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Quick B45 Water Heater Anodes & Heating Element

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

April 25, 2004 21:47 MST

Dear John:
Thank you for your reply and the information. I am guessing that M.
Selo's response, that it was a 600 watt element, was just a
typographical error.

I had the same problem with the anode supplied to me by Amel when I
took delivery. The anode they supplied was too small, had the
incorrect diameter mounting screw and just plain wouldn't work. I
ordered two of the correct anodes from West Marine, who got them
through Plastimo USA, who got them from QUICK. It took 9 weeks as I
recall. The QUICK part number is MMANMG450000. Quick or Plastimo
would not drop ship the item so after a backorder of 5 weeks it had
to be shipped to each individual vendor. Maddening. The price was
about $50.00 US each.

The anodes I received are indeed about 10 inches long, about 1/2
inch in diameter and had what I believe is a M10 bolt protruding
about 1/2 inch from the end. This bolt by the way is about 4 & 1/2
inches long and goes quite a distance into the anode. When I did
open the tank the original anode was completely gone (as in eroded
completely through) at the level of the threaded screw end, (i.e.
about 4 inches up from the end that screws into the tank lid). A
large segment of the anode was still intact but of no use since it
was sitting in the tank not attached to anything. I backed out the
threaded portion with Vice Grips and inserted the new one without
difficulty. Re-installing the tank lid was a real problem. Trying
to align the eight loose bolts in their slots and engage the tank
lid at the same time was atrocious. Bad design in my view. It
might work just fine with the tank in an upright position but in the
angled position in the engine room it was almost impossible. I
plan on using "O" rings and a thin nut to hold the eight bolts in
place in the future. There is a gap between the tank rim and the
tank lid that I believe will accommodate this approach.

I am half hoping that all that is wrong with my electric element is
that I did not push the "reset button" on the thermostat. I don't
recall being made aware of this button during the owner school and
the only piece of literature I had aboard was the data sheet and it
didn't mention it. I only learned about it after I was off the boat
and by downloading the QUICK User's Manual from the following
www.quickitaly.com web site (also includes the parts list).
Nevertheless I plan on getting an element to install if the button
reset doesn't work.

If it wouldn't be too much trouble to re-submit the details of the
procedure you used for replacing the electric element I know I would
find it useful and perhaps so would others on this web site. I take
it that the thermostat is a separate piece that somehow attaches to
the electric element. It isn't clear to me if the element screws out
with the oversized nut (about 3 inches across). Your experience
would be appreciated.

I believe that the engine heat exchanger doesn't work until the
engine thermostat opens up and when in the marina trying to heat
water with the engine took some time since I couldn't put the engine
under load very well.

Lastly, did you have some other difficulties with you unit other
than the anode?

Again thanks for your thoughts.

Sincerely Gary Silver s/v Liahona Hull # 335


Hot water heater.

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hi Gary,
The element is 500 watts. To replace it you will need a new plastic
seal and an anode.I know because my cylinder is sitting in my
cockpit awaiting spares from Quick through their local agency in
Malta who are anything but quick. I suggest you get two lots of
anodes and seals!!!
This is my second attempt to reply, the first one gave detailed
instructions on how to do it but got lost as I failed to do the
reply properly on this system. If you are going to do it yourself
let me know and I will draft a new set of hints.
The most important thing to remember is that when you or a tech
finally gets the thing open, it is essential to work fast at
descaling as the scale is like butter at first and soon like
concrete.
One or other part will be descaled first and the other should be
kept wet until dealt with.
Oh,by the way, the anode is a rod about 10 inches long with a female
thread in one end and bears no resemblance to the ones that M.Selo
sent me.

