Re: Bowthruster 2nd part
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
I am glad to see that you have resolved your problem. However as a
general comment it is possible to get a motor rewound thus bringing back to its original performance at a fraction of the cost of a new motor.There are specialist companies to do this in most large towns and harbours around the world. Although it is a bit late you might consider getting the old motor rewound to have as a spare. Many technicians will not tell you this but are not slow in keeping the burnt out motor or alternater so they can get it rewound etc to sell it on. Having owned an Oyster ketch without a bow thruster I often called up the marina in advance and asked them to provide a marinero in a dinghy to act as a bow thruster and get me into the berth safely. On the rare occasions when I had spare crew I put one member in the dinghy to see me in. Similarly I have used my dinghy to help others into their berths. It can be done by pushing the bow but the professionals seem to prefer lashing their dinghy alongside and using forward or astern to help you get in safely. Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai SM319 amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "dimitriskrassopoulos" <dkra@a...> wrote: Dear All.advise you of my experience with that.five times without problem 3hours after the incident the next day ofthe incident and 3days after the incident with an electrician while wewas able by coincidence to moor the boat without the thruster. Ibow in its moorafter 3 attempts. The boot is completly unmanouvarblewith the great distance between the prop wash and the rudder make itthe boot in the moor.the same day of our arrival in Kalamaki. It took 3hours to remove thehelp of another sailor. I put immediattely the boat correctly in itsmoor. in La Rochelle and to warn everybody that if the thruster has aproblem it is better not to approach a harbor that you know that is tight
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Bowthruster 2nd part
dimitriskrassopoulos <dkra@...>
Dear All.
As you remember I had over-used the bowthruster and I wish to advise you of my experience with that. After the incident the bowthruster continued to work. I used it five times without problem 3hours after the incident the next day of the incident and 3days after the incident with an electrician while we were trying to evaluate the extend of the damage. I left from the marina for the Eastern vacation without any problem using the thruster cautiously. When we arrived in Poros 30 nm away and with strong side wind I lowered the thruster and it didn't work at all without any warning. I was surprised ofcource and we left immediatelly for the next harbor Porto-Heli 25 nm away where I was able by coincidence to moor the boat without the thruster. I immediattely ordered the new motor in La Rochelle and they shipped it same day by UPS to my adress in Athens. When we arrived back it was practically impossible to moor the boot as the cross wind was over 18 Knots and I put with great difficulty the boot with the bow in its moorafter 3 attempts. The boot is completly unmanouvarble without the thruster, the combination of the folding propeller with the great distance between the prop wash and the rudder make it impossible to steer back wards but also straight forward to put the boot in the moor. I was extremeely happy to install the new motor in place exactly the same day of our arrival in Kalamaki. It took 3hours to remove the old motor and put the new one in place. It can be done with the help of another sailor. I put immediattely the boat correctly in its moor. I want to express my regards to the excellent after sales service in La Rochelle and to warn everybody that if the thruster has a problem it is better not to approach a harbor that you know that is tight and cross wind is expected. Regards Dimitris Krassopoulos SM Alma Libre
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe
KIMBERLITE <kimberlt@...>
www.sailopo.com <http://www.sailopo.com/> provides crew for free. You
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would have to join for $200- us. They can also provide a captain. Mention my name Eric Freedman Sm 376 kimberlite
