Fellow owners,

Have any of you come up with a solution to the application of silicone
sealer on the furling motor cover as a means of preventing water from
entering the motor? Has anyone located a waterproof motor? Thank you for
your input.

Roy Duddy
"Unwineding"
175 Route 101
Bedford, NH 03110
603-472-8500
603-472-7333 Fax
rduddy.duddylawoffices@verizon.net

Our Amel Euros 41 is for sale. She is named Aella II and was built in
1975. She has been maintained since in a professional way and is
therefore in very good condition. The hull has been painted last year
and is free of osmosis. Main sail with lazy jacks and roller furling
genoa are as good as new (main 2001, genoa 2002). All 3 batteries are
new and the best quality you can think of. The Volvo engine has been
overhauled completely two years ago in Italy. The hydraulic gearbox
is being overhauled right now. The equipment is too extensive to list
here. The ship is currently located in the Ionian sea (Levkas). You
can find some photos under
<http://www.beepworld.de/members68/aella2>www.beepworld.de/members68/aella2.
Descriptions and plans (drawings) are also available via e-mail
(PDFs) or fax.
--
Mit besten Gruessen, gez. Martin Knipping


Absender:

Knipping Werbung GmbH
Einsteinstrasse 34
D - 81675 Muenchen

Geschaeftsfuehrer: Martin Knipping

Tel. 089/4 705 731
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Mobil 0172/975 38 83
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Dear Ian
very interesting what you mentioned.
Question? How will you messure 160 Amps on the bowhruster cabels? With the Volt-meter and the Amperemeter clamp. Such an instrument cost you about more the 1000$ and please calibrate it. Maybe you have a great deal with General Electric or ABB.

Best regards and good winds
Hanspeter
SM #16

Hi Dimitris,

it sounds like you have overcooked the bow thruster through prolonged use.
If you have the 10 HP motor, it will draw around 160 amps, and with no
forced cooling in a confined space, it will get very hot after a few minutes
operation. It is not designed for other than short bursts of operation.

The smoke will have come from the insulative lacquer on the motor windings.
It may be OK after a cool down period, but it's now possible that the
insulation will break down sometime sooner, rather than later. From what you
say, smoke comes from the motor as soon as you use it now, even when cold?
Is this correct? If so, you may need to get the motor rewound by a motor
repair company. I would check the current on the Link 10 when the bow
thruster is operated. If it's much more than 160 amps, you probably have
damaged the windings on the motor.

The oil should not be affected, but if I were you, I would drop the bow
thruster tube down a few inches and check to see if the shaft turns freely.
It may just be that you have a mechanical problem which is loading the motor
more than normal. Whilst you are doing this, check for wear around the 4
bolt holes and make sure that the countersunk screw that holds the brass
ring inside the tube is secure. What is the hull number of your boat? The
design has changed recently.

I would doubt that your insurance company would pay for a repair, but I
maybe wrong. If you say that you had to over use the thruster to save the
boat, they may be sympathetic! Good luck.

Ian Shepherd

SM 414 Crusader

Rob has asked that I post this as he can't get into the site directly. Can anybody shed an information on an Amel for sale in
Moolooba?


Ian, hi

This is the Rob and Glen team from Australia, again asking your assistance !!!

We can't - for whatever reason - manage to get onto the Amel network - and we're not even stupid!

Our pursuit of the Amel in Turkey is fraught! And we may withdraw from negotiations - very difficult to make things happen from such distances, given the need for repairs - upgrades etc.

However, I believe there is a Super Maramu - 1994 - in Mooloolaba northern Queensland for sale - does any other Amel owner have any clues about this boat - who she belongs to? or anything which assist us in locating her?

We'd be delighted for any help - and in anticipation thank you.