Good luck, John Bali Hai, SM319


Hot Water Heater Electric Element Question

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hello All:
I have the Amel installed Quick brand B45 (45 liter) hot water
heater on our hull # 335 Amel SM 2000. I have been corresponding
unsuccesfully with Amel for 2 weeks trying to determine the size
(wattage) of the electric heating element. I am not currently on the
boat yet I need to order the proper wattage element. The data sheet
for the water heater, that was included with all the other equipment
manuals, shows it to be a 1200 watt element, but the electric load
table in the Amel owners manual shows 500 watts. M. Selo emailed me
that they are 600 watts, yet the Quick parts manual supplied to me by
Plastimo USA shows there is not a 600 watt element (only 500 watt and
1200 watt). I phoned and faxed all this to Amel but have had no
response yet. If I fit a 1200 watt element and the circuit breaker
is sized only for 500 watts then it will pop the breaker. If I fit a
500 watt element when the 1200 watt is appropriate, the water will be
slow to heat.

Is anybody on their boat currently that has this same water heater
and could verify on the element itself what wattage it is? According
to Quick the data plate on the water heater should read as
follows: "B xx yy z" , where xx equals the size in liters (45 in
this case), yy equals the wattage of the electric element (00= none,
05 = 500 watts, 12 = 1200 watts) , and z equals S indicating that a
heat exchanger is present.

Optionally could anyone at least tell me what amperage the water
heater circuit breaker is?

I believe there is a small data plate on the end of the brown
thermostat housing on the water heater that might reveal the proper
wattage.

Or could someone use a clamp style amp meter to measure the AC amps
that their water heater draws while using 220 volt AC.

Thanks for any help.

Gary Silver, s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 The boat is
currently in Providenciales (aka Provo), TCI (Turks and Caicos
Islands)


Re: Bowthruster 2nd part

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

I am glad to see that you have resolved your problem. However as a
general comment it is possible to get a motor rewound thus bringing
back to its original performance at a fraction of the cost of a new
motor.There are specialist companies to do this in most large towns
and harbours around the world. Although it is a bit late you might
consider getting the old motor rewound to have as a spare. Many
technicians will not tell you this but are not slow in keeping the
burnt out motor or alternater so they can get it rewound etc to
sell it on.
Having owned an Oyster ketch without a bow thruster I often called
up the marina in advance and asked them to provide a marinero in a
dinghy to act as a bow thruster and get me into the berth safely. On
the rare occasions when I had spare crew I put one member in the
dinghy to see me in. Similarly I have used my dinghy to help others
into their berths. It can be done by pushing the bow but the
professionals seem to prefer lashing their dinghy alongside and
using forward or astern to help you get in safely.

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai SM319

amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "dimitriskrassopoulos" <dkra@a...>
wrote:
Dear All.

As you remember I had over-used the bowthruster and I wish to
advise
you of my experience with that.

After the incident the bowthruster continued to work. I used it
five
times without problem 3hours after the incident the next day of
the
incident and 3days after the incident with an electrician while we
were trying to evaluate the extend of the damage. I left from the
marina for the Eastern vacation without any problem using the
thruster cautiously. When we arrived in Poros 30 nm away and with
strong side wind I lowered the thruster and it didn't work at all
without any warning. I was surprised ofcource and we left
immediatelly for the next harbor Porto-Heli 25 nm away where I
was
able by coincidence to moor the boat without the thruster. I
immediattely ordered the new motor in La Rochelle and they shipped
it same day by UPS to my adress in Athens. When we arrived back it
was practically impossible to moor the boot as the cross wind was
over 18 Knots and I put with great difficulty the boot with the
bow
in its moorafter 3 attempts. The boot is completly unmanouvarble
without the thruster, the combination of the folding propeller
with
the great distance between the prop wash and the rudder make it
impossible to steer back wards but also straight forward to put
the
boot in the moor.

I was extremeely happy to install the new motor in place exactly
the
same day of our arrival in Kalamaki. It took 3hours to remove the
old motor and put the new one in place. It can be done with the
help
of another sailor. I put immediattely the boat correctly in its
moor.

I want to express my regards to the excellent after sales service
in
La Rochelle and to warn everybody that if the thruster has a
problem
it is better not to approach a harbor that you know that is tight
and cross wind is expected.

