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Re: [Amel] Sharki engine replacement

Bsarff <bsarff@...>
 

What engine do you have now? What is availability of service on the Beta?

Bob

Maramu
hin173

On Feb 14, 2012, at 8:56 AM, "dworthington30" <dworthington30@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi All
Our 1987 Sharki has 8400 hours on the engine and I have decided to replace it with a Beta 43. Beta marinised engines are Kubota based and both the engines and the company come highly recommended by the owners I have spoken to. The transmission will be replaced as part of the package and it looks as though the whole thing should 'just drop in'.
I will let you know
David Worthington
Spirito Affine
Sharki 148


Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

Bsarff <bsarff@...>
 

I was thinking it would be better not to have the turbo since it's one more thing to fail. I' still waiting the hear the availability of both these engines.

Bon



On Feb 14, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

As a bit more input for you, I was going to go the 54 so I did not have to worry
about a turbo. My local Yanmar dealer who is recognized nationally for his
expertise in repowers, recomended that I put in the 73 because of the turbo. He
said it would get better performance and economy with the turbo, even at cruise
speed. Overall you will get better fuel economy with the new motor. My dealer
guestimated 18% increase before the repower, and that is about what it ended up
being. I now do about 6.5 knots in perfect conditions burning 1 gph, where I
used to burn 1.3.

Eric Maramu 105

________________________________
From: "bsarff@comcast.net" <bsarff@comcast.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 7:00:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement


Thanks for your input. I'm still nervous about reducing HP but I'll look into
it further. A gain...Thanks!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Lindholm" <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:32:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement



I was going to do the same thing, but as I indicated the ZF 25 and 30 were both
unavailable for at least 4 months, and I figured it would be 6. You might want
to check on the current availability. I decided to have my trans opened up to
have it checked, and it showed almost no wear after 15 years (the original was
replaced in 1990) and 4500 hours. It takes 28 hp to drive a Maramu 6.5 knots, so

the 54 should be fine. Have fun.

Eric Maramu 105

________________________________
From: " bsarff@comcast.net " < bsarff@comcast.net >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 13, 2012 4:20:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement



Thanks Eric. This is great information. The dealer is saying that the 54 hp
engine is also a good match for replacing the 60 hp Perkins I know have. I
don't know if this is true or not. The zf 30 is very close to the ZF 25 and
Hp rating so I'm leaning toward buying a complete engine/trans package which
will give me a 5 year warrenty on both units. The 54 hp unit if more readily
available which is why I'm considering it.

Does anyone have a thought on installing a 54 hp Yanmar in at Maramu?

Thanks to everyone who has replied/commented on my inquiry.

Bob

Maramu Hin 173

----- Original Message -----

From: "Eric Lindholm" etlindholm@sbcglobal.net
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:26:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement



Bob, I replaced my motor with the Yanmar 4JH4, and used my original
transmission, which I think is the same as yours. I had my transmission rebuilt
as needed by a local shop. I was going to get a new trans, but ZF (who bought
out Hurth) was back ordered 6 months. It ended up that by using my old trans the

installation was a lot easier. First you can use your old rear motor mounts. The

Hurth trans bolts up to an adapter plate, that will bolt directly on the Yanmar.

The rear motor mounts are mounted to this adapter plate. The Yanmar supplied
rear mounts are bolted to the engine. The Yanmar engine mounts are on 18 inch
centers, whereas the engine beds and your old mounts are on 22 1/2 inch centers.

By using your old trans and adapter plate you eliminate a lot of alignment
issues. It may be that the ZF gearbox will mount on this adapter plate, and you
could do the same thing, but I don't know. When I installed my engine, I was
able to use new rubber engine mounts (not the Yanmar, they are to tall) and the
rear mounts lined up exactly with the original Amel mounting bolts. On the front

mounts I bolted a 1/2 steel plate on the original engine bed, using the original

Amel mounting bolts, to bring it in to the 18 inch centers required for the
Yanmar engine mount alignment. The other advantage to using the original
trans is I was able to keep my shaft mounted alternator, without having to
fabricate a new mount. If you go with a new trans, I would not go with any down

angle, as you will have to do considerable modification to the engine beds. The
front of the engine will have to be dropped about 6 inches, and you will
therefore have to remove that much of you engine beds I believe. The engine beds

have steel plates embedded in them into which the original motors mounts are
bolted. Very strong. I was able to reuse all of them. Handy. The only thing to
have to modify on the engine beds with the original trans, is the area around
the oil filter, which comes out of the right hand side, right at the level of
the top of the engine bed. You have to cut it out in a half moon shape about an
inch.

The engine swap was actually quite simple, and I can provide you with photos of
my install, if you go a similar route.