Rob and Glen

Hello, Our SM#269 is 5 years old. We live on board 9 months per year, these last 4 months at anchor. We have a bank of 8 Trojan SCS 200 batteries that are 1 year old. We have a Link 10 battery monitor exactly like the original monitor that I destroyed with a short-circuit while installing these "new" batteries. We have two 50-amp Mastervolt battery chargers, 3 yrs. old. We have always run the diesel generator twice daily, depending on the "percent used" and the negative "amp hours". We do use a great deal of DC current for a sailboat, but that is the way the boat is designed.
In the last few month, we have been accumulating negative ampere-hours. We charge with the generator twice daily, and it starts with input 100-104 amps at 26.5 volts. We stop charging when it gets to 20-25 amps and 28.4 volts. But each day the amount of amp-hours remaining increases a little, and the amount of "time remaining on the batteries" decreases a little. Eventually I just reset the monitor to 0 amp-hours, which resets the time remaining (per cent). The Link-10 manual says that to accumulate negative amp-hours, "the charge parameters are wrong" and should be reset. This includes the 460 amp-hours and a Peukert equation.
The batteries seem to hold their charge well, as we've always had to run the generator twice daily in the tropics.

1. Is my method of charging, stopping at 20-25 amp input, correct?

2. Is there anything that I can do to make the monitor more accurate?

Thank you very much.
Bill Atz
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--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jfolino901"
<jfolino901@y...> wrote:

I HAVE SM #347. THE HOUSE BATTERIES ARE QUICKLY COMING TO THERE

END!

MY BOAT IS 2-1/2 YEARS OLD. SHE IS LOCATED IN THE CARIBBEAN. I

NEVER

LET THE BATTERIES DISCHARGE BELOW 70% OF CAPACITY.
WHAT HAVE OTHERS EXPERIENCED FOR BATTERY LIFE? THE 9 BATTERIES ARE
AMEL STANDARD SEALED DELTAS AND ARE 105 AMPS EACH.
JOHN FOLINO

I wish to comment our experience with battery life as follows:

Simpatico, our 1981 Maramu #94 has no diesel generator. We do have
two small solar panels trickling charge (2.5 amps/h each) to both
house and engine battery banks. The house batteries we've had are as
follows:
- Rolls Surrette, 4x6v cells providing about 750amp/hours lasted 6
years and replaced with;
- Copy of Rolls manufactured in Venezuela by Duncan(local
manufacturer, deep cycle), since 1999. Work perfectly. Surprised of
their good quality. About the same cost.

All are flooded acid-lead batteries.

Simpatico spends lots of time at dock, only charging when using power
onboard. Once every 90-120 days we equalize the house batteries.We
never leave the charger connected when away to avoid boiling and
overcharging. Our charger is Amel's original charger. Works very
well. We cool it properly with an external fan.

When cruising in the Caribbean we also use an Airmarine-X wind
generator installed on the mizzen mast, and one hour a day, while
operating the compressor for refrigeration, the alternator
complements the charge at a rate of about 25-30 amps. Never had a
problem except if wind dies for for more than 48 hours, which
requires us to run the engine a little longer.

Of course, most of the consumption onboard comes from a 12V frigoboat
freezer, lighting, radios and CD player which is not a heck of a lot
compared with the stuff on the newer SM's.
Underway we used the wind generator and the prop shaft mounted
alternator which at good speeds (6-7 K) gives us an additional 5-10
amp charge.

Alex Paquin
Simpatico
Maramu #94, 1981
La Guaira, Venezuela

Dear All,

I wish to express my concern of what happened to me during the week-
end.


We arrived in the port of Hydra 11.30 in the night and the wind has
increased to 35 Knots in the harbor and we had to moor the boat. The
wind was comming from the side and we had to change two times the
place in a very tight port with other 50 boats arriving as a yacht
race was finishing there so you can imagine what was going on. The
bottom had a poor holding and all the anchors were dragging . It was
a nightmare. I tried to hold the boat in place with the bowthruster
and after a while fumes and a bad smell were comming out from the
bowthruster who also started not to keep the boat in position any
more. Ofcource I stopped immediatelly the operation checked if we
had a fire problem which we didn't had and we left the harbor 2.30
in the morning sailing to the harbor of Poros which is 15 miles away
in the night with a gale of 45 Knots wind. We arrived safely and I
used the bowthruster very litle just to check if it was working and
it worked ok although it was still hot. The same happened also in
Kalamaki where we arrived the next day but the noise sounded to me a
little strange and the thruster was cooled down completely.

My questions are:

Why has not the fuse cutted the elecricity power to the thruster
and I had the problem?
Is the thruster damaged from the over temperature ?
What I have to do to repair it?
I have to change the oil?
I have to check something in the electrical motor?
Is the insurance covering such a damage if any?


