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Re: Bowthruster 2nd part

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

I am glad to see that you have resolved your problem. However as a
general comment it is possible to get a motor rewound thus bringing
back to its original performance at a fraction of the cost of a new
motor.There are specialist companies to do this in most large towns
and harbours around the world. Although it is a bit late you might
consider getting the old motor rewound to have as a spare. Many
technicians will not tell you this but are not slow in keeping the
burnt out motor or alternater so they can get it rewound etc to
sell it on.
Having owned an Oyster ketch without a bow thruster I often called
up the marina in advance and asked them to provide a marinero in a
dinghy to act as a bow thruster and get me into the berth safely. On
the rare occasions when I had spare crew I put one member in the
dinghy to see me in. Similarly I have used my dinghy to help others
into their berths. It can be done by pushing the bow but the
professionals seem to prefer lashing their dinghy alongside and
using forward or astern to help you get in safely.

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai SM319

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "dimitriskrassopoulos" <dkra@a...>
wrote:
Dear All.

As you remember I had over-used the bowthruster and I wish to
advise
you of my experience with that.

After the incident the bowthruster continued to work. I used it
five
times without problem 3hours after the incident the next day of
the
incident and 3days after the incident with an electrician while we
were trying to evaluate the extend of the damage. I left from the
marina for the Eastern vacation without any problem using the
thruster cautiously. When we arrived in Poros 30 nm away and with
strong side wind I lowered the thruster and it didn't work at all
without any warning. I was surprised ofcource and we left
immediatelly for the next harbor Porto-Heli 25 nm away where I
was
able by coincidence to moor the boat without the thruster. I
immediattely ordered the new motor in La Rochelle and they shipped
it same day by UPS to my adress in Athens. When we arrived back it
was practically impossible to moor the boot as the cross wind was
over 18 Knots and I put with great difficulty the boot with the
bow
in its moorafter 3 attempts. The boot is completly unmanouvarble
without the thruster, the combination of the folding propeller
with
the great distance between the prop wash and the rudder make it
impossible to steer back wards but also straight forward to put
the
boot in the moor.

I was extremeely happy to install the new motor in place exactly
the
same day of our arrival in Kalamaki. It took 3hours to remove the
old motor and put the new one in place. It can be done with the
help
of another sailor. I put immediattely the boat correctly in its
moor.

I want to express my regards to the excellent after sales service
in
La Rochelle and to warn everybody that if the thruster has a
problem
it is better not to approach a harbor that you know that is tight
and cross wind is expected.

Regards

Dimitris Krassopoulos
SM Alma Libre


Bowthruster 2nd part

dimitriskrassopoulos <dkra@...>
 

Dear All.

As you remember I had over-used the bowthruster and I wish to advise
you of my experience with that.

After the incident the bowthruster continued to work. I used it five
times without problem 3hours after the incident the next day of the
incident and 3days after the incident with an electrician while we
were trying to evaluate the extend of the damage. I left from the
marina for the Eastern vacation without any problem using the
thruster cautiously. When we arrived in Poros 30 nm away and with
strong side wind I lowered the thruster and it didn't work at all
without any warning. I was surprised ofcource and we left
immediatelly for the next harbor Porto-Heli 25 nm away where I was
able by coincidence to moor the boat without the thruster. I
immediattely ordered the new motor in La Rochelle and they shipped
it same day by UPS to my adress in Athens. When we arrived back it
was practically impossible to moor the boot as the cross wind was
over 18 Knots and I put with great difficulty the boot with the bow
in its moorafter 3 attempts. The boot is completly unmanouvarble
without the thruster, the combination of the folding propeller with
the great distance between the prop wash and the rudder make it
impossible to steer back wards but also straight forward to put the
boot in the moor.

I was extremeely happy to install the new motor in place exactly the
same day of our arrival in Kalamaki. It took 3hours to remove the
old motor and put the new one in place. It can be done with the help
of another sailor. I put immediattely the boat correctly in its moor.

