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Re: Diesel heater install

Darren Moore
 

Thanks Randall,

I have seen that episode, hydronic may be an easier option, much smaller hoses to get around.

Kind regards

Darren


On Sat, 31 Jul 2021, 12:07 Randall Walker, <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:
I recall Delos did a water heater install. They started in the Bahamas I think and finished the install stateside. Drilled manny holes though. Not something I would want but looked warm, for colder climates.
But there’s an avenue to head down.

Randall
A54#56

On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 18:11 Darren Moore <dmjetstar@...> wrote:
Good morning Eric and Bill,

Thank you for you comments, we still at the thinking stage at the moment which prompted my asking questions here,

I'm not convinced yet of which way to go, I like air for simplicity, I dislike hydronic because its power hungry with the circulation pump and fans (but does have better temperature control)

I was thinking with either system that I'd run the pipes through bulkheads well above the water line to protect the integrity.

I'd like to know if anyone had done the install and had pictures, I'll investigate also if TW3 has any obvious signs of the path that the fresh air system might have used.

Thank you both for your advice
--
Darren & Karen
SM171
Tradewinds III
Tasmania, Australia


--
Darren & Karen
SM171
Tradewinds III
Tasmania, Australia
Re: Diesel heater install

Randall Walker
 

I recall Delos did a water heater install. They started in the Bahamas I think and finished the install stateside. Drilled manny holes though. Not something I would want but looked warm, for colder climates.
But there’s an avenue to head down.

Randall
A54#56

On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 18:11 Darren Moore <dmjetstar@...> wrote:
Good morning Eric and Bill,

Thank you for you comments, we still at the thinking stage at the moment which prompted my asking questions here,

I'm not convinced yet of which way to go, I like air for simplicity, I dislike hydronic because its power hungry with the circulation pump and fans (but does have better temperature control)

I was thinking with either system that I'd run the pipes through bulkheads well above the water line to protect the integrity.

I'd like to know if anyone had done the install and had pictures, I'll investigate also if TW3 has any obvious signs of the path that the fresh air system might have used.

Thank you both for your advice
--
Darren & Karen
SM171
Tradewinds III
Tasmania, Australia

Re: Is this a standard addition?

Darren Moore
 

Hi Bill and Eric,

We have another transducer in a normal thruhull in the location you mentioned as well which I suspect may be a depth unit,

I'm wondering if the one shown in the photo is a depth transducer mounted in contact with the hull rather than through the hull, (don't want to unscrew anything whilst in water)

I guess I'll have to wait until our next haul out or until the water temperature is well above its current 11 degrees to jump in a see from underneath

Thanks for your help
--
Darren & Karen
SM171
Tradewinds III
Tasmania, Australia
Re: Diesel heater install

Darren Moore
 

Good morning Eric and Bill,

Thank you for you comments, we still at the thinking stage at the moment which prompted my asking questions here,

I'm not convinced yet of which way to go, I like air for simplicity, I dislike hydronic because its power hungry with the circulation pump and fans (but does have better temperature control)

I was thinking with either system that I'd run the pipes through bulkheads well above the water line to protect the integrity.

I'd like to know if anyone had done the install and had pictures, I'll investigate also if TW3 has any obvious signs of the path that the fresh air system might have used.

Thank you both for your advice
--
Darren & Karen
SM171
Tradewinds III
Tasmania, Australia
Re: Onan Generator Exhaust thru hull

eric freedman
 

Amel recommended 4200 and not silicone for this job.

Fair Winds’

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richie Whyte
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 8:28 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Onan Generator Exhaust thru hull

 

Hi Bill
Thank you for your reply and for allaying my fears. Your Amel criteria point is well taken. I went through the engine exhaust posts and unless I’m mistaken the preferred solution is to replace like with like..excavate the silicone out, replace the hose if needs be and reconstruct the silicone bung that the hose passes through.
Your suggestion would be the direction I would naturally lean towards however and inclined as I am to keep the boat as Amel as possible I suspect my marine contractor will agree…but we’ll see next week.

Many thanks for your help


Richie

Richie Whyte
Why Knot (formerly GUMA)
SM2K#261
On the hard, Kos Marina
Kos, Greece
Re: Diesel heater install

eric freedman
 

Hi,

I suggested a hot water system -hydronic- not a fresh air.

