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Re: [Amel] Santorin transmision

Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
 

Hi Antonio,
   I have a Santorin, hull number 027, built at the same time as yours. I have had no trouble with the transmission over the years. The only major work I had done was to replace the seal at the join between the "cubic" box at the forward end of the engine. This was done about 10 years ago when I decided to do a major engine service.
   With this version of the Santorin, there is only one thing that gives you real problems in the transmission, and those are the seals around the propeller shaft on the back of the keel. There is not enough space for a rope cutter, so nets etc can get caught on the prop. That is not usually too bad - a quick dive over the side with a pair of big scissors- and all is OK. The VERY BAD thing is if you get a nylon monofilament fishing line on the prop. This winds round the shaft and melts, and in so doing, ruins the seals around the shaft, allowing water into the transmission chain. 
   The sure sign of this is that the level of oil in the reservoir on the top forward starboard engine bulkhead starts to RISE and a milky white layer eventually appears at the bottom of the reservoir.
   The only solution is a "haul-out" and replace the seals and bronze "wearing ring" on which they sit - I carry two as spares!!

There is no cause for immediate alarm if this happens....it happened to us on the way from the Carribbean to the Med, and we sailed about 1800miles with "cafe-au-lait" in the reservoir. Once in the Med, discussions with Amel and a visual inspection, showed no adverse effects, and we have happily sailed another 40,000 miles since then.

I used to change the seals on each annual haul out, but now I work on the principle of "if it ain't broke - don't mend it", especially as I am now based near haul-out facilities.

By the way, ZF bought Hurth a while ago, and your Hurth HBW250 is now called the ZF25 - I'm just in the process of replacing the drive discs, and what I ordered was a ZF25 rebuild kit.

Hope this helps,

Mike Smither
SN027 - Akwaaba



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From: ANTONIO DIEZ <a.diezrv@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Santorin transmision


 
The boat number is 29 , the engine perking prima 50 cv , and the engine has the alternator for the transmision but the problem is not with the engine but with the Amel piece that is behind the Hurth ( not ZF ) where the shaft change from horizontal to vertical . This piece is cubic 15x15x15 cms.
Best regard : Antonio Diez

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De: Richard Piller <richard03801@yahoo.com>
Para: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Enviado: Martes, febrero 21, 2012 3:15 A.M.
Asunto: Re: [Amel] Santorin transmision


 
Hi before we can help you it is important to know the engine you have the hull number of the boat. ZF offers a number of replacement transmissions.  Do you have an an alternator running for the transmission out put?

Best wisher sorry I don't have any Spanish.
Richard SM 209

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From: ANTONIO DIEZ <a.diezrv@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: [Amel] Santorin transmision

 
Hello everybody : We are thinking to buy a Santorin build in 1990 and we know that the transmision in that date ( 1989-1990)was defective and the yard changed later for a new one. The old one had a cubic box  ( behind the the engine ) in aluminiun wich was 15x15x15 cms and the new one is in  casting 20x20x20 cms .
Has any of you the old model ? have you had any problem ? Have you change it for the new one ?
I also would like to kown if it is necesary to chage only the cubic box or all the transmision system included the external part that is outside the boat as well as the price and difficulty to do the job.
I am sorry for my english I do better in spanish.
Tank you very much for any help.
Best regard : Antonio Diez 



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Re: [Amel] Santorin transmision

ANTONIO DIEZ <a.diezrv@...>
 

The boat number is 29 , the engine perking prima 50 cv , and the engine has the alternator for the transmision but the problem is not with the engine but with the Amel piece that is behind the Hurth ( not ZF ) where the shaft change from horizontal to vertical . This piece is cubic 15x15x15 cms.
Best regard : Antonio Diez


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De: Richard Piller <richard03801@yahoo.com>
Para: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Enviado: Martes, febrero 21, 2012 3:15 A.M.
Asunto: Re: [Amel] Santorin transmision


 
Hi before we can help you it is important to know the engine you have the hull number of the boat. ZF offers a number of replacement transmissions.  Do you have an an alternator running for the transmission out put?

