Hi Geza,

if the keel is the same as on my Kirk # 81 from 1972 I think it is a
minor problem.

My advice is to open the crack immediately to learn more about the
scope of the problem. Because it is just on one side of the keel it
might be that only the coating is cracked. In any case open the
joint, let it dry and check all around the keel very carefully. You
can test the other areas by using a small hammer and listen to the
sound.

When you have opened the joint remove more coating than just the
visible crack. When you are sure that there is solid coating you can
stop. If it is the joint between the hull and the ballast widen up
the joint so that you can later fill it with a flexible marine
sealant ( SIKA or PANTERA ). Then the problem should be fixed.

I am right now in the process of a major overhaul of a Kirk where the
coating on the ballast is also cracked but this is due to a lack in
maintenance and not to movements of the keel.

Good luck and greetings from Hamburg.

Regards

Joachim

P.S. Didn't you remove the ceiling cover some time ago. Any hints to
make it a smaller mess ?
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Szabó Géza <rotorman@r...>
wrote:

Dear Euros and other Amel owners,

today I removed my boat from the water and I was
shocked. There is corrosion on the keel. Only on
the left side, approx 30 cm long crack can be
seen. I figured out that the crack is just
where the ballast joins the keel.
Water is still slowly coming out from
the crack. The whole are, where the ballast
hase small corrosion traces.
The other side looks perfect.

I uploaded a picture to my website:

www.rotorman.hu/corr.jpg
(size: 62 kbyte)

Any suggestions, how to repair this?

Help!

Geza Szabo

Dear Euros and othe Amel owners,

today I removed my Euros 41 from the water and
I was shocked. Several corrosion signs can be
seen on the bottom on the keel. The corrosion
is on the same area where the ballast is.
There is also a small crack on top of the
ballast.
So far I thought my ballast is encapsulated.
Do you know - is it encapsulated or external?

Any suggestions, how to repair this?

I uploaded a picture to my website:

www.rotorman.hu/corr.jpg
(size 62 kbyte)

Help!

Geza Szabo

(I send this message the 2nd time, because the 1st
message did not appear on groups.yahoo.com). Sorry
If you received twice.

One more question,

is the keel of an Amel Euros is encapsulated or
external?

Dear Euros and other Amel owners,

today I removed my boat from the water and I was
shocked. There is corrosion on the keel. Only on
the left side, approx 30 cm long crack can be
seen. I figured out that the crack is just
where the ballast joins the keel.
Water is still slowly coming out from
the crack. The whole are, where the ballast
hase small corrosion traces.
The other side looks perfect.

I uploaded a picture to my website:

www.rotorman.hu/corr.jpg
(size: 62 kbyte)

Any suggestions, how to repair this?

Help!

Geza Szabo

Hello Giovanni,
I will take some pics and post them on this site during the next
couple of weeks as we do not go to the marina every day.
Incidentally we are in Malta but hope to be in your part of the
world when we go to Croatia next June/July

Regards, John Bali Hai SM 319

If you would like to look aty the web page on "Ebbrezza" please look at the following
address.

http://homepage.mac.com/rob.molly/Fango.html

"http://homepage.mac.com/rob.molly/Fango.html";

Looking forward to hearing from some of you.


Regards,


Rob Kyle.

Ciao a tutti = Hi all,
I have now a new SM 2000 " EUTIKIA" in Venezia .
I find all these informations from Amel Yacht Owners very important to improve me and the boat, even if the boat n.428 is quite perfect thanks to the yard and Amel's people.
May I have some foto about the solution for the downhaul on the main boom ?
I think I have not well understood the thrick.
Thanks a lot,
Gianni e Marina
EUTIKIA
gtesta23@tin.it

Dear all,

my partner has just pointed out to me that while it is a small Amel in recent terms it is in
fact a large 10m yacht, which it of course is. As my other partner says it is perhaps one of
the most comfortable 10m yachts for a long passage.

Rob

In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "amelfango" <rob.molly@m...> wrote:

We are selling our Fango as we now have a Santorin. If anyone is interested please let

me

or my partner know. I am available on 00 353 1 272 2440 and Dennis on
00 353 86 221 0606 Martin Bandy is looking after the sale 00 44 1489 781061. She is

a

fine small 10m Amel from 1989. I will shortly have a web site with more description
available.


Regards,


Rob Kyle.

We are selling our Fango as we now have a Santorin. If anyone is interested please let me
or my partner know. I am available on 00 353 1 272 2440 and Dennis on
00 353 86 221 0606 Martin Bandy is looking after the sale 00 44 1489 781061. She is a
fine small 10m Amel from 1989. I will shortly have a web site with more description
available.


Regards,


Rob Kyle.