Regards

Dimitris Krassopoulos
SM Alma Libre


Bowthruster 2nd part

dimitriskrassopoulos <dkra@...>
 

Dear All.

As you remember I had over-used the bowthruster and I wish to advise
you of my experience with that.

After the incident the bowthruster continued to work. I used it five
times without problem 3hours after the incident the next day of the
incident and 3days after the incident with an electrician while we
were trying to evaluate the extend of the damage. I left from the
marina for the Eastern vacation without any problem using the
thruster cautiously. When we arrived in Poros 30 nm away and with
strong side wind I lowered the thruster and it didn't work at all
without any warning. I was surprised ofcource and we left
immediatelly for the next harbor Porto-Heli 25 nm away where I was
able by coincidence to moor the boat without the thruster. I
immediattely ordered the new motor in La Rochelle and they shipped
it same day by UPS to my adress in Athens. When we arrived back it
was practically impossible to moor the boot as the cross wind was
over 18 Knots and I put with great difficulty the boot with the bow
in its moorafter 3 attempts. The boot is completly unmanouvarble
without the thruster, the combination of the folding propeller with
the great distance between the prop wash and the rudder make it
impossible to steer back wards but also straight forward to put the
boot in the moor.

I was extremeely happy to install the new motor in place exactly the
same day of our arrival in Kalamaki. It took 3hours to remove the
old motor and put the new one in place. It can be done with the help
of another sailor. I put immediattely the boat correctly in its moor.

I want to express my regards to the excellent after sales service in
La Rochelle and to warn everybody that if the thruster has a problem
it is better not to approach a harbor that you know that is tight
and cross wind is expected.

Regards

Dimitris Krassopoulos
SM Alma Libre


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe

KIMBERLITE <kimberlt@...>
 

www.sailopo.com <http://www.sailopo.com/> provides crew for free. You
would have to join for $200- us.
They can also provide a captain.
Mention my name Eric Freedman
Sm 376 kimberlite

-----Original Message-----
From: Jochen Hofmann [mailto:jochen@jwhofmann.de]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe

Hi Christina,



would love to do the transfer for you myself but I am in the middle of a
ham
licence course and thus will probably not be available for the time you
mentioned.

However I might be able to give you a very good recommendation: A German
company specializing in Yacht deliveries. They have their own skippers
and
normally get the crew through ads in German yachting magazines. This is
usually either free of charge for the owner or very reasonably priced.



I did lots of crewing for them (including a transfer of an SM from La
Rochelle to the Baltic Sea in March ! ) before we bought our own Amel
Maramu
# 143.



What model / hull # are you looking for in FLA ?



Kind regards,



Jochen Hofmann

S/Y Blue Song







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Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe



Dear all

We are thinking about buying an Amel in Ft Lauderdale. Since we live
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Unfortunately our jobs make it impossible for us take part in the
crossing, so we are looking for a good and trustworthy solution.

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Best regards to you all

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p.s. we hope to set sail from Ft Lauderdale in May/June 2004.








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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe

Jochen Hofmann <jochen@...>
 

Hi Christina,



would love to do the transfer for you myself but I am in the middle of a ham
licence course and thus will probably not be available for the time you
mentioned.

However I might be able to give you a very good recommendation: A German
company specializing in Yacht deliveries. They have their own skippers and
normally get the crew through ads in German yachting magazines. This is
usually either free of charge for the owner or very reasonably priced.



I did lots of crewing for them (including a transfer of an SM from La
Rochelle to the Baltic Sea in March ! ) before we bought our own Amel Maramu
# 143.



What model / hull # are you looking for in FLA ?



Kind regards,



Jochen Hofmann

S/Y Blue Song







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Von: cjcolclough [mailto:cjcolclough@yahoo.co.uk]
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. April 2004 00:04
An: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] crew needed - maybe



Dear all

We are thinking about buying an Amel in Ft Lauderdale. Since we live
in Europe, we are looking for somebody who can sail her to us. Can
anybody recommend a company or private people/ a crew who can do this?