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From: Jochen Hofmann [mailto:jochen@jwhofmann.de] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:56 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe Hi Christina, would love to do the transfer for you myself but I am in the middle of a ham licence course and thus will probably not be available for the time you mentioned. However I might be able to give you a very good recommendation: A German company specializing in Yacht deliveries. They have their own skippers and normally get the crew through ads in German yachting magazines. This is usually either free of charge for the owner or very reasonably priced. I did lots of crewing for them (including a transfer of an SM from La Rochelle to the Baltic Sea in March ! ) before we bought our own Amel Maramu # 143. What model / hull # are you looking for in FLA ? Kind regards, Jochen Hofmann S/Y Blue Song _____ Von: cjcolclough [mailto:cjcolclough@yahoo.co.uk] Gesendet: Freitag, 9. April 2004 00:04 An: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe Dear all We are thinking about buying an Amel in Ft Lauderdale. Since we live in Europe, we are looking for somebody who can sail her to us. Can anybody recommend a company or private people/ a crew who can do this? Unfortunately our jobs make it impossible for us take part in the crossing, so we are looking for a good and trustworthy solution. Any and all advice would be much appreciated. Best regards to you all christina colclough p.s. we hope to set sail from Ft Lauderdale in May/June 2004. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c218ec2/M=291630.4786521.5933964.1261774/D=eg roup web/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1081570009/A=2072415/R=0/SIG=11thh7ako/*http:/ww w.ne tflix.com/Default?mqso=60178432&partid=4786521> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=291630.4786521.5933964.1261774/D=egrou pweb /S=:HM/A=2072415/rand=378162463> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe
Jochen Hofmann <jochen@...>
Hi Christina,
would love to do the transfer for you myself but I am in the middle of a ham licence course and thus will probably not be available for the time you mentioned. However I might be able to give you a very good recommendation: A German company specializing in Yacht deliveries. They have their own skippers and normally get the crew through ads in German yachting magazines. This is usually either free of charge for the owner or very reasonably priced. I did lots of crewing for them (including a transfer of an SM from La Rochelle to the Baltic Sea in March ! ) before we bought our own Amel Maramu # 143. What model / hull # are you looking for in FLA ? Kind regards, Jochen Hofmann S/Y Blue Song _____ Von: cjcolclough [mailto:cjcolclough@yahoo.co.uk] Gesendet: Freitag, 9. April 2004 00:04 An: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe Dear all We are thinking about buying an Amel in Ft Lauderdale. Since we live in Europe, we are looking for somebody who can sail her to us. Can anybody recommend a company or private people/ a crew who can do this? Unfortunately our jobs make it impossible for us take part in the crossing, so we are looking for a good and trustworthy solution. Any and all advice would be much appreciated. Best regards to you all christina colclough p.s. we hope to set sail from Ft Lauderdale in May/June 2004. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12c218ec2/M=291630.4786521.5933964.1261774/D=egroup web/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1081570009/A=2072415/R=0/SIG=11thh7ako/*http:/www.ne tflix.com/Default?mqso=60178432&partid=4786521> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=291630.4786521.5933964.1261774/D=egroupweb /S=:HM/A=2072415/rand=378162463> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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crew needed - maybe
cjcolclough <cjcolclough@...>
Dear all
We are thinking about buying an Amel in Ft Lauderdale. Since we live in Europe, we are looking for somebody who can sail her to us. Can anybody recommend a company or private people/ a crew who can do this? Unfortunately our jobs make it impossible for us take part in the crossing, so we are looking for a good and trustworthy solution. Any and all advice would be much appreciated. Best regards to you all christina colclough p.s. we hope to set sail from Ft Lauderdale in May/June 2004.
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Chile
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Slightly off the subject, but if any Amel is thinking of heading to Chile there is a wonderful new pilot out by the owners of Suadade III, an Amel Sharki which has cruised Patagonia for the last 8 years.The pilot is called Patagonia & Tierra del Fuego and written by Mariolina Rolfo and Gioirgio Ardrizzi. ISBN 888598634 X. 719 pages. Over 400 anchorages beautifully desribed and charted, lots of excellent colour prints and background information. The authors set out to find a safe anchorage every 5 miles from the entry to Chilean waters in the South all the way to Valdivia and have largely succeded. I think this will rank amongst the best pilot books ever written. Even if you dont intend to sail to Chile it makes great reading. But, beware.....read it and you will want to come! Ian and Judy Jenkins, Pen Azen, SM 302, Puerto Montt, Chile.
