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test do not reply

Eric Freedman
 


amel changed the seals

Eric Freedman
 

Sometime in the last 4 years I believe Amel changed the seals.

Kimberlite a2002 model originally came with one type of foam seals now
there are 2 types in the last shipment.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

Hi, Bill,
I was aware of the discussion that there were two different kinds of seals,
so I inspected them carefully and could find no difference. It was time to
launch so I used what they sent me and have had no leaking so far.
Kent

From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com
<mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> >
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: [Amel] 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster


Kent,

There have been 2 types of foam seals for at least 7 years that I know of.
One type for the top and 2 for the bottom.

The issue is that very few of us knew this 7 years ago, they were not
labeled differently, and Amel did not ship them as different parts...

BUT, they are different.

I suspect the ones you received from Amel were 2 of one kind and the third
different. It takes very close examination to see the difference.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Selimkye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, karkauai@... wrote:

When I ordered two sets of seals from Amel, there was only one type of
foam seal. Two below and one above...so far so good after a season.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone powered by Alltel

-----Original Message-----
From: "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...>
Sender: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:12:12
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the
bow thruster

Eric,

Yes, there are two different types of foam seals used on the bow thruster.
When I discovered this a few years ago, I re-wrote the BOW THRUSTER SERVICE
by Gary Silver.pdf which was originally written by you and Gary and posted
it in the files section of the Amel website. Someone moved it to the
Miscellaneous folder and it is currently at:
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0EIGUF_yTm7js-FLlJZaHXGZjQcD6ENlTzMPgrXshX91t1E
q0y0AAGOQ4l9po9oqNdqqFxfhhLXj34gyPhZqXfV0K40/Miscellaneous/BOW%20THRUSTER%20
SERVICE%20by%20Gary%20Silver.pdf

Amel told me that if you get the seals mixed up, you will get some water
in through the bow thruster. I believe that you can also get some water by
getting the torque on the lifting cable too tight or too lose. I know that
some owners do not use the safety pin, but rather change the lifting cable
adjustment to place more pressure on the seals when the Bow Thruster is UP.
This adjustment changes the seal when the Bow Thruster is DOWN. And in my
opinion, when it is down and in use you will get water inside if you have
the wrong seal, or if you have incorrectly adjusted the lifting cable.

This is 80% opinion and 20% experience, so please take it as that.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@>
wrote:

there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster.

Dear Eric,



To help you with the foam seals, I have attached a drawing of the
bowthruster showing where they are located. Indeed the neoprene seals
are
located outside the hull and the natural seal sits inside the boat.
Please
tell me how many of each I should put in the shipment.

Thank you.



Best regards,



Maud/Chantiers AMEL Customer service

sav@













Re: strange emails from you via the Amel yahoo group

Eric Freedman
 

Hi RUTH,

I Can not figure why this is happening.

I receive my email with the subject and my correct yahoo address; however
when I go the Amel site it shows unknown sender and no user name.

I am posting this to the group possibly someone knows the answer. I also
posted on yahoo questions and answers.



Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite









_____

From: john martin [mailto:symoondog@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 1:28 PM
To: Eric KIMEBERLITE
Subject: strange emails from you via the Amel yahoo group



Hi Eric
Frequently we get strange emails that appear to have originated from you but
come for an address that starts with "sentto..." and is connected with the
amel owners yahoo group. You are the only Amel group member that seems to
have this going on. Do you know what the issue is ? Ruth (John's wife)


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test- do not reply-thanks Eric

Eric Freedman
 


Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Good day Gene,
The switches are located only a few miles away from me in the UK.
Here is a link to the website.
 
http://www.polevolt.co.uk/acatalog/Push_Button_Switches.html
 
 
The PBS4 is virtually identical to the ones that are fitted to Zephyr although unfortunately the body is made of steel and not brass. I have just taken a file to it to test it.
The PBS5 has a plastic body which appears to be more suitable although the securing nut is steel. The cover from the PBS5 fits the existing Amel fitted switch. I intend to fit the cover to our existing switch and to keep the body as a spare. I am still hunting replacement covers.
Hope this helps.
 
Regards
Graham
Zephyr Sharki 181

________________________________
From: Gene Carter <geneccarter@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012, 22:19
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement



 

good day Graham,

Were did you find the switch

Stargazer Sharki #132

 
 
 
Go Sailing

Gene C Carter

________________________________
From: Graham Johnston <mailto:grahamjohnston42%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement


 
Hello John,
I agree with you that the Amel addition may not be the best and have considered installing deck switches as an alternative. I just want a quick fix at the moment as we are preparing to depart on a cruise and, as usual, I do not have time for all the jobs that need to be done and so the easy option would be to change the existing switch.
I have now found what appears to be a suitable  replacement and will fit it tomorrow.
 
