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Neco Marine Autopilot

Andy Croney
 

Dear Amel Owners,

we have just become the proud owners of a rather dated Amel Maramu.

Most things on the boat have not been upgraded over the years, so we just might have a few collectibles on board.

for one the Auto Pilot :-

The Auto Pilot has been working until recently. It started working intermittently and then gave up a few weeks ago. It is "cycling " back and forth trying to find it's position. We have checked the relays and the Compass and they are OK. We believe it is an error in the Head Unit ( perhaps the sensitivity knob has been locked into very sensitive position, too sensitive for the unit to work ??? On turning the knob, there is no resistance)

The Auto Pilot is a NECO MARINE " 12V Gear Drive" Model 17DR8

(from Neco Marine Ltd. Cosham, Hants, England.)

If I can fix or replace the head Unit or use an alternative 12V gear Drive compass that would be good.

Any thought's and /or advice much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your support.

Kindest regards

Andy


Re: Forum

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

ferruccilorenzo,

Let me attempt to answer your question. I think it is a very good question. Since joining this group, I have really gotten a lot from the group and very much appreciate it.

Regarding your question, I own another Yahoo Group (Circumnavigation Group). I can tell you that Yahoo Groups are free, require no administration, and more importantly, they are one-way, which is the Yahoo way. There is another option which is Google Groups, however, they are identical to Yahoo Groups.

In order to set up a site that would do things better and different, someone would be required to be an administrator; someone would have to purchase software and purchase server space. And, if they did not have a sponsor to pay for all of this, it would require payment by the individual which could possibly be off-set by advertising and membership dues. This all becomes complicated unless there is someone that devotes much of his time and money to the project. Most of us are devoting most of our time to enjoying our Amels.

I wish that there was a simple answer to your question, but unfortunately there is not one that I am aware of.

We all could be more organized with what we have. For instance, we could all place the model and hull# in all of our postings. Many of us have asked for this, but??? We could all do a better job of organizing photos. There are over 800 members. Can you imagine if each member had 1 or more photo albums? Some have multiple photo albums and with no method to search these by Yahoo...forget about it! Some of the members have suggested/requested that the individual owners post photos into "category" albums such as "Yanmar Engine," etc.

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ferruccilorenzo" <ferruccilorenzo@...> wrote:

When I came into this group, I always found people kind, helpful and very knowledgeable and have never read barren and useless controversy, as often happens on the internet.

Why do not we create a forum? (There is one beautiful on Amel Voiliers, but I unfortunately do not speak French - http://www.forum-voiliers-amel.net/ )
The subjects were divided into categories, thus more easily searchable, you may add images directly in the text ...

Is there any expert to tell us something?


Re: [Amel] 12v Motor

Veit Mueller <veitm@...>
 

Hello Ross:

On the SM both motors are the same, one can buy them through Leroy Somer (St Louis) or Amel. They at first told me that the motors would be obsolete as well, then they found them.....

Cheers,
Veit
SM215 ATMAN
On Mar 28, 2012, at 4:35 PM, "rossny@ymail.com" <rossny@mail.com> wrote:

Hello,
My maramu 1989 #261 main furling motor has been soaking in seawater for a bit as about 8 oz was in the boot when I removed it, tried some cleaning and corrosion X but that did not work. My research on the net including this forum led me to Emerson / Leroy Somer and all I spoke to told me that it was custom made for Amel and also obsolete. Has anyone here replaced with another manufacturer or different part number of same? The one that I took off is Leroy Somer MBT82M #0254081 12v. Also is the other motor on the boom the exact same one?
Thanks,
Ross




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Re: [Amel] 12v Motor

Eric Freedman
 

Ross,

Did you contact Leroy somer in France or the USA?