If you go with the hot air system, there are ways to make the bulkheads watertight. That arrangement came with Kimberlite when I added the fresh air system later converted to hot air.

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 8:19 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel heater install

 

Darren and Karen,

Running ductwork through a Super Maramu is a very tough task if you are not going to compromise the watertight bulkheads.  Because the watertight compartment design is one of the things about an Amel that is special, destroying it will compromise the value of the boat both to you and to any knowledgeable later purchaser.  

Not saying it can NOT be done, but some skilled engineering and shipwright’s skills will be needed.  Your best bet would be to tour an Amel installation or have someone with a boat where Amel installed the heater to send you LOTS of pictures.  Or as Eric suggests, the Amel “fresh air” system would also be a good model to use.

I am not sure what hull number these options were first offered, but I know that there were factory modifications to the design that made the install easier on later boats.

Good luck!  And stay warm!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Brunswick, GA (where staying warm right now is NOT a problem!)
Re: Onan code 3 subcode 4-1

Peter Forbes
 

What utter bliss a year on an Amel in Kalamata - that is what Amels are all about.

Brilliant and totally inspiring.

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango Amel 54 #035
La Rochelle - shortly bound for Lymington UK.
00447836 209730

On 30 Jul 2021, at 18:12, Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@gmail.com> wrote:

Welcome Giovanni and hi Elja

We arrived yesterday in Kalamata and will stay at least a year in the marina in the water.
First impressions very good, nice town and a wonderful part of Greece.

Best
Rink & Marloes
SY Razors Edge
SM2K #330

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 30 jul. 2021 om 19:49 heeft Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@gmx.de> het volgende geschreven:

He Giovanni
In Kalamata you can go an the Haed
We stay hire sinsce 5 yaers two times on the Hard

See you Elja
SM Balu 222
Kalamata

Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Re: Onan code 3 subcode 4-1

Rink De Haan
 

Welcome Giovanni and hi Elja

We arrived yesterday in Kalamata and will stay at least a year in the marina in the water.
First impressions very good, nice town and a wonderful part of Greece.

Best
Rink & Marloes
SY Razors Edge
SM2K #330

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 30 jul. 2021 om 19:49 heeft Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@gmx.de> het volgende geschreven:

He Giovanni
In Kalamata you can go an the Haed
We stay hire sinsce 5 yaers two times on the Hard

See you Elja
SM Balu 222
Kalamata

Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Re: Onan code 3 subcode 4-1

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Giovanni
In Kalamata you can go an the Haed
We stay hire sinsce 5 yaers two times on the Hard

See you Elja
SM Balu 222
Kalamata

Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Re: Onan Generator Exhaust thru hull

Ron Hynes
 

For what it’s worth, I have a 1976 Amel Meltem and the generator and engine exhaust are combined into a fiberglass “Y” that is fiberglassed into the hull and exits on the port side just above the waterline. I am in the process of re-powering and the new turbo charged Diesel requires a 3 inch exhaust. Since I no longer have a generator, I plan to cut out the “Y” and glass in a new 3 inch tube. I like the idea of a flap on the exhaust to prevent backflushing sea water into the engine and may employ this. The former owner destroyed  two engines when sea water entered the engine from following seas, once across the Pacific and then again across the Indian Ocean before putting in a ball valve. I never liked the ball valve since it reduced a minimally sized exhaust by about 30%. Probably explains why I am on my third lift muffler due to excessive pressure caused by the restriction of the undersized exhaust.

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Jul 30, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Ruslan Osmonov <rosmonov@...> wrote:

Hi Richie, 
I think Amel did it on purpose. Hot salt water will corrode metal pretty fast and if you go with metal you it will become constant maintenance/replacement issue. 
after all it served you for more than 20 years 🙂 without much maintenance on your side. 
I would look into either doing the same, or look at what Amel did later with 54s as they added a flap to prevent back flow (per my understanding). 
Another option to look into things like marelon or other non corrosive seacocks, that can deal with heat.