Regards
Graham
Zephyr, Sharki 181

________________________________
From: Anne and John Hollamby <mailto:annejohnholl%40gmail.com>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012, 9:32
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

 
Hello Graham,
The switches on top of the winch are an Amel addition and not one of their best ideas as they do not last and are prone to leaking sea water into the motor.Foot switches are much cheaper, last a long time and only involve a small hole through the deck for the wire.
John, Bali Hai, SM319

From: Graham Johnston
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:26 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

Many thanks. I will use Amel if I cannot source from elsewhere.
By the way we named our First 405 Stargazer, a good nme for a boat I think.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr

________________________________
From: "mailto:geneccarter%40yahoo.com" <mailto:geneccarter%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012, 16:37
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

Good day I had to replace thru Amel

Sharki #132 stargazer
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: "GrahamJohnston42" <mailto:grahamjohnston42%40yahoo.com>
Sender: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 08:17:47
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

Hi all,
Has anyone got the part number of the windlass switches as Vetus UK deny that they are their product and I need a couple?

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

The switches and covers are made by Vetus DenOunden

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:51 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement





Mark,

Three things:
It is possible that a shop that rebuilds starter motors can rebuild your
motor.

BeBe, #387 has a 1200 Lofrans Tigres.

The most common place for water to get into the motor area of your windlass
is through cracked UP/Down push button switch covers. You may want to
inspect them closely for cracks. The push button switch & covers are
available from Amel and I found them in a shop in NZ.

Hope this helps you and good luck.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mark" <markghayden@> wrote:

The motor on our windlass appears to be shot. It is getting 24V but not
turning over and appears badly corroded, as though water has been sneaking
in.

The distributor in Australia has a replacement from Lofrans in stock. It
is labelled as 1500W whereas my Lofrans manual says our original motor was
1000W. The Amel electrical diagrams show the windlass being on a 100A
breaker (shared with the furler), which my limited understanding says should
easily be enough for the additional wattage.

Has anyone else replaced their windlass motor or had any experience with
this replacement?

Thanks in advance!

Mark

SM2k #331
www.svnorthfork.blogspot.com
www.seaiq.com




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Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

Gene
 

good day Graham,

Were did you find the switch


Stargazer Sharki #132

 
 
 
Go Sailing

Gene C Carter




________________________________
From: Graham Johnston <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement


 
Hello John,
I agree with you that the Amel addition may not be the best and have considered installing deck switches as an alternative. I just want a quick fix at the moment as we are preparing to depart on a cruise and, as usual, I do not have time for all the jobs that need to be done and so the easy option would be to change the existing switch.
I have now found what appears to be a suitable  replacement and will fit it tomorrow.
 
Regards
Graham
Zephyr, Sharki 181

________________________________
From: Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@gmail.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012, 9:32
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

 
Hello Graham,
The switches on top of the winch are an Amel addition and not one of their best ideas as they do not last and are prone to leaking sea water into the motor.Foot switches are much cheaper, last a long time and only involve a small hole through the deck for the wire.
John, Bali Hai, SM319

From: Graham Johnston
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:26 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

Many thanks. I will use Amel if I cannot source from elsewhere.
By the way we named our First 405 Stargazer, a good nme for a boat I think.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr

________________________________
From: "mailto:geneccarter%40yahoo.com" <mailto:geneccarter%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012, 16:37
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

Good day I had to replace thru Amel

Sharki #132 stargazer
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: "GrahamJohnston42" <mailto:grahamjohnston42%40yahoo.com>
Sender: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 08:17:47
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

Hi all,
Has anyone got the part number of the windlass switches as Vetus UK deny that they are their product and I need a couple?

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

The switches and covers are made by Vetus DenOunden

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:51 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement





Mark,

Three things:
It is possible that a shop that rebuilds starter motors can rebuild your
motor.

BeBe, #387 has a 1200 Lofrans Tigres.

The most common place for water to get into the motor area of your windlass
is through cracked UP/Down push button switch covers. You may want to
inspect them closely for cracks. The push button switch & covers are
available from Amel and I found them in a shop in NZ.

Hope this helps you and good luck.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mark" <markghayden@> wrote:

The motor on our windlass appears to be shot. It is getting 24V but not
turning over and appears badly corroded, as though water has been sneaking
in.