I agree that cockpit control is very desirable and arranged it in a
different way. My method can be seen in "Photos" under SM319 Bali
Hai. The original traveller is used with the addition of some parts
sold by Lewmar for, if I remember correctly a size 1 track. The
control lines run forward to the cockpit with simple plastic jammers
fixed forward and inboard of the handrails.

I was more concerned about leaving the cockpit to adjust the
downhaul on the main boom. This was easily solved by getting two
blocks with quick release clips, one for each side of the boat. A
line is run from the becket on each block through the block on the
boom, back through the new block on the toerail and back to the aft
winch in the cockpit. The line needs to be two metres longer than
the original one. With this arrangement it is much easier to shape
the main with less traveller adjustment and it also makes it
possible to gybe the main under complete control at every stage.
Actually I only used one new block as I reversed the original block
so that the jammer was out of the way and then only used one of the
sheaves.
This alteration works like a dream for us.

Try it! Anne and John, Bali Hai SM319

In defence of Eberspacher ( Espar), I fitted one to a 35 footer in 1983 and know that it was still working 10 years later. One fitted to my new Sharki worked till I sold it 5 years later. The one on my second hand Maramu ( which had spent its first 5 years in Majorca where the humidity in winter months has to be experienced to be believed) worked happily when I bought the boat and for the next 7 years of my ownership. My present one , coming up to 4 years old and used daily now we are in S Chile, has proved itself, though it is much noisier than those on the Sharki and Maramu.
It is important to use the heater from time to time,not something you think of in the Tropics!Also useful to carry a spare gloplug since these can be affected by carbon.Espar does seem to have good international coverage and I believe are extensively used in buses.
Its good that its working since the heating elements of my saloon and aft cabin 220v heaters have both just packed up within 5 weeks of each other. An enquiry to M Selo brought the information that when using these as heaters you should always use medium or fast fan. Using low fan means that insufficient air passes over the heating element and it burns out.I am waiting to find out if I can replace the heating elements locally or whether I have to order them from Italy.
A domestic 220v fan heater is also a boon. We have a 3 kw one on board, and if you close off the forward cabin and drop the curtain to the aft corridor you are soon back in shorts and T shirt in the saloon.Ian and Judy Jenkins, Pen Azen, SM 302, Chile

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Photos have now been posted on this site of Rudy's cockpit control
of the mizzen traveler on their Super Maramu #407 SAMANTHA.

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: r.zurkirchen [mailto:r.zurkirchen@vtx.ch]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. März 2004 11:42
An: 'amelyachtowners-owner@yahoogroups.com'
Betreff: Besan- Traveller

Hi all,

As I am extremely concerned about security on my Amel, I never liked,
when by night or in bad weather, some one or my self had to leave the
cockpit, in order to change manually the position of the besantraveler.
So have I now modified my AMEL SM 2000 #407. The modification is
extremely easy, and so I believe worthwhile.
If anyone is interested, I can send e few pictures ( ZIP 800 KB ) to
show how it looks like.
The boat is now again in the water, after the bad accident with an
unmarked underwater foundation. The repairs been done in Lago di Sibari,
in a very professional and extremely cost reasonable manner.
If interested about the pictures, mail to r.zurkirchen@vtx.ch

Rudy und Rita
SAMANTHA

Dear Eric

It will take me a few days to assemble the info. as soon as I have it I'll send it to you
via the The Owners' Group.

Regards Rob

I FREQUENTLY RUN BOTH THE 30 AMP AS WELL AS THE 50 AMP CHARGERS WHILE
CHARGING MY BATTERIES FROM THE GENSET. AT THE DOCK ON SHOREPOWER I
ONLY RUN THE 30 AMP CHARGER.
COMMENTS ON THIS?
JOHN FOLINO

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlt <kimberlt@o...>
wrote:

Hi,

Had an Ebenspacher in a previous boat and if was all rust inside
after a few years. Guess they are not really designed for the marine
use more for use in trucks etc.
Heard good comments about the Wallas heaters from Finland, they seem
to be build for marine use (www.wallas.fi)
They have a 4KW diesel heater.
I would like to hear if anybody has experience with these ?

Koen

Dear Rob,

I would like to see your installation. Maybe you can post it to

the Amel

owners site so everyone can look at it.

Fair winds,

Eric





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From: KIMBERLITE [mailto:kimberlt@o...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:53 PM
To: %HOME_AMEL
Subject: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: espar/Mikuni heaters







-----Original Message-----
From: amelfango [mailto:rob.molly@m...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: espar/Mikuni heaters



Dear Eric,

Maybe, I didn't make it clear that we have a forced air heater

system,

fitted from new.
In the absence of Super Maramu pics, I can let you have Santorin

ones. The

original
system was an Espar system. I can also give you a full

description of where

all the
components are sited on our boat. Just ask if you think this

would be

helpful.