Also did you take the motor to a motor rebuild shop?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rossny@ymail.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] 12v Motor





Hello,
My maramu 1989 #261 main furling motor has been soaking in seawater for a
bit as about 8 oz was in the boot when I removed it, tried some cleaning and
corrosion X but that did not work. My research on the net including this
forum led me to Emerson / Leroy Somer and all I spoke to told me that it was
custom made for Amel and also obsolete. Has anyone here replaced with
another manufacturer or different part number of same? The one that I took
off is Leroy Somer MBT82M #0254081 12v. Also is the other motor on the boom
the exact same one?
Thanks,
Ross


12v Motor

rossny@mail.com
 

Hello,
My maramu 1989 #261 main furling motor has been soaking in seawater for a bit as about 8 oz was in the boot when I removed it, tried some cleaning and corrosion X but that did not work. My research on the net including this forum led me to Emerson / Leroy Somer and all I spoke to told me that it was custom made for Amel and also obsolete. Has anyone here replaced with another manufacturer or different part number of same? The one that I took off is Leroy Somer MBT82M #0254081 12v. Also is the other motor on the boom the exact same one?
Thanks,
Ross


Forum

ferruccilorenzo <ferruccilorenzo@...>
 

When I came into this group, I always found people kind, helpful and very knowledgeable and have never read barren and useless controversy, as often happens on the internet.

Why do not we create a forum? (There is one beautiful on Amel Voiliers, but I unfortunately do not speak French - http://www.forum-voiliers-amel.net/ )
The subjects were divided into categories, thus more easily searchable, you may add images directly in the text ...

Is there any expert to tell us something?


Re: Fresh Water Pumps

bigdaddysmail <no_reply@...>
 

Hello Bill,

In both of the Amels I am working on right now, they have already gotten rid of their Reya fresh water pumps. I am just looking for a nice replacement that people have had success with. I was seeing that there have been problems in the past... Thank you for your response Bill.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I think that you will find that the impeller keys were defective and made of the wrong material in at least four Super Maramus that I am aware of. I believe that this is the only common failure, and in fact, when several of us replaced this key with a stainless steel key, we have had great service from the pump for at least 8 years.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, bigdaddysmail <no_reply@> wrote:

We are a Marine Service Company and have had various Amels come through with Fresh Water Pump problems. One owner told me that he has had to constantly change his fresh water pump because they keep failing. Another, we recently changed...and it failed again. What would cause the Fresh Water Pumps to fail so frequently? Are there certain types of pumps that are recommended? Would a shurflo Smart Sensor or Johnson Flowmaster Demand Pump work with the design of the boat? I would imagine that the Amel Pump could be replaced with another brand? I would like to be able to fix this problem and have the owners not have recurring problems with their fresh water system. Thanks in advance!


Re: [Amel] Fresh Water Pumps

bigdaddysmail <no_reply@...>
 

Thank you for your reply. We do have shurflo and shurflo-like pumps in stock.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I have replaced 2 of my pumps with sureflow pumps and have had no further
problems.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bigdaddysmail
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:28 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Fresh Water Pumps





We are a Marine Service Company and have had various Amels come through with
Fresh Water Pump problems. One owner told me that he has had to constantly
change his fresh water pump because they keep failing. Another, we recently
changed...and it failed again. What would cause the Fresh Water Pumps to
fail so frequently? Are there certain types of pumps that are recommended?
Would a shurflo Smart Sensor or Johnson Flowmaster Demand Pump work with the
design of the boat? I would imagine that the Amel Pump could be replaced
with another brand? I would like to be able to fix this problem and have the
owners not have recurring problems with their fresh water system. Thanks in
advance!





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Sharki isolator

spritoaffine
 

Hello All
We are at present in the middle of an engine swap and the new engine has a house bank alternator rated at 160 amps, we will replace and uprate the wiring from the alternator to battery bank but we have no information on the isolator which is in that run. Will it cope ok with 160 amps?
David Worthington
Spirito Affine Sharki 148


Re: [Amel] Re: .macerator housing

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

Get some muriatic acid, dilute it a little ,pour it in a wide bucket big enough to hold the base and let it set for a few minutes. It should free it without damage. Be careful, its strong stuff. It really cleans toilet parts quickly. 'Sew clean' would work if you can find it.




To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: ferruccilorenzo@yahoo.it
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:42:08 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Re: .macerator housing








--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, john martin <symoondog@...> wrote:


When you get the plastic housing out, be sure and coat the outside of it with some heavy grease before you put it back together. John "moon Dog"
Thanks John, I will do it surely!! But now the trouble is how to replace the old,it's like glued...






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Re: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Ian,

I believe if there was a leakage between the 2 dc rails that would be a
short circuit and it would pop a circuit breaker.



I believe, based upon the problem that another member had with his macerator
and it showed a fault it measures the resistance between the positive and
negative battery connections and the yellow/green bonding. Even though on
further thought the macerator on my boat is bonded . Possibly iy measures
leakage between the bonding yellow/green wire and the ac side.



