Ciao a tutti = Hi all,
I have now a new SM 2000 " EUTIKIA" in Venezia .
I find all these informations from Amel Yacht Owners very important to improve me and the boat, even if the boat n.428 is quite perfect thanks to the yard and Amel's people.
May I have some foto about the solution for the downhaul on the main boom ?
I think I have not well understood the thrick.
Thanks a lot,
Gianni e Marina
EUTIKIA
gtesta23@tin.it

Dear all,

my partner has just pointed out to me that while it is a small Amel in recent terms it is in
fact a large 10m yacht, which it of course is. As my other partner says it is perhaps one of
the most comfortable 10m yachts for a long passage.

Rob

In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "amelfango" <rob.molly@m...> wrote:

We are selling our Fango as we now have a Santorin. If anyone is interested please let

me

or my partner know. I am available on 00 353 1 272 2440 and Dennis on
00 353 86 221 0606 Martin Bandy is looking after the sale 00 44 1489 781061. She is

a

fine small 10m Amel from 1989. I will shortly have a web site with more description
available.


Regards,


Rob Kyle.

We are selling our Fango as we now have a Santorin. If anyone is interested please let me
or my partner know. I am available on 00 353 1 272 2440 and Dennis on
00 353 86 221 0606 Martin Bandy is looking after the sale 00 44 1489 781061. She is a
fine small 10m Amel from 1989. I will shortly have a web site with more description
available.


Regards,


Rob Kyle.

I agree that cockpit control is very desirable and arranged it in a
different way. My method can be seen in "Photos" under SM319 Bali
Hai. The original traveller is used with the addition of some parts
sold by Lewmar for, if I remember correctly a size 1 track. The
control lines run forward to the cockpit with simple plastic jammers
fixed forward and inboard of the handrails.

I was more concerned about leaving the cockpit to adjust the
downhaul on the main boom. This was easily solved by getting two
blocks with quick release clips, one for each side of the boat. A
line is run from the becket on each block through the block on the
boom, back through the new block on the toerail and back to the aft
winch in the cockpit. The line needs to be two metres longer than
the original one. With this arrangement it is much easier to shape
the main with less traveller adjustment and it also makes it
possible to gybe the main under complete control at every stage.
Actually I only used one new block as I reversed the original block
so that the jammer was out of the way and then only used one of the
sheaves.
This alteration works like a dream for us.

Try it! Anne and John, Bali Hai SM319

In defence of Eberspacher ( Espar), I fitted one to a 35 footer in 1983 and know that it was still working 10 years later. One fitted to my new Sharki worked till I sold it 5 years later. The one on my second hand Maramu ( which had spent its first 5 years in Majorca where the humidity in winter months has to be experienced to be believed) worked happily when I bought the boat and for the next 7 years of my ownership. My present one , coming up to 4 years old and used daily now we are in S Chile, has proved itself, though it is much noisier than those on the Sharki and Maramu.
It is important to use the heater from time to time,not something you think of in the Tropics!Also useful to carry a spare gloplug since these can be affected by carbon.Espar does seem to have good international coverage and I believe are extensively used in buses.
Its good that its working since the heating elements of my saloon and aft cabin 220v heaters have both just packed up within 5 weeks of each other. An enquiry to M Selo brought the information that when using these as heaters you should always use medium or fast fan. Using low fan means that insufficient air passes over the heating element and it burns out.I am waiting to find out if I can replace the heating elements locally or whether I have to order them from Italy.
A domestic 220v fan heater is also a boon. We have a 3 kw one on board, and if you close off the forward cabin and drop the curtain to the aft corridor you are soon back in shorts and T shirt in the saloon.Ian and Judy Jenkins, Pen Azen, SM 302, Chile

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Photos have now been posted on this site of Rudy's cockpit control
of the mizzen traveler on their Super Maramu #407 SAMANTHA.