Best wisher sorry I don't have any Spanish.
Richard SM 209

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From: ANTONIO DIEZ <a.diezrv@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: [Amel] Santorin transmision


 
Hello everybody : We are thinking to buy a Santorin build in 1990 and we know that the transmision in that date ( 1989-1990)was defective and the yard changed later for a new one. The old one had a cubic box  ( behind the the engine ) in aluminiun wich was 15x15x15 cms and the new one is in  casting 20x20x20 cms .
Has any of you the old model ? have you had any problem ? Have you change it for the new one ?
I also would like to kown if it is necesary to chage only the cubic box or all the transmision system included the external part that is outside the boat as well as the price and difficulty to do the job.
I am sorry for my english I do better in spanish.
Tank you very much for any help.
Best regard : Antonio Diez 

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Wind generator - another choice

Ian Shepherd
 

Thanks for the info on the AirMaax Dave. The link makes no mention of a
24V model which would make it unsuitable for many Amel owners.

I have used an Air 403 at the top of my mizzen for the past 11 years on
two Super Maramu's. It works superbly up there and outperforms by a long
way turbines mounted on deck poles. The fixing bracket and pole are made
of high quality aluminium (painted), and frankly the weight aloft is not
at all noticeable.

What you must do is separate the plate at the top of the mizzen and the
bottom plate of the turbine bracket with high quality anti vibration
fittings else you will hear and feel the vibration as it resonates down
the mast. I found an excellent company in Farnham UK who make very
robust dampers. Crusader has been through many gales including across
the N. Atlantic to Greenland with sustained winds of 30-40 kts for six
days, and I have never had the slightest problem with the mountings.
After almost 8 years I did have a blade fail, which may have been
through UV weakening or possibly a bird strike. Spares are easy to find
and with the aid of a cherry picker I was able to change them in 30
minutes. A lot easier than standing on a rope looped over the top of the
mizzen mast to gain the extra height!

I did post the address and details of the anti vibration mounts some
years ago but it seems to have disappeared. The type suitable for Air
models (and probably other makes too) is AL-30. The beauty of these
mounts is that there is a bolt through the unit so that it can never
come apart even if the rubber perishes. See
http://www.ava-antivibrationmountings.co.uk/catalog_category.aspx?cat_id=48
for details and company contact info.

I did have to spray the mounts with an aerosol of Hammerite white paint
before using them. I also mounted them on rubber mats and used rubber
washers and polythene tubing around the mounting bolts where they went
through the mast head plate to reduce vibration further.

With the turbine on the mast head and two 120W 24V BP Solar panels
mounted on the rails abeam the aft coach roof, Crusader will break even
in electrical terms in 15 kts of apparent wind and sunlight despite
continuous use of autopilot, laptop, AIS transponder, radio,
instruments, two fridges and a deep freeze and the audio entertainment
system. And often one of the panels is in the shade of the mizzen sail
too. I believe that it is well worth the effort to mount the turbine
aloft and out of the way. Mounting it half way up the mast may well be
problematic if you use the mizzen staysail.

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader


Re: [Amel] Santorin transmision

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

Hi before we can help you it is important to know the engine you have the hull number of the boat. ZF offers a number of replacement transmissions.  Do you have an an alternator running for the transmission out put?

Best wisher sorry I don't have any Spanish.
Richard SM 209



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From: ANTONIO DIEZ <a.diezrv@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: [Amel] Santorin transmision


 
Hello everybody : We are thinking to buy a Santorin build in 1990 and we know that the transmision in that date ( 1989-1990)was defective and the yard changed later for a new one. The old one had a cubic box  ( behind the the engine ) in aluminiun wich was 15x15x15 cms and the new one is in  casting 20x20x20 cms .
Has any of you the old model ? have you had any problem ? Have you change it for the new one ?
I also would like to kown if it is necesary to chage only the cubic box or all the transmision system included the external part that is outside the boat as well as the price and difficulty to do the job.
I am sorry for my english I do better in spanish.
Tank you very much for any help.
Best regard : Antonio Diez 