I want to express my regards to the excellent after sales service in
La Rochelle and to warn everybody that if the thruster has a problem
it is better not to approach a harbor that you know that is tight
and cross wind is expected.

Regards

Dimitris Krassopoulos
SM Alma Libre


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe

KIMBERLITE <kimberlt@...>
 

www.sailopo.com <http://www.sailopo.com/> provides crew for free. You
would have to join for $200- us.
They can also provide a captain.
Mention my name Eric Freedman
Sm 376 kimberlite

-----Original Message-----
From: Jochen Hofmann [mailto:jochen@jwhofmann.de]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe

Hi Christina,



would love to do the transfer for you myself but I am in the middle of a
ham
licence course and thus will probably not be available for the time you
mentioned.

However I might be able to give you a very good recommendation: A German
company specializing in Yacht deliveries. They have their own skippers
and
normally get the crew through ads in German yachting magazines. This is
usually either free of charge for the owner or very reasonably priced.



I did lots of crewing for them (including a transfer of an SM from La
Rochelle to the Baltic Sea in March ! ) before we bought our own Amel
Maramu
# 143.



What model / hull # are you looking for in FLA ?



Kind regards,



Jochen Hofmann

S/Y Blue Song







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Gesendet: Freitag, 9. April 2004 00:04
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Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe



Dear all

We are thinking about buying an Amel in Ft Lauderdale. Since we live
in Europe, we are looking for somebody who can sail her to us. Can
anybody recommend a company or private people/ a crew who can do this?

Unfortunately our jobs make it impossible for us take part in the
crossing, so we are looking for a good and trustworthy solution.

Any and all advice would be much appreciated.

Best regards to you all

christina colclough

p.s. we hope to set sail from Ft Lauderdale in May/June 2004.








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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe

Jochen Hofmann <jochen@...>
 

Hi Christina,



would love to do the transfer for you myself but I am in the middle of a ham
licence course and thus will probably not be available for the time you
mentioned.

However I might be able to give you a very good recommendation: A German
company specializing in Yacht deliveries. They have their own skippers and
normally get the crew through ads in German yachting magazines. This is
usually either free of charge for the owner or very reasonably priced.



I did lots of crewing for them (including a transfer of an SM from La
Rochelle to the Baltic Sea in March ! ) before we bought our own Amel Maramu
# 143.



What model / hull # are you looking for in FLA ?



Kind regards,



Jochen Hofmann

S/Y Blue Song







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Von: cjcolclough [mailto:cjcolclough@yahoo.co.uk]
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. April 2004 00:04
An: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe



Dear all

We are thinking about buying an Amel in Ft Lauderdale. Since we live
in Europe, we are looking for somebody who can sail her to us. Can
anybody recommend a company or private people/ a crew who can do this?

Unfortunately our jobs make it impossible for us take part in the
crossing, so we are looking for a good and trustworthy solution.

Any and all advice would be much appreciated.

Best regards to you all

christina colclough

p.s. we hope to set sail from Ft Lauderdale in May/June 2004.








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crew needed - maybe

cjcolclough <cjcolclough@...>
 

Dear all

We are thinking about buying an Amel in Ft Lauderdale. Since we live
in Europe, we are looking for somebody who can sail her to us. Can
anybody recommend a company or private people/ a crew who can do this?

Unfortunately our jobs make it impossible for us take part in the
crossing, so we are looking for a good and trustworthy solution.

Any and all advice would be much appreciated.

Best regards to you all

christina colclough

p.s. we hope to set sail from Ft Lauderdale in May/June 2004.


Chile

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Slightly off the subject, but if any Amel is thinking of heading to Chile there is a wonderful new pilot out by the owners of Suadade III, an Amel Sharki which has cruised Patagonia for the last 8 years.The pilot is called Patagonia & Tierra del Fuego and written by Mariolina Rolfo and Gioirgio Ardrizzi. ISBN 888598634 X. 719 pages. Over 400 anchorages beautifully desribed and charted, lots of excellent colour prints and background information. The authors set out to find a safe anchorage every 5 miles from the entry to Chilean waters in the South all the way to Valdivia and have largely succeded. I think this will rank amongst the best pilot books ever written. Even if you dont intend to sail to Chile it makes great reading. But, beware.....read it and you will want to come! Ian and Judy Jenkins, Pen Azen, SM 302, Puerto Montt, Chile.