Eric, Maramu 105

________________________________
From: Bob Sarff < bsarff@comcast.net >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, February 10, 2012 10:14:15 AM
Subject: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement


I'm looking to replace my Perkins 4.154 engine with a Hurth HBW 250-3R trans
with a gear ratio of 2.74 soon and would like your opinion of a couple of
options. I know some of you have replaced your motors with the Yanmar 4JH4-TE.
Did you replace the transmission at the same time or rebuild your old one? If
you purchases a new one, which model did you purchase. My concern at this point
is that the dealer I'm working with shows transmissions that have a 7 degree
down angle and the one I have has an offset rather then a down angle.

Has anyone used the 75 hp Volvo instead of the Yanmar. Is there an
advandage/disadvantage either way?

Thanks for any advise you can provide.

Bob
S/V Chara
Hin 173

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Sharki engine replacement

dworthington30 <dworthington30@...>
 

Hi All
Our 1987 Sharki has 8400 hours on the engine and I have decided to replace it with a Beta 43. Beta marinised engines are Kubota based and both the engines and the company come highly recommended by the owners I have spoken to. The transmission will be replaced as part of the package and it looks as though the whole thing should 'just drop in'.
I will let you know
David Worthington
Spirito Affine
Sharki 148


Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

Eric Lindholm
 

As a bit more input for you, I was going to go the 54 so I did not have to worry
about a turbo. My local Yanmar dealer who is recognized nationally for his
expertise in repowers, recomended that I put in the 73 because of the turbo. He
said it would get better performance and economy with the turbo, even at cruise
speed. Overall you will get better fuel economy with the new motor. My dealer
guestimated 18% increase before the repower, and that is about what it ended up
being. I now do about 6.5 knots in perfect conditions burning 1 gph, where I
used to burn 1.3.

Eric Maramu 105




________________________________
From: "bsarff@comcast.net" <bsarff@comcast.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 14, 2012 7:00:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 
Thanks for your input.  I'm still nervous about reducing HP but I'll look into
it further.  A gain...Thanks!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Lindholm" <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:32:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 

I was going to do the same thing, but as I indicated the ZF 25 and 30 were both
unavailable for at least 4 months, and I figured it would be 6. You might want
to check on the current availability. I decided to have my trans opened up to
have it checked, and it showed almost no wear after 15 years (the original was
replaced in 1990) and 4500 hours. It takes 28 hp to drive a Maramu 6.5 knots, so

the 54 should be fine. Have fun.

Eric Maramu 105

________________________________
From: " bsarff@comcast.net " < bsarff@comcast.net >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 13, 2012 4:20:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 

Thanks Eric.  This is great information.   The dealer is saying that the 54 hp
engine is also a good match for replacing the 60 hp Perkins I know have.  I
don't know if this is true or not. The zf 30 is very close to the ZF 25    and
Hp rating so I'm leaning toward buying a complete engine/trans package which
will give me a 5 year warrenty on both units.  The 54 hp unit if more readily
available which is why I'm considering it. 

Does anyone have a thought on installing a 54 hp Yanmar in at Maramu? 

Thanks to everyone who has replied/commented on my inquiry.

Bob

Maramu Hin 173

----- Original Message -----

From: "Eric Lindholm" etlindholm@sbcglobal.net
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:26:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 

Bob, I replaced my motor with the Yanmar 4JH4, and used my original
transmission, which I think is the same as yours. I had my transmission rebuilt
as needed by a local shop. I was going to get a new trans, but ZF (who bought
out Hurth) was back ordered 6 months. It ended up that by using my old trans the


installation was a lot easier. First you can use your old rear motor mounts. The


Hurth trans bolts up to an adapter plate, that will bolt directly on the Yanmar.


The rear motor mounts are mounted to this adapter plate. The Yanmar supplied
rear mounts are bolted to the engine. The Yanmar engine mounts are on 18 inch
centers, whereas the engine beds and your old mounts are on 22 1/2 inch centers.


By using your old trans and adapter plate you eliminate a lot of alignment
issues. It may be that the ZF gearbox will mount on this adapter plate, and you
could do the same thing, but I don't know. When I installed my engine, I was
able to use new rubber engine mounts (not the Yanmar, they are to tall) and the
rear mounts lined up exactly with the original Amel mounting bolts. On the front


mounts I bolted a 1/2 steel plate on the original engine bed, using the original


Amel mounting bolts, to bring it in to the 18 inch centers required for the
Yanmar engine mount alignment. The other advantage to using the original
trans is I was able to keep my shaft mounted alternator, without having to
fabricate a new mount.  If you go with a new trans, I would not go with any down


angle, as you will have to do considerable modification to the engine beds. The
front of the engine will have to be dropped about 6 inches, and you will
therefore have to remove that much of you engine beds I believe. The engine beds


have steel plates embedded in them into which the original motors mounts are
bolted. Very strong. I was able to reuse all of them. Handy. The only thing to
have to modify on the engine beds with the original trans, is the area around
the oil filter, which comes out of the right hand side, right at the level of
the top of the engine bed. You have to cut it out in a half moon shape about an
inch.

The engine swap was actually quite simple, and I can provide you with photos of
my install, if you go a similar route.