I am waiting some response

Best Regards

Dimitris Krassopoulos
Alma Libre

Sorry for the delay in responding to the earlier posts about
bateries, but I was not near my computer.
After 21 years of Amel ownership, all of it with Delco (Delphi)
sealed batteries, I have learned the following:
If you spend a lot of time in marinas, connected to shore power, the
batteries will last a long time (my first set on my SM lasted 5.5
years in the Med, hooked up to shore power about 40% of nights. On
my Maramu, sailed mostly in New England with a home dock, the
batteries lasted 10 years!)
If you anchor out most of the time, and depend on the genset to
charge the batteries, the batteries will not last as long. I have
heard of life spans from 8 months to 3 years, but not more. I
believe the difference has to do with the "Topping off" of the
batteries by long time on shore power.
I agree that Dephi sealed batteries are not "top of the line", but
they are not bad, and they ARE maintenance free.
Has anyone had good experience with other brands (over 3 years?)
Regards to all,
Roy Benveniste
SM #195 "Excalibur"

Hi Ron & Heather,

I am sorry to hear that Assurances Maritimes will not cover you down under.
I would assume that is because you are there permanently? The standard
policy covers you anywhere between 60N and 30S. However, when I queried how
I would ever get to New Zealand, they told me just to let them know when I
would be south of 30S and they would amend the cover, I believe at no cost.
I did test this whilst in Greenland. When hurricane Kate took a path towards
southern Greenland, I had to run north of 60N to find good shelter. I
emailed them and got an immediate OK.

I am a bit surprised at the southern latitude limit, but they explained that
they had incurred losses around the Cape Agulhas area in South Africa and so
the underwriters wished to deter free sailing in that area, but they would
allow yachts to go further south upon request, presumably based upon
experience.

I wish you all the best in getting the cover you want.

Best Wishes

Ian Shepherd

SM414 Crusader

Thanks for your response. Unfortunately Assurances Maritimes have responded
indicating that they will not cover us in Australia or in our region
generally. We'll just keep looking around.

Ron and Heather Brown-Tradewinds lll

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From: "Ian Shepherd" <g4ljf@compuserve.com>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Special insurance rates for Amel owners
Date: SunMon 28 17Mar 0220042002 023:01 AM


Dear Ron & Heather,

I was a bit late reading this as I have been traveling lately, but
Assurances Maritimes do a very good insurance deal for Super Maramu 2000
yachts. I believe that if you are US registered, then perhaps you might
have a problem. I am with them and I deal with Jean-Marc Bloch who is not
only extremely pleasant, but he also speaks very good English. They also
recognize that you don't need a large crew on an Amel, unlike some insurance
companies these days.

The best way to contact him would be by email which is:
contact@ASSURANCES-DELASSEE.COM If you want to call or fax them, the
numbers are: Phone +33 (0)5 46 45 46 45 Fax +33 (0)5 46 44 11 26.

Good luck

Ian Shepherd

SM # 414 ********



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While we were in the Med, we insured our Super Maramu (PFM) with Pantanius
When we moved her to Trinidad, the rates became excessive and restrictive -
couldn't go into US waters. So, we found Offshore Risk Management in Florida,
and now have a US-based carrier with minimal restrictions on our sailing.

Jerry Trimm

"Ian Shepherd" <g4ljf@compuserve.com> wrote:

Dear Ron & Heather,

I was a bit late reading this as I have been traveling lately, but
Assurances Maritimes do a very good insurance deal for Super Maramu 2000
yachts. I believe that if you are US registered, then perhaps you might
have a problem. I am with them and I deal with Jean-Marc Bloch who is not
only extremely pleasant, but he also speaks very good English. They also
recognize that you don't need a large crew on an Amel, unlike some

insurance

companies these days.

The best way to contact him would be by email which is:
contact@ASSURANCES-DELASSEE.COM If you want to call or fax them, the
numbers are: Phone +33 (0)5 46 45 46 45 Fax +33 (0)5 46 44 11 26.