The distributor in Australia has a replacement from Lofrans in stock. It
is labelled as 1500W whereas my Lofrans manual says our original motor was
1000W. The Amel electrical diagrams show the windlass being on a 100A
breaker (shared with the furler), which my limited understanding says should
easily be enough for the additional wattage.

Has anyone else replaced their windlass motor or had any experience with
this replacement?

Thanks in advance!

Mark

SM2k #331
www.svnorthfork.blogspot.com
www.seaiq.com




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Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Hello John,
I agree with you that the Amel addition may not be the best and have considered installing deck switches as an alternative. I just want a quick fix at the moment as we are preparing to depart on a cruise and, as usual, I do not have time for all the jobs that need to be done and so the easy option would be to change the existing switch.
I have now found what appears to be a suitable  replacement and will fit it tomorrow.
 
Regards
Graham
Zephyr, Sharki 181


________________________________
From: Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@gmail.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 16 July 2012, 9:32
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement


 
Hello Graham,
The switches on top of the winch are an Amel addition and not one of their best ideas as they do not last and are prone to leaking sea water into the motor.Foot switches are much cheaper, last a long time and only involve a small hole through the deck for the wire.
John, Bali Hai, SM319

From: Graham Johnston
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:26 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

Many thanks. I will use Amel if I cannot source from elsewhere.
By the way we named our First 405 Stargazer, a good nme for a boat I think.

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr

________________________________
From: "mailto:geneccarter%40yahoo.com" <mailto:geneccarter%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012, 16:37
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

Good day I had to replace thru Amel

Sharki #132 stargazer
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-----Original Message-----
From: "GrahamJohnston42" <mailto:grahamjohnston42%40yahoo.com>
Sender: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 08:17:47
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement

Hi all,
Has anyone got the part number of the windlass switches as Vetus UK deny that they are their product and I need a couple?

Regards
Graham
Sharki 181 Zephyr

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

The switches and covers are made by Vetus DenOunden

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 12:51 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Lofrans Tigres motor replacement





Mark,

Three things:
It is possible that a shop that rebuilds starter motors can rebuild your
motor.

BeBe, #387 has a 1200 Lofrans Tigres.

The most common place for water to get into the motor area of your windlass
is through cracked UP/Down push button switch covers. You may want to
inspect them closely for cracks. The push button switch & covers are
available from Amel and I found them in a shop in NZ.

Hope this helps you and good luck.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mark" <markghayden@> wrote:

The motor on our windlass appears to be shot. It is getting 24V but not
turning over and appears badly corroded, as though water has been sneaking
in.

The distributor in Australia has a replacement from Lofrans in stock. It
is labelled as 1500W whereas my Lofrans manual says our original motor was
1000W. The Amel electrical diagrams show the windlass being on a 100A
breaker (shared with the furler), which my limited understanding says should
easily be enough for the additional wattage.

Has anyone else replaced their windlass motor or had any experience with
this replacement?

Thanks in advance!

Mark

SM2k #331
www.svnorthfork.blogspot.com
www.seaiq.com




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Re: [Amel] Bow thruster leak

john martin <symoondog@...>
 

I have found the secret to keeping the water out is replacing the lip seal when you service the thruster. They are 10 bucks a piece at any place that sells seals and bearings. Also coat the entire outer shaft with a silicone grease, to slide easily through the seal and help keep the water out. To keep the shaft from sticking to the motor, put plenty of heavy grease on the drive shaft and inside the motor where the shaft slides in. When you think you have enough grease on both parts, put a little more on. John "Moon Dog" SM 248
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
From: simms@xtra.co.nz
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:54:22 +1200
Subject: [Amel] Bow thruster leak


























Hi all, somewhat shocked to read that some are accepting leakage from the bow thruster as a given. What a risk. We had a leak soon after we bought ours. Replaced the lip seal. end of leak. 18000 miles later we have replaced the seals on each biannual haulout, last time in May 2012 there was a seep, nothing more. Replaced the lip seal and the foams and 1500 miles later still dry as a bone



I believe the use of the pin to lock up is essential as that is Amels design length set. Also, think about cable failure without the pin. Ouch. I would believe one of the purposes for the foams is to stop rattle. (as well as to absorb some of the surge) Imagine what it would be like without them and the thruster to socket, hard to hard. Would shake all over the place. Same for the top one, gives a flexible base to sit on. Lip seals go in smooth side up. The specified 60 x 80 x 12 seals have a double lip. I have used 10mm single lip with success but clearly the double is better. I put a smear of RTV silicone on the outer edge of the seal to help with sealing the join.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

soon to leave Nuku' alofa Tonga



________________________________

From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com>

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012 5:04 PM

Subject: [Amel] Need everyone's help on this---2 diferent types of foam seals





All,



If each one of us asks Amel to label these foam seals when they are shipped I am sure that:

1.) Amel will not make a mistake and send 3 of one kind...AND...