Eric, Maramu 105

________________________________
From: Bob Sarff < bsarff@comcast.net >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, February 10, 2012 10:14:15 AM
Subject: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 
I'm looking to replace my Perkins 4.154 engine with a Hurth HBW 250-3R trans
with a gear ratio of 2.74 soon and would like your opinion of a couple of
options. I know some of you have replaced your motors with the Yanmar 4JH4-TE.
Did you replace the transmission at the same time or rebuild your old one? If
you purchases a new one, which model did you purchase. My concern at this point
is that the dealer I'm working with shows transmissions that have a 7 degree
down angle and the one I have has an offset rather then a down angle.

Has anyone used the 75 hp Volvo instead of the Yanmar. Is there an
advandage/disadvantage either way?

Thanks for any advise you can provide.

Bob
S/V Chara
Hin 173

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Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

bsarff@...
 

Thanks for your input.  I'm still nervous about reducing HP but I'll look into it further.  A gain...Thanks!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Lindholm" <etlindholm@sbcglobal.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:32:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 




I was going to do the same thing, but as I indicated the ZF 25 and 30 were both
unavailable for at least 4 months, and I figured it would be 6. You might want
to check on the current availability. I decided to have my trans opened up to
have it checked, and it showed almost no wear after 15 years (the original was
replaced in 1990) and 4500 hours. It takes 28 hp to drive a Maramu 6.5 knots, so
the 54 should be fine. Have fun.

Eric Maramu 105

________________________________
From: " bsarff@comcast.net " < bsarff@comcast.net >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 13, 2012 4:20:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 

Thanks Eric.  This is great information.   The dealer is saying that the 54 hp
engine is also a good match for replacing the 60 hp Perkins I know have.  I
don't know if this is true or not. The zf 30 is very close to the ZF 25    and
Hp rating so I'm leaning toward buying a complete engine/trans package which
will give me a 5 year warrenty on both units.  The 54 hp unit if more readily
available which is why I'm considering it. 

Does anyone have a thought on installing a 54 hp Yanmar in at Maramu? 

Thanks to everyone who has replied/commented on my inquiry.

Bob

Maramu Hin 173

----- Original Message -----

From: "Eric Lindholm" etlindholm@sbcglobal.net
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:26:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 

Bob, I replaced my motor with the Yanmar 4JH4, and used my original
transmission, which I think is the same as yours. I had my transmission rebuilt
as needed by a local shop. I was going to get a new trans, but ZF (who bought
out Hurth) was back ordered 6 months. It ended up that by using my old trans the

installation was a lot easier. First you can use your old rear motor mounts. The

Hurth trans bolts up to an adapter plate, that will bolt directly on the Yanmar.

The rear motor mounts are mounted to this adapter plate. The Yanmar supplied
rear mounts are bolted to the engine. The Yanmar engine mounts are on 18 inch
centers, whereas the engine beds and your old mounts are on 22 1/2 inch centers.

By using your old trans and adapter plate you eliminate a lot of alignment
issues. It may be that the ZF gearbox will mount on this adapter plate, and you
could do the same thing, but I don't know. When I installed my engine, I was
able to use new rubber engine mounts (not the Yanmar, they are to tall) and the
rear mounts lined up exactly with the original Amel mounting bolts. On the front

mounts I bolted a 1/2 steel plate on the original engine bed, using the original

Amel mounting bolts, to bring it in to the 18 inch centers required for the
Yanmar engine mount alignment. The other advantage to using the original
trans is I was able to keep my shaft mounted alternator, without having to
fabricate a new mount.  If you go with a new trans, I would not go with any down

angle, as you will have to do considerable modification to the engine beds. The
front of the engine will have to be dropped about 6 inches, and you will
therefore have to remove that much of you engine beds I believe. The engine beds

have steel plates embedded in them into which the original motors mounts are
bolted. Very strong. I was able to reuse all of them. Handy. The only thing to
have to modify on the engine beds with the original trans, is the area around
the oil filter, which comes out of the right hand side, right at the level of
the top of the engine bed. You have to cut it out in a half moon shape about an
inch.

The engine swap was actually quite simple, and I can provide you with photos of
my install, if you go a similar route.

Eric, Maramu 105

________________________________
From: Bob Sarff < bsarff@comcast.net >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, February 10, 2012 10:14:15 AM
Subject: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 
I'm looking to replace my Perkins 4.154 engine with a Hurth HBW 250-3R trans
with a gear ratio of 2.74 soon and would like your opinion of a couple of
options. I know some of you have replaced your motors with the Yanmar 4JH4-TE.
Did you replace the transmission at the same time or rebuild your old one? If
you purchases a new one, which model did you purchase. My concern at this point
is that the dealer I'm working with shows transmissions that have a 7 degree
down angle and the one I have has an offset rather then a down angle.

Has anyone used the 75 hp Volvo instead of the Yanmar. Is there an
advandage/disadvantage either way?

Thanks for any advise you can provide.

