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Re: [Amel] Re: Water Under Salon Floor

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Rapp
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Water Under Salon Floor





I had the same problem on "Antares" SM2k.
The water was coming from the salon a/c. There is a condensation pan with a
small drain tube that does communicate with the wet bilge. However, the pan
was installed tight against the port hull, with a corner cut off
to accommodate the hull shape. The condensate was free to pour over this
corner into the dry bilge, especially on a starboard tack.
This all seemed very un-Amel like to me. Joel Potter ("he who knows all")
promised he would fix it for me before he sold my boat. Perhaps he will
make a suggestion to the group.
Jeffrey Rapp
"Antares" SM2k


Re: [Amel] Re: Water Under Salon Floor

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

I agree with richard on this. I owned a boat with an open bildge to the salon area for 30 years putting up with the smell of diesel and bildge odors. Now when any one comes aboard it's just the cooking odor are whatever. I've been lucky and have never had a drop of water in the main cabin bildge. I used to get a little in the one outside of the forward head until I learned to change the lip seal on the bow thruster regular and grease the shaft. Any how, my solution for checking the bildge daily was to put the wine in under the main floor hatches.
John "Moon Dog" SM 248To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: richard03801@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:47:18 -0400
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Water Under Salon Floor




























Hi the simple answer is that with an open port to the engine room the odors and mold would invade the boat.



Regards SM 209 for sale in Annapolis



Richard Piller



Cell 603 767 5330



On Mar 31, 2012, at 10:35, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@yahoo.com> wrote:



Thanks Eric. I think those would be great as spares.
I'm still wondering why the water doesn't drain into the engine room bilge by design though. It's a lot easier to have the bilge pump and its automatic float switch taking care of the water, than having to rig up a stand-by system when needed. Unless one is constantly checking under the salon floor for the water level, or has installed alarm switches like Bill on Bebe, it probably wouldn't be apparent until the water got above the floor.
Steve,
SM 340
Summer Love
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:
I keep a very large Edson Diaphragm pump in the bilge in front of the sink along with its hoses, I also keep an electric 24 volt ,3200GPH pump with hoses and electrical cable with battery clips attached in an adjoining bilge. These would be my pumps to use in an emergency.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svsummerlove
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor
Thanks for the reply and the tip for using the wet vac Richard.
As I said in my original post, I already know where the water came from. I just have to be alert enough to realize it's accumulating there before it creates a mess. The air conditioner managed to dump about 40-50 gallons into every compartment under there before I realized what was happening. The water was within 3" of the floorboards at the companionway. At least it was clean fresh water, but it soaked all my spares.
My biggest concern right now is that I have a boat with no way to pump water out of the main cabin in case of a hull breach. Any hole in the middle section of the hull, or any failure of a hatch or port in the right conditions, and I'll have sea water pouring into an area that can't be pumped out. The only way to get that water to the bilge pump is to open up one of the water-tight doors and wait until the level is high enough to pour over the sill into one of the shower stalls. By that time, it will be high enough to be sloshing all over the 24VDC to 12VDC converters under the nav station, which supply power to ALL the electronics. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of... a boat with no way for incoming sea water to drain naturally into the bilge. I have no doubt AMEL has a logical reason for designing it this way. I just can't figure out what it is right now.
Does anyone else have any idea why it's been designed this way.
Thanks,
Steve
SM340
Summer Love
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:
Hi the most likely leak is from the companion way. There is a rubber seal on the cockpit side that is the likely problem. Or you may have over filed the water tank. On the Maramu there was a plug that could BE removed to drain the area. There has never been a post that I can recall about floating floorboards. When you do get water under there a shop/water vac does the job very well.
Regards and good luck SM209 for sale in Annapolis.
Richard Piller
Cell 603 767 5330
On Mar 29, 2012, at 19:57, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@> wrote:
I've had two instances where a considerable amount of water has accumulated in the storage compartments under the floor of the salon in my SM. One was due to the air conditioning unit freezing up and dumping condensation water into it. The other was a heavy rain squall with the middle hatch left open.
What I've discovered, is there is no way for any of that water to drain into the bilge so it can be pumped overboard. It will continue to rise until it literally starts to cover the salon floor, soaking everything stored under there in the process. I've looked everywhere for a plugged drain hole or closed drain valve. It's just a big tub under there. There are hoses running through this area, which carry drain water from the chain locker, forward cabin and shower to the bilge sump, but nothing to drain the salon area itself.
Am I missing something here? I can't believe AMEL would design it that way on purpose, or forget to install it on an individual boat. It would be easy enough for me to splice into the forward hose where it goes through the bulkhead into the engine room, and put a shut-off valve on it so it maintains the integrity between the water-tight doors. Before I do that though, how does everyone else deal with getting rid of water under the main salon other than bailing it out with a pail and a sponge?
Many thanks,
Steve
SM 340
Summer Love
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Re: [Amel] Re: Water Under Salon Floor

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

If you tee those lines be very very sure to do it with a one way valve or you'll flood the boat. There is really no good way to drain those lockers. Best to keep the water out to start with.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 31, 2012, at 11:01, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@yahoo.com> wrote:

Good point... but if thats the case, the same odors and mold should invade the forward and aft cabins via the existing drain hoses between the engine room bulkhead and the shower sumps and galley. If I tap into that same drain hose with a T-fitting and put a shut-off valve/strainer on it, I should have no more odor problems than I have now, even if I left the valve open all the time. If I do as Bill suggests, and also install a water alarm beside the T-fitting, I'd know if water was even accumulating there and put a stop to it before it does any damage.