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: r.zurkirchen [mailto:r.zurkirchen@vtx.ch]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. März 2004 11:42
An: 'amelyachtowners-owner@yahoogroups.com'
Betreff: Besan- Traveller

Hi all,

As I am extremely concerned about security on my Amel, I never liked,
when by night or in bad weather, some one or my self had to leave the
cockpit, in order to change manually the position of the besantraveler.
So have I now modified my AMEL SM 2000 #407. The modification is
extremely easy, and so I believe worthwhile.
If anyone is interested, I can send e few pictures ( ZIP 800 KB ) to
show how it looks like.
The boat is now again in the water, after the bad accident with an
unmarked underwater foundation. The repairs been done in Lago di Sibari,
in a very professional and extremely cost reasonable manner.
If interested about the pictures, mail to r.zurkirchen@vtx.ch

Rudy und Rita
SAMANTHA

Dear Eric

It will take me a few days to assemble the info. as soon as I have it I'll send it to you
via the The Owners' Group.

Regards Rob

I FREQUENTLY RUN BOTH THE 30 AMP AS WELL AS THE 50 AMP CHARGERS WHILE
CHARGING MY BATTERIES FROM THE GENSET. AT THE DOCK ON SHOREPOWER I
ONLY RUN THE 30 AMP CHARGER.
COMMENTS ON THIS?
JOHN FOLINO

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlt <kimberlt@o...>
wrote:

Hi,

Had an Ebenspacher in a previous boat and if was all rust inside
after a few years. Guess they are not really designed for the marine
use more for use in trucks etc.
Heard good comments about the Wallas heaters from Finland, they seem
to be build for marine use (www.wallas.fi)
They have a 4KW diesel heater.
I would like to hear if anybody has experience with these ?

Koen

Dear Rob,

I would like to see your installation. Maybe you can post it to

the Amel

owners site so everyone can look at it.

Fair winds,

Eric





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From: KIMBERLITE [mailto:kimberlt@o...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:53 PM
To: %HOME_AMEL
Subject: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: espar/Mikuni heaters







-----Original Message-----
From: amelfango [mailto:rob.molly@m...]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: espar/Mikuni heaters



Dear Eric,

Maybe, I didn't make it clear that we have a forced air heater

system,

fitted from new.
In the absence of Super Maramu pics, I can let you have Santorin

ones. The

original
system was an Espar system. I can also give you a full

description of where

all the
components are sited on our boat. Just ask if you think this

would be

helpful.


Rob
Amel Santorin
"Khamsin B"



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Hi,

I am a bit shocked about the Crusader debacle.
As owner of SM #17, I must say that I didn't encounter major
problems.
SM #17 sailed 1 1/2 times around the world

Before deciding to buy a new SM I did a survey of cruising boats in
the 50 foot range, and although I hate a few of the Amel features
(fake teak etc) none of the boats I visited could convince me.
(regardless of price)

Ofcourse nothing is perfect and I had a lot of small problems, wich
are all corrected and also corrected by Amel in their later boats
That's the good thing about Amel. Other yards change their designs
every few years and re-invent new problems again and again.

Guess Ian Shepard must have been very unlucky, having 2 major
failures.
Blaming the failures to single-handed sailing is in my opinion not
relevant.

I don't want to get mixed up with the Crusader debacle, of wich we
all know very little details, but lets hope that Amel solve this
dispute ASAP, and that they choose for a "commercial" solution
rather then go to court. This would prevent big damage to the Amel
reputation and to the re-sale value of our boats.

But I must support Ian in his proposal of a kind of service
bulletins.

When telling Amel about some of my problems their reaction has always
been "We never had this problem before.."
Talking to other owners I discovered that they all had similar
problems and that they also got the same answer from Amel.

The point is that if I had known about these problems, I could easely
corrected them in harbor. Discovering problems in mid ocean or in
Bangladesh is something else...

I proposed Amel to start a kind of service bulletins some years ago
(like in aviation), some just for information and some mandatory
(like AD's in aviation).
Their response was that al owners would force them for free repairs
and that the competition would use it killing Amels reputation.
Guess they started a kind of bulletin after the sinking of Ian's
boat, but only for very serious cases.

But times are changing.
Product liability is getting serious also in Europe now.
All who have been in manufacturing know that covering up known
defects can have very severe results for the company and the
directors.
Sooner or later a "small" known problem could trigger big problems
with personal injury or death.
A big lawsuit could follow and this could be the end of the AMEL
yard.
This would not be good news for us.

