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Re: Mango Headsail Question
svcharisma
Arlo, We have Mango #62, (1986). We have a removeable inner forestay that seems to be original equipment. We use this with a hank-on sail for the second head sail when sailing downwind. It works well. Alan sv Charisma
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Re: Keel rust and ballast straps on a Maramu
eric freedman
Steel is steel. If bare steel is exposed to salt water it will rust. It is very important to immediately prime the ballast as soon as it is sanded. Slight oxidation will cause the bottom paint to flake of. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Champness
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 10:26 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Keel rust and ballast straps on a Maramu
Fair enough, but setting my specific vessel aside, and asking about ballast and copper straps on Maramus in general:
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Re: IALA buoy system warning
Terrible!
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
He must have been very tired...... ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On May 30, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:
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Re: Keel rust and ballast straps on a Maramu
Jacob Champness
Fair enough, but setting my specific vessel aside, and asking about ballast and copper straps on Maramus in general:
1. If the copper strap is intact, then is it true that there would be no rusting of the ballast? 2. If the rust repair job is done perfectly (the ballast is sanded clean and shiny and then immediately sealed of), then is the copper strap even necessary? 3. Is it possible that a 1979 Maramu never had a strap? 4. If the strap were missing for several years from a Maramu that should have had it then what problems would you expect to see? 5. How have others physically managed to attach a strap at the bottom of the bilge on a Maramu? Does anyone have pictures of that job? 6. Could anyone who has the strap in place on their Maramu please comment on where it attaches at the other end from the ballast? 7. In general, how can you ever be sure that the upper surface of the ballast against the GRP stub is sealed and free of rust? Thanks! Jacob Champness Maramu #42, Lark St Augustine, USA
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IALA buoy system warning
Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Hello, Warning according to an incident yesterday in le Marin, Martinique. We observed an AMEL super maramu full sail up entering the bay. The captain left a green buoy at his starboard side and ended up shipwracked on the reef. We do not know all details of this incident. But be warned, here is the IALA buoy sytem B used opposite to europe with IALA system A. All european scippers need to pay attention. IALA A is used by countries in Africa, most of Asia, Australia, Europe and India. IALA B is used by countries in North, Central and South America, Japan, Korea and the Philippines. By mixing up the different color code you my end up on the reef. Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54 #39 Martinique
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Published May 28 2020 -- How to get to and depart from St Maarten
eric freedman
Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: Genoa Swivel - position + binding connection to the genoa top loop - Amel 54
Stefan Schaufert
Dear Arno, dear Bill,
thx a lot for your fast response, help and explanations. Seems that I had the wrong memories, despite I am only 50 years old ;-)) Now I have a better picture for the purpose of the 2 grooves. My Amel is not equipped to use them. I will hoist the genoa in the single slot and everything is fine again. Best regards Stefan Amel 54 119 Lady Charlyette, last day in Le Marin
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Re: Genoa Swivel - position + binding connection to the genoa top loop - Amel 54
To add to Bill's remark, the Ballooner and the Gennaker are NOT the same sails. I believe the Ballooner to be a bit less "baggy" compared to the Gennaker. This enables it to be furled together with the Genua.
When you look at Bill's picture you can see the latching mouse needs to go to the right slot (relative to the view of picture) and the releasing mouse is hoisted in the left slot (again relative to the picture). Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Genoa Swivel - position + binding connection to the genoa top loop - Amel 54
OK, I believe you are trying to raise the genoa on the wrong slot. The genoa goes into the isolated single slot. The other two slots which are close together are used by the Amel twin pole system. It is possible that your swivel and foil are also rigged with a tongue guide on the swivel. I am not sure what you have, but the aluminum tongue looks like this: Bill
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 8:27 PM Stefan Schaufert <mail@...> wrote: 2 +1 = 3 in sum
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Re: Keel rust and ballast straps on a Maramu
Jacob, I think it is impossible to answer your questions because the historical information is not available to you or me. An Amel the age of your Maramu has been through numerous owners and many changes. Yes, the "guys" doing the rust prevention job likely did not do it correctly, which is another non-spec. change. Trust me when I say, your Maramu has many of these. The next time your Maramu is out of the water, test continuity from one of the exposed iron spots to the zinc on the rudder. If no continuity, your iron ballast is not protected.
