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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
 

Eric,

They are the live well pumps. I tried to attach the info in the event anyone
uses them.

Roy

-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlt [mailto:kimberlt@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump
Recall


Aren't these the bait ( livewell) pumps used on fishing boats ?

Thanks

Eric





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To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq."
<rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote:
>
>
> FYI,
>
> Roy
>
>

Which pump?






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Achim,

thanks for doing the test. Looks like my recollections were wrong about the
160 amps then. My apologies, and good news for Dimitris. Thank you also for
the info on the fuses. I am not sure that I would like to fit one as the
startup load might trip the fuse just when you really need the bowthruster.
As Dimitris said, it's better to save the boat than the bowthruster.

I have had the mainsail furling motor circuit breaker trip a few times on my
second boat. This never happened with the previous boat. Maybe it is a
combination of the new sails and wetness causing more drag than the Gateff
laminated sails? It only seems to happen in rain. Has anyone else had the
breaker trip when trying to furl the main?

Ian Shepherd

SM 414 Crusader

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Joachim Schröder" <Achimschro@web.de>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem


Hello,

I just read your message regarding the non availability of a fuse. " the
Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster."

There are fuses for 300 and 355 amps on the market. The price in Germany is
about 34.- € for the holding device and 8.- € for the fuse itself. This is
just from a normal yacht equipment dealer.

Hope that helps and happy easter to you too.

Achim Schroeder
Kirk # 81







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Dimitris,

yes you are right. You don't need expensive equipment to read the current
taken by the bow thruster motor. The Link 10 will show the discharge current
for free.

I may have been mistaken about the 160 amps that I thought the motor
normally draws. It's been several years since I measured it. As I have been
deprived of my boat since last October, I cannot do a test at the moment and
see what it should be, but I am sure that there are others out there who
could operated the joystick and see what current the Link 10 is showing? It
would be a good comparison for you. If they are also showing around 300
amps, then you are probably OK. This seems to fit the calculation. I hope to
be back on board Crusader mid May, and I will do a similar test and let you
know.

As I have to sail to Malta to complete VAT paid formalities, I may well be
in your area after a visit to Croatia. Time for an ouzo or two? Do you have
on board email and SSB?

Fair winds

Yasu

Ian Shepherd (Larnaca Cyprus)

----- Original Message -----
From: "dimitriskrassopoulos" <dkra@almalibre.gr>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem



Thanks to all for the support. I really know now more than before.
It is excellent that we have a forum for our boats. So in reply to
Ian I think that Kimberlitt is right the Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster.

I know that you have to use the thruster only for small bursts but
it is better to save the boat than the thruster. However I also
thought that there is a fuse to stop the thruster as it is one for
the anchor but there is not any and Amel replied to me that there is
not possible to find a fuse that can withstand all these amperes. So
be beware that you can damage the thruster and run into a fire
disaster if you use it for longer period.

Now I will think my next step. I will use the thruster cautiously
over the Easter vacations and then remove it from the boat for a
closer look by an electrician and decide if I need to buy a new
motor.

Happy Easter to all

Dimitris Krassopoulos
Alma Libre
Hull 370







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Rule "F" Series pumps

Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
 

Listmates,

Sorry about the post. Apparently, I cannot send photos/or copies of complete
pages. The website is: http://www.rule-industries.com/

Roy
Sharki #123
Unwineding
Portsmouth, NH, USA

Duddy Law Offices
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

kimberlt <kimberlt@...>
 

Aren't these the bait ( livewell) pumps used on fishing boats ?

Thanks

Eric





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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq."
<rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote:


FYI,

Roy

Which pump?






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Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

Alejandro Paquin
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq."
<rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote:


FYI,

Roy

Which pump?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

kimberlt <kimberlt@...>
 

The balance of this e-mail was not received- please send again-

Fair winds,

Eric'





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FYI,

Roy








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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Hans-Joachim Schröder <Achimschro@...>
 

Hello,

I just read your message regarding the non availability of a fuse. " the Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster."

There are fuses for 300 and 355 amps on the market. The price in Germany is about 34.- € for the holding device and 8.- € for the fuse itself. This is just from a normal yacht equipment dealer.

Hope that helps and happy easter to you too.

Achim Schroeder
Kirk # 81


ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
 

FYI,

Roy


Bowthruster Problem

dimitriskrassopoulos <dkra@...>
 

Thanks to all for the support. I really know now more than before.
It is excellent that we have a forum for our boats. So in reply to
Ian I think that Kimberlitt is right the Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster.