By publishing "service bulletins" and "mandatory service bulletins"
to all owners, Amel would tranfer their responsibility to the owner.
By warning us, it would be our responsibility to comply.

If Amel would offer suggestions or even repair kits to solve the
problems then the reputation of Amel would improve..not killed.

I hate to discover problems the expensive or even dangerous way,
when several other owners had the same problems.
And we are not only talking about major failures but also about the
numerous small problems that are unavoidable in such a complex
product.

If we all push hard enough to convince Amel, it will be good for all
of us, including the warf.
It would be a pitty that Amel would have to learn the hard way, that
product liability is becoming an issue, also in Europe and it would
be nice to be warned and to be able to correct faults before they
become problems.

Your vieuws pls,

Koen

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Willem J. Kroes"
<w.kroes@h...> wrote:

Hallo Amel owners,

As second owner of 'Kavanga', a 1992 Santorin, I am preparing the
boat this winter for a longer trip this sommer. In that proces I
want to overhaul the electric motors for the main sail and more in
particular the gear boxes attached to these motors.
The motor attached to the mast came off without any problem, but

the

one attached to the boom gives me problems. Although I removed the
two screws it will not come off. I can feel coupling between the
Anderson line tender on top of the boom and the shaft coming out

of

the gear box.
Is there anyone who knows the tric?

Best Regards,

Willem J. Kroes

Hi,

You have to unscrew the bolt fixing the pulley on top of the boom

Koen

Claude,

We have SM#303 and are on the original batteries. We have cruised
full time since taking delivery in July 2000. We have been in
marinas a lot (maybe one day in three) and run the genset if the
batteries are down 20%. In this sense, we have pampered the
batteries.

On the other hand, our friends on Revalation (SM #390), went through
a set of batteries in 8 months. They wondered whether the charger
was misset and was systematically undercharging the batteries.

Stephan

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Claude Roessiger
<nearlynothing@y...> wrote:

I have SM#308 and we are now on the third set of
batteries. (Incidentally, we were told that one could
run both chargers together, but that now seems
countermanded.) On my old Maramu I used to get 5 years
from batteries. I don't know the answer.
Claude Roessiger

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Dear Rob,

I would like to see your installation. Maybe you can post it to the Amel
owners site so everyone can look at it.

Fair winds,

Eric





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From: KIMBERLITE [mailto:kimberlt@optonline.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:53 PM
To: %HOME_AMEL
Subject: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: espar/Mikuni heaters







-----Original Message-----
From: amelfango [mailto:rob.molly@mac.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: espar/Mikuni heaters



Dear Eric,

Maybe, I didn't make it clear that we have a forced air heater system,
fitted from new.
In the absence of Super Maramu pics, I can let you have Santorin ones. The
original
system was an Espar system. I can also give you a full description of where
all the
components are sited on our boat. Just ask if you think this would be
helpful.


Rob
Amel Santorin
"Khamsin B"



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Dear Eric,

Maybe, I didn't make it clear that we have a forced air heater system, fitted from new.
In the absence of Super Maramu pics, I can let you have Santorin ones. The original
system was an Espar system. I can also give you a full description of where all the
components are sited on our boat. Just ask if you think this would be helpful.


Rob
Amel Santorin
"Khamsin B"

Dear Rob,

Thanks for the info.

We are interested in cruising with a heater and not running the engine or
sitting at a dock.

I guess Amel has –as always- made improvements to their boats as the owners
that I know that have the option are very happy with their heater.

I am still looking for some super maramu photos as I would like to add the
heater to my existing forced fresh air system.

Thanks

Eric





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From: amelfango [mailto:rob.molly@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: espar/Mikuni heaters



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlt@o...> wro=
te:

does anyone have an espar heater installed on their Super Maramu?
i am looking for pictures of the installation.
thanks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite

Dear Eric et al,

I am surprised that nobody has replied to your request. We own a Santorin =
"Khamsin
B" and it was fitted with an Espar unit. My partner Dennis has had 3 prev=
ious boats
with Espar units and they all proved problematic. being from a racing rath=
er than a
cruising background heating was in the past not such a priority for me.