Steve
SM 340
Summer LOve

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi the simple answer is that with an open port to the engine room the odors and mold would invade the boat.

Regards SM 209 for sale in Annapolis

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 31, 2012, at 10:35, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@...> wrote:

Thanks Eric. I think those would be great as spares.

I'm still wondering why the water doesn't drain into the engine room bilge by design though. It's a lot easier to have the bilge pump and its automatic float switch taking care of the water, than having to rig up a stand-by system when needed. Unless one is constantly checking under the salon floor for the water level, or has installed alarm switches like Bill on Bebe, it probably wouldn't be apparent until the water got above the floor.

Steve,
SM 340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:

I keep a very large Edson Diaphragm pump in the bilge in front of the sink along with its hoses, I also keep an electric 24 volt ,3200GPH pump with hoses and electrical cable with battery clips attached in an adjoining bilge. These would be my pumps to use in an emergency.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svsummerlove
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor





Thanks for the reply and the tip for using the wet vac Richard.

As I said in my original post, I already know where the water came from. I just have to be alert enough to realize it's accumulating there before it creates a mess. The air conditioner managed to dump about 40-50 gallons into every compartment under there before I realized what was happening. The water was within 3" of the floorboards at the companionway. At least it was clean fresh water, but it soaked all my spares.

My biggest concern right now is that I have a boat with no way to pump water out of the main cabin in case of a hull breach. Any hole in the middle section of the hull, or any failure of a hatch or port in the right conditions, and I'll have sea water pouring into an area that can't be pumped out. The only way to get that water to the bilge pump is to open up one of the water-tight doors and wait until the level is high enough to pour over the sill into one of the shower stalls. By that time, it will be high enough to be sloshing all over the 24VDC to 12VDC converters under the nav station, which supply power to ALL the electronics. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of... a boat with no way for incoming sea water to drain naturally into the bilge. I have no doubt AMEL has a logical reason for designing it this way. I just can't figure out what it is right now.

Does anyone else have any idea why it's been designed this way.

Thanks,
Steve
SM340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi the most likely leak is from the companion way. There is a rubber seal on the cockpit side that is the likely problem. Or you may have over filed the water tank. On the Maramu there was a plug that could BE removed to drain the area. There has never been a post that I can recall about floating floorboards. When you do get water under there a shop/water vac does the job very well.


Regards and good luck SM209 for sale in Annapolis.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 29, 2012, at 19:57, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@> wrote:

I've had two instances where a considerable amount of water has accumulated in the storage compartments under the floor of the salon in my SM. One was due to the air conditioning unit freezing up and dumping condensation water into it. The other was a heavy rain squall with the middle hatch left open.

What I've discovered, is there is no way for any of that water to drain into the bilge so it can be pumped overboard. It will continue to rise until it literally starts to cover the salon floor, soaking everything stored under there in the process. I've looked everywhere for a plugged drain hole or closed drain valve. It's just a big tub under there. There are hoses running through this area, which carry drain water from the chain locker, forward cabin and shower to the bilge sump, but nothing to drain the salon area itself.

Am I missing something here? I can't believe AMEL would design it that way on purpose, or forget to install it on an individual boat. It would be easy enough for me to splice into the forward hose where it goes through the bulkhead into the engine room, and put a shut-off valve on it so it maintains the integrity between the water-tight doors. Before I do that though, how does everyone else deal with getting rid of water under the main salon other than bailing it out with a pail and a sponge?

Many thanks,

Steve
SM 340
Summer Love




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Re: Water Under Salon Floor

Jeffrey Rapp <rapp.jeffrey@...>
 

I had the same problem on "Antares" SM2k.
The water was coming from the salon a/c. There is a condensation pan with a
small drain tube that does communicate with the wet bilge. However, the pan
was installed tight against the port hull, with a corner cut off
to accommodate the hull shape. The condensate was free to pour over this
corner into the dry bilge, especially on a starboard tack.
This all seemed very un-Amel like to me. Joel Potter ("he who knows all")
promised he would fix it for me before he sold my boat. Perhaps he will
make a suggestion to the group.
Jeffrey Rapp
"Antares" SM2k


Freshwater Toilet Conversion

Ian Shepherd
 

I have successfully converted Crusader's toilets to a freshwater flush. Hopefully there will now be no further smells from stagnant seawater, no more scaling of the waste pipes and there is now blue scented water with every flush.

Mindful that Amel had a problem when they tried to do this, I turned to Thomas Crapper for inspiration and copied what is in many a household loo. There are however two differences to contend with. The cistern tank concept and ballcock assembly need to be able to cope with pitching and rolling, and there must never be any back flow into our only freshwater tank. Here is how it was done. Pictures have been uploaded into an album called Crusader Modifications.

I purchased a 57 litre plastic tank with a screw lid from a local chandlers. This fits nicely forward of the main engine. I drilled a wooden block that fits tightly over the bolts that hold the steel crossbeam over the prop drive unit. Two channels were routed on the underside of the block to fit snugly over the vertical edges of the cross beam. To this block I fabricated a wooden plinth for the tank to sit on, with side pieces to stop sideways and fore and aft movement. This was screwed and glued to the block underneath. To the top of the plinth I glued some anti-slip matting to stop sliding. The tank is further secured by two straps that pass under the cross beam.