On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:48 AM Jacob Champness <jacob.champness@...> wrote: I've owned her for 2 years. I don't know about any work done on the ballast or the strap prior to that. I observed some small rust bubbles on the very bottom of the aft end of the ballast when we hauled in Guatemala a little over a year agoand had the them cleaned up and covered over but I don't think the guys there did a great job. I recently observed more of the same while cleaning the bottom in George Town.
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Mango Headsail Question
Arlo
Hello all. I have a 1985 Mango and looking at flying dual headsails for downwind running. I have figured out the Amel poles and wanted to know if there was originally a mouse that runs up the foil when raising the second headsail like on the SM's or if it requires a different approach.....How are my fellow Mango owners handling this?
Thanks Arlo
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Re: Keel rust and ballast straps on a Maramu
Jacob Champness
I've owned her for 2 years. I don't know about any work done on the ballast or the strap prior to that. I observed some small rust bubbles on the very bottom of the aft end of the ballast when we hauled in Guatemala a little over a year agoand had the them cleaned up and covered over but I don't think the guys there did a great job. I recently observed more of the same while cleaning the bottom in George Town.
Here's one more question I meant to ask above: How can you ever be sure that the upper surface of the ballast against the GRP stub is sealed and free of rust? Thanks again! Jacob Champness Maramu #42, Lark St Augustine, USA
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Re: Volvo parts
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Parts4Engines.com did not have the oil pressure sensor I was looking for, but these guys do:
https://www.volvopentashop.com/volspec/en-GB
I have also been advised recently by engineers to stick to genuine Volvo parts.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Townsend
Sent: 25 May 2020 21:57 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo parts
Yes. Parts4engines.com is excellent for us Volvo owners anywhere in the world.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- From: marklesparkle59 <marklesparkle59@...> Date: 2020-05-25 16:49 (GMT-05:00) Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo parts
Partsforengines.com seem good and were helpful. Mark Porter Sea Hobo Sharki96
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Hi,
Could someone recommend where to get Volvo parts online in the UK.
Cheers, Paul S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: Spurs line cutter on Amel 54
eric freedman
Hi Ulrich, The photo did not come through. The fixed Blade has a protrusion that fits into a V cut into the oil drain plug of the “C” Drive. I believe the blades are made for the Amel system and is not stock to Spurs. Attached please, find a photo of ½ of the fixed blade which broke on my spurs unit. If you will notice the V shaped part with 2 nylon “bumpers” this is half of what is missing from your spurs. This is the part that fits into the oil drain plug. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:17 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Spurs line cutter on Amel 54
Hi Eric,
THX so much. Another pic, not so good, from aside view.
For more detailed enclosed view, you can it enlarge. Hopfully the space between is just right enough to fit the second fixed blade. So I would order it from Spurs. From the US to Greece.
(Interesting and confusing is the picture shown in the Amels owners manual page 7-21, where are only a 1 set of blades shown. „semi cutter“ system?)
All the very best and THX Ulrich „SoleilBleu“ /A54 #088. <>
Am 28.05.2020 um 20:49 schrieb eric freedman <kimberlite@...>: There is supposed to be 2 sets of blades. In your photo I only see one. Could you send more photos? Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of ULRICH DANGELMEYER
Hi Eric, Hi all,
you are very right, I just find a picture from last year on the hard. This may be the original Amel setup from 2008.
SPURS type B(ravo).
But the 2. blade mounting and zinc missing. And in the owners manual (for options) I also find a picture from original setup (2008) like mine. Confusing. Any comments and recommendations for clarifying are very appreciated . Thanks to all.
Best wishes and stay safe! and Eric, good luck for your little escape :)
Ulrich „SoleilBleu54“ / A54 088.