Regards, 
Ruslan. 
(in search of one)

Re: Onan Generator Exhaust thru hull

Ruslan Osmonov
 
Edited

Hi Richie, 
I think Amel did it on purpose. Hot salt water will corrode metal pretty fast and if you go with metal it will become constant maintenance/replacement issue. 
after all it served you for more than 20 years 🙂 without much maintenance on your side. 
I would look into either doing the same, or look at what Amel did later with 54s as they added a flap to prevent back flow (per my understanding). 
Another option to look into things like marelon or other non corrosive seacocks, that can deal with heat.

Regards, 
Ruslan. 
(in search of one)
Re: Onan Generator Exhaust thru hull

Richie Whyte
 

Hi Bill
Thank you for your reply and for allaying my fears. Your Amel criteria point is well taken. I went through the engine exhaust posts and unless I’m mistaken the preferred solution is to replace like with like..excavate the silicone out, replace the hose if needs be and reconstruct the silicone bung that the hose passes through.
Your suggestion would be the direction I would naturally lean towards however and inclined as I am to keep the boat as Amel as possible I suspect my marine contractor will agree…but we’ll see next week.

Many thanks for your help


Richie

Richie Whyte
Why Knot (formerly GUMA)
SM2K#261
On the hard, Kos Marina
Kos, Greece
Re: Diesel heater install

Bill Kinney
 

Darren and Karen,

Running ductwork through a Super Maramu is a very tough task if you are not going to compromise the watertight bulkheads.  Because the watertight compartment design is one of the things about an Amel that is special, destroying it will compromise the value of the boat both to you and to any knowledgeable later purchaser.  

Not saying it can NOT be done, but some skilled engineering and shipwright’s skills will be needed.  Your best bet would be to tour an Amel installation or have someone with a boat where Amel installed the heater to send you LOTS of pictures.  Or as Eric suggests, the Amel “fresh air” system would also be a good model to use.

I am not sure what hull number these options were first offered, but I know that there were factory modifications to the design that made the install easier on later boats.

Good luck!  And stay warm!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Brunswick, GA (where staying warm right now is NOT a problem!)
Re: Rocna 33 anchor- does it fits without modification on Super Maramu 2000

Slavko Despotovic
 


Thank you all for valuable information. I have ordered Rocna33. Maybe I am on the light side with this but I am convinced that anchoring system is not just anchor but is chain as well plus knowledge of the skipper.  Windlass is 1500w and pulling deep buried anchor can be an issue. I do not want to use boat engine to get anchor out of the ground. Will see how it works. There is always a possibility to buy a bigger one. On top od if as covid goes I do not think that I will go any further than Med in near future. World ARC 2022 have been canceled yesterday. Just to confirm that sailing long distance in near future might be problem.

Slavko
SM 2000
#279 Bonne Anse sailing Croatia
Re: Onan code 3 subcode 4-1

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi all,
 Im planning to leave Eutikia on the hard at Kalamata Marina. Do you know if the pool liftout draft is enough for SM 2k? Any suggestion about Marina professional workers?
Many thanks
Giovanni Testa
EUTIKIA SM2K 428
Peloponneso Elafonisos

Il Ven 30 Lug 2021, 10:49 Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> ha scritto:
Yes Jany in Kalamata is a good one he reparierd my onan thith winter in a perfekt and cheap way
I stay here the boat in Kalamata since 5 yaers and Janny manages al the works perkekt .

+30 693 2662481

Good luck Elja
SM Balu 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Re: Onan code 3 subcode 4-1

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Yes Jany in Kalamata is a good one he reparierd my onan thith winter in a perfekt and cheap way
I stay here the boat in Kalamata since 5 yaers and Janny manages al the works perkekt .

+30 693 2662481

Good luck Elja
SM Balu 222

Von meinem iPhone gesendet
Re: Intermittent starting issue

eric freedman
 

Pat,

After rewiring 2 engines in my boat, I believe you would be hard pressed to find someone who understood the system, beside another Amel owning nut job like myself.

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 7:26 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Intermittent starting issue

 

Eric, I have a Volvo TMD22A , the engine itself has been great , it generally starts the second I turn the key. 

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2021 6:03 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Intermittent starting issue

Hi Pat,

What engine do you have?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 8:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Intermittent starting issue

 

Eric , I agree there are many connections ,contact points and faults in wiring ,any one of which could be responsible for a starting problem. I also occasionally have an issue , where the engine does not shut down when I turn the key. I wish I better understood the electrical system , its a bit complex for me to trouble shoot sometimes. If it were possible to find a competent mechanic nearby ,I would gladly hire him for a day to assess my systems.