2.) We will not make a mistake and install them incorrectly.



I will not be ordering for 4 years as I have a supply of the two types of seals. But if each of you ordering these foam seals will ask Amel to label them, we can solve this issue.



Best,



Bill

BeBe, SM2k, #387

Currently Selimye, Turkey



--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi, Bill,
I was aware of the discussion that there were two different kinds of seals, so I inspected them carefully and could find no difference. It was time to launch so I used what they sent me and have had no leaking so far..
Kent
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: [Amel] 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster
Kent,
There have been 2 types of foam seals for at least 7 years that I know of. One type for the top and 2 for the bottom.
The issue is that very few of us knew this 7 years ago, they were not labeled differently, and Amel did not ship them as different parts...
BUT, they are different.
I suspect the ones you received from Amel were 2 of one kind and the third different. It takes very close examination to see the difference.
Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Selimkye, Turkey
--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, karkauai@ wrote:
When I ordered two sets of seals from Amel, there was only one type of foam seal. Two below and one above...so far so good after a season.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Alltel
-----Original Message-----
From: "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@>
Sender: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:12:12
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster
Eric,
Yes, there are two different types of foam seals used on the bow thruster. When I discovered this a few years ago, I re-wrote the BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf which was originally written by you and Gary and posted it in the files section of the Amel website. Someone moved it to the Miscellaneous folder and it is currently at: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0EIGUF_yTm7js-FLlJZaHXGZjQcD6ENlTzMPgrXshX91t1Eq0y0AAGOQ4l9po9oqNdqqFxfhhLXj34gyPhZqXfV0K40/Miscellaneous/BOW%20THRUSTER%20SERVICE%20by%20Gary%20Silver.pdf
Amel told me that if you get the seals mixed up, you will get some water in through the bow thruster. I believe that you can also get some water by getting the torque on the lifting cable too tight or too lose. I know that some owners do not use the safety pin, but rather change the lifting cable adjustment to place more pressure on the seals when the Bow Thruster is UP. This adjustment changes the seal when the Bow Thruster is DOWN. And in my opinion, when it is down and in use you will get water inside if you have the wrong seal, or if you have incorrectly adjusted the lifting cable.
This is 80% opinion and 20% experience, so please take it as that.
Hope this helps.
Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:
there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster.
Dear Eric,
To help you with the foam seals, I have attached a drawing of the
bowthruster showing where they are located. Indeed the neoprene seals are
located outside the hull and the natural seal sits inside the boat. Please
tell me how many of each I should put in the shipment.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Maud/Chantiers AMEL Customer service
sav@
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Bow thruster leak

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all, somewhat shocked to read that some are accepting leakage from the bow thruster as a given. What a risk. We had a leak soon after we bought ours. Replaced the lip seal. end of leak. 18000 miles later we have replaced the seals on each biannual haulout, last time in May 2012 there was a seep, nothing more. Replaced the lip seal and the foams and 1500 miles later still dry as a bone

I believe the use of the pin to lock up is essential as that is Amels design length set. Also, think about cable failure without the pin. Ouch. I would believe one of the purposes for the foams is to stop rattle. (as well as to absorb some of the surge) Imagine what it would be like without them and the thruster to socket, hard to hard. Would shake all over the place. Same for the top one, gives a flexible base to sit on. Lip seals go in smooth side up. The specified 60 x 80 x 12 seals have a double lip. I have used 10mm single lip with success but clearly the double is better. I put a smear of RTV silicone on the outer edge of the seal to help with sealing the join.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
soon to leave Nuku' alofa Tonga


________________________________
From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 19 July 2012 5:04 PM
Subject: [Amel] Need everyone's help on this---2 diferent types of foam seals


 
All,

If each one of us asks Amel to label these foam seals when they are shipped I am sure that:
1.) Amel will not make a mistake and send 3 of one kind...AND...
2.) We will not make a mistake and install them incorrectly.

I will not be ordering for 4 years as I have a supply of the two types of seals. But if each of you ordering these foam seals will ask Amel to label them, we can solve this issue.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Selimye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi, Bill,
I was aware of the discussion that there were two different kinds of seals, so I inspected them carefully and could find no difference.  It was time to launch so I used what they sent me and have had no leaking so far..
Kent

From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: [Amel] 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster


 
Kent,

There have been 2 types of foam seals for at least 7 years that I know of. One type for the top and 2 for the bottom.

