hi Pat,
Where are you headed?
Fair Winds
ERIC
Kimberlite Amel SM 376
 
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:07 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Trust, but verify...
 
I recently had repairs done by a large and local yard , in my case they did more damage to my boat then they repaired. Towards the end as I tired of repairing their mistakes , even though I had paid them in full for the repairs ,I told them to stop work and that I would finish the repairs myself. I am at the point ,that I trust no one and would rather do the work myself ,if at all possible. 
I am taking my boat to Deltaville for a couple of issues on the way south ,I have heard good things about them and expect to have a good experience with them.
Pat
SM Shenanigans
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2021 12:17 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Trust, but verify...
Arno,

Unfortunately, these mechanics on this project were not at all amateurs, although their work was certainly substandard.  They were full time mechanics working for a major marine service firm. I don't want to point the finger at any specific organization, because that would dilute the message (and get me in trouble with the forum rules!)

This wasn't a case of something that was Amel specific being misunderstood.  Nor was it a case of hiring somebody who was a "shadetree mechanic."  The organization that did this install does MANY engine installs in a year in a major east coast yachting center.  I have no idea how many of them they get this badly wrong.  That's really not my point.  I really just want to push out the fact that these things happen, even with "well qualified" and referenced checked mechanics, and everybody need to be sure they have a way to protect themselves. Some of us have the technical background and skillset to mange the technical sides of these projects. Many others (most?) do not.  For those who are not comfortable evaluating the technical side of a complex boat upgrade project, there is a need to plan ahead to get a second opinion.

It is certainly fortunate to be in a position to be able to do everything yourself, but it is unrealistic to expect that to be an option for all owners.

In discussions I have had about this with people in the industry, the conclusion I have come to is that the really good, and smart, mechanics and other tradesmen, quickly learn to move "up market."  There is a LOT of opportunity for capable and competent people in the super yacht end of the business where the money and working conditions are a LOT better. Just as an example, one of the the best marine refrigeration and electrical businesses in Annapolis no longer works with private clients at all, only professional yacht managers are considered desirable clients.  I certainly understand WHY, but it is still a pain for us with boats that have annual maintenance budgets of less than 6 figures.  We are left with the second string...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Water heater cleaning #solution

 

Most of these give you good access when you remove the electric heating element. I have not opened a QUICK brand, just an Isotemp brand.

Once you look inside, you will never drink water from the water heater.😦
Bill



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:57 PM JOSE PRIETO <prietomd11@...> wrote:
Hi Bill!
I imagine the heater is original and has never been serviced.  The bonding wire is actually connected to one of the cover screws.  I want to remove this cover so I can access the inside of the heater and clean it.  I found the photo I'm attaching on the forum!  This heater is just like mine, and it was opened!

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


Re: Water heater cleaning #solution

JOSE PRIETO
 

Hi Bill!
I imagine the heater is original and has never been serviced.  The bonding wire is actually connected to one of the cover screws.  I want to remove this cover so I can access the inside of the heater and clean it.  I found the photo I'm attaching on the forum!  This heater is just like mine, and it was opened!

--
Jose Prieto
SV Wayag, SM 323
Currently Alicante, Spain


Re: Bow Thruster Travel Sensors H, B, and SP

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Paul, you can swap the sensors around but you have to open the control box and reposition the wires so they read correctly. I found that with a person at the helm and myself at the bow thruster we could slowly raise by activating the switch then putting the switch back at neutral thereby stopping movement. So if you switch the sensors around you can actually position the sensor halfway down the tube and select up and it should stop when it reaches the sensor.
Does that make sense.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai
Ft Lauderdale


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 5:13:12 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Cc: Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow Thruster Travel Sensors H, B, and SP
 
Paul,

You should speak to Mark McGovern (CC'd). As you know when Amel stopped supplying the PCB for the bow thruster Mark made some for Amel owners. Mark is intimately familiar with the PCB operation. 

Also, did you notice that there was a link to a video done by Mark on the page that I posted? If not here is a direct link to it. https://www.dropbox.com/s/yrrv3ixn2rxsd2l/Bowthruster%20and%20Sensors.mp4?dl=0 


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 3:59 PM Paul Stascavage via groups.io <pstas2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I read that one Bill and although is is going to be extremely helpful when I get to the adjustment phase, it doesn't help me to determine if my problem with the SP & H sensors not illuminating and H not functioning is due to not receiving power or being defective.  I would like to know a way to test if the sensors are getting power by testing at the control box or at the helm wiring.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring Norfolk, VA

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Bow Thruster Travel Sensors H, B, and SP

 

Paul,

You should speak to Mark McGovern (CC'd). As you know when Amel stopped supplying the PCB for the bow thruster Mark made some for Amel owners. Mark is intimately familiar with the PCB operation. 

Also, did you notice that there was a link to a video done by Mark on the page that I posted? If not here is a direct link to it. https://www.dropbox.com/s/yrrv3ixn2rxsd2l/Bowthruster%20and%20Sensors.mp4?dl=0 


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 3:59 PM Paul Stascavage via groups.io <pstas2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I read that one Bill and although is is going to be extremely helpful when I get to the adjustment phase, it doesn't help me to determine if my problem with the SP & H sensors not illuminating and H not functioning is due to not receiving power or being defective.  I would like to know a way to test if the sensors are getting power by testing at the control box or at the helm wiring.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Currently Exploring Norfolk, VA

www.RitaKathryn.com

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