All further parts came from a plumbers store and were made of brass. A ball cock valve was mounted near the top of the tank along the centreline with the fill connection on the forward side. The valve was adjusted so that inflow of fresh water stops at around 40% full. There is thus a considerable gap between the top of the toilet flush water and the fill pipe. For good measure I also installed two non return valves in the fresh water fill line (of different makes) and a stop cock in case I need to shut off the supply. The fill hose is connected to the fresh water system via a T connector inserted into the hose that runs up from the fresh water pump manifold to the hose connection valve located under the helmsman's seat.

Two holes were drilled in the top of the tank for the elbow connectors that connect plastic piping to the respective toilet flush motors. (The original pipes from the sea water manifold need to be capped off. This is easily achieved by using tapered pipe fittings with screw caps on them). More pipe is connected to the underside of the tank top and cut so that the ends lie flush on the bottom of the tank around the mid position. A small hole was also drilled on the top so that a breather pipe could be installed. With the screw down airtight lid installed air needs to be able to flow in and out of the tank as the level changes. Finally throw in one of those toilet blue tablets and you have very attractive fresh toilet water.

The wooden support assembly was measured very accurately is very secure. I had to jump on it to settle it on the crossbeam. Sea trials, so far in F7 conditions, have shown no problems at all to both the tank mounting and flush operation. The ballcock does not seem to open and close as the boat rolls as it is mounted on the centreline in a fore-aft axis. The system is working very well indeed and did not cost more than about $200 in all. Thank you Mr C!

I have also converted my anchor wash to fresh water. This was easily achieved by again using a T connector in the deck hose supply line, then connecting to the anchor wash piping via a 24V solenoid water valve which I bought on eBay for $15 with free shipping from China. The power is swapped from the original sea water wash pump to the solenoid. The anchor wash pump is capped off and the fresh water pump sends the water to the bow. I do have the uprated pump (A88 instead of the A66) but if anything there is too much water, so I fitted a gate valve so that I can regulate the flow. I am investigating a company that specialises in spray nozzles to perhaps make the chain washing more efficient.

In summary, well worth a small amount of effort.

Ian Shepherd SM 2000 414 'Crusader'


Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor

svsummerlove <svsummerlove@...>
 

Great advice Bill.

I think I've already experienced most of those except the grandkids spilling water. Plenty of adults spilling beer, but no grandkids spilling water yet. :-)

I agree... a steady small drip can add up to gallons over a few days if not noticed. I was amazed at how much condensate the AC unit put out. The problem wasn't a plugged drain. The entire unit got frost all over it, which eventually spread ice into the drain pan. As it melted on the upper part of the compressor, it poured over the side and cascaded one compartment at a time.

I like the idea of the cheap water detectors. What model did you buy?

Thanks,

Steve
SM 340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

For what it is worth, my 2 cents. I think if you go through my list carefully, you will have dry areas below the floor.

There are several ways to get water in the floor...check these out:

Galley Area:
1.) Water running down the outside of the companionway door
2.) Overfilling the fresh water tank and water running out of the tank-gauge-pipe
3.) Leaking fresh water supply line or drain on the dishwasher or sink
4.) Air Conditioner condensation drain is plugged
5.) Inspection hatch for fresh water tank not secured
6.) Condensation drain hose on galley fridge disconnected at union
7.) Grandkids spilling water at the dining table and not telling
8.) My all time hardest-to-find water source was the connection of the flexible hose to the wand at the kitchen sink. It leaked inside the shaft that holds the wand in place...just a slight drip-drip...never saw it leaking, but over time accumulated significant water.

Forward of the forward bulkhead:
1.) Any water leaking in this area will run to the lowest point which is under the inspection which is under the carpet outside the head...most obvious is the depth sounder which will have water around it, no matter the source...however I have never found sounder leaking
2.) Air Conditioner condensation drain plugged
3.) Bow Thruster:
Bow Thruster is deployed while sailing
Bow Thruster shaft seals are worn or not properly installed
Bow Thruster "secure pin" is not pinned while underway.

BTW, we bought several cheap, battery powered water detectors. Installed one below the sink area and one near the depth sounder.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:

I keep a very large Edson Diaphragm pump in the bilge in front of the sink along with its hoses, I also keep an electric 24 volt ,3200GPH pump with hoses and electrical cable with battery clips attached in an adjoining bilge. These would be my pumps to use in an emergency.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svsummerlove
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor





Thanks for the reply and the tip for using the wet vac Richard.

As I said in my original post, I already know where the water came from. I just have to be alert enough to realize it's accumulating there before it creates a mess. The air conditioner managed to dump about 40-50 gallons into every compartment under there before I realized what was happening. The water was within 3" of the floorboards at the companionway. At least it was clean fresh water, but it soaked all my spares.

My biggest concern right now is that I have a boat with no way to pump water out of the main cabin in case of a hull breach. Any hole in the middle section of the hull, or any failure of a hatch or port in the right conditions, and I'll have sea water pouring into an area that can't be pumped out. The only way to get that water to the bilge pump is to open up one of the water-tight doors and wait until the level is high enough to pour over the sill into one of the shower stalls. By that time, it will be high enough to be sloshing all over the 24VDC to 12VDC converters under the nav station, which supply power to ALL the electronics. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of... a boat with no way for incoming sea water to drain naturally into the bilge. I have no doubt AMEL has a logical reason for designing it this way. I just can't figure out what it is right now.

Does anyone else have any idea why it's been designed this way.

Thanks,
Steve
SM340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi the most likely leak is from the companion way. There is a rubber seal on the cockpit side that is the likely problem. Or you may have over filed the water tank. On the Maramu there was a plug that could BE removed to drain the area. There has never been a post that I can recall about floating floorboards. When you do get water under there a shop/water vac does the job very well.