I know that you have to use the thruster only for small bursts but
it is better to save the boat than the thruster. However I also
thought that there is a fuse to stop the thruster as it is one for
the anchor but there is not any and Amel replied to me that there is
not possible to find a fuse that can withstand all these amperes. So
be beware that you can damage the thruster and run into a fire
disaster if you use it for longer period.

Now I will think my next step. I will use the thruster cautiously
over the Easter vacations and then remove it from the boat for a
closer look by an electrician and decide if I need to buy a new
motor.

Happy Easter to all

Dimitris Krassopoulos
Alma Libre
Hull 370


2003 Super Maramu "Gallatea" No Longer For Sale

wcreed2 <wcreed2@...>
 

Gallatea is no longer for sale as it is now in the United States.


Re: Batteries - Randy Kilmon SM2000 "Drifter"

Randy Kilmon <drifter01us@...>
 

There has been considerable discussion of batteries on
the Amel Board in recent days.
I can only add that my experience with the Delco
Voyager batteries has not been very good. Average
life, about 1 1/2 seasons. We have never discharged
the batteries below 70% of capacity.
Additionally, those considering purchasing new Delcos
might be interested to know that the warranty is good
only for batteries purchased and used in the U.S.
I discovered this the hard way: we replaced our Delcos
with new ones on the Caribbean island of Bequia (at
great expense). The warranty clearly stated that: "if
the batteries fail to hold a charge within the first
18 months, the batteries will be replaced free of
charge. If they fail to hold a charge between 18
months and three years, they will be pro-rated."
When our batteries failed in less than one year, I
contacted the Delco distributor in Antigua. I was told
that the warranty was good only in the U.S. Nowhere on
the warranty is there any language pertaining to "U.S.
use only".
Repeated e-mails to Delco did not result in any
favorable action on their part.
My opinion is that, in addition to producing a poor
product, their warranty is deceptive and misleading.
Randy Kilmon
"Drifter" (hull # 240)




attempted to
--- Alejandro Paquin <alex.paquin@usa.net> wrote:
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jfolino901"

<jfolino901@y...> wrote:
I HAVE SM #347. THE HOUSE BATTERIES ARE QUICKLY
COMING TO THERE
END!
MY BOAT IS 2-1/2 YEARS OLD. SHE IS LOCATED IN THE
CARIBBEAN. I
NEVER
LET THE BATTERIES DISCHARGE BELOW 70% OF CAPACITY.
WHAT HAVE OTHERS EXPERIENCED FOR BATTERY LIFE? THE
9 BATTERIES ARE
AMEL STANDARD SEALED DELTAS AND ARE 105 AMPS EACH.
JOHN FOLINO
I wish to comment our experience with battery life
as follows:

Simpatico, our 1981 Maramu #94 has no diesel
generator. We do have
two small solar panels trickling charge (2.5 amps/h
each) to both
house and engine battery banks. The house batteries
we've had are as
follows:
- Rolls Surrette, 4x6v cells providing about
750amp/hours lasted 6
years and replaced with;
- Copy of Rolls manufactured in Venezuela by
Duncan(local
manufacturer, deep cycle), since 1999. Work
perfectly. Surprised of
their good quality. About the same cost.

All are flooded acid-lead batteries.

Simpatico spends lots of time at dock, only charging
when using power
onboard. Once every 90-120 days we equalize the
house batteries.We
never leave the charger connected when away to avoid
boiling and
overcharging. Our charger is Amel's original
charger. Works very
well. We cool it properly with an external fan.

When cruising in the Caribbean we also use an
Airmarine-X wind
generator installed on the mizzen mast, and one hour
a day, while
operating the compressor for refrigeration, the
alternator
complements the charge at a rate of about 25-30
amps. Never had a
problem except if wind dies for for more than 48
hours, which
requires us to run the engine a little longer.

Of course, most of the consumption onboard comes
from a 12V frigoboat
freezer, lighting, radios and CD player which is not
a heck of a lot
compared with the stuff on the newer SM's.
Underway we used the wind generator and the prop
shaft mounted
alternator which at good speeds (6-7 K) gives us an
additional 5-10
amp charge.

Alex Paquin
Simpatico
Maramu #94, 1981
La Guaira, Venezuela



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

koenvelleman <no_reply@...>
 

Hi, You can measure the current with a clamp DC multimeter for
example DCM268 (up to 1000A in AC and DC)from Velleman Components
(www.velleman.be). Relax price is only a fraction of what You
mentioned...
Fair Winds,
Koen




--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Hanspeter Bättig
<hanspeter.baettig@b...> wrote:
Dear Ian
very interesting what you mentioned.
Question? How will you messure 160 Amps on the bowhruster cabels?
With the Volt-meter and the Amperemeter clamp. Such an instrument
cost you about more the 1000$ and please calibrate it. Maybe you have
a great deal with General Electric or ABB.