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Main boom dopwnhaul/preventer

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hello again Giovanni,
We have now taken some pics to show the arrangement described in my
message No 1076.
The pics are now posted at the end of the album.Click on Photos and
then click on SM319 This will open the album which has 18 pics
showing some of the stuff described in my message No 897 and Pic Nos
19,20 & 21 show the preventer.
Note that the traveller is still in the centre as we shape the sail
by adjusting the main sheet and the preventer.
When we gybe the boat we first centre the boom and after gybing ease
the boom out using the preventer which, by then, is on the windward
side of the boat.
We then take up the tension on the leeward preventer to shape the
sail and avoid the possibility of an accidental crash gybe.
Perhaps we may meet as we will be in Croatia this summer

Regards, Anne & John Bali Hai, SM319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
 

Eric,

They are the live well pumps. I tried to attach the info in the event anyone
uses them.

Roy

-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlt [mailto:kimberlt@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump
Recall


Aren't these the bait ( livewell) pumps used on fishing boats ?

Thanks

Eric





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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq."
<rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote:
>
>
> FYI,
>
> Roy
>
>

Which pump?






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Achim,

thanks for doing the test. Looks like my recollections were wrong about the
160 amps then. My apologies, and good news for Dimitris. Thank you also for
the info on the fuses. I am not sure that I would like to fit one as the
startup load might trip the fuse just when you really need the bowthruster.
As Dimitris said, it's better to save the boat than the bowthruster.

I have had the mainsail furling motor circuit breaker trip a few times on my
second boat. This never happened with the previous boat. Maybe it is a
combination of the new sails and wetness causing more drag than the Gateff
laminated sails? It only seems to happen in rain. Has anyone else had the
breaker trip when trying to furl the main?

Ian Shepherd

SM 414 Crusader

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Joachim Schröder" <Achimschro@web.de>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem


Hello,

I just read your message regarding the non availability of a fuse. " the
Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster."

There are fuses for 300 and 355 amps on the market. The price in Germany is
about 34.- € for the holding device and 8.- € for the fuse itself. This is
just from a normal yacht equipment dealer.

Hope that helps and happy easter to you too.

Achim Schroeder
Kirk # 81







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Dimitris,

yes you are right. You don't need expensive equipment to read the current
taken by the bow thruster motor. The Link 10 will show the discharge current
for free.

I may have been mistaken about the 160 amps that I thought the motor
normally draws. It's been several years since I measured it. As I have been
deprived of my boat since last October, I cannot do a test at the moment and
see what it should be, but I am sure that there are others out there who
could operated the joystick and see what current the Link 10 is showing? It
would be a good comparison for you. If they are also showing around 300
amps, then you are probably OK. This seems to fit the calculation. I hope to
be back on board Crusader mid May, and I will do a similar test and let you
know.

As I have to sail to Malta to complete VAT paid formalities, I may well be
in your area after a visit to Croatia. Time for an ouzo or two? Do you have
on board email and SSB?

Fair winds

Yasu

Ian Shepherd (Larnaca Cyprus)

----- Original Message -----
From: "dimitriskrassopoulos" <dkra@almalibre.gr>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem



Thanks to all for the support. I really know now more than before.
It is excellent that we have a forum for our boats. So in reply to
Ian I think that Kimberlitt is right the Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster.

I know that you have to use the thruster only for small bursts but
it is better to save the boat than the thruster. However I also
thought that there is a fuse to stop the thruster as it is one for
the anchor but there is not any and Amel replied to me that there is
not possible to find a fuse that can withstand all these amperes. So
be beware that you can damage the thruster and run into a fire
disaster if you use it for longer period.

Now I will think my next step. I will use the thruster cautiously
over the Easter vacations and then remove it from the boat for a
closer look by an electrician and decide if I need to buy a new
motor.