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Santorin transmision

ANTONIO DIEZ <a.diezrv@...>
 

Hello everybody : We are thinking to buy a Santorin build in 1990 and we know that the transmision in that date ( 1989-1990)was defective and the yard changed later for a new one. The old one had a cubic box  ( behind the the engine ) in aluminiun wich was 15x15x15 cms and the new one is in  casting 20x20x20 cms .
Has any of you the old model ? have you had any problem ? Have you change it for the new one ?
I also would like to kown if it is necesary to chage only the cubic box or all the transmision system included the external part that is outside the boat as well as the price and difficulty to do the job.
I am sorry for my english I do better in spanish.
Tank you very much for any help.
Best regard : Antonio Diez 

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Wind generator - another choice

Dave_Benjamin
 

This company is owned in part by a cruiser we met while cruising the Pacific coast of Mexico. I have seen their wind generator and the components. All appear very well made. I think this unit is probably comparable with Superwind but more economical, especially for people in North America.

http://www.cruiserowaterandpower.com/AirMaax_Wind_Turbine.html


Re: forward/aft windows

Kimberly Cerillo <kcvabeach@...>
 

Good day everyone,

On our Super Maramu 2K the black coating covering the port and starboard
windows forward and aft is scratched and in some cases peeling. Has anyone
addressed this? If so what are your solutions?

Thanks so much,

George and Kim Cerillo
SM2K #353 Indecent


informations

saxysimo <saxysimo@...>
 

hi to everyone.
i'm the new owner of a amel meltem,
can anyone have the tecnhical datails or owner book for this vessel???
i tried on yhe web without any result
i will appreciate very muche if you can send it to me.
i will also appreciate any suggestion
thank you to all in advance
other mail is: sasimonetti@gmail.com
salvatore


Re: [Amel] Re: Parasailor

N4796P@yahoo.de <n4796p@...>
 

Hallo Gary,
I did not take away the original Amel-downwind-system. I think one
should consider that rising the parasailor you have just one size of
sail you can use. If you sail with allways changing windspeeds, for
example in a region with a lot of squalls, the Amel-downwind-system is a
clear advantage. We had this situation later on the ARC and where happy
to be very flexible with this system due to the many squalls we had.
Fair winds
Armin, SY ASHIA, SM2k, #357

Am 19.02.2012 14:45, schrieb Sailing Vessel Bozo Cinq:

Dear Armin,

Thank you for the information on the size and the pictures were
terrific. We
have made arrangements in late March to go to the US representative office
in ST. Petersburg, FL as they have a 50' vessel to demonstrate the
parasailor. If all goes well we will add the parasailor to our sail
inventory. I was also thinking that the parasailor would replace our
ballooner set. Do you still use your ballooner sail?

Take care,

Gary L. Wollenberg

Sailing Vessel "Bozo Cinq"

bozocinq@wollenberg.net <mailto:bozocinq%40wollenberg.net>

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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Parasailor

Hallo Gary,

we bought a Parasailor (176m²) for the ARC 2009 (double handed with my

wife) and used it for five days, some times together with the mizzen

balloner. In this time we had true winds between 12 to 28 knots, most

times 14 to 20 knots. 20+ to 28 kt was a really hot time, where we

reached the end of our LOG (13+kt). We did not use the poles but 4 lines

for the Parasailor. All the time the boat was running really well and

reached together with the mizzen balloner a boat speed about 50% of the

true wind, without balloner about 1-1.5kt less. I had some photos at

the forum, but deleted them due to the small place we have. If you are

interested I can send some photos and more information to you.

Armin

ASHIA, SM2k, #357

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Re: [Amel] Wind generator - photos - plans

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

We have installed a "Super Wind" wind generator on the mizzen and it is very good. Never hear it or even know it is there and it works well. The Super Wind is an expensive model but it has some special features. It is quiet, it self feathers in gale force wind so you never have to worry about tying it off. It is robustly constructed, intended for remote locations and needing infrequent servicing. We installed it in October 09 and it has been trouble free.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand 

From: "bsarff@comcast.net" <bsarff@comcast.net>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 19 February 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Wind generator - photos - plans


 


Lorenzo, what was wrong with the mizzen location?  I'm considering adding a wind generator and was thinking of installing it on the mizzen, either on top or mid-way off a bracket. 

Does anyone else have comments on the installation of a wind generator on a Maramu.

Bob

----- Original Message -----

From: "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@yahoo.it>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:24:22 AM
Subject: [Amel] Wind generator - photos - plans

 

Hi everyone, we want to install an Air breeze on our SM2000. Two years ago we had it mount on mizen mast, but did not convince me much, for the weight and balance.

