Date   

Re: Meltem - watertight bulkheads?

Dave_Benjamin
 

If there's a set of strong backs for the door between the salon and the forepeak and a gasket on the forward side of the bulkhead, I'd say yes.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "mrostov" <mrostov@...> wrote:

Does anyone know if the older Amel Meltem has watertight bulkheads like the newer Amel boats?


Re: [Amel] New motor

amelforme
 

It's not a crappy Volvo saildrive and Amel installed a couple hundred Yanmar
100HP diesels in the SM53. I know of several Yanmar 110 HP repower
installations with no problems.



Today, essentially the same unit is handling more horsepower in the AMEL 55
so you won't have need for concern.



All the best,

Joel F. Potter





Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: <mailto:jfpottercys@...> jfpottercys@...

<http://www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys> www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Barb
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 7:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] New motor





H,
We are contemplating a new Yanmar motor - the Perkins M80T won't give up on
its overheating problem. Have talked with the Yanmar dealer on Gold Coast
who advises with sail drive we can only have 75hp Yanmar.
Have researched and were thinking of the 110hp Yanmar 4JHT3-HTE but with the
advice we should only go to 75hp we are feeling confused - any comment
really appreciated.

Regards
Barb
Sueno Azul
1991 Super Maramu
Hull NO.39


Meltem - watertight bulkheads?

mrostov
 

Does anyone know if the older Amel Meltem has watertight bulkheads like the newer Amel boats?


New motor

Barbara Nairne
 

H,
We are contemplating a new Yanmar motor - the Perkins M80T won't give up on its overheating problem. Have talked with the Yanmar dealer on Gold Coast who advises with sail drive we can only have 75hp Yanmar.
Have researched and were thinking of the 110hp Yanmar 4JHT3-HTE but with the advice we should only go to 75hp we are feeling confused - any comment really appreciated.

Regards
Barb
Sueno Azul
1991 Super Maramu
Hull NO.39


Re: wind shield replacement maramu #261 1989

Alejandro Paquin
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "rossny@..." <rossny@...> wrote:

Hello, my plastic is very crazed, it is 3/8" clear. Is this normal or was it cleaned with the wrong product? Has anyone replaced with tinted plastic? All tips and comments are appreciated. Thanks, ross
We changed ours about 5 years ago with ordinary Plexiglass. Plexiglass does age with time, and sun, developing tiny crack (crazing)sometimes only superficial which can be polished off. Crazing most often makes visibility nearly impossible, so we decided to change the pieces entirely. so a few things to consider:
- Plexiglass eventually will craze and will need replacement
- Windshields on the Maramu are the easiest to replace.
- Never wash with hard bristles or strong chemicals
- Beware of cloth covers: the combination of wind, dust and/or sand between cloth and the plastic may scratch the surface rendering it unusable over time.

Alex
SIMPATICO
Maramu #94


Re: [Amel] wind shield replacement maramu #261 1989

amelforme
 

Hi Ross, I believe your plexiglas is original and has given good service.
Over the years I have noticed that boats near oil/coal fired power plants
have more crazing on the plexi. Don't tint the replacement. It will ruin
your ability to see stuff when the sun goes down. Good sunglasses are a
better solution for daylight opperations.

You should wash plexi and similar products with lots and lots of cool water
and a soft wash mitt, never use a deck brush. Mild detergent/Boat Soap is
all you need, soften any gifts from the birds and gritty dirt with plenty of
water. Last time I did a pair on a boat for resale here in Fort Lauderdale
it was about $350 per side, drilled, countersunk and ready to install. Don't
try to drill this stuff yourself, it will crack unless you have tools made
specifically for the material. Ask me how I learned this.



All the best,

Joel





Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: <mailto:jfpottercys@...> jfpottercys@...

<http://www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys> www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of rossny@...
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 6:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] wind shield replacement maramu #261 1989





Hello, my plastic is very crazed, it is 3/8" clear. Is this normal or was it
cleaned with the wrong product? Has anyone replaced with tinted plastic? All
tips and comments are appreciated. Thanks, ross


wind shield replacement maramu #261 1989

rossny@mail.com
 

Hello, my plastic is very crazed, it is 3/8" clear. Is this normal or was it cleaned with the wrong product? Has anyone replaced with tinted plastic? All tips and comments are appreciated. Thanks, ross


Water Tank Inspection and Removal of Fridge and Freezer

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

I documented the process of getting access to the three fresh water tank inspection ports, including the removal of the freezer in BeBe SM2k, #387.