Bob
S/V Chara
Hin 173

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Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Mike,
Many thanks for the information it is most helpful.
 
Regards
Graham
 


________________________________
From: Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2012, 1:00
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement


 
Graham,
    No, I did not do it myself - I had no repair manual, and I was told that the job is simpler with a couple of "special" tools that all ZF/Hurth agents have in their workshop.
   The symptoms that you notice are:- ( you can get some or all!!)

1. A longer than normal pause between selecting a gear and the drive engaging.
2. No reverse gear
3. Discoloured gearbox fluid - sometimes it smells "burnt"
4. A major leak from the oil seals.

The parts for the ZF25 are all included in what is called, I believe, a rebuild kit, which does not include a damper plate. 

On the Santorin, you have to remove the water and exhaust hoses at the front of the engine; "split" the drive train; remove the engine hold down bolts and slide the whole engine aft about 2-3". The gearbox can then be removed, and taken to a workshop.

If you have a ZF/Hurth agent near you they should have all the tools, and the manuals. However, there are plenty in Europe, so if you don't have a problem, and all is working well.......

What I would do is check the fluid in the gearbox by pumping it out into a clear container and then looking carefully for any specks of "dark matter" or cloudiness. If either is there, then I would get the gearbox off and get it rebuilt.

Hope this helps

Mike

SN027

________________________________
From: Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement


 
Mike,
 
As we have a PerkinsM50, 4500hrs, with the Hurth gearbox and shaft alternator in our Sharki and so I guess a clucth disc replacement will be due at some time, possibly soon. Do you do the work yourself and if so are there any special tools needed?
The reason I ask is because if all goes well we hope to be leaving for the UK an exteneded cruise later this year and I would like to know what is involved and to have the necessary gear on board.
 
Do you happen to have a copy of the repair manual as I did have one for a previous boat but I let it go with the boat when she was sold. 
 
Regards
Graham

________________________________
From: Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2012, 0:54
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 
Bob,
   If you have the Perkins M50 on your Maramu, then I believe the gearbox is now called the ZF25, (ZF acquired Hurth some time ago).
   I'm coming up to 9000 hrs on the Perkins fitted to my Santorin, and the only time I had an overheat problem was when the circular seal on the heat exchanger tube became misplaced. The only non standard fitting I have on the engine is the Australian 4M full flow oil and fuel filters. I think they are superb, and as the filter elements are toilet rolls, once installed the running costs are negligible. Coming through Indonesia, where the fuel was definitely suspect, I used 2 (yes two) rolls, when others were using 8 or 9 engine fuel filters.
   By the way, if you have the Hurth HBW250, (now the ZF25) with the shaft alternator, you should expect to get between 23-25000 sea miles out of a set of drive discs. At just over 70,000 sea miles, I'm just installing my 3rd rebuild kit. A little early, but we have done a lot of motor sailing in the last few years.
   Also, when you have the drive train split, consider changing the damper plate on the engine, the old ones had springs and after a while they "rattle" at idle - the new ones have a synthetic flex coupling

All the best

Mike
SN 027

________________________________
From: Jim Dernehl <jim.dernehl@operatingtech.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 
Bob,
I successfully replaced my Perkins with a Westerbeke 85B several years ago
and used the standard Hurth transmission that came with it. At that time my
Perkins was overheating and I wanted to use a naturally aspirated diesel
engine for greater reliability.
Best Jim Dernehl
Pao-San #88

On 2/10/12 12:14 PM, "Bob Sarff" <bsarff@comcast.net> wrote:






I'm looking to replace my Perkins 4.154 engine with a Hurth HBW 250-3R trans
with a gear ratio of 2.74 soon and would like your opinion of a couple of
options. I know some of you have replaced your motors with the Yanmar
4JH4-TE. Did you replace the transmission at the same time or rebuild your
old one? If you purchases a new one, which model did you purchase. My
concern at this point is that the dealer I'm working with shows transmissions
that have a 7 degree down angle and the one I have has an offset rather then a
down angle.

Has anyone used the 75 hp Volvo instead of the Yanmar. Is there an
advandage/disadvantage either way?

Thanks for any advise you can provide.

Bob
S/V Chara
Hin 173




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Re: [Amel] Re: Parasailor

eric freedman
 

We have had wonderful experiences with out gennaker with an ATN sock. I
believe it is about 1400 sq feet. I think Pen Azen also has one.

While crossing the Atlantic we had it up for 7 days straight in true wind of
25-30 knots. Averaged I think about 10 knots.

The sail was made by Doyle and is 1 ½ Oz material.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:21 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Parasailor





I think Parasailors have been discussed before on this group and that there
was some potential issue about horizontal stress loads generated with this
type sail and that Amel's rigging might not be designed for this type load.
Might be something to discuss with the Parasailor vendor.

Judy
S/V BeBe
SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "bozo_cinq" <bozocinq@...>
wrote:

Does anybody use a "Parasailor" sail? We are thinking about purchasing
one.