Taking account of Dennis' experience we looked at alternatives. We decided=
that the
following was the way to go.

1. For in port where 230v shorepower is available - Marina berth - to use=
simple fan
heaters. The Forward cabin has this system from new. Incidentally, does a=
ny other
Santorin owner know where is the heater supposed to go? I have not figured=
out what
the original Amel concept is.

2. For Motor Sailing I am fitting a matrix heater under the companionway-=
à la car/
truck. Using the heat from the engine which would apart from the heat to t=
he
calorifier would be used to heat the sea. In broad terms from a diesel eng=
ine of 40kW
cruising at c.50% power ie 15/20kW; you have 30% of the energy to each of (=
i) the
power from the engine (ii) exhaust heat (iii) the cooling water and 10% in =
various
other losses noise, incomplete combustion etc. So why not use the c. 15kw =
to the
cooling to heat the boat. With normal engineering losses etc. or if you pr=
efer
buggeration factors there should be about 5/6kW available with this in mind=
I
selected a nominal 5.5kW matrix from which I expet to extract 3/4kW to the =
saloon.
Has any anyone else fitted a similar system?

3. With Dennis' experience in mind I am fitting a Mikuni unit in place of =
the
Eberspächer unit. We'll see how we make out with this unit.

Eric if it is any use to you I'll send you some photos of our installation.=
If you want
this as a poor second to a Super Maramu installation.

We also have a 1989 Amel Fango for sale if anyone is interested please let =
me know.

My e mail is "rob.molly@mac.com"

Rob
Amel Santorin
"khamsin B" formerly "Fidelus"








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--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "eric freedman" <kimberlt@o...> wro=
te:

does anyone have an espar heater installed on their Super Maramu?
i am looking for pictures of the installation.
thanks
eric
sm 376 kimberlite

Dear Eric et al,

I am surprised that nobody has replied to your request. We own a Santorin =
"Khamsin
B" and it was fitted with an Espar unit. My partner Dennis has had 3 prev=
ious boats
with Espar units and they all proved problematic. being from a racing rath=
er than a
cruising background heating was in the past not such a priority for me.

Taking account of Dennis' experience we looked at alternatives. We decided=
that the
following was the way to go.

1. For in port where 230v shorepower is available - Marina berth - to use=
simple fan
heaters. The Forward cabin has this system from new. Incidentally, does a=
ny other
Santorin owner know where is the heater supposed to go? I have not figured=
out what
the original Amel concept is.

2. For Motor Sailing I am fitting a matrix heater under the companionway-=
à la car/
truck. Using the heat from the engine which would apart from the heat to t=
he
calorifier would be used to heat the sea. In broad terms from a diesel eng=
ine of 40kW
cruising at c.50% power ie 15/20kW; you have 30% of the energy to each of (=
i) the
power from the engine (ii) exhaust heat (iii) the cooling water and 10% in =
various
other losses noise, incomplete combustion etc. So why not use the c. 15kw =
to the
cooling to heat the boat. With normal engineering losses etc. or if you pr=
efer
buggeration factors there should be about 5/6kW available with this in mind=
I
selected a nominal 5.5kW matrix from which I expet to extract 3/4kW to the =
saloon.
Has any anyone else fitted a similar system?

3. With Dennis' experience in mind I am fitting a Mikuni unit in place of =
the
Eberspächer unit. We'll see how we make out with this unit.

Eric if it is any use to you I'll send you some photos of our installation.=
If you want
this as a poor second to a Super Maramu installation.

We also have a 1989 Amel Fango for sale if anyone is interested please let =
me know.

My e mail is "rob.molly@mac.com"

Rob
Amel Santorin
"khamsin B" formerly "Fidelus"

I understand that there is special boat insurance for amel
owners. could someone give me the full email address?

Best wishes

Ron and Heather Brown-Tradewinds lll

I understand that there is special boat insurance for amel
owners. could someone give me the full email address?

Best wishes

Ron and Heather Brown-Tradewinds lll

I understand that there is special boat insurance for amel
owners. could someone give me the full email address?

Best wishes

Ron and Heather Brown-Tradewinds lll