I would love to know. Possibly it is in your addendum in the ac panel
drawings.



With respect to galvanic leakage I installed a galvanic isolator in the ac
ground circuit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Shepherd
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:39 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)





Hi Eric,

as far as I know it checks for any DC leakage between the positive and
negative 24V rails (wiring circuits) and the ground wiring. I may be
wrong here as it may check for leakage to sea ground which is a
different thing on Amels. Anyway, what it is looking for is a path being
set up that could lead to electrolysis. I don't have a wiring diagram
and I am not sure that looking at it will reveal how it is wired, but I
will take a look when I am on the boat later today.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 27/03/2012 03:54, Sailormon wrote:

Hi Ian,

What stray paths does it check>

Does it check the dc side to the ac side?

If so how is it connected?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Ian Shepherd
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:38 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)

Hi Eric,

my first SM didn't have it either but the 2000 model did. It's a switch
and two lamps that tests the positive and negative circuits for any
stray path to ground. If there is one, then the respective light will
illuminate when the spring loaded switch is depressed. In Lorenzo's
case, sea water leaking from the toilet bowl into the macerator pump via
a worn seal created a circuit between either the pos or neg to the
earthing wire.

Whether such a system can be retro-fitted to other than Super Maramu's
is a question for Amel. I guess it will depend on the design of the
grounding system.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 25/03/2012 19:46, Sailormon wrote:

Sorry,

I don't have that on my boat.

What is it supposed to signify?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ferruccilorenzo
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)

Eric, the light is on the left of the stair,where is the sea-water
filter
alarm.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Ian Shepherd
<sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Lorenzo,

I had this once on my SM. I assume that the light turns red only when
you operate the test switch to either the + or - setting?
Yes, it became red only when I switch to the "mass -"

It means that
you have an electrolysis path somewhere in the boat. In my case it was
caused by a leaking seal on the aft Jabsco toilet flush motor, the
salt
water causing a circuit within the motor. A simple test would be to
lift
the covers off both the motors and disconnect the wires. (They are
attached through spade connectors). If this stops the light coming on,
then that's your problem.
I'm going to test it

Of course it could be elsewhere. Try isolating
items with circuit breakers, such as the windlass, furling motors etc
till you find it.
Are you sure if I switch off the circuit braker the light will be turn
off?

My bet is on the toilet motors!

I will let you know :)
Thanks a lot

By the way I have successfully converted my toilets to fresh water.
More
and pictures when I get a moment to upload them.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 25/03/2012 01:01, ferruccilorenzo wrote:

Does anyone could suggest me how can I find the reason why the
"masse
-" tester light is red?
The light turn off only if batteries (6 months life) are cut off.
Nothing happen if I switch off the buttons on 24V panel.
Thanks to all!
Lorenzo SM 420 Red Passion










Re: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Eric,

as far as I know it checks for any DC leakage between the positive and
negative 24V rails (wiring circuits) and the ground wiring. I may be
wrong here as it may check for leakage to sea ground which is a
different thing on Amels. Anyway, what it is looking for is a path being
set up that could lead to electrolysis. I don't have a wiring diagram
and I am not sure that looking at it will reveal how it is wired, but I
will take a look when I am on the boat later today.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 27/03/2012 03:54, Sailormon wrote:

Hi Ian,

What stray paths does it check>

Does it check the dc side to the ac side?

If so how is it connected?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Ian Shepherd
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:38 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)

Hi Eric,

my first SM didn't have it either but the 2000 model did. It's a switch
and two lamps that tests the positive and negative circuits for any
stray path to ground. If there is one, then the respective light will
illuminate when the spring loaded switch is depressed. In Lorenzo's
case, sea water leaking from the toilet bowl into the macerator pump via
a worn seal created a circuit between either the pos or neg to the
earthing wire.

Whether such a system can be retro-fitted to other than Super Maramu's
is a question for Amel. I guess it will depend on the design of the
grounding system.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 25/03/2012 19:46, Sailormon wrote:

Sorry,

I don't have that on my boat.