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Main boom dopwnhaul/preventer
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
Hello again Giovanni,
We have now taken some pics to show the arrangement described in my message No 1076. The pics are now posted at the end of the album.Click on Photos and then click on SM319 This will open the album which has 18 pics showing some of the stuff described in my message No 897 and Pic Nos 19,20 & 21 show the preventer. Note that the traveller is still in the centre as we shape the sail by adjusting the main sheet and the preventer. When we gybe the boat we first centre the boom and after gybing ease the boom out using the preventer which, by then, is on the windward side of the boat. We then take up the tension on the leeward preventer to shape the sail and avoid the possibility of an accidental crash gybe. Perhaps we may meet as we will be in Croatia this summer Regards, Anne & John Bali Hai, SM319
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall
Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
Eric,
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They are the live well pumps. I tried to attach the info in the event anyone uses them. Roy
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From: kimberlt [mailto:kimberlt@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:17 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall Aren't these the bait ( livewell) pumps used on fishing boats ? Thanks Eric _____ From: Alejandro Paquin [mailto:alex.paquin@usa.net] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq." <rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote: > > > FYI, > > Roy > > Which pump? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12ci19dr4/M=290828.4794622.5939935.1261774/D=egroup web/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1081274820/A=1950447/R=0/SIG=124ri7d3j/*http:/ashnin .com/clk/muryutaitakenattogyo?YH=4794622&yhad=1950447> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=290828.4794622.5939935.1261774/D=egroupweb /S=:HM/A=1950447/rand=403749713> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Achim,
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thanks for doing the test. Looks like my recollections were wrong about the 160 amps then. My apologies, and good news for Dimitris. Thank you also for the info on the fuses. I am not sure that I would like to fit one as the startup load might trip the fuse just when you really need the bowthruster. As Dimitris said, it's better to save the boat than the bowthruster. I have had the mainsail furling motor circuit breaker trip a few times on my second boat. This never happened with the previous boat. Maybe it is a combination of the new sails and wetness causing more drag than the Gateff laminated sails? It only seems to happen in rain. Has anyone else had the breaker trip when trying to furl the main? Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader
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From: "Hans-Joachim Schröder" <Achimschro@web.de> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem Hello, I just read your message regarding the non availability of a fuse. " the Link 10 instrument is reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the thruster." There are fuses for 300 and 355 amps on the market. The price in Germany is about 34.- € for the holding device and 8.- € for the fuse itself. This is just from a normal yacht equipment dealer. Hope that helps and happy easter to you too. Achim Schroeder Kirk # 81 Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Dimitris,
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yes you are right. You don't need expensive equipment to read the current taken by the bow thruster motor. The Link 10 will show the discharge current for free. I may have been mistaken about the 160 amps that I thought the motor normally draws. It's been several years since I measured it. As I have been deprived of my boat since last October, I cannot do a test at the moment and see what it should be, but I am sure that there are others out there who could operated the joystick and see what current the Link 10 is showing? It would be a good comparison for you. If they are also showing around 300 amps, then you are probably OK. This seems to fit the calculation. I hope to be back on board Crusader mid May, and I will do a similar test and let you know. As I have to sail to Malta to complete VAT paid formalities, I may well be in your area after a visit to Croatia. Time for an ouzo or two? Do you have on board email and SSB? Fair winds Yasu Ian Shepherd (Larnaca Cyprus)
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From: "dimitriskrassopoulos" <dkra@almalibre.gr> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem
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Rule "F" Series pumps
Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
Listmates,
Sorry about the post. Apparently, I cannot send photos/or copies of complete pages. The website is: http://www.rule-industries.com/ Roy Sharki #123 Unwineding Portsmouth, NH, USA Duddy Law Offices 175 Route 101 Bedford, NH 03110 603-472-8500 603-472-7333 Fax rduddy.duddylawoffices@verizon.net
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall
kimberlt <kimberlt@...>
Aren't these the bait ( livewell) pumps used on fishing boats ?
Thanks Eric _____ From: Alejandro Paquin [mailto:alex.paquin@usa.net] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq." <rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote: Which pump? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12ci19dr4/M=290828.4794622.5939935.1261774/D=egroup web/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1081274820/A=1950447/R=0/SIG=124ri7d3j/*http:/ashnin .com/clk/muryutaitakenattogyo?YH=4794622&yhad=1950447> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=290828.4794622.5939935.1261774/D=egroupweb /S=:HM/A=1950447/rand=403749713> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq."
<rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote: Which pump?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall
kimberlt <kimberlt@...>
The balance of this e-mail was not received- please send again-
Fair winds, Eric' _____ From: Roy A. Duddy, Esq. [mailto:rduddy.duddylawoffices@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:48 PM To: AMEL YACHT OWNERS (E-mail); Chet Dunn (E-mail); Gary Wennberg (E-mail); Scott Gordon (E-mail); Sgordon (E-mail); Steve White (E-mail) Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall FYI, Roy Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=12cfumu0s/M=290828.4794622.5939935.1261774/D=egroup web/S=1705065792:HM/EXP=1081270069/A=1950450/R=0/SIG=124u9bhid/*http:/ashnin .com/clk/muryutaitakenattogyo?YH=4794622&yhad=1950450> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=290828.4794622.5939935.1261774/D=egroupweb /S=:HM/A=1950450/rand=249580345> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem
Hans-Joachim Schröder <Achimschro@...>
Hello,
I just read your message regarding the non availability of a fuse. " the Link 10 instrument is reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the thruster." There are fuses for 300 and 355 amps on the market. The price in Germany is about 34.- € for the holding device and 8.- € for the fuse itself. This is just from a normal yacht equipment dealer. Hope that helps and happy easter to you too. Achim Schroeder Kirk # 81
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ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall
Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
FYI,
Roy
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Bowthruster Problem
dimitriskrassopoulos <dkra@...>
Thanks to all for the support. I really know now more than before.