Best regards and good winds
Hanspeter
SM #16

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Shepherd
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem


Hi Dimitris,

it sounds like you have overcooked the bow thruster through
prolonged use.
If you have the 10 HP motor, it will draw around 160 amps, and
with no
forced cooling in a confined space, it will get very hot after a
few minutes
operation. It is not designed for other than short bursts of
operation.

The smoke will have come from the insulative lacquer on the motor
windings.
It may be OK after a cool down period, but it's now possible
that the
insulation will break down sometime sooner, rather than later.
From what you
say, smoke comes from the motor as soon as you use it now, even
when cold?
Is this correct? If so, you may need to get the motor rewound by
a motor
repair company. I would check the current on the Link 10 when the
bow
thruster is operated. If it's much more than 160 amps, you
probably have
damaged the windings on the motor.

The oil should not be affected, but if I were you, I would drop
the bow
thruster tube down a few inches and check to see if the shaft
turns freely.
It may just be that you have a mechanical problem which is
loading the motor
more than normal. Whilst you are doing this, check for wear
around the 4
bolt holes and make sure that the countersunk screw that holds
the brass
ring inside the tube is secure. What is the hull number of your
boat? The
design has changed recently.

I would doubt that your insurance company would pay for a repair,
but I
maybe wrong. If you say that you had to over use the thruster to
save the
boat, they may be sympathetic! Good luck.

Ian Shepherd

SM 414 Crusader



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster Problem

kimberlt <kimberlt@...>
 

I believe the calculation is in error.

1 horsepower running is 746 watts. 10 hp= 7460 watts divided by 24 volts
equals 310 amps while running.

The starting load could be as high as 590 amps.

If I remember from our training class it was mentioned to use the thruster
for no more than 10 seconds at a time.

I don’t believe there is a fuse on the bow thruster.

Fair winds,

Eric





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From: Hanspeter Bättig [mailto:hanspeter.baettig@bluewin.ch]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem



Dear Ian
very interesting what you mentioned.
Question? How will you messure 160 Amps on the bowhruster cabels? With the
Volt-meter and the Amperemeter clamp. Such an instrument cost you about more
the 1000$ and please calibrate it. Maybe you have a great deal with General
Electric or ABB.

Best regards and good winds
Hanspeter
SM #16

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Shepherd
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem


Hi Dimitris,

it sounds like you have overcooked the bow thruster through prolonged use.
If you have the 10 HP motor, it will draw around 160 amps, and with no
forced cooling in a confined space, it will get very hot after a few
minutes
operation. It is not designed for other than short bursts of operation.

The smoke will have come from the insulative lacquer on the motor
windings.
It may be OK after a cool down period, but it's now possible that the
insulation will break down sometime sooner, rather than later. From what
you
say, smoke comes from the motor as soon as you use it now, even when cold?
Is this correct? If so, you may need to get the motor rewound by a motor
repair company. I would check the current on the Link 10 when the bow
thruster is operated. If it's much more than 160 amps, you probably have
damaged the windings on the motor.

The oil should not be affected, but if I were you, I would drop the bow
thruster tube down a few inches and check to see if the shaft turns
freely.
It may just be that you have a mechanical problem which is loading the
motor
more than normal. Whilst you are doing this, check for wear around the 4
bolt holes and make sure that the countersunk screw that holds the brass
ring inside the tube is secure. What is the hull number of your boat? The
design has changed recently.

I would doubt that your insurance company would pay for a repair, but I
maybe wrong. If you say that you had to over use the thruster to save the
boat, they may be sympathetic! Good luck.

Ian Shepherd

SM 414 Crusader



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SHARKI#123

Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
 

Fellow owners,

Have any of you come up with a solution to the application of silicone
sealer on the furling motor cover as a means of preventing water from
entering the motor? Has anyone located a waterproof motor? Thank you for
your input.

Roy Duddy
"Unwineding"
175 Route 101
Bedford, NH 03110
603-472-8500
603-472-7333 Fax
rduddy.duddylawoffices@verizon.net


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Hanspeter Bättig <hanspeter.baettig@...>
 

Dear Ian
very interesting what you mentioned.
Question? How will you messure 160 Amps on the bowhruster cabels? With the Volt-meter and the Amperemeter clamp. Such an instrument cost you about more the 1000$ and please calibrate it. Maybe you have a great deal with General Electric or ABB.