Regards and good luck SM209 for sale in Annapolis.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 29, 2012, at 19:57, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@> wrote:

I've had two instances where a considerable amount of water has accumulated in the storage compartments under the floor of the salon in my SM. One was due to the air conditioning unit freezing up and dumping condensation water into it. The other was a heavy rain squall with the middle hatch left open.

What I've discovered, is there is no way for any of that water to drain into the bilge so it can be pumped overboard. It will continue to rise until it literally starts to cover the salon floor, soaking everything stored under there in the process. I've looked everywhere for a plugged drain hole or closed drain valve. It's just a big tub under there. There are hoses running through this area, which carry drain water from the chain locker, forward cabin and shower to the bilge sump, but nothing to drain the salon area itself.

Am I missing something here? I can't believe AMEL would design it that way on purpose, or forget to install it on an individual boat. It would be easy enough for me to splice into the forward hose where it goes through the bulkhead into the engine room, and put a shut-off valve on it so it maintains the integrity between the water-tight doors. Before I do that though, how does everyone else deal with getting rid of water under the main salon other than bailing it out with a pail and a sponge?

Many thanks,

Steve
SM 340
Summer Love




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[Amel] Re: Water Under Salon Floor

svsummerlove <svsummerlove@...>
 

Good point... but if thats the case, the same odors and mold should invade the forward and aft cabins via the existing drain hoses between the engine room bulkhead and the shower sumps and galley. If I tap into that same drain hose with a T-fitting and put a shut-off valve/strainer on it, I should have no more odor problems than I have now, even if I left the valve open all the time. If I do as Bill suggests, and also install a water alarm beside the T-fitting, I'd know if water was even accumulating there and put a stop to it before it does any damage.

Steve
SM 340
Summer LOve

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi the simple answer is that with an open port to the engine room the odors and mold would invade the boat.

Regards SM 209 for sale in Annapolis

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 31, 2012, at 10:35, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@...> wrote:

Thanks Eric. I think those would be great as spares.

I'm still wondering why the water doesn't drain into the engine room bilge by design though. It's a lot easier to have the bilge pump and its automatic float switch taking care of the water, than having to rig up a stand-by system when needed. Unless one is constantly checking under the salon floor for the water level, or has installed alarm switches like Bill on Bebe, it probably wouldn't be apparent until the water got above the floor.

Steve,
SM 340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:

I keep a very large Edson Diaphragm pump in the bilge in front of the sink along with its hoses, I also keep an electric 24 volt ,3200GPH pump with hoses and electrical cable with battery clips attached in an adjoining bilge. These would be my pumps to use in an emergency.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svsummerlove
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor





Thanks for the reply and the tip for using the wet vac Richard.

As I said in my original post, I already know where the water came from. I just have to be alert enough to realize it's accumulating there before it creates a mess. The air conditioner managed to dump about 40-50 gallons into every compartment under there before I realized what was happening. The water was within 3" of the floorboards at the companionway. At least it was clean fresh water, but it soaked all my spares.

My biggest concern right now is that I have a boat with no way to pump water out of the main cabin in case of a hull breach. Any hole in the middle section of the hull, or any failure of a hatch or port in the right conditions, and I'll have sea water pouring into an area that can't be pumped out. The only way to get that water to the bilge pump is to open up one of the water-tight doors and wait until the level is high enough to pour over the sill into one of the shower stalls. By that time, it will be high enough to be sloshing all over the 24VDC to 12VDC converters under the nav station, which supply power to ALL the electronics. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of... a boat with no way for incoming sea water to drain naturally into the bilge. I have no doubt AMEL has a logical reason for designing it this way. I just can't figure out what it is right now.

Does anyone else have any idea why it's been designed this way.

Thanks,
Steve
SM340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi the most likely leak is from the companion way. There is a rubber seal on the cockpit side that is the likely problem. Or you may have over filed the water tank. On the Maramu there was a plug that could BE removed to drain the area. There has never been a post that I can recall about floating floorboards. When you do get water under there a shop/water vac does the job very well.


Regards and good luck SM209 for sale in Annapolis.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 29, 2012, at 19:57, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@> wrote:

I've had two instances where a considerable amount of water has accumulated in the storage compartments under the floor of the salon in my SM. One was due to the air conditioning unit freezing up and dumping condensation water into it. The other was a heavy rain squall with the middle hatch left open.

What I've discovered, is there is no way for any of that water to drain into the bilge so it can be pumped overboard. It will continue to rise until it literally starts to cover the salon floor, soaking everything stored under there in the process. I've looked everywhere for a plugged drain hole or closed drain valve. It's just a big tub under there. There are hoses running through this area, which carry drain water from the chain locker, forward cabin and shower to the bilge sump, but nothing to drain the salon area itself.

Am I missing something here? I can't believe AMEL would design it that way on purpose, or forget to install it on an individual boat. It would be easy enough for me to splice into the forward hose where it goes through the bulkhead into the engine room, and put a shut-off valve on it so it maintains the integrity between the water-tight doors. Before I do that though, how does everyone else deal with getting rid of water under the main salon other than bailing it out with a pail and a sponge?

Many thanks,

Steve
SM 340
Summer Love




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Re: [Amel] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts?

svsummerlove <svsummerlove@...>
 

Thanks Bill.

I think it's probably the same company, but this website doesn't seem to mention anything about dishwashers, just washing machines. I couldn't find a site search function to do a search on Eunemia either. I'll see if one of the other cruisers can compose an email in German for me to send.