See the 3 Water Tank Inspection and Cleaning Photos here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/364756240/pic/list

To ensure the photos are large enough for you, select View: "Original"

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently N. Cyprus


Re: [Amel] Aft locker on Maramu - improving drainage

Dave_Benjamin
 

Eric,

You're always a step ahead my friend!

Someday I'm going to swap our boats when you're not looking ;-)

For the majority of the group who have never seen Eric's boat, it's one of the very nicest Maramus on the planet.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Eric Lindholm <etlindholm@...> wrote:

Dave I did exactly that it works great.

Eric Maramu 105



Re: [Amel] Aft locker on Maramu - improving drainage

Eric Lindholm
 

Dave I did exactly that it works great.

Eric Maramu 105


Aft locker on Maramu - improving drainage

Dave_Benjamin
 

I don't know about the newer Maramu's but hull #29 has an aft locker with a lip. The lip has drain holes that simply drain into the locker. The bottom of the locker doesn't really have good slope to assure drainage out the bottom.

I'm considering some means of attaching a piece of thin wall metal pipe to the drain holes and routing the water out the transom. Maybe later Maramu's already incorporate something like that?

I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has improved drainage for this locker.

We currently use the locker to house a propane tank and solenoid, rode for stern anchor, and the spool for our handling and other fishing gear. I would like to see the locker be a bit dryer since we have the solenoid for the LPG system in there.


Re: [Amel] fuel tank maramu #261 1989

David Wallace
 

Ross I think the access port is about 8 in diameter. We installed in at the fwd end of the tank. We were going to put in at least two but the tank was so clean that we only did the one. I think there are two baffles in the tank but not sure of that. Dave
On Apr 7, 2012, at 7:27 AM, "rossny@..." <rossny@...> wrote:

Dave,
Thank you, yes there was a dipstick attached to the fuel cap.
What size are the access ports that you added to the top of the tank? How did you know were the inside baffles are?
Ross

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Dave and Merry <svairops@...> wrote:

The factory fuel gage for our Maramu #104 1982 is a dip stick in the fuel fill port on the stbd deck next to the cockpit. A previous owner added a sight gage using plastic tubing tapped into the shutoff valve at the forward bottom of the tank. The tank does not have an access port from the factory. We added one in 2007. The shelf on top of the tank is easily removed to install a gage. When we looked in the tank, there was nothing but diesel in the bottom!

Dave
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mexico
On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:06 AM, rossny@... wrote:

Hi all, where is my fuel gauge?, do I have one? Also is there an inspection port in my tank for clean out? Thanks, Ross



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] fuel tank maramu #261 1989

rossny@mail.com
 

Dave,
Thank you, yes there was a dipstick attached to the fuel cap.
What size are the access ports that you added to the top of the tank? How did you know were the inside baffles are?
Ross

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Dave and Merry <svairops@...> wrote:

The factory fuel gage for our Maramu #104 1982 is a dip stick in the fuel fill port on the stbd deck next to the cockpit. A previous owner added a sight gage using plastic tubing tapped into the shutoff valve at the forward bottom of the tank. The tank does not have an access port from the factory. We added one in 2007. The shelf on top of the tank is easily removed to install a gage. When we looked in the tank, there was nothing but diesel in the bottom!

Dave
s/v Air Ops
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mexico
On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:06 AM, rossny@... wrote:

Hi all, where is my fuel gauge?, do I have one? Also is there an inspection port in my tank for clean out? Thanks, Ross



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Ideal cruising rpm

Duncan Hagemeyer
 

Kent, good stuff. I am having the condition of the turbo checked to see if there is grit/soot. I can have the blades polished as she is coming out of the water for hurricane season. I will be back into the Caribbean by late fall and will hopefully have had the check list done. Then into the water and we will see if the mystery is solved. I was out of the harbor when you guys got back from NC. I trust you are still in the Caribbean? Do you plan on coming back to Jolly this fall?