Thanks,
Gary




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Re: Parasailor

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

I think Parasailors have been discussed before on this group and that there was some potential issue about horizontal stress loads generated with this type sail and that Amel's rigging might not be designed for this type load. Might be something to discuss with the Parasailor vendor.

Judy
S/V BeBe
SM2 #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "bozo_cinq" <bozocinq@...> wrote:

Does anybody use a "Parasailor" sail? We are thinking about purchasing one.

Thanks,
Gary


Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

Eric Lindholm
 

I was going to do the same thing, but as I indicated the ZF 25 and 30 were both
unavailable for at least 4 months, and I figured it would be 6. You might want
to check on the current availability. I decided to have my trans opened up to
have it checked, and it showed almost no wear after 15 years (the original was
replaced in 1990) and 4500 hours. It takes 28 hp to drive a Maramu 6.5 knots, so
the 54 should be fine. Have fun.


Eric Maramu 105




________________________________
From: "bsarff@comcast.net" <bsarff@comcast.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 13, 2012 4:20:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 


Thanks Eric.  This is great information.   The dealer is saying that the 54 hp
engine is also a good match for replacing the 60 hp Perkins I know have.  I
don't know if this is true or not. The zf 30 is very close to the ZF 25    and
Hp rating so I'm leaning toward buying a complete engine/trans package which
will give me a 5 year warrenty on both units.  The 54 hp unit if more readily
available which is why I'm considering it. 


Does anyone have a thought on installing a 54 hp Yanmar in at Maramu? 

Thanks to everyone who has replied/commented on my inquiry.

Bob

Maramu Hin 173

----- Original Message -----

From: "Eric Lindholm" etlindholm@sbcglobal.net
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:26:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 

Bob, I replaced my motor with the Yanmar 4JH4, and used my original
transmission, which I think is the same as yours. I had my transmission rebuilt
as needed by a local shop. I was going to get a new trans, but ZF (who bought
out Hurth) was back ordered 6 months. It ended up that by using my old trans the

installation was a lot easier. First you can use your old rear motor mounts. The

Hurth trans bolts up to an adapter plate, that will bolt directly on the Yanmar.

The rear motor mounts are mounted to this adapter plate. The Yanmar supplied
rear mounts are bolted to the engine. The Yanmar engine mounts are on 18 inch
centers, whereas the engine beds and your old mounts are on 22 1/2 inch centers.

By using your old trans and adapter plate you eliminate a lot of alignment
issues. It may be that the ZF gearbox will mount on this adapter plate, and you
could do the same thing, but I don't know. When I installed my engine, I was
able to use new rubber engine mounts (not the Yanmar, they are to tall) and the
rear mounts lined up exactly with the original Amel mounting bolts. On the front

mounts I bolted a 1/2 steel plate on the original engine bed, using the original

Amel mounting bolts, to bring it in to the 18 inch centers required for the
Yanmar engine mount alignment. The other advantage to using the original
trans is I was able to keep my shaft mounted alternator, without having to
fabricate a new mount.  If you go with a new trans, I would not go with any down

angle, as you will have to do considerable modification to the engine beds. The
front of the engine will have to be dropped about 6 inches, and you will
therefore have to remove that much of you engine beds I believe. The engine beds

have steel plates embedded in them into which the original motors mounts are
bolted. Very strong. I was able to reuse all of them. Handy. The only thing to
have to modify on the engine beds with the original trans, is the area around
the oil filter, which comes out of the right hand side, right at the level of
the top of the engine bed. You have to cut it out in a half moon shape about an
inch.

The engine swap was actually quite simple, and I can provide you with photos of
my install, if you go a similar route.

Eric, Maramu 105

________________________________
From: Bob Sarff < bsarff@comcast.net >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, February 10, 2012 10:14:15 AM
Subject: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 
I'm looking to replace my Perkins 4.154 engine with a Hurth HBW 250-3R trans
with a gear ratio of 2.74 soon and would like your opinion of a couple of
options. I know some of you have replaced your motors with the Yanmar 4JH4-TE.
Did you replace the transmission at the same time or rebuild your old one? If
you purchases a new one, which model did you purchase. My concern at this point
is that the dealer I'm working with shows transmissions that have a 7 degree
down angle and the one I have has an offset rather then a down angle.

Has anyone used the 75 hp Volvo instead of the Yanmar. Is there an
advandage/disadvantage either way?

Thanks for any advise you can provide.

Bob
S/V Chara
Hin 173

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Re: [Amel] Re: Maramu engine replacement

bsarff@...
 

Thanks John.  It is making more sense to replace the entire unit.  I appreciate your getting back to me.



Thanks again, Bob



Maramu Hin 173

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From: "jjjk12s" jjjk12s@yahoo.com
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:26:38 PM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Maramu engine replacement

 





Bob,

I have a maramu with a Perkins M60 and have also looked at repowering as I have recently bought a new engine for another boat.