Steve
SM 340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

I found that the website listed below does not work.

I did find the following website for EUDORA SOBA Vertriebs GmbH
http://www.eudora-qualitaet-ein-leben-lang.at/

Not sure if this is it.

Bill
BeBe, Sm2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@> wrote:

Thanks Armin.

There are enough German speakers here that someone should be able to translate for me.

Steve

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "N4796P@" <n4796p@> wrote:

I have put the spare part list and the user manual (sorry in german
only) into the FILES.

Spare parts should be availlable at:
EUDORA SOBA Vertriebs GmbH
Gunskirchner Straße 19
4600 Wels
Tel. 0043/(0)7242/485
www(dot)eudorasoba(dot)at

Armin
SY ASHIA, #357, SM2k


Am 30.03.2012 01:28, schrieb svsummerlove:

Does anyone know where to buy parts for the Eumenia Mini 5500 dishwasher
in the SM? Web searches don't come up with much, other than the unit is
still built somewhere.
SteveSM 340Summer Love

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Re: [Amel] Re: Water Under Salon Floor

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi the simple answer is that with an open port to the engine room the odors and mold would invade the boat.

Regards SM 209 for sale in Annapolis

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 31, 2012, at 10:35, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks Eric. I think those would be great as spares.

I'm still wondering why the water doesn't drain into the engine room bilge by design though. It's a lot easier to have the bilge pump and its automatic float switch taking care of the water, than having to rig up a stand-by system when needed. Unless one is constantly checking under the salon floor for the water level, or has installed alarm switches like Bill on Bebe, it probably wouldn't be apparent until the water got above the floor.

Steve,
SM 340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I keep a very large Edson Diaphragm pump in the bilge in front of the sink along with its hoses, I also keep an electric 24 volt ,3200GPH pump with hoses and electrical cable with battery clips attached in an adjoining bilge. These would be my pumps to use in an emergency.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svsummerlove
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor





Thanks for the reply and the tip for using the wet vac Richard.

As I said in my original post, I already know where the water came from. I just have to be alert enough to realize it's accumulating there before it creates a mess. The air conditioner managed to dump about 40-50 gallons into every compartment under there before I realized what was happening. The water was within 3" of the floorboards at the companionway. At least it was clean fresh water, but it soaked all my spares.

My biggest concern right now is that I have a boat with no way to pump water out of the main cabin in case of a hull breach. Any hole in the middle section of the hull, or any failure of a hatch or port in the right conditions, and I'll have sea water pouring into an area that can't be pumped out. The only way to get that water to the bilge pump is to open up one of the water-tight doors and wait until the level is high enough to pour over the sill into one of the shower stalls. By that time, it will be high enough to be sloshing all over the 24VDC to 12VDC converters under the nav station, which supply power to ALL the electronics. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of... a boat with no way for incoming sea water to drain naturally into the bilge. I have no doubt AMEL has a logical reason for designing it this way. I just can't figure out what it is right now.

Does anyone else have any idea why it's been designed this way.

Thanks,
Steve
SM340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi the most likely leak is from the companion way. There is a rubber seal on the cockpit side that is the likely problem. Or you may have over filed the water tank. On the Maramu there was a plug that could BE removed to drain the area. There has never been a post that I can recall about floating floorboards. When you do get water under there a shop/water vac does the job very well.


Regards and good luck SM209 for sale in Annapolis.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 29, 2012, at 19:57, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@> wrote:

I've had two instances where a considerable amount of water has accumulated in the storage compartments under the floor of the salon in my SM. One was due to the air conditioning unit freezing up and dumping condensation water into it. The other was a heavy rain squall with the middle hatch left open.

What I've discovered, is there is no way for any of that water to drain into the bilge so it can be pumped overboard. It will continue to rise until it literally starts to cover the salon floor, soaking everything stored under there in the process. I've looked everywhere for a plugged drain hole or closed drain valve. It's just a big tub under there. There are hoses running through this area, which carry drain water from the chain locker, forward cabin and shower to the bilge sump, but nothing to drain the salon area itself.

Am I missing something here? I can't believe AMEL would design it that way on purpose, or forget to install it on an individual boat. It would be easy enough for me to splice into the forward hose where it goes through the bulkhead into the engine room, and put a shut-off valve on it so it maintains the integrity between the water-tight doors. Before I do that though, how does everyone else deal with getting rid of water under the main salon other than bailing it out with a pail and a sponge?

Many thanks,

Steve
SM 340
Summer Love




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Re: Water Under Salon Floor

svsummerlove <svsummerlove@...>
 

Thanks Eric. I think those would be great as spares.

I'm still wondering why the water doesn't drain into the engine room bilge by design though. It's a lot easier to have the bilge pump and its automatic float switch taking care of the water, than having to rig up a stand-by system when needed. Unless one is constantly checking under the salon floor for the water level, or has installed alarm switches like Bill on Bebe, it probably wouldn't be apparent until the water got above the floor.

Steve,
SM 340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I keep a very large Edson Diaphragm pump in the bilge in front of the sink along with its hoses, I also keep an electric 24 volt ,3200GPH pump with hoses and electrical cable with battery clips attached in an adjoining bilge. These would be my pumps to use in an emergency.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svsummerlove
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor





Thanks for the reply and the tip for using the wet vac Richard.

As I said in my original post, I already know where the water came from. I just have to be alert enough to realize it's accumulating there before it creates a mess. The air conditioner managed to dump about 40-50 gallons into every compartment under there before I realized what was happening. The water was within 3" of the floorboards at the companionway. At least it was clean fresh water, but it soaked all my spares.