<>
Am 28.05.2020 um 00:08 schrieb eric freedman <kimberlite@...>: If I am not mistaken the Model of the cutter is “B” Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Guenette via groups.io
Hi Ulrich,
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Re: Genoa Swivel - position + binding connection to the genoa top loop - Amel 54
Stefan Schaufert
2 +1 = 3 in sum
Best regards Stefan Amel 54 119 Lady Charlyette, currently Le Marin
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Re: Keel rust and ballast straps on a Maramu
Let's start by asking how long you have owned this Amel and what do you know about the previous work done on the boat?
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 7:42 PM Jacob Champness <jacob.champness@...> wrote: OK, I have read every thread about keel rust and copper ballast straps, and I have several questions.
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Keel rust and ballast straps on a Maramu
Jacob Champness
OK, I have read every thread about keel rust and copper ballast straps, and I have several questions.
1. If the copper strap is intact, then is it true that there would be no rusting of the ballast? 2. If the rust repair job is done perfectly (the ballast is sanded clean and shiny and then immediately sealed of), then is the copper strap even necessary? 3. My boat, Maramu #42 is 41 years old. There is no sign of a copper strap. Is it possible the strap was a later innovation and there never was one on my boat? 4. If it was supposed to be there and it has been missing for who knows how long, then what problems should I look for besides the rusty ballast? 5. How in the heck do you get a new strap attached at the bottom of the bilge? I mean like physically, how can you get a person and/or a tool into the bottom of the bilge on a Maramu? I might be able to do it if I removed the engine, but that seems a bit excessive. I mean if it's that or have the ballast fall off, I'll do it, but there must be an easier way, right? 6. What are you supposed to attach the other end of the ballast strap to? Since I have none in the first place, I'm not sure were it might've been supposed to go. Thanks so much for any thoughts and advice! Jacob Champness Maramu #42, Lark St Augustine, USA
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Re: Genoa Swivel - position + binding connection to the genoa top loop - Amel 54
Ok, how many slots on your foil? 1, 2, or 3? Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
On Thu, May 28, 2020, 5:04 PM Stefan Schaufert <mail@...> wrote: Dear Bill,
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Re: Genoa Swivel - position + binding connection to the genoa top loop - Amel 54
Hi,
Relax, the furler swivel is just as it should be. To enlighten you, the swivel is developed to fly two headsails simultaneously. Actually the Genua and the Ballooner (that is wat Amel calls it). If you look carefully you should notice three grooves in the foil. This setup is created for what is called "Tradewind sailing", two headsails, no main, downwind sailing. It starts with a poled out Genua to one side (I'm not sure which side). Next you hoist the ballooner using a plastic "mouse" at the top of the sail in the second groove. The mouse has a hook to it to connect the second halyard to. The two ends of the halyard need to be connected to each other as well, making it an endless loop. When the ballooner is up it latches inside the stainless "protection". Once it's latched you can pull the halyard out the hook in the plastic mouse. Using the second whisker-pole to pole-out the ballooner to the other side. If you now need to reduce sail because of a rain-squall or whatever, you can furl both sails together without getting the second halyard tangled. If you need to get the balooner down again there is a white color mouse that looks a bit different from the one on the ballooner. By hoisting this in the third groove you will release the latch that holds the ballooner up and you will be able to retrieve the sail. The ballooner sail is a little bit like a Code-0 sail. So the genua goes into the single groove in the foil on opposite of the two grooves that are next to each other. Standard Amel supplied the 54 (with ballooner option) with 4 mouse-sliders, two of each type and one of those connected to the top of the ballooner-sail. Regards, Arno Luijten, SV Luna, A54-121 PS Be very careful to remove the stainless "protector" from the swivel as the bolts tend to be frozen solid in the aluminum swivel. I had to drill one out on our boat.
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Re: Genoa Swivel - position + binding connection to the genoa top loop - Amel 54
Stefan Schaufert
Dear Bill,
no, it has 1 pole. Ballooner/ gennaker is separate furled in front of the genoa. But I like the possibility to have 2 genoa in the foil (butterfly) - very good experiences on my previous catamaran. And the genoa was attached in the left of the 2 grooves. Best regards Stefan Amel 54 119 Lady Charlyette, currently Le Marin
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