Happy Easter to all

Dimitris Krassopoulos
Alma Libre
Hull 370







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Rule "F" Series pumps

Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
 

Listmates,

Sorry about the post. Apparently, I cannot send photos/or copies of complete
pages. The website is: http://www.rule-industries.com/

Roy
Sharki #123
Unwineding
Portsmouth, NH, USA

Duddy Law Offices
175 Route 101
Bedford, NH 03110
603-472-8500
603-472-7333 Fax
rduddy.duddylawoffices@verizon.net


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

kimberlt <kimberlt@...>
 

Aren't these the bait ( livewell) pumps used on fishing boats ?

Thanks

Eric





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From: Alejandro Paquin [mailto:alex.paquin@usa.net]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq."
<rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote:


FYI,

Roy

Which pump?






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Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

Alejandro Paquin
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq."
<rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote:


FYI,

Roy

Which pump?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

kimberlt <kimberlt@...>
 

The balance of this e-mail was not received- please send again-

Fair winds,

Eric'





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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:48 PM
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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall





FYI,

Roy








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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Hans-Joachim Schröder <Achimschro@...>
 

Hello,

I just read your message regarding the non availability of a fuse. " the Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster."

There are fuses for 300 and 355 amps on the market. The price in Germany is about 34.- € for the holding device and 8.- € for the fuse itself. This is just from a normal yacht equipment dealer.

Hope that helps and happy easter to you too.

Achim Schroeder
Kirk # 81


ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
 

FYI,

Roy


Bowthruster Problem

dimitriskrassopoulos <dkra@...>
 

Thanks to all for the support. I really know now more than before.
It is excellent that we have a forum for our boats. So in reply to
Ian I think that Kimberlitt is right the Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster.

I know that you have to use the thruster only for small bursts but
it is better to save the boat than the thruster. However I also
thought that there is a fuse to stop the thruster as it is one for
the anchor but there is not any and Amel replied to me that there is
not possible to find a fuse that can withstand all these amperes. So
be beware that you can damage the thruster and run into a fire
disaster if you use it for longer period.

Now I will think my next step. I will use the thruster cautiously
over the Easter vacations and then remove it from the boat for a
closer look by an electrician and decide if I need to buy a new
motor.

Happy Easter to all

Dimitris Krassopoulos
Alma Libre
Hull 370


2003 Super Maramu "Gallatea" No Longer For Sale

wcreed2 <wcreed2@...>
 

Gallatea is no longer for sale as it is now in the United States.


Re: Batteries - Randy Kilmon SM2000 "Drifter"

Randy Kilmon <drifter01us@...>
 

There has been considerable discussion of batteries on
the Amel Board in recent days.
I can only add that my experience with the Delco
Voyager batteries has not been very good. Average
life, about 1 1/2 seasons. We have never discharged
the batteries below 70% of capacity.
Additionally, those considering purchasing new Delcos
might be interested to know that the warranty is good
only for batteries purchased and used in the U.S.
I discovered this the hard way: we replaced our Delcos
with new ones on the Caribbean island of Bequia (at
great expense). The warranty clearly stated that: "if
the batteries fail to hold a charge within the first
18 months, the batteries will be replaced free of
charge. If they fail to hold a charge between 18
months and three years, they will be pro-rated."
When our batteries failed in less than one year, I
contacted the Delco distributor in Antigua. I was told
that the warranty was good only in the U.S. Nowhere on
the warranty is there any language pertaining to "U.S.
use only".
Repeated e-mails to Delco did not result in any
favorable action on their part.
My opinion is that, in addition to producing a poor
product, their warranty is deceptive and misleading.
Randy Kilmon
"Drifter" (hull # 240)




attempted to
--- Alejandro Paquin <alex.paquin@usa.net> wrote:
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jfolino901"