Duncan

Ashling Charter Corporation, LLC

24 Rock Creek Road

Emigrant, MT 59027



Attention:



SV Dreamtime II

U.S. Coast Guard Registry # 1237116

Duncan Hagemeyer

Managing Director



Skype: duncan.hagemeyer



1-615-478-6006



Home Port; Jolly Harbor Marina

Antigua and Barbuda



Contact: Festus Isaac

1+268.462.6042







From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:20 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Ideal cruising rpm





I understand that the AutoProp is particularly sensitive to any growth and may not function properly with even minor growth on it. Whether pitting on the blades would cause a problem I don't know. If the prop is overpitched you should be seeing black smoke when you throttle up and don't get any more rpms. I never saw that with my prop when I had your problem. I was able to rev up to 4000 rpm under no load conditions.

There are a lot of posts in the archives about this issue, and a couple of the responses to my questions ~3 yrs ago were very helpful in looking at what might be causing the problem. Unfortunately, in my case all the possibilities were checked out and nothing showed up as faulty.

In my case the prior owner told me that he was able to run the engine under load at >3000 rpms, but I know that he had to replace the turbo after only a couple of years. Perhaps that was because he didn't or wasn't able to run the engine hard as recommended to keep the turbo from building up carbon deposits. The first thing I did in trying to solve the problem was look at the turbo which was so clogged with carbon that the seating for the waste gate was pitted and not repairable. So I put in the second new turbo on that engine which only had ~2500 hours on it.

Check out the post #5053 and subsequent replies. Lots of good info there on what to look for. It might be worth getting the numbers off the prop and asking AutoProp if it matches your 54.

Let us know what you find.

Kent
1999 SM 243
KRISTY

________________________________
From: Duncan <wdhagemeyer@... <mailto:wdhagemeyer%40gmail.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Ideal cruising rpm



Hi Kent,

Great report and I fear I am just at that point where I better get the prop
issue investigated first. I don't know if you met Carl at Jolly but he what
I believe to be a honest fellow. He told me that he and his man went over
the engine and gen sets and found no reason for this problem. I spent about
$2K but that was for the preliminary check before I actually bought the
boat. So if the propulsion system is fine and she rev's up in neutral then
it has to be something in the drive system or prop????

Note; there is not cavitation or sound whatsoever when running at 1900+/-
and the speed in clean water is a solid 7.5k. Why would asking for more
power change the prop performance?

Another note; The prop was pitted to a degree by the 2.5 years on the hard.
Should it be polished? Nobody at Jolly Harbor Antigua recommends painting
the prop as it is a foul harbor with no fresh water exchange. (only knock
on the place, otherwise as nice a dock and associated facilities as I have
found in the Caribbean).

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of karkauai@... <mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Ideal cruising rpm

I had a similar problem with my Volvo TMD22. For 3 years I spent several
thousand dollars with several different mechanics without success. Finally
decided that it must be the prop (original AutoProp sold with the boat).
Got the numbers off th prop and contacted AutoProp who said it was the prop
designed for the SM with 100HP Yanmar, not 78 HP Volvo. I had my spare prop
cut down and repitched to match the boat and engine. Ran great for a season
with max rpm 3200 under load. The next season she started spewing oil and
coolant and had a cracked block. Related? I don't know.

Amel said they use the same Autoprop on SMs with 78 or 110 HP. AutoProp
later wouldn't give me anything in writing about the mismatch of that prop
and the SM with 78hp.

Several others have had same problem, Gary's "self correction" is the only
one I have heard of who's problem went away and we still don't know what his
problem was.

I had everything from fuel tank cleaning to new turbo to injector and fuel
pump testing to new timing belt, numerous sea trials, prop cleanings and
Lord knows what else done before changing the prop.

Has anyone else with a 54 had the rpm problem?
Kent
1999 SM 243
KRISTY
Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone powered by Alltel

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Battery

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Stefano,

Be careful because you may have issues with you battery charges not charging to AGM specs. This includes you 24 volt alternator on the main engine. With most AGM's you will need "smart battery chargers" and will have to convert the 24 volt engine alternator to a smart charger.

AGM's will likely work with what you have, but you will not get the life from AGM's needed to off-set the additional costs unless you do something about charging.

Varta makes the exact battery that Delphi made as "The Freedom" battery and I am told that Varta manufactures this in the old Delphi factory in France. Varta can be found all over Europe. We used the Varta Hobby 105amp battery. The pole connections and all of the dimensions are exactly the same as the Delphi.