Rob
Amel Santorin
"Khamsin B"



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Hi,

I am a bit shocked about the Crusader debacle.
As owner of SM #17, I must say that I didn't encounter major
problems.
SM #17 sailed 1 1/2 times around the world

Before deciding to buy a new SM I did a survey of cruising boats in
the 50 foot range, and although I hate a few of the Amel features
(fake teak etc) none of the boats I visited could convince me.
(regardless of price)

Ofcourse nothing is perfect and I had a lot of small problems, wich
are all corrected and also corrected by Amel in their later boats
That's the good thing about Amel. Other yards change their designs
every few years and re-invent new problems again and again.

Guess Ian Shepard must have been very unlucky, having 2 major
failures.
Blaming the failures to single-handed sailing is in my opinion not
relevant.

I don't want to get mixed up with the Crusader debacle, of wich we
all know very little details, but lets hope that Amel solve this
dispute ASAP, and that they choose for a "commercial" solution
rather then go to court. This would prevent big damage to the Amel
reputation and to the re-sale value of our boats.

But I must support Ian in his proposal of a kind of service
bulletins.

When telling Amel about some of my problems their reaction has always
been "We never had this problem before.."
Talking to other owners I discovered that they all had similar
problems and that they also got the same answer from Amel.

The point is that if I had known about these problems, I could easely
corrected them in harbor. Discovering problems in mid ocean or in
Bangladesh is something else...

I proposed Amel to start a kind of service bulletins some years ago
(like in aviation), some just for information and some mandatory
(like AD's in aviation).
Their response was that al owners would force them for free repairs
and that the competition would use it killing Amels reputation.
Guess they started a kind of bulletin after the sinking of Ian's
boat, but only for very serious cases.

But times are changing.
Product liability is getting serious also in Europe now.
All who have been in manufacturing know that covering up known
defects can have very severe results for the company and the
directors.
Sooner or later a "small" known problem could trigger big problems
with personal injury or death.
A big lawsuit could follow and this could be the end of the AMEL
yard.
This would not be good news for us.

By publishing "service bulletins" and "mandatory service bulletins"
to all owners, Amel would tranfer their responsibility to the owner.
By warning us, it would be our responsibility to comply.

If Amel would offer suggestions or even repair kits to solve the
problems then the reputation of Amel would improve..not killed.

I hate to discover problems the expensive or even dangerous way,
when several other owners had the same problems.
And we are not only talking about major failures but also about the
numerous small problems that are unavoidable in such a complex
product.

If we all push hard enough to convince Amel, it will be good for all
of us, including the warf.
It would be a pitty that Amel would have to learn the hard way, that
product liability is becoming an issue, also in Europe and it would
be nice to be warned and to be able to correct faults before they
become problems.

Your vieuws pls,

Koen

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Willem J. Kroes"
<w.kroes@h...> wrote:

Hallo Amel owners,

As second owner of 'Kavanga', a 1992 Santorin, I am preparing the
boat this winter for a longer trip this sommer. In that proces I
want to overhaul the electric motors for the main sail and more in
particular the gear boxes attached to these motors.
The motor attached to the mast came off without any problem, but

the

one attached to the boom gives me problems. Although I removed the
two screws it will not come off. I can feel coupling between the
Anderson line tender on top of the boom and the shaft coming out

of

the gear box.
Is there anyone who knows the tric?

Best Regards,

Willem J. Kroes

Hi,

You have to unscrew the bolt fixing the pulley on top of the boom

Koen

Claude,

We have SM#303 and are on the original batteries. We have cruised
full time since taking delivery in July 2000. We have been in
marinas a lot (maybe one day in three) and run the genset if the
batteries are down 20%. In this sense, we have pampered the
batteries.

On the other hand, our friends on Revalation (SM #390), went through
a set of batteries in 8 months. They wondered whether the charger
was misset and was systematically undercharging the batteries.

Stephan

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Claude Roessiger
<nearlynothing@y...> wrote:

I have SM#308 and we are now on the third set of
batteries. (Incidentally, we were told that one could
run both chargers together, but that now seems
countermanded.) On my old Maramu I used to get 5 years
from batteries. I don't know the answer.
Claude Roessiger

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Dear Rob,

I would like to see your installation. Maybe you can post it to the Amel
owners site so everyone can look at it.

Fair winds,

Eric





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From: KIMBERLITE [mailto:kimberlt@optonline.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:53 PM
To: %HOME_AMEL
Subject: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: espar/Mikuni heaters







-----Original Message-----
From: amelfango [mailto:rob.molly@mac.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: espar/Mikuni heaters



Dear Eric,

Maybe, I didn't make it clear that we have a forced air heater system,
fitted from new.
In the absence of Super Maramu pics, I can let you have Santorin ones. The
original
system was an Espar system. I can also give you a full description of where
all the
components are sited on our boat. Just ask if you think this would be
helpful.


Rob
Amel Santorin
"Khamsin B"



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