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2021 4:08 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Intermittent starting issue

There are a umber of things that can cause intermittent starting issues. The Valeo solenoid requires a lot of current to close it.

 

One ghost I found was behind the panel on my Yanmar. For some reason Amel installed a butt connector in the start wiring circuit. When you turn the key, everything works and the Valeo solenoid tries to close. After removing the butt connector and soldering the wires that issue went away. There are a lot of goblins in the starting circuit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:23 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Intermittent starting issue

 

Pat,

Intermittent failures can be such… fun.

If I understand correctly, when you have this issue with starting, the blowers do not run as well.  That narrows down the likely causes quite a bit.  

The key switch, or the wiring around it would be my prime suspect, although it could be other things too.  12V power comes from the engine, up to the key switch.  When the switch is “ON” the power is sent back to the engine, and to the relays that turn on the blowers.  If the blowers and the starter are showing common failure, then the fault must be before the wires divide on the positive side, or maybe after they come together on the negative side back to the battery.

Another place to look is the isolating relay in the ground wire.  If that is intermittent in operation, or has bad contacts, to could interrupt the circuit on the return side.  I think this is unlikely, because the blower negative return is connected on the battery side of this. Other than those two, its a matter of pulling and cleaning connections to be sure contact is good.

Key switches on both Volvo and Yanmar panels are not 100% waterproof, maybe a bit less so with the key left in.  A drop or two of salt water inside, and things can get unreliable. I have never disassembled one to clean it, although I have replaced them.

Bill Kinney
SM Harmonie
Brunswick, GA, USA

Re: Is this a standard addition?

eric freedman
 

Amel installed my Raymarine speed transducer about 1 foot aft of the one in the photo.

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376’

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 7:38 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Is this a standard addition?

 

Not sure, but that is generally the location of the Amel-installed forward-looking transducer.

I believe the vast majority of SMs of the age of SM 171 have had SOW transducers added because of the failures of the B&G Sonic Speed, however, if this is a SOW transducer, I believe it is a little too far forward.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 10:47 PM Darren Moore <dmjetstar@...> wrote:

Hello,
We were wondering if anyone knows what this setup is, is it usual in a SM?

It appears to have a Airmar transducer in it

Thanks for your help

--
Darren & Karen
SM171
Tradewinds III
Tasmania, Australia

Re: Diesel heater install

eric freedman
 

Hi,

A friend of mine with an Amel just installed a Espar hydronic heater in his boat. He even put a blower in the cockpit.

The hydronic unit seems to be a much simpler installation than a forced air unit. When I had Kimberlite made it came with forced air ventilation which was easy to convert to heat. Running that duct would be much more difficult as a refit.

Did you look at a hydronic unit? It has thermostats in each cabin.

Fair Winds

ERIC

Kimberlite Amel SM 376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darren Moore
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 12:08 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel heater install

 

Hello,

We are looking at installing a Diesel heater to our 1996 Super Maramu

Currently looking at a Wallas Spartan 4.5kw unit which has three in and out ports, we'd like to run a port to the Saloon, main cabin and forward guest cabin

Does anyone have any experience with this heater?

Has any one ran 75mm (3 inch) warm air duct through their boat? did you find any good paths or impossible paths

Kindest regards 
--
Darren & Karen
SM171
Tradewinds III
Tasmania, Australia

Re: Onan code 3 subcode 4-1

tony wells
 

Hi Jeff

In my experience, Ioannis is a solid all-round engineer who may be able to help you, at Kalamata Marina. You can reach him on +30 693 2662481. 

Good luck and enjoy the fabulous Peloponnese!

Tony
Previously an A54 owner 




On 29 Jul 2021, at 18:51, Jeff Williams <jeff99williams@...> wrote:

Hi All,
My Onan is acting up.  Can anyone recommend a good Onan guy?  I'm near Pilos on the west side of the Peloponnise in Greece.
I will head to Athens if I need to but would prefer to fix it sooner if possible.  
Thanks!
Jeff 
s/v Spruzzo SM#379

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