Best regards and good winds
Hanspeter
SM #16

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Shepherd
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem


Hi Dimitris,

it sounds like you have overcooked the bow thruster through prolonged use.
If you have the 10 HP motor, it will draw around 160 amps, and with no
forced cooling in a confined space, it will get very hot after a few minutes
operation. It is not designed for other than short bursts of operation.

The smoke will have come from the insulative lacquer on the motor windings.
It may be OK after a cool down period, but it's now possible that the
insulation will break down sometime sooner, rather than later. From what you
say, smoke comes from the motor as soon as you use it now, even when cold?
Is this correct? If so, you may need to get the motor rewound by a motor
repair company. I would check the current on the Link 10 when the bow
thruster is operated. If it's much more than 160 amps, you probably have
damaged the windings on the motor.

The oil should not be affected, but if I were you, I would drop the bow
thruster tube down a few inches and check to see if the shaft turns freely.
It may just be that you have a mechanical problem which is loading the motor
more than normal. Whilst you are doing this, check for wear around the 4
bolt holes and make sure that the countersunk screw that holds the brass
ring inside the tube is secure. What is the hull number of your boat? The
design has changed recently.

I would doubt that your insurance company would pay for a repair, but I
maybe wrong. If you say that you had to over use the thruster to save the
boat, they may be sympathetic! Good luck.

Ian Shepherd

SM 414 Crusader



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Dimitris,

it sounds like you have overcooked the bow thruster through prolonged use.
If you have the 10 HP motor, it will draw around 160 amps, and with no
forced cooling in a confined space, it will get very hot after a few minutes
operation. It is not designed for other than short bursts of operation.

The smoke will have come from the insulative lacquer on the motor windings.
It may be OK after a cool down period, but it's now possible that the
insulation will break down sometime sooner, rather than later. From what you
say, smoke comes from the motor as soon as you use it now, even when cold?
Is this correct? If so, you may need to get the motor rewound by a motor
repair company. I would check the current on the Link 10 when the bow
thruster is operated. If it's much more than 160 amps, you probably have
damaged the windings on the motor.

The oil should not be affected, but if I were you, I would drop the bow
thruster tube down a few inches and check to see if the shaft turns freely.
It may just be that you have a mechanical problem which is loading the motor
more than normal. Whilst you are doing this, check for wear around the 4
bolt holes and make sure that the countersunk screw that holds the brass
ring inside the tube is secure. What is the hull number of your boat? The
design has changed recently.

I would doubt that your insurance company would pay for a repair, but I
maybe wrong. If you say that you had to over use the thruster to save the
boat, they may be sympathetic! Good luck.

Ian Shepherd

SM 414 Crusader


A Relay From Australia

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Rob has asked that I post this as he can't get into the site directly. Can anybody shed an information on an Amel for sale in
Moolooba?


Ian, hi

This is the Rob and Glen team from Australia, again asking your assistance !!!

We can't - for whatever reason - manage to get onto the Amel network - and we're not even stupid!

Our pursuit of the Amel in Turkey is fraught! And we may withdraw from negotiations - very difficult to make things happen from such distances, given the need for repairs - upgrades etc.

However, I believe there is a Super Maramu - 1994 - in Mooloolaba northern Queensland for sale - does any other Amel owner have any clues about this boat - who she belongs to? or anything which assist us in locating her?

We'd be delighted for any help - and in anticipation thank you.

Rob and Glen


Batteries: Factors that influence life

WCZ4455@...
 

Hello, Our SM#269 is 5 years old. We live on board 9 months per year, these last 4 months at anchor. We have a bank of 8 Trojan SCS 200 batteries that are 1 year old. We have a Link 10 battery monitor exactly like the original monitor that I destroyed with a short-circuit while installing these "new" batteries. We have two 50-amp Mastervolt battery chargers, 3 yrs. old. We have always run the diesel generator twice daily, depending on the "percent used" and the negative "amp hours". We do use a great deal of DC current for a sailboat, but that is the way the boat is designed.
In the last few month, we have been accumulating negative ampere-hours. We charge with the generator twice daily, and it starts with input 100-104 amps at 26.5 volts. We stop charging when it gets to 20-25 amps and 28.4 volts. But each day the amount of amp-hours remaining increases a little, and the amount of "time remaining on the batteries" decreases a little. Eventually I just reset the monitor to 0 amp-hours, which resets the time remaining (per cent). The Link-10 manual says that to accumulate negative amp-hours, "the charge parameters are wrong" and should be reset. This includes the 460 amp-hours and a Peukert equation.
The batteries seem to hold their charge well, as we've always had to run the generator twice daily in the tropics.

1. Is my method of charging, stopping at 20-25 amp input, correct?

2. Is there anything that I can do to make the monitor more accurate?

Thank you very much.
Bill Atz
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