Good luck

Ian Shepherd

SM # 414 ********

Dear Ron & Heather,

I was a bit late reading this as I have been traveling lately, but
Assurances Maritimes do a very good insurance deal for Super Maramu 2000
yachts. I believe that if you are US registered, then perhaps you might
have a problem. I am with them and I deal with Jean-Marc Bloch who is not
only extremely pleasant, but he also speaks very good English. They also
recognize that you don't need a large crew on an Amel, unlike some insurance
companies these days.

The best way to contact him would be by email which is:
contact@ASSURANCES-DELASSEE.COM If you want to call or fax them, the
numbers are: Phone +33 (0)5 46 45 46 45 Fax +33 (0)5 46 44 11 26.

Good luck

Ian Shepherd

SM # 414 ********

Hi Geza,

if the keel is the same as on my Kirk # 81 from 1972 I think it is a
minor problem.

My advice is to open the crack immediately to learn more about the
scope of the problem. Because it is just on one side of the keel it
might be that only the coating is cracked. In any case open the
joint, let it dry and check all around the keel very carefully. You
can test the other areas by using a small hammer and listen to the
sound.

When you have opened the joint remove more coating than just the
visible crack. When you are sure that there is solid coating you can
stop. If it is the joint between the hull and the ballast widen up
the joint so that you can later fill it with a flexible marine
sealant ( SIKA or PANTERA ). Then the problem should be fixed.

I am right now in the process of a major overhaul of a Kirk where the
coating on the ballast is also cracked but this is due to a lack in
maintenance and not to movements of the keel.

Good luck and greetings from Hamburg.

Regards

Joachim

P.S. Didn't you remove the ceiling cover some time ago. Any hints to
make it a smaller mess ?
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Szabó Géza <rotorman@r...>
wrote:

Dear Euros and other Amel owners,

today I removed my boat from the water and I was
shocked. There is corrosion on the keel. Only on
the left side, approx 30 cm long crack can be
seen. I figured out that the crack is just
where the ballast joins the keel.
Water is still slowly coming out from
the crack. The whole are, where the ballast
hase small corrosion traces.
The other side looks perfect.

I uploaded a picture to my website:

www.rotorman.hu/corr.jpg
(size: 62 kbyte)

Any suggestions, how to repair this?

Help!

Geza Szabo

Dear Euros and othe Amel owners,

today I removed my Euros 41 from the water and
I was shocked. Several corrosion signs can be
seen on the bottom on the keel. The corrosion
is on the same area where the ballast is.
There is also a small crack on top of the
ballast.
So far I thought my ballast is encapsulated.
Do you know - is it encapsulated or external?

Any suggestions, how to repair this?

I uploaded a picture to my website:

www.rotorman.hu/corr.jpg
(size 62 kbyte)

Help!

Geza Szabo

(I send this message the 2nd time, because the 1st
message did not appear on groups.yahoo.com). Sorry
If you received twice.

One more question,

is the keel of an Amel Euros is encapsulated or
external?

Dear Euros and other Amel owners,

today I removed my boat from the water and I was
shocked. There is corrosion on the keel. Only on
the left side, approx 30 cm long crack can be
seen. I figured out that the crack is just
where the ballast joins the keel.
Water is still slowly coming out from
the crack. The whole are, where the ballast
hase small corrosion traces.
The other side looks perfect.

I uploaded a picture to my website:

www.rotorman.hu/corr.jpg
(size: 62 kbyte)

Any suggestions, how to repair this?

Help!

Geza Szabo

Hello Giovanni,
I will take some pics and post them on this site during the next
couple of weeks as we do not go to the marina every day.
Incidentally we are in Malta but hope to be in your part of the
world when we go to Croatia next June/July

Regards, John Bali Hai SM 319

If you would like to look aty the web page on "Ebbrezza" please look at the following
address.

http://homepage.mac.com/rob.molly/Fango.html

"http://homepage.mac.com/rob.molly/Fango.html";

Looking forward to hearing from some of you.


Regards,


Rob Kyle.

Ciao a tutti = Hi all,
I have now a new SM 2000 " EUTIKIA" in Venezia .
I find all these informations from Amel Yacht Owners very important to improve me and the boat, even if the boat n.428 is quite perfect thanks to the yard and Amel's people.
May I have some foto about the solution for the downhaul on the main boom ?
I think I have not well understood the thrick.
Thanks a lot,
Gianni e Marina
EUTIKIA
gtesta23@tin.it