What is it supposed to signify?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ferruccilorenzo
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)

Eric, the light is on the left of the stair,where is the sea-water
filter
alarm.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Ian Shepherd
<sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Lorenzo,

I had this once on my SM. I assume that the light turns red only when
you operate the test switch to either the + or - setting?
Yes, it became red only when I switch to the "mass -"

It means that
you have an electrolysis path somewhere in the boat. In my case it was
caused by a leaking seal on the aft Jabsco toilet flush motor, the
salt
water causing a circuit within the motor. A simple test would be to
lift
the covers off both the motors and disconnect the wires. (They are
attached through spade connectors). If this stops the light coming on,
then that's your problem.
I'm going to test it

Of course it could be elsewhere. Try isolating
items with circuit breakers, such as the windlass, furling motors etc
till you find it.
Are you sure if I switch off the circuit braker the light will be turn
off?

My bet is on the toilet motors!

I will let you know :)
Thanks a lot

By the way I have successfully converted my toilets to fresh water.
More
and pictures when I get a moment to upload them.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 25/03/2012 01:01, ferruccilorenzo wrote:

Does anyone could suggest me how can I find the reason why the
"masse
-" tester light is red?
The light turn off only if batteries (6 months life) are cut off.
Nothing happen if I switch off the buttons on 24V panel.
Thanks to all!
Lorenzo SM 420 Red Passion










Jabsco

Eric Freedman
 

Hi,

Depco pumps (on the internet) stocks all the parts for jabsco, and has
exploded drawings of most pumps and toilets with part numbers.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Shepherd
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:41 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Masse - (red light)





Glad we found the problem so easily Lorenzo. Yes getting the black
impeller off the shaft can be difficult without breaking it. Spares are
available from Jabsco.

Good luck

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 26/03/2012 20:40, ferruccilorenzo wrote:

Ian, Your bet was right!!!! The problem is the toilet macerator. There
was a leak (water was inside). Now I'm trying to repair the macerator.
I wasn't be able to extract a black plastic piece (macerator
housing)...Tomorrow I will try with vinegard to fight limestone...
Thanks, see you soon guys
Ps sorry for my bad English


Re: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Ian,

What stray paths does it check>

Does it check the dc side to the ac side?

If so how is it connected?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Shepherd
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:38 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)





Hi Eric,

my first SM didn't have it either but the 2000 model did. It's a switch
and two lamps that tests the positive and negative circuits for any
stray path to ground. If there is one, then the respective light will
illuminate when the spring loaded switch is depressed. In Lorenzo's
case, sea water leaking from the toilet bowl into the macerator pump via
a worn seal created a circuit between either the pos or neg to the
earthing wire.

Whether such a system can be retro-fitted to other than Super Maramu's
is a question for Amel. I guess it will depend on the design of the
grounding system.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 25/03/2012 19:46, Sailormon wrote:

Sorry,

I don't have that on my boat.

What is it supposed to signify?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ferruccilorenzo
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)

Eric, the light is on the left of the stair,where is the sea-water filter
alarm.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Ian Shepherd
<sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Lorenzo,

I had this once on my SM. I assume that the light turns red only when
you operate the test switch to either the + or - setting?
Yes, it became red only when I switch to the "mass -"

It means that
you have an electrolysis path somewhere in the boat. In my case it was
caused by a leaking seal on the aft Jabsco toilet flush motor, the salt
water causing a circuit within the motor. A simple test would be to
lift
the covers off both the motors and disconnect the wires. (They are
attached through spade connectors). If this stops the light coming on,
then that's your problem.
I'm going to test it

Of course it could be elsewhere. Try isolating
items with circuit breakers, such as the windlass, furling motors etc
till you find it.
Are you sure if I switch off the circuit braker the light will be turn
off?

My bet is on the toilet motors!

I will let you know :)
Thanks a lot

By the way I have successfully converted my toilets to fresh water.
More
and pictures when I get a moment to upload them.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 25/03/2012 01:01, ferruccilorenzo wrote:

Does anyone could suggest me how can I find the reason why the "masse
-" tester light is red?
The light turn off only if batteries (6 months life) are cut off.
Nothing happen if I switch off the buttons on 24V panel.
Thanks to all!
Lorenzo SM 420 Red Passion






Re: [Amel] Masse - (red light)

Ian Shepherd
 

Glad we found the problem so easily Lorenzo. Yes getting the black
impeller off the shaft can be difficult without breaking it. Spares are
available from Jabsco.