My biggest concern right now is that I have a boat with no way to pump water out of the main cabin in case of a hull breach. Any hole in the middle section of the hull, or any failure of a hatch or port in the right conditions, and I'll have sea water pouring into an area that can't be pumped out. The only way to get that water to the bilge pump is to open up one of the water-tight doors and wait until the level is high enough to pour over the sill into one of the shower stalls. By that time, it will be high enough to be sloshing all over the 24VDC to 12VDC converters under the nav station, which supply power to ALL the electronics. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of... a boat with no way for incoming sea water to drain naturally into the bilge. I have no doubt AMEL has a logical reason for designing it this way. I just can't figure out what it is right now.

Does anyone else have any idea why it's been designed this way.

Thanks,
Steve
SM340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi the most likely leak is from the companion way. There is a rubber seal on the cockpit side that is the likely problem. Or you may have over filed the water tank. On the Maramu there was a plug that could BE removed to drain the area. There has never been a post that I can recall about floating floorboards. When you do get water under there a shop/water vac does the job very well.


Regards and good luck SM209 for sale in Annapolis.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 29, 2012, at 19:57, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@> wrote:

I've had two instances where a considerable amount of water has accumulated in the storage compartments under the floor of the salon in my SM. One was due to the air conditioning unit freezing up and dumping condensation water into it. The other was a heavy rain squall with the middle hatch left open.

What I've discovered, is there is no way for any of that water to drain into the bilge so it can be pumped overboard. It will continue to rise until it literally starts to cover the salon floor, soaking everything stored under there in the process. I've looked everywhere for a plugged drain hole or closed drain valve. It's just a big tub under there. There are hoses running through this area, which carry drain water from the chain locker, forward cabin and shower to the bilge sump, but nothing to drain the salon area itself.

Am I missing something here? I can't believe AMEL would design it that way on purpose, or forget to install it on an individual boat. It would be easy enough for me to splice into the forward hose where it goes through the bulkhead into the engine room, and put a shut-off valve on it so it maintains the integrity between the water-tight doors. Before I do that though, how does everyone else deal with getting rid of water under the main salon other than bailing it out with a pail and a sponge?

Many thanks,

Steve
SM 340
Summer Love




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Re: Odor under aft toilet cabinet

Craig Briggs
 

Gary,
I agree with "Bebe Bill" that it's usually the hose becoming permeated with odor. Following is from a post I made a couple of years ago - it's still odor free after 7 years!

"On my Santorin I replaced all the hose with rigid PVC piping and used flexible rubber couplings to the thruhull, toilet, tank & Y-valve to handle vibration & any movement. It works great, was easy to install (just cut and glue) and NEVER smells. Inexpensive and readily available at Home Depot or hardware. Use standard 1 1/2" pipe (Schedule 40(thick-wall)), elbows as needed and 1 1/2-to- 1 1/4 rubber connectors to toilet & thruhulls with stainless hose clamps.

I run muriatic (aka hydrocholoric) acid through it periodically to disolve salt buildup -(which works with hose, too.) Did it 5 years ago - still pristine."
Good luck,
Craig Briggs - SN#68 "SANGARIS"


Re: [Amel] Odor under aft toilet cabinet

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

See if you can find "sew clean" its for cleaning sewer pipes etc. Put a 1/2 gallon into the toilet and flush gently using the flush only cycle on the switch. Make sure the holding tank is closed. This should fill the bottom of the toilet, all the impellers, etc. plus the discharge line with the solution. After 24 hours,flush it out. Every couple of months, repeat this and you will have no problems with your toilet. Its condensed so a gallon makes 3 or 5 gallons I think. Another ideal is to hang the shower nozzle on the shower curtain clip next to the toilet, then when you use the toilet, aim the shower nozzle at the toilet and use the flush only switch on the wall. This is called a poor man's fresh water toilet. John "Moon Dog" SM 248




To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: bozocinq@wollenberg.net
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 00:20:25 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Odor under aft toilet cabinet






We have an Amel 54.
We have an odor under the sink in the aft bathroom under the sink, think it might be the holding tank. Any suggestions on how to get rid of the smell?
The manual suggests putting bleach in th holding tank, if so how much?
Comments!

Gary Wollenberg
Bozo Cinq #44


Re: [Amel] C Drive Broken

luvkante
 

yip, did it!!!
 
Sorry for the bad quality, never knew this pic might become important for someone.
 
Martin


________________________________
Von: Giovanni Testa <gtesta23@tin.it>
An: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: 11:01 Samstag, 31.März 2012
Betreff: Re: [Amel] C Drive Broken


 
Hi Martin,
may you post please pictures in "Amel SM Transmission/C-Drive " folder , second page "Photos" ?
all the best
Gianni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM2K 428

----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Komischke
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] C Drive Broken

Hi Kent,

I am not sure, whether this is really of use for you, but I have taken two photographs ot the C drive drawing, when I had a plant trip at La Rochelle. Unfortunately the quality of the photo is really bad.
If you are interested, pls send me your EMail adress.

Regards,

Martin
Amel 54 # 149
CHIARA

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Re: [Amel] C Drive Broken

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi Martin,
may you post please pictures in "Amel SM Transmission/C-Drive " folder , second page "Photos" ?
all the best
Gianni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM2K 428

----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Komischke
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] C Drive Broken



Hi Kent,

I am not sure, whether this is really of use for you, but I have taken two photographs ot the C drive drawing, when I had a plant trip at La Rochelle. Unfortunately the quality of the photo is really bad.
If you are interested, pls send me your EMail adress.