Now we would install it on pole in the stern portion. Do You have any photos of a wind generator installed?
(I have no idea of the surface of the plate should have and where I can mount it). We're scared about drill our Red Passion :)

Is Stainless steel (inox aisi 316) the right material? Is aluminum better?

Thanks a lot to everyone who read me.

Lorenzo SM2000 #420 Red Passion (Italy)

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Re: [Amel] Hatchway locker

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

There is no kit for this. Buy some 3/8 inch stainless or aluminum rod and some one inch flat metal to match. Measure your hatch and get a welder to put the flat steel cut about 2 inches long on each end with 2 mounting holes iin each end. Put 2 on each hatch. You should use a star headed screws for mounting the bars. Keep a screw driver in the bow and the stern in case of fire. The reason fot the star heads is that few burglars would carry a screw driver to fit it. I lock myself in, even while I'm back home on my beloved Chesapeake Bay. Why would anyone go to a third world Country and leave their front door and windows wide open. I have pictures of my main hatch grill. They are 1/4 inch flat aluminum, They are on the site. John "Moon Dog" SM 248




To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: mas1766@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:16:29 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Hatchway locker






Hello everybody,

can anyone tell me where I can buy the kit in stainless steel for placement on the hatch as theft deterrence?

I saw it on some amel boat picture. It is made by two stainless steel small blocks with round hole, one on each side of the hatchway (fixed on the fiberglass), and then, I presume, an horizontal stainless steel bar.
I hope my english description is clear enough.

I was also looking for the disk in polished stainless steel with Mr. Amel signature, to put in the center of the steering wheel.

I contacted Amel, sending them the pictures but they told me that those parts are no more available.

Thanks for help.

Fabio (Milan-Italy)

ITALICA
Santorin ketch #28






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Wind system

tresliebres <eonoemedia@...>
 

Hello, my wind system, a old BEN GEA 321, no longer works. Do any owner have any equipment that works and you want off? A greeting


Wind system

tresliebres <eonoemedia@...>
 

Hello, my wind system, a old GEA 321, no longer works. Do any owner have any equipment that works and you want off? A greeting


Re: Wind generator - photos - plans

ferruccilorenzo <ferruccilorenzo@...>
 

Thanks to all, whenever you write you are kind and thorough.

I think I understood that from your actual experience should mount the wind generator above the mizzen-mast. I already have a ready support in stainless steel aisi 316 (I have attached a photo in the album "Red Passion").

Should I have to put rubber between the alluminum mast and stainless steel support to avoid the interaction between different material ? (alluminium and stainless steel).

I have to do the same between generator (alluminium and coated) and stainless steel support?

Best regards, sorry for my bad English (it's not my fault, it's Google!!)

:D

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Miles Bidwell" <mbidwell@...> wrote:

I have had an Air X on top of the mizzen over 10 years with no problems.
It is quieter and the wind is better at the top. Why don't you want it
there?



Miles Bidwell, S/Y Ladybug, sm216



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Re: Wind generator - photos - plans

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

I have had an Air X on top of the mizzen over 10 years with no problems.
It is quieter and the wind is better at the top. Why don't you want it
there?



Miles Bidwell, S/Y Ladybug, sm216


Re: [Amel] Re: Parasailor

Sailing Vessel Bozo Cinq <bozocinq@...>
 

Dear Armin,



Thank you for the information on the size and the pictures were terrific. We
have made arrangements in late March to go to the US representative office
in ST. Petersburg, FL as they have a 50' vessel to demonstrate the
parasailor. If all goes well we will add the parasailor to our sail
inventory. I was also thinking that the parasailor would replace our
ballooner set. Do you still use your ballooner sail?



Take care,



Gary L. Wollenberg

Sailing Vessel “Bozo Cinq”

bozocinq@wollenberg.net

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of N4796P@yahoo.de
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 1:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Parasailor



Hallo Gary,



we bought a Parasailor (176m²) for the ARC 2009 (double handed with my

wife) and used it for five days, some times together with the mizzen

balloner. In this time we had true winds between 12 to 28 knots, most

times 14 to 20 knots. 20+ to 28 kt was a really hot time, where we

reached the end of our LOG (13+kt). We did not use the poles but 4 lines

for the Parasailor. All the time the boat was running really well and

reached together with the mizzen balloner a boat speed about 50% of the

true wind, without balloner about 1-1.5kt less. I had some photos at

the forum, but deleted them due to the small place we have. If you are

interested I can send some photos and more information to you.