I installed a 75 hp yanmar in my non-amel boat and for various reasons kept the old gear box. The engine and box both had SAE4 bell housings so I thought it would be straight forward. However the shaft out the PRM260D box was too long and the damper plate I got didn't match up. After the expense of fabricating a spacer and machining the damper plate all is good but the moral of the story is next time I will get the engine with a gear box already attached. I don't think you can get a yanmar of the shelf with a ZF25 (new version of HBW250) but you can get a ZF30 with 2.7 ratio off the shelf. The ZF30 is similar but rated to a higher HP than the ZF25.

Unless your old gearbox is free of corrosion and is quite new I would recommend renew and try to sell the old one with the old engine. If you get a Cummins or other you should be able to get a suitable vertical offset gearbox such as a ZF25 ZF25H or ZF30.

John

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com , "Bob Sarff" <bsarff@...> wrote:

I'm looking to replace my Perkins 4.154 engine with a Hurth HBW 250-3R trans with a gear ratio of 2.74 soon and would like your opinion of a couple of options. I know some of you have replaced your motors with the Yanmar 4JH4-TE. Did you replace the transmission at the same time or rebuild your old one? If you purchases a new one, which model did you purchase. My concern at this point is that the dealer I'm working with shows transmissions that have a 7 degree down angle and the one I have has an offset rather then a down angle.

Has anyone used the 75 hp Volvo instead of the Yanmar. Is there an advandage/disadvantage either way?

Thanks for any advise you can provide.

Bob
S/V Chara
Hin 173



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Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

bsarff@...
 

Thanks Eric.  This is great information.   The dealer is saying that the 54 hp engine is also a good match for replacing the 60 hp Perkins I know have.  I don't know if this is true or not. The zf 30 is very close to the ZF 25    and Hp rating so I'm leaning toward buying a complete engine/trans package which will give me a 5 year warrenty on both units.  The 54 hp unit if more readily available which is why I'm considering it. 



Does anyone have a thought on installing a 54 hp Yanmar in at Maramu? 



Thanks to everyone who has replied/commented on my inquiry.



Bob

Maramu Hin 173

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From: "Eric Lindholm" etlindholm@sbcglobal.net
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:26:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 




Bob, I replaced my motor with the Yanmar 4JH4, and used my original
transmission, which I think is the same as yours. I had my transmission rebuilt
as needed by a local shop. I was going to get a new trans, but ZF (who bought
out Hurth) was back ordered 6 months. It ended up that by using my old trans the
installation was a lot easier. First you can use your old rear motor mounts. The
Hurth trans bolts up to an adapter plate, that will bolt directly on the Yanmar.
The rear motor mounts are mounted to this adapter plate. The Yanmar supplied
rear mounts are bolted to the engine. The Yanmar engine mounts are on 18 inch
centers, whereas the engine beds and your old mounts are on 22 1/2 inch centers.
By using your old trans and adapter plate you eliminate a lot of alignment
issues. It may be that the ZF gearbox will mount on this adapter plate, and you
could do the same thing, but I don't know. When I installed my engine, I was
able to use new rubber engine mounts (not the Yanmar, they are to tall) and the
rear mounts lined up exactly with the original Amel mounting bolts. On the front
mounts I bolted a 1/2 steel plate on the original engine bed, using the original
Amel mounting bolts, to bring it in to the 18 inch centers required for the
Yanmar engine mount alignment. The other advantage to using the original
trans is I was able to keep my shaft mounted alternator, without having to
fabricate a new mount.  If you go with a new trans, I would not go with any down
angle, as you will have to do considerable modification to the engine beds. The
front of the engine will have to be dropped about 6 inches, and you will
therefore have to remove that much of you engine beds I believe. The engine beds
have steel plates embedded in them into which the original motors mounts are
bolted. Very strong. I was able to reuse all of them. Handy. The only thing to
have to modify on the engine beds with the original trans, is the area around
the oil filter, which comes out of the right hand side, right at the level of
the top of the engine bed. You have to cut it out in a half moon shape about an
inch.

The engine swap was actually quite simple, and I can provide you with photos of
my install, if you go a similar route.

Eric, Maramu 105

________________________________
From: Bob Sarff < bsarff@comcast.net >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, February 10, 2012 10:14:15 AM
Subject: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 
I'm looking to replace my Perkins 4.154 engine with a Hurth HBW 250-3R trans
with a gear ratio of 2.74 soon and would like your opinion of a couple of
options. I know some of you have replaced your motors with the Yanmar 4JH4-TE.
Did you replace the transmission at the same time or rebuild your old one? If
you purchases a new one, which model did you purchase. My concern at this point
is that the dealer I'm working with shows transmissions that have a 7 degree
down angle and the one I have has an offset rather then a down angle.

Has anyone used the 75 hp Volvo instead of the Yanmar. Is there an
advandage/disadvantage either way?

Thanks for any advise you can provide.