Unfortunately our jobs make it impossible for us take part in the
crossing, so we are looking for a good and trustworthy solution.

Any and all advice would be much appreciated.

Best regards to you all

christina colclough

p.s. we hope to set sail from Ft Lauderdale in May/June 2004.








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crew needed - maybe

cjcolclough <cjcolclough@...>
 

Dear all

We are thinking about buying an Amel in Ft Lauderdale. Since we live
in Europe, we are looking for somebody who can sail her to us. Can
anybody recommend a company or private people/ a crew who can do this?

Unfortunately our jobs make it impossible for us take part in the
crossing, so we are looking for a good and trustworthy solution.

Any and all advice would be much appreciated.

Best regards to you all

christina colclough

p.s. we hope to set sail from Ft Lauderdale in May/June 2004.


Chile

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Slightly off the subject, but if any Amel is thinking of heading to Chile there is a wonderful new pilot out by the owners of Suadade III, an Amel Sharki which has cruised Patagonia for the last 8 years.The pilot is called Patagonia & Tierra del Fuego and written by Mariolina Rolfo and Gioirgio Ardrizzi. ISBN 888598634 X. 719 pages. Over 400 anchorages beautifully desribed and charted, lots of excellent colour prints and background information. The authors set out to find a safe anchorage every 5 miles from the entry to Chilean waters in the South all the way to Valdivia and have largely succeded. I think this will rank amongst the best pilot books ever written. Even if you dont intend to sail to Chile it makes great reading. But, beware.....read it and you will want to come! Ian and Judy Jenkins, Pen Azen, SM 302, Puerto Montt, Chile.

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Main boom dopwnhaul/preventer

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
 

Hello again Giovanni,
We have now taken some pics to show the arrangement described in my
message No 1076.
The pics are now posted at the end of the album.Click on Photos and
then click on SM319 This will open the album which has 18 pics
showing some of the stuff described in my message No 897 and Pic Nos
19,20 & 21 show the preventer.
Note that the traveller is still in the centre as we shape the sail
by adjusting the main sheet and the preventer.
When we gybe the boat we first centre the boom and after gybing ease
the boom out using the preventer which, by then, is on the windward
side of the boat.
We then take up the tension on the leeward preventer to shape the
sail and avoid the possibility of an accidental crash gybe.
Perhaps we may meet as we will be in Croatia this summer

Regards, Anne & John Bali Hai, SM319


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
 

Eric,

They are the live well pumps. I tried to attach the info in the event anyone
uses them.

Roy

-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlt [mailto:kimberlt@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump
Recall


Aren't these the bait ( livewell) pumps used on fishing boats ?

Thanks

Eric





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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq."
<rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote:
>
>
> FYI,
>
> Roy
>
>

Which pump?






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Achim,

thanks for doing the test. Looks like my recollections were wrong about the
160 amps then. My apologies, and good news for Dimitris. Thank you also for
the info on the fuses. I am not sure that I would like to fit one as the
startup load might trip the fuse just when you really need the bowthruster.
As Dimitris said, it's better to save the boat than the bowthruster.

I have had the mainsail furling motor circuit breaker trip a few times on my
second boat. This never happened with the previous boat. Maybe it is a
combination of the new sails and wetness causing more drag than the Gateff
laminated sails? It only seems to happen in rain. Has anyone else had the
breaker trip when trying to furl the main?

Ian Shepherd

SM 414 Crusader

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Joachim Schröder" <Achimschro@web.de>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem


Hello,

I just read your message regarding the non availability of a fuse. " the
Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster."

There are fuses for 300 and 355 amps on the market. The price in Germany is
about 34.- € for the holding device and 8.- € for the fuse itself. This is
just from a normal yacht equipment dealer.

Hope that helps and happy easter to you too.

Achim Schroeder
Kirk # 81







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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
 

Hi Dimitris,

yes you are right. You don't need expensive equipment to read the current
taken by the bow thruster motor. The Link 10 will show the discharge current
for free.