It is excellent that we have a forum for our boats. So in reply to Ian I think that Kimberlitt is right the Link 10 instrument is reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the thruster. I know that you have to use the thruster only for small bursts but it is better to save the boat than the thruster. However I also thought that there is a fuse to stop the thruster as it is one for the anchor but there is not any and Amel replied to me that there is not possible to find a fuse that can withstand all these amperes. So be beware that you can damage the thruster and run into a fire disaster if you use it for longer period. Now I will think my next step. I will use the thruster cautiously over the Easter vacations and then remove it from the boat for a closer look by an electrician and decide if I need to buy a new motor. Happy Easter to all Dimitris Krassopoulos Alma Libre Hull 370
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2003 Super Maramu "Gallatea" No Longer For Sale
wcreed2 <wcreed2@...>
Gallatea is no longer for sale as it is now in the United States.
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Re: Batteries - Randy Kilmon SM2000 "Drifter"
Randy Kilmon <drifter01us@...>
There has been considerable discussion of batteries on
the Amel Board in recent days. I can only add that my experience with the Delco Voyager batteries has not been very good. Average life, about 1 1/2 seasons. We have never discharged the batteries below 70% of capacity. Additionally, those considering purchasing new Delcos might be interested to know that the warranty is good only for batteries purchased and used in the U.S. I discovered this the hard way: we replaced our Delcos with new ones on the Caribbean island of Bequia (at great expense). The warranty clearly stated that: "if the batteries fail to hold a charge within the first 18 months, the batteries will be replaced free of charge. If they fail to hold a charge between 18 months and three years, they will be pro-rated." When our batteries failed in less than one year, I contacted the Delco distributor in Antigua. I was told that the warranty was good only in the U.S. Nowhere on the warranty is there any language pertaining to "U.S. use only". Repeated e-mails to Delco did not result in any favorable action on their part. My opinion is that, in addition to producing a poor product, their warranty is deceptive and misleading. Randy Kilmon "Drifter" (hull # 240) attempted to --- Alejandro Paquin <alex.paquin@usa.net> wrote: --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jfolino901" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem
koenvelleman <no_reply@...>
Hi, You can measure the current with a clamp DC multimeter for
example DCM268 (up to 1000A in AC and DC)from Velleman Components (www.velleman.be). Relax price is only a fraction of what You mentioned... Fair Winds, Koen --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Hanspeter Bättig <hanspeter.baettig@b...> wrote: Dear IanWith the Volt-meter and the Amperemeter clamp. Such an instrument cost you about more the 1000$ and please calibrate it. Maybe you have a great deal with General Electric or ABB. prolonged use. If you have the 10 HP motor, it will draw around 160 amps, andwith no forced cooling in a confined space, it will get very hot after afew minutes operation. It is not designed for other than short bursts ofoperation. windings. It may be OK after a cool down period, but it's now possiblethat the insulation will break down sometime sooner, rather than later.From what you say, smoke comes from the motor as soon as you use it now, evenwhen cold? Is this correct? If so, you may need to get the motor rewound bya motor repair company. I would check the current on the Link 10 when thebow thruster is operated. If it's much more than 160 amps, youprobably have damaged the windings on the motor.the bow thruster tube down a few inches and check to see if the shaftturns freely. It may just be that you have a mechanical problem which isloading the motor more than normal. Whilst you are doing this, check for weararound the 4 bolt holes and make sure that the countersunk screw that holdsthe brass ring inside the tube is secure. What is the hull number of yourboat? The design has changed recently.but I maybe wrong. If you say that you had to over use the thruster tosave the boat, they may be sympathetic! Good luck.---------- Yahoo! Groups LinksService.
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