Armin

ASHIA, SM2k, #357





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Re: [Amel] Wind generator - photos - plans

karkauai
 

I'm thimking of mounting it atop the mizzen too. Seems like halfway up would get in the way of the mizzen ballooner?
Kent
SM 243
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Re: Wind generator - photos - plans

jjjk12s <jjjk12s@...>
 

I have uploaded a picture of our wind generator location on our Maramu. Not an ideal picture but the only one I have at the moment. The base of the stainless steel pole is attached to a plate that is bolted through the transom. The pole is supported by two struts bolted to the toe-rail and by two backets on the pushpit. The wiring for the solar and wind generator goes through the transom and the electronics are behind the panel in the cubby on the starboard aft side of the aft cabin. I have just changed the bearings in the Airogen 6 and was able to access and lower the unit quite easily.

John Popeye Maramu 91

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:

Hi everyone, we want to install an Air breeze on our SM2000. Two years ago we had it mount on mizen mast, but did not convince me much, for the weight and balance.

Now we would install it on pole in the stern portion. Do You have any photos of a wind generator installed?
(I have no idea of the surface of the plate should have and where I can mount it). We're scared about drill our Red Passion :)

Is Stainless steel (inox aisi 316) the right material? Is aluminum better?

Thanks a lot to everyone who read me.

Lorenzo SM2000 #420 Red Passion (Italy)


Re: [Amel] Wind generator - photos - plans

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi we have had ours on the mizzen top for years without issue for years.
Sm 209 for sale in Annapolis
Regards


Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 18, 2012, at 15:51, bsarff@comcast.net wrote:



Lorenzo, what was wrong with the mizzen location? I'm considering adding a wind generator and was thinking of installing it on the mizzen, either on top or mid-way off a bracket.

Does anyone else have comments on the installation of a wind generator on a Maramu.

Bob

----- Original Message -----

From: "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@yahoo.it>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:24:22 AM
Subject: [Amel] Wind generator - photos - plans



Hi everyone, we want to install an Air breeze on our SM2000. Two years ago we had it mount on mizen mast, but did not convince me much, for the weight and balance.

Now we would install it on pole in the stern portion. Do You have any photos of a wind generator installed?
(I have no idea of the surface of the plate should have and where I can mount it). We're scared about drill our Red Passion :)

Is Stainless steel (inox aisi 316) the right material? Is aluminum better?

Thanks a lot to everyone who read me.

Lorenzo SM2000 #420 Red Passion (Italy)

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Re: [Amel] Wind generator - photos - plans

eric meury <ericmeury@...>
 

I had the an old red baron installed on a 30 foot cheoy lee ketch (wooden masts)...it lived up there for 8 years before i bought the boat from chris parker.  (weather guy). 

Seemed to work for them and it worked for me while i had the boat.  I really don't see why it would be a problem on a SM, especially since the wind gen are so much lighter now.

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From: bsarff@comcast.net <bsarff@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Wind generator - photos - plans
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 18, 2012, 12:51 PM
















 













Lorenzo, what was wrong with the mizzen location?  I'm considering adding a wind generator and was thinking of installing it on the mizzen, either on top or mid-way off a bracket. 



Does anyone else have comments on the installation of a wind generator on a Maramu.



Bob



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From: "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@yahoo.it>

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:24:22 AM

Subject: [Amel] Wind generator - photos - plans



 



Hi everyone, we want to install an Air breeze on our SM2000. Two years ago we had it mount on mizen mast, but did not convince me much, for the weight and balance.



Now we would install it on pole in the stern portion. Do You have any photos of a wind generator installed?

(I have no idea of the surface of the plate should have and where I can mount it). We're scared about drill our Red Passion :)



Is Stainless steel (inox aisi 316) the right material? Is aluminum better?



Thanks a lot to everyone who read me.



Lorenzo SM2000 #420 Red Passion (Italy)



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