Regards,

Martin
Amel 54 # 149
CHIARA

Von meinem iPad gesendet


Re: [Amel] C Drive Broken

luvkante
 

Hi Kent,

I am not sure, whether this is really of use for you, but I have taken two photographs ot the C drive drawing, when I had a plant trip at La Rochelle. Unfortunately the quality of the photo is really bad.
If you are interested, pls send me your EMail adress.

Regards,

Martin
Amel 54 # 149
CHIARA

Von meinem iPad gesendet


Re: [Amel] C Drive Broken

Giovanni TESTA
 

Hi to all,
I have moved the picture " C_DRIVE by AMEL " from first page, folder "General", to second page, folder " Amel SM Transmission/C-Drive "
Buon Vento
Gianni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM2K 428
Raiatea

----- Original Message -----
From: amelliahona
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] C Drive Broken




Hi Gianni:

That is a great picture of the C drive. Might I suggest you post it again in the folder:

Amel SM Transmission C-Drive in the second page of folders. This will allow it to be more easily accesses under a meaningful file name in the future. Thanks again for the post.

Gary Silver
sv Liahona
Amel SM 2000 Hull # 335

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Giovanni Testa" <gtesta23@...> wrote:
>
> HI Kent,
> I have put a new photo " AMEL_C DRIVE " in "AMEL GENERAL" folder.
> I took this photo when I was to visit AMEL in La Rochelle.( 2003)
> I hope that it may..."not"... help you.
> Buon Vento
> Gianni
> sv EUTIKIA SM 428


Re: [Amel] Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts?

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

I found that the website listed below does not work.

I did find the following website for EUDORA SOBA Vertriebs GmbH
http://www.eudora-qualitaet-ein-leben-lang.at/

Not sure if this is it.

Bill
BeBe, Sm2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@...> wrote:

Thanks Armin.

There are enough German speakers here that someone should be able to translate for me.

Steve

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "N4796P@" <n4796p@> wrote:

I have put the spare part list and the user manual (sorry in german
only) into the FILES.

Spare parts should be availlable at:
EUDORA SOBA Vertriebs GmbH
Gunskirchner Straße 19
4600 Wels
Tel. 0043/(0)7242/485
www(dot)eudorasoba(dot)at

Armin
SY ASHIA, #357, SM2k


Am 30.03.2012 01:28, schrieb svsummerlove:

Does anyone know where to buy parts for the Eumenia Mini 5500 dishwasher
in the SM? Web searches don't come up with much, other than the unit is
still built somewhere.
SteveSM 340Summer Love

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Re: Odor under aft toilet cabinet

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Hi Gary,

You might want to look at photos on the Amel Group website: Head Service - Service of Toilet, Holding Tank & Connections
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1980087538/pic/list

The photos are of a Super Maramu, but I suspect the 54 will be similar.

My experience is that the source of "head odor" is almost always the head discharge lines. They will get permeated with odor. And they will get crystallized urine deposits especially if the head is flushed with salt water. There are plenty of urban legend-fixes and other quickie-fixes, but I believe that the only one that really works is replacing the discharge lines.

Once the lines are replaced, you can delay the recurrence by flushing with a 10 second flush and if your water supply is salt water, flushing out the salt water using fresh water when the boat is going to be unattended for a week or more. You should also pump-out and flush out your holding tanks if you are leaving the boat unattended for several weeks or more.

I hope my experience is helpful to you in solving your issue.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "bozo_cinq" <bozocinq@...> wrote:

We have an Amel 54.
We have an odor under the sink in the aft bathroom under the sink, think it might be the holding tank. Any suggestions on how to get rid of the smell?
The manual suggests putting bleach in th holding tank, if so how much?
Comments!

Gary Wollenberg
Bozo Cinq #44


Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

For what it is worth, my 2 cents. I think if you go through my list carefully, you will have dry areas below the floor.

There are several ways to get water in the floor...check these out:

Galley Area:
1.) Water running down the outside of the companionway door
2.) Overfilling the fresh water tank and water running out of the tank-gauge-pipe
3.) Leaking fresh water supply line or drain on the dishwasher or sink
4.) Air Conditioner condensation drain is plugged
5.) Inspection hatch for fresh water tank not secured
6.) Condensation drain hose on galley fridge disconnected at union
7.) Grandkids spilling water at the dining table and not telling
8.) My all time hardest-to-find water source was the connection of the flexible hose to the wand at the kitchen sink. It leaked inside the shaft that holds the wand in place...just a slight drip-drip...never saw it leaking, but over time accumulated significant water.

Forward of the forward bulkhead:
1.) Any water leaking in this area will run to the lowest point which is under the inspection which is under the carpet outside the head...most obvious is the depth sounder which will have water around it, no matter the source...however I have never found sounder leaking
2.) Air Conditioner condensation drain plugged
3.) Bow Thruster:
Bow Thruster is deployed while sailing
Bow Thruster shaft seals are worn or not properly installed
Bow Thruster "secure pin" is not pinned while underway.

BTW, we bought several cheap, battery powered water detectors. Installed one below the sink area and one near the depth sounder.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I keep a very large Edson Diaphragm pump in the bilge in front of the sink along with its hoses, I also keep an electric 24 volt ,3200GPH pump with hoses and electrical cable with battery clips attached in an adjoining bilge. These would be my pumps to use in an emergency.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svsummerlove
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor





Thanks for the reply and the tip for using the wet vac Richard.