Good luck

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 26/03/2012 20:40, ferruccilorenzo wrote:

Ian, Your bet was right!!!! The problem is the toilet macerator. There
was a leak (water was inside). Now I'm trying to repair the macerator.
I wasn't be able to extract a black plastic piece (macerator
housing)...Tomorrow I will try with vinegard to fight limestone...
Thanks, see you soon guys
Ps sorry for my bad English


Re: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Eric,

my first SM didn't have it either but the 2000 model did. It's a switch
and two lamps that tests the positive and negative circuits for any
stray path to ground. If there is one, then the respective light will
illuminate when the spring loaded switch is depressed. In Lorenzo's
case, sea water leaking from the toilet bowl into the macerator pump via
a worn seal created a circuit between either the pos or neg to the
earthing wire.

Whether such a system can be retro-fitted to other than Super Maramu's
is a question for Amel. I guess it will depend on the design of the
grounding system.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 25/03/2012 19:46, Sailormon wrote:

Sorry,

I don't have that on my boat.

What is it supposed to signify?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ferruccilorenzo
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:16 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: [Amel] Re: Masse - (red light)

Eric, the light is on the left of the stair,where is the sea-water filter
alarm.

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<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Ian Shepherd
<sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Lorenzo,

I had this once on my SM. I assume that the light turns red only when
you operate the test switch to either the + or - setting?
Yes, it became red only when I switch to the "mass -"

It means that
you have an electrolysis path somewhere in the boat. In my case it was
caused by a leaking seal on the aft Jabsco toilet flush motor, the salt
water causing a circuit within the motor. A simple test would be to
lift
the covers off both the motors and disconnect the wires. (They are
attached through spade connectors). If this stops the light coming on,
then that's your problem.
I'm going to test it

Of course it could be elsewhere. Try isolating
items with circuit breakers, such as the windlass, furling motors etc
till you find it.
Are you sure if I switch off the circuit braker the light will be turn
off?

My bet is on the toilet motors!

I will let you know :)
Thanks a lot

By the way I have successfully converted my toilets to fresh water.
More
and pictures when I get a moment to upload them.

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader

On 25/03/2012 01:01, ferruccilorenzo wrote:

Does anyone could suggest me how can I find the reason why the "masse
-" tester light is red?
The light turn off only if batteries (6 months life) are cut off.
Nothing happen if I switch off the buttons on 24V panel.
Thanks to all!
Lorenzo SM 420 Red Passion






Re: .macerator housing

ferruccilorenzo <ferruccilorenzo@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, john martin <symoondog@...> wrote:


When you get the plastic housing out, be sure and coat the outside of it with some heavy grease before you put it back together. John "moon Dog"

Thanks John, I will do it surely!! But now the trouble is how to replace the old,it's like glued...


Re: .macerator housing

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

When you get the plastic housing out, be sure and coat the outside of it with some heavy grease before you put it back together. John "moon Dog"




To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: ferruccilorenzo@yahoo.it
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:40:29 +0000
Subject: Re: [Amel] Masse - (red light)






Ian, Your bet was right!!!! The problem is the toilet macerator. There was a leak (water was inside). Now I'm trying to repair the macerator.
I wasn't be able to extract a black plastic piece (macerator housing)...Tomorrow I will try with vinegard to fight limestone...
Thanks, see you soon guys
Ps sorry for my bad English






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Re: [Amel] Masse - (red light)

Geza Szabo <rotormail@...>
 

Hi,
it sounds to me that this warning light is very usefull.
In my Amel Euros 41 I don't have this feature. Would it be possible to
retrofitt something like this?
Cheers
Geza

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:40 AM, ferruccilorenzo
<ferruccilorenzo@yahoo.it>wrote:

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Ian, Your bet was right!!!! The problem is the toilet macerator. There was
a leak (water was inside). Now I'm trying to repair the macerator.
I wasn't be able to extract a black plastic piece (macerator
housing)...Tomorrow I will try with vinegard to fight limestone...
Thanks, see you soon guys
Ps sorry for my bad English



Re: [Amel] Masse - (red light)

ferruccilorenzo <ferruccilorenzo@...>
 

Ian, Your bet was right!!!! The problem is the toilet macerator. There was a leak (water was inside). Now I'm trying to repair the macerator.
I wasn't be able to extract a black plastic piece (macerator housing)...Tomorrow I will try with vinegard to fight limestone...
Thanks, see you soon guys
Ps sorry for my bad English