Bob
S/V Chara
Hin 173

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Re: Parasailor

jonathan681684
 

I would be most interested in seeing your parasailor pics, if you could download to the group. Thinking of buying one for my Santorin
thx

john stonier

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "N4796P@..." <n4796p@...> wrote:

Hallo Gary,

we bought a Parasailor (176m²) for the ARC 2009 (double handed with my
wife) and used it for five days, some times together with the mizzen
balloner. In this time we had true winds between 12 to 28 knots, most
times 14 to 20 knots. 20+ to 28 kt was a really hot time, where we
reached the end of our LOG (13+kt). We did not use the poles but 4 lines
for the Parasailor. All the time the boat was running really well and
reached together with the mizzen balloner a boat speed about 50% of the
true wind, without balloner about 1-1.5kt less. I had some photos at
the forum, but deleted them due to the small place we have. If you are
interested I can send some photos and more information to you.

Armin
ASHIA, SM2k, #357


Re: Parasailor / Correction

N4796P@yahoo.de <n4796p@...>
 

to Gary: I have to correct the dimensions of our Parasailor, it had a size of 156m not 176m. The bigger size is the equivalent size for the Amel 54.
Armin


safe--para sailor

eric freedman
 

Armin,
I see your hull number is close to my hull number do you have any photos or
manufacturer information, model number etc that you can mail to me
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
Kimberlite@optonl;ine.net

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N4796P@yahoo.de
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Parasailor

Hallo Gary,

we bought a Parasailor (176m²) for the ARC 2009 (double handed with my
wife) and used it for five days, some times together with the mizzen
balloner. In this time we had true winds between 12 to 28 knots, most
times 14 to 20 knots. 20+ to 28 kt was a really hot time, where we
reached the end of our LOG (13+kt). We did not use the poles but 4 lines
for the Parasailor. All the time the boat was running really well and
reached together with the mizzen balloner a boat speed about 50% of the
true wind, without balloner about 1-1.5kt less. I had some photos at
the forum, but deleted them due to the small place we have. If you are
interested I can send some photos and more information to you.

Armin
ASHIA, SM2k, #357


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Re: Parasailor

N4796P@yahoo.de <n4796p@...>
 

Hallo Gary,

we bought a Parasailor (176m) for the ARC 2009 (double handed with my wife) and used it for five days, some times together with the mizzen balloner. In this time we had true winds between 12 to 28 knots, most times 14 to 20 knots. 20+ to 28 kt was a really hot time, where we reached the end of our LOG (13+kt). We did not use the poles but 4 lines for the Parasailor. All the time the boat was running really well and reached together with the mizzen balloner a boat speed about 50% of the true wind, without balloner about 1-1.5kt less. I had some photos at the forum, but deleted them due to the small place we have. If you are interested I can send some photos and more information to you.

Armin
ASHIA, SM2k, #357


Wind system Amel Euros 41

tresliebres
 

Hello, I have a wind system BEN on my Amel Euros 41 with analog clocks. The model is GEA 321. I can not work properly and not find any information online about the brand. Does anyone have something similar in your boat?


Re: [Amel] French Abbreviations SP and B on Bowthruster Limit Switches

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

On SM 209 there is a lock nut at the top that can be used to adjust the hole location and the motor up position.

Regards. SM 209 in Annapolis for sale

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 11, 2012, at 9:06, amelliahona <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi everyone:

This is a question for our French experts. I caught a mooring line in my bow thruster as I attempted to raise it and it changed the rigging somewhat. Now the pin does not line up with the hole in the cable end any longer. I have attempted adjusting this at the cable end where it inserts into the main thruster motor, but can't get adequate adjustment. I would like to adjust the up and down limit switches slightly but don't know the abbreviations as labeled. One is labeled "SP" and the other one is labeled "B". I am guessing that "B" is for basse as the electrical diagram indicates a limit switch entitled, "position basse". So I am guessing that adjusting the "B" sensor adjusts the down travel. Howerver, the other limit switch is labeled in the schematics as "position haute". So what does "SP" stand for? I tried adjusting this position of this switch and it didn't seem to make any difference in the travel of the motor.

Has anyone else adjusted the up position for pin allignment and can offer advice.

Thanks,
Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM #335




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Re: [Amel] Re: does antone have any oinfo on this safe. I am locked out.

eric freedman
 

Gary,

My keypad has what appears to have a small socket for a charger plug located
under the bottom lip of the safes keypad.

How is your safe bolted down? I will be in SXM 2/15-2/23 if you are in the
area please drop by I will be in the simpson bay marina.



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: does antone have any oinfo on this safe. I am locked
out.





Hi Eric:

My safe is not the same as your, but last year my safe's electronic keypad
quit working. The safe has a small circular hole in the front of it that
accepts a peculiar semicircular key that was provided by Amel for just such
instances. I was able to obtain replacement parts for my safe from the
German Hartmann Paderborn company. They were very good to deal with and
perhaps yours is the same company. Does yours have a key hole?