My understanding is that Delphi liquidated and another company bought the "Delphi" brand name. Varta bought the Delphi factory.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently in Cyprus

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "cptbiffi" <cptbiffi@...> wrote:

Hy and Buona Pasqua, hull 195 SM 1997. I've to change the batteries, thinking of AGM. Any advice about brand and type? I'm in Italy in Olbia Sardinia island. Thanks
Stefano N'EVEREST


Re: [Amel] Battery

John and Anne on Bali Hai
 

Hello Stefano, My SM319, 2001 came with Delphi Freedom batteries which were gel type AGM and gave excellent service for eight years. Similar batteries are very expensive in Malta and I tried to import some equivalents from the UK which would have been much cheaper even with shipping costs but could not be shipped as they are rated as hazardous. So I settled for lead acid ones and now worry about whether the acid levels are OK so I have to check 8 X 6 cells to be sure that the levels are ok from time to time. I recommend getting sealed gel type AGM batteries for long service and peace of mind. Make sure that the chargers are set for this type by setting the dip switches for gel type. You will then have peace of mind!

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM 319


From: cptbiffi
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 9:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Battery


Hy and Buona Pasqua, hull 195 SM 1997. I've to change the batteries, thinking of AGM. Any advice about brand and type? I'm in Italy in Olbia Sardinia island. Thanks
Stefano N'EVEREST





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Battery

Stefano Biffi
 

Hy and Buona Pasqua, hull 195 SM 1997. I've to change the batteries, thinking of AGM. Any advice about brand and type? I'm in Italy in Olbia Sardinia island. Thanks
Stefano N'EVEREST


Re: Ideal cruising rpm

seagasm
 

Hey guys, Thankyou for your thoughts, our main problem was the soot from the exhaust on the side of the hull, performance seemed to be ok and I swear by the auto prop. Hopefully new injectors and turbocharger will solve that issue. Found another problem this morning, three batteries have failed only after 18mths, typically just out of warranty, best this sort of c??p is found in a marina eh, we are venturing north from Bundaberg Australia mid April, if anyone is in the area say hello
Best regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM 171
.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Dave_Benjamin" <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:

One night while I was on watch I read the manual for our Yanmar cover to cover. Obviously I can't say if any of this is applicable to Yanmar, but there were instructions for an engine "race" procedure to be performed every two hours while running at low rpm and before shutdown. It entails bring the throttle to full and retarding back to idle 5 times to blow out the carbon deposits. Prior to shutdown, the engine needs to idle for 5 minutes.

During a recent service, our turbo was totally free of deposit.

If we are running for a short distance, we run somewhere between 3000-3200 rpm. If we are going for a longer period, we reduce quite a bit but perform the above procedure every 2 hours.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Barry" <seagasm@> wrote:

Recently, I serviced our turbo on our TMD22-A only to find it was badly carboned up and the turbo boost relief valve had seized closed. We have replaced the injectors and a new Garret turbocharger. Needless to say the engine is running very smooth now however, I was wondering what rpm other owners are cruising at under power alone. In the past we have been cruising at 6 knots at 1900rpm with a clean bottom. Those of you who have a similar engine, what economical speed do you find best?

Best regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM 171


Re: [Amel] Ideal cruising rpm

karkauai
 

I understand that the AutoProp is particularly sensitive to any growth and may not function properly with even minor growth on it.  Whether pitting on the blades would cause a problem I don't know.  If the prop is overpitched you should be seeing black smoke when you throttle up and don't get any more rpms.  I never saw that with my prop when I had your problem.  I was able to rev up to 4000 rpm under no load conditions.

There are a lot of posts in the archives about this issue, and a couple of the responses to my questions ~3 yrs ago were very helpful in looking at what might be causing the problem.  Unfortunately, in my case all the possibilities were checked out and nothing showed up as faulty.

In my case the prior owner told me that he was able to run the engine under load at >3000 rpms, but I know that he had to replace the turbo after only  a couple of years.  Perhaps that was because he didn't or wasn't able to run the engine hard as recommended to keep the turbo from building up carbon deposits.  The first thing I did in trying to solve the problem was look at the turbo which was so clogged with carbon that the seating for the waste gate was pitted and not repairable.  So I put in the second new turbo on that engine which only had ~2500 hours on it.

Check out the post #5053 and subsequent replies.  Lots of good info there on what to look for.  It might be worth getting the numbers off the prop and asking AutoProp if it matches your 54.

Let us know what you find.