As I said in my original post, I already know where the water came from. I just have to be alert enough to realize it's accumulating there before it creates a mess. The air conditioner managed to dump about 40-50 gallons into every compartment under there before I realized what was happening. The water was within 3" of the floorboards at the companionway. At least it was clean fresh water, but it soaked all my spares.

My biggest concern right now is that I have a boat with no way to pump water out of the main cabin in case of a hull breach. Any hole in the middle section of the hull, or any failure of a hatch or port in the right conditions, and I'll have sea water pouring into an area that can't be pumped out. The only way to get that water to the bilge pump is to open up one of the water-tight doors and wait until the level is high enough to pour over the sill into one of the shower stalls. By that time, it will be high enough to be sloshing all over the 24VDC to 12VDC converters under the nav station, which supply power to ALL the electronics. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of... a boat with no way for incoming sea water to drain naturally into the bilge. I have no doubt AMEL has a logical reason for designing it this way. I just can't figure out what it is right now.

Does anyone else have any idea why it's been designed this way.

Thanks,
Steve
SM340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@> wrote:

Hi the most likely leak is from the companion way. There is a rubber seal on the cockpit side that is the likely problem. Or you may have over filed the water tank. On the Maramu there was a plug that could BE removed to drain the area. There has never been a post that I can recall about floating floorboards. When you do get water under there a shop/water vac does the job very well.


Regards and good luck SM209 for sale in Annapolis.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 29, 2012, at 19:57, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@> wrote:

I've had two instances where a considerable amount of water has accumulated in the storage compartments under the floor of the salon in my SM. One was due to the air conditioning unit freezing up and dumping condensation water into it. The other was a heavy rain squall with the middle hatch left open.

What I've discovered, is there is no way for any of that water to drain into the bilge so it can be pumped overboard. It will continue to rise until it literally starts to cover the salon floor, soaking everything stored under there in the process. I've looked everywhere for a plugged drain hole or closed drain valve. It's just a big tub under there. There are hoses running through this area, which carry drain water from the chain locker, forward cabin and shower to the bilge sump, but nothing to drain the salon area itself.

Am I missing something here? I can't believe AMEL would design it that way on purpose, or forget to install it on an individual boat. It would be easy enough for me to splice into the forward hose where it goes through the bulkhead into the engine room, and put a shut-off valve on it so it maintains the integrity between the water-tight doors. Before I do that though, how does everyone else deal with getting rid of water under the main salon other than bailing it out with a pail and a sponge?

Many thanks,

Steve
SM 340
Summer Love




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Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor

Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

I keep a very large Edson Diaphragm pump in the bilge in front of the sink along with its hoses, I also keep an electric 24 volt ,3200GPH pump with hoses and electrical cable with battery clips attached in an adjoining bilge. These would be my pumps to use in an emergency.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svsummerlove
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 1:29 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Water Under Salon Floor





Thanks for the reply and the tip for using the wet vac Richard.

As I said in my original post, I already know where the water came from. I just have to be alert enough to realize it's accumulating there before it creates a mess. The air conditioner managed to dump about 40-50 gallons into every compartment under there before I realized what was happening. The water was within 3" of the floorboards at the companionway. At least it was clean fresh water, but it soaked all my spares.

My biggest concern right now is that I have a boat with no way to pump water out of the main cabin in case of a hull breach. Any hole in the middle section of the hull, or any failure of a hatch or port in the right conditions, and I'll have sea water pouring into an area that can't be pumped out. The only way to get that water to the bilge pump is to open up one of the water-tight doors and wait until the level is high enough to pour over the sill into one of the shower stalls. By that time, it will be high enough to be sloshing all over the 24VDC to 12VDC converters under the nav station, which supply power to ALL the electronics. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of... a boat with no way for incoming sea water to drain naturally into the bilge. I have no doubt AMEL has a logical reason for designing it this way. I just can't figure out what it is right now.

Does anyone else have any idea why it's been designed this way.

Thanks,
Steve
SM340
Summer Love

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi the most likely leak is from the companion way. There is a rubber seal on the cockpit side that is the likely problem. Or you may have over filed the water tank. On the Maramu there was a plug that could BE removed to drain the area. There has never been a post that I can recall about floating floorboards. When you do get water under there a shop/water vac does the job very well.


Regards and good luck SM209 for sale in Annapolis.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Mar 29, 2012, at 19:57, "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@...> wrote:

I've had two instances where a considerable amount of water has accumulated in the storage compartments under the floor of the salon in my SM. One was due to the air conditioning unit freezing up and dumping condensation water into it. The other was a heavy rain squall with the middle hatch left open.

What I've discovered, is there is no way for any of that water to drain into the bilge so it can be pumped overboard. It will continue to rise until it literally starts to cover the salon floor, soaking everything stored under there in the process. I've looked everywhere for a plugged drain hole or closed drain valve. It's just a big tub under there. There are hoses running through this area, which carry drain water from the chain locker, forward cabin and shower to the bilge sump, but nothing to drain the salon area itself.

Am I missing something here? I can't believe AMEL would design it that way on purpose, or forget to install it on an individual boat. It would be easy enough for me to splice into the forward hose where it goes through the bulkhead into the engine room, and put a shut-off valve on it so it maintains the integrity between the water-tight doors. Before I do that though, how does everyone else deal with getting rid of water under the main salon other than bailing it out with a pail and a sponge?

Many thanks,

Steve
SM 340
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Pro baseball player reportedly blackmailed
A supposed former classmate of Carl Pavano demands an apology and a specific Range Rover.
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