Good luck,

Gary Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 Hull # 335
St. John, USVI

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

It is posted under Kimberlite in the photos section.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
 

Graham,
    No, I did not do it myself - I had no repair manual, and I was told that the job is simpler with a couple of "special" tools that all ZF/Hurth agents have in their workshop.
   The symptoms that you notice are:- ( you can get some or all!!)

1. A longer than normal pause between selecting a gear and the drive engaging.
2. No reverse gear
3. Discoloured gearbox fluid - sometimes it smells "burnt"
4. A major leak from the oil seals.

The parts for the ZF25 are all included in what is called, I believe, a rebuild kit, which does not include a damper plate. 


On the Santorin, you have to remove the water and exhaust hoses at the front of the engine; "split" the drive train; remove the engine hold down bolts and slide the whole engine aft about 2-3". The gearbox can then be removed, and taken to a workshop.

If you have a ZF/Hurth agent near you they should have all the tools, and the manuals. However, there are plenty in Europe, so if you don't have a problem, and all is working well.......

What I would do is check the fluid in the gearbox by pumping it out into a clear container and then looking carefully for any specks of "dark matter" or cloudiness. If either is there, then I would get the gearbox off and get it rebuilt.

Hope this helps

Mike

SN027



________________________________
From: Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement


 
Mike,
 
As we have a PerkinsM50, 4500hrs, with the Hurth gearbox and shaft alternator in our Sharki and so I guess a clucth disc replacement will be due at some time, possibly soon. Do you do the work yourself and if so are there any special tools needed?
The reason I ask is because if all goes well we hope to be leaving for the UK an exteneded cruise later this year and I would like to know what is involved and to have the necessary gear on board.
 
Do you happen to have a copy of the repair manual as I did have one for a previous boat but I let it go with the boat when she was sold. 
 
Regards
Graham

________________________________
From: Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2012, 0:54
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 
Bob,
   If you have the Perkins M50 on your Maramu, then I believe the gearbox is now called the ZF25, (ZF acquired Hurth some time ago).
   I'm coming up to 9000 hrs on the Perkins fitted to my Santorin, and the only time I had an overheat problem was when the circular seal on the heat exchanger tube became misplaced. The only non standard fitting I have on the engine is the Australian 4M full flow oil and fuel filters. I think they are superb, and as the filter elements are toilet rolls, once installed the running costs are negligible. Coming through Indonesia, where the fuel was definitely suspect, I used 2 (yes two) rolls, when others were using 8 or 9 engine fuel filters.
   By the way, if you have the Hurth HBW250, (now the ZF25) with the shaft alternator, you should expect to get between 23-25000 sea miles out of a set of drive discs. At just over 70,000 sea miles, I'm just installing my 3rd rebuild kit. A little early, but we have done a lot of motor sailing in the last few years.
   Also, when you have the drive train split, consider changing the damper plate on the engine, the old ones had springs and after a while they "rattle" at idle - the new ones have a synthetic flex coupling

All the best

Mike
SN 027

________________________________
From: Jim Dernehl <jim.dernehl@operatingtech.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Maramu engine replacement

 
Bob,
I successfully replaced my Perkins with a Westerbeke 85B several years ago
and used the standard Hurth transmission that came with it. At that time my
Perkins was overheating and I wanted to use a naturally aspirated diesel
engine for greater reliability.
Best Jim Dernehl
Pao-San #88

On 2/10/12 12:14 PM, "Bob Sarff" <bsarff@comcast.net> wrote:






I'm looking to replace my Perkins 4.154 engine with a Hurth HBW 250-3R trans
with a gear ratio of 2.74 soon and would like your opinion of a couple of
options. I know some of you have replaced your motors with the Yanmar
4JH4-TE. Did you replace the transmission at the same time or rebuild your
old one? If you purchases a new one, which model did you purchase. My
concern at this point is that the dealer I'm working with shows transmissions
that have a 7 degree down angle and the one I have has an offset rather then a
down angle.

Has anyone used the 75 hp Volvo instead of the Yanmar. Is there an
advandage/disadvantage either way?

Thanks for any advise you can provide.

Bob
S/V Chara
Hin 173






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Re: [Amel] Amel Headsail poles

Amel Salvagny
 

Hi Andy

The end units are standard Harken fittings and can be bought at most
chandlery stores. I have replaced mine due to cracks and they were quite
expensive. The aluminium pole is probably standard size. So any rigger can
probably make you a set of new ones.

Lars
Yacht Salvagny, Santorin #79
Den 08/02/2012 12.32 skrev "Richard Piller" <richard03801@yahoo.com>:

**


Hi Andy, I'd suggest you go see you local rigger. Save the end units and
reuse them.

Richard
SM 209 in Annapolis for Sale.

________________________________
From: Andy <allezaubon@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 4:28 AM
Subject: [Amel] Amel Headsail poles



Dear Amel owners,

is it possible to replace the two articulating whisker poles on an amel
Maramu and how much would the cost be ??

Thank you in advance for your time.

Kindest regards

Andy