<jfolino901@y...> wrote:
I HAVE SM #347. THE HOUSE BATTERIES ARE QUICKLY
COMING TO THERE
END!
MY BOAT IS 2-1/2 YEARS OLD. SHE IS LOCATED IN THE
CARIBBEAN. I
NEVER
LET THE BATTERIES DISCHARGE BELOW 70% OF CAPACITY.
WHAT HAVE OTHERS EXPERIENCED FOR BATTERY LIFE? THE
9 BATTERIES ARE
AMEL STANDARD SEALED DELTAS AND ARE 105 AMPS EACH.
JOHN FOLINO
I wish to comment our experience with battery life
as follows:

Simpatico, our 1981 Maramu #94 has no diesel
generator. We do have
two small solar panels trickling charge (2.5 amps/h
each) to both
house and engine battery banks. The house batteries
we've had are as
follows:
- Rolls Surrette, 4x6v cells providing about
750amp/hours lasted 6
years and replaced with;
- Copy of Rolls manufactured in Venezuela by
Duncan(local
manufacturer, deep cycle), since 1999. Work
perfectly. Surprised of
their good quality. About the same cost.

All are flooded acid-lead batteries.

Simpatico spends lots of time at dock, only charging
when using power
onboard. Once every 90-120 days we equalize the
house batteries.We
never leave the charger connected when away to avoid
boiling and
overcharging. Our charger is Amel's original
charger. Works very
well. We cool it properly with an external fan.

When cruising in the Caribbean we also use an
Airmarine-X wind
generator installed on the mizzen mast, and one hour
a day, while
operating the compressor for refrigeration, the
alternator
complements the charge at a rate of about 25-30
amps. Never had a
problem except if wind dies for for more than 48
hours, which
requires us to run the engine a little longer.

Of course, most of the consumption onboard comes
from a 12V frigoboat
freezer, lighting, radios and CD player which is not
a heck of a lot
compared with the stuff on the newer SM's.
Underway we used the wind generator and the prop
shaft mounted
alternator which at good speeds (6-7 K) gives us an
additional 5-10
amp charge.

Alex Paquin
Simpatico
Maramu #94, 1981
La Guaira, Venezuela



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

koenvelleman <no_reply@...>
 

Hi, You can measure the current with a clamp DC multimeter for
example DCM268 (up to 1000A in AC and DC)from Velleman Components
(www.velleman.be). Relax price is only a fraction of what You
mentioned...
Fair Winds,
Koen




--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Hanspeter Bättig
<hanspeter.baettig@b...> wrote:
Dear Ian
very interesting what you mentioned.
Question? How will you messure 160 Amps on the bowhruster cabels?
With the Volt-meter and the Amperemeter clamp. Such an instrument
cost you about more the 1000$ and please calibrate it. Maybe you have
a great deal with General Electric or ABB.

Best regards and good winds
Hanspeter
SM #16

----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Shepherd
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem


Hi Dimitris,

it sounds like you have overcooked the bow thruster through
prolonged use.
If you have the 10 HP motor, it will draw around 160 amps, and
with no
forced cooling in a confined space, it will get very hot after a
few minutes
operation. It is not designed for other than short bursts of
operation.

The smoke will have come from the insulative lacquer on the motor
windings.
It may be OK after a cool down period, but it's now possible
that the
insulation will break down sometime sooner, rather than later.
From what you
say, smoke comes from the motor as soon as you use it now, even
when cold?
Is this correct? If so, you may need to get the motor rewound by
a motor
repair company. I would check the current on the Link 10 when the
bow
thruster is operated. If it's much more than 160 amps, you
probably have
damaged the windings on the motor.

The oil should not be affected, but if I were you, I would drop
the bow
thruster tube down a few inches and check to see if the shaft
turns freely.
It may just be that you have a mechanical problem which is
loading the motor
more than normal. Whilst you are doing this, check for wear
around the 4
bolt holes and make sure that the countersunk screw that holds
the brass
ring inside the tube is secure. What is the hull number of your
boat? The
design has changed recently.

I would doubt that your insurance company would pay for a repair,
but I
maybe wrong. If you say that you had to over use the thruster to
save the
boat, they may be sympathetic! Good luck.

Ian Shepherd

SM 414 Crusader



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