I may have been mistaken about the 160 amps that I thought the motor
normally draws. It's been several years since I measured it. As I have been
deprived of my boat since last October, I cannot do a test at the moment and
see what it should be, but I am sure that there are others out there who
could operated the joystick and see what current the Link 10 is showing? It
would be a good comparison for you. If they are also showing around 300
amps, then you are probably OK. This seems to fit the calculation. I hope to
be back on board Crusader mid May, and I will do a similar test and let you
know.

As I have to sail to Malta to complete VAT paid formalities, I may well be
in your area after a visit to Croatia. Time for an ouzo or two? Do you have
on board email and SSB?

Fair winds

Yasu

Ian Shepherd (Larnaca Cyprus)

----- Original Message -----
From: "dimitriskrassopoulos" <dkra@almalibre.gr>
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:31 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem



Thanks to all for the support. I really know now more than before.
It is excellent that we have a forum for our boats. So in reply to
Ian I think that Kimberlitt is right the Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster.

I know that you have to use the thruster only for small bursts but
it is better to save the boat than the thruster. However I also
thought that there is a fuse to stop the thruster as it is one for
the anchor but there is not any and Amel replied to me that there is
not possible to find a fuse that can withstand all these amperes. So
be beware that you can damage the thruster and run into a fire
disaster if you use it for longer period.

Now I will think my next step. I will use the thruster cautiously
over the Easter vacations and then remove it from the boat for a
closer look by an electrician and decide if I need to buy a new
motor.

Happy Easter to all

Dimitris Krassopoulos
Alma Libre
Hull 370







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Rule "F" Series pumps

Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
 

Listmates,

Sorry about the post. Apparently, I cannot send photos/or copies of complete
pages. The website is: http://www.rule-industries.com/

Roy
Sharki #123
Unwineding
Portsmouth, NH, USA

Duddy Law Offices
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

kimberlt <kimberlt@...>
 

Aren't these the bait ( livewell) pumps used on fishing boats ?

Thanks

Eric





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From: Alejandro Paquin [mailto:alex.paquin@usa.net]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq."
<rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote:


FYI,

Roy

Which pump?






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Re: ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

Alejandro Paquin
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Roy A. Duddy, Esq."
<rduddy.duddylawoffices@v...> wrote:


FYI,

Roy

Which pump?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

kimberlt <kimberlt@...>
 

The balance of this e-mail was not received- please send again-

Fair winds,

Eric'





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From: Roy A. Duddy, Esq. [mailto:rduddy.duddylawoffices@verizon.net]
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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall





FYI,

Roy








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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bowthruster Problem

Hans-Joachim Schröder <Achimschro@...>
 

Hello,

I just read your message regarding the non availability of a fuse. " the Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster."

There are fuses for 300 and 355 amps on the market. The price in Germany is about 34.- € for the holding device and 8.- € for the fuse itself. This is just from a normal yacht equipment dealer.

Hope that helps and happy easter to you too.

Achim Schroeder
Kirk # 81


ITT Jabsco Industries - Rule Pump Recall

Roy A. Duddy, Esq. <rduddy.duddylawoffices@...>
 

FYI,

Roy


Bowthruster Problem

dimitriskrassopoulos <dkra@...>
 

Thanks to all for the support. I really know now more than before.
It is excellent that we have a forum for our boats. So in reply to
Ian I think that Kimberlitt is right the Link 10 instrument is
reading more than 300 Amperes when I moved the joystick of the
thruster.

I know that you have to use the thruster only for small bursts but
it is better to save the boat than the thruster. However I also
thought that there is a fuse to stop the thruster as it is one for
the anchor but there is not any and Amel replied to me that there is
not possible to find a fuse that can withstand all these amperes. So
be beware that you can damage the thruster and run into a fire
disaster if you use it for longer period.

Now I will think my next step. I will use the thruster cautiously
over the Easter vacations and then remove it from the boat for a
closer look by an electrician and decide if I need to buy a new
motor.

Happy Easter to all

Dimitris Krassopoulos
Alma Libre
Hull 370