Kent
1999 SM 243
KRISTY


________________________________
From: Duncan <wdhagemeyer@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Ideal cruising rpm


 
Hi Kent,

Great report and I fear I am just at that point where I better get the prop
issue investigated first. I don't know if you met Carl at Jolly but he what
I believe to be a honest fellow. He told me that he and his man went over
the engine and gen sets and found no reason for this problem. I spent about
$2K but that was for the preliminary check before I actually bought the
boat. So if the propulsion system is fine and she rev's up in neutral then
it has to be something in the drive system or prop????

Note; there is not cavitation or sound whatsoever when running at 1900+/-
and the speed in clean water is a solid 7.5k. Why would asking for more
power change the prop performance?

Another note; The prop was pitted to a degree by the 2.5 years on the hard.
Should it be polished? Nobody at Jolly Harbor Antigua recommends painting
the prop as it is a foul harbor with no fresh water exchange. (only knock
on the place, otherwise as nice a dock and associated facilities as I have
found in the Caribbean).

-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of karkauai@...
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Ideal cruising rpm

I had a similar problem with my Volvo TMD22. For 3 years I spent several
thousand dollars with several different mechanics without success. Finally
decided that it must be the prop (original AutoProp sold with the boat).
Got the numbers off th prop and contacted AutoProp who said it was the prop
designed for the SM with 100HP Yanmar, not 78 HP Volvo. I had my spare prop
cut down and repitched to match the boat and engine. Ran great for a season
with max rpm 3200 under load. The next season she started spewing oil and
coolant and had a cracked block. Related? I don't know.

Amel said they use the same Autoprop on SMs with 78 or 110 HP. AutoProp
later wouldn't give me anything in writing about the mismatch of that prop
and the SM with 78hp.

Several others have had same problem, Gary's "self correction" is the only
one I have heard of who's problem went away and we still don't know what his
problem was.

I had everything from fuel tank cleaning to new turbo to injector and fuel
pump testing to new timing belt, numerous sea trials, prop cleanings and
Lord knows what else done before changing the prop.

Has anyone else with a 54 had the rpm problem?
Kent
1999 SM 243
KRISTY
Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone powered by Alltel

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: Eumenia Mini 5500 Dishwasher Parts? >>>Contact Made and Part Ordered

svsummerlove <svsummerlove@...>
 

Thanks Dave.

I agree with you, and I do make transactions using "allegedly secure" online https sites, so far without incident.

In this case, they won't accept credit cards, and for Mini 5500 parts they're the only game in town. It's cash payment in advance (including the cost of shipping) or nothing goes out. They might have been burned in the past, but they aren't taking any chances.

My concern about giving out the credit card info is that emails are not the least bit secure, and Skype is essentially just email that you can talk over. That leaves cell phone, which is a bit more secure, but requires a worldwide calling card to place the order. So far, I've had to correspond with them entirely in German, and I don't know any German. In writing, I can use google translate or Babylon.com, but if I call them directly, not much past "guten tag" will be understood by either end. If it were necessary to call directly, I'd need to ask one of the German speaking cruisers here in Grenada to make the call for me.

Steve
SM 340
Summer Love
Currently in Grenada

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Dave_Benjamin" <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:

Steve,

If you use a credit card, there is recourse available if a merchant fails to deliver the proper item. You can dispute a transaction and the laws are actually slanted in favor of the consumer. With a wire transfer, the money is gone and no recourse is available.

We have been accepting credit cards over the phone for 8 years and I've never had a customer experience a problem. We do business around the world. More recently we have started to use online card processing.

I know of a few people that made the mistake of paying with a wire transfer for sails to a loft in Asia. The sails were improperly made and the loft did nothing to resolve the problem. Had the transaction been made with a credit card, the customer would have some leverage.

If you are somewhere where you are concerned about security of communication, you can send part of the information by email and the rest by phone. If you are sending by email, it is better to send the info as a graphic or photo then just typing numbers and address into body of an email as keystroke logging can occur in internet cafes and such.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@> wrote:

Thanks Bill. Wire transfer is a little slow maybe, but it's also safer than credit card info over the phone.

Steve
SM 340
Summer Love
Currently in Grenada

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@> wrote:

Steve,

They require wire transfer...sorry.

They will send you an invoice in German with bank wiring instructions...use Google Translate

Bill
BeBe

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "svsummerlove" <svsummerlove@> wrote:

I was also able to reach them using that email address, and they have the lid parts I need too.

Bill,

How did you pay for the parts? I'm still trying to figure out if they have a secure ordering site (i.e. https), and I don't want to send credit card info in an email.