The issue is that very few of us knew this 7 years ago, they were not labeled differently, and Amel did not ship them as different parts...

BUT, they are different.

I suspect the ones you received from Amel were 2 of one kind and the third different. It takes very close examination to see the difference.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Selimkye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, karkauai@ wrote:

When I ordered two sets of seals from Amel, there was only one type of foam seal. Two below and one above...so far so good after a season.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Alltel

-----Original Message-----
From: "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@>
Sender: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:12:12
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster

Eric,

Yes, there are two different types of foam seals used on the bow thruster. When I discovered this a few years ago, I re-wrote the BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf which was originally written by you and Gary and posted it in the files section of the Amel website. Someone moved it to the Miscellaneous folder and it is currently at: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0EIGUF_yTm7js-FLlJZaHXGZjQcD6ENlTzMPgrXshX91t1Eq0y0AAGOQ4l9po9oqNdqqFxfhhLXj34gyPhZqXfV0K40/Miscellaneous/BOW%20THRUSTER%20SERVICE%20by%20Gary%20Silver.pdf

Amel told me that if you get the seals mixed up, you will get some water in through the bow thruster. I believe that you can also get some water by getting the torque on the lifting cable too tight or too lose. I know that some owners do not use the safety pin, but rather change the lifting cable adjustment to place more pressure on the seals when the Bow Thruster is UP. This adjustment changes the seal when the Bow Thruster is DOWN. And in my opinion, when it is down and in use you will get water inside if you have the wrong seal, or if you have incorrectly adjusted the lifting cable.

This is 80% opinion and 20% experience, so please take it as that.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:

there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster.

Dear Eric,



To help you with the foam seals, I have attached a drawing of the
bowthruster showing where they are located. Indeed the neoprene seals are
located outside the hull and the natural seal sits inside the boat. Please
tell me how many of each I should put in the shipment.

Thank you.



Best regards,



Maud/Chantiers AMEL Customer service

sav@











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Need everyone's help on this---2 diferent types of foam seals

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

All,

If each one of us asks Amel to label these foam seals when they are shipped I am sure that:
1.) Amel will not make a mistake and send 3 of one kind...AND...
2.) We will not make a mistake and install them incorrectly.

I will not be ordering for 4 years as I have a supply of the two types of seals. But if each of you ordering these foam seals will ask Amel to label them, we can solve this issue.

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Selimye, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi, Bill,
I was aware of the discussion that there were two different kinds of seals, so I inspected them carefully and could find no difference.  It was time to launch so I used what they sent me and have had no leaking so far.
Kent

From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: [Amel] 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster


 
Kent,

There have been 2 types of foam seals for at least 7 years that I know of. One type for the top and 2 for the bottom.

The issue is that very few of us knew this 7 years ago, they were not labeled differently, and Amel did not ship them as different parts...

BUT, they are different.

I suspect the ones you received from Amel were 2 of one kind and the third different. It takes very close examination to see the difference.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Selimkye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, karkauai@ wrote:

When I ordered two sets of seals from Amel, there was only one type of foam seal. Two below and one above...so far so good after a season.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Alltel

-----Original Message-----
From: "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@>
Sender: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:12:12
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster

Eric,

Yes, there are two different types of foam seals used on the bow thruster. When I discovered this a few years ago, I re-wrote the BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf which was originally written by you and Gary and posted it in the files section of the Amel website. Someone moved it to the Miscellaneous folder and it is currently at: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0EIGUF_yTm7js-FLlJZaHXGZjQcD6ENlTzMPgrXshX91t1Eq0y0AAGOQ4l9po9oqNdqqFxfhhLXj34gyPhZqXfV0K40/Miscellaneous/BOW%20THRUSTER%20SERVICE%20by%20Gary%20Silver.pdf

Amel told me that if you get the seals mixed up, you will get some water in through the bow thruster. I believe that you can also get some water by getting the torque on the lifting cable too tight or too lose. I know that some owners do not use the safety pin, but rather change the lifting cable adjustment to place more pressure on the seals when the Bow Thruster is UP. This adjustment changes the seal when the Bow Thruster is DOWN. And in my opinion, when it is down and in use you will get water inside if you have the wrong seal, or if you have incorrectly adjusted the lifting cable.

This is 80% opinion and 20% experience, so please take it as that.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:

there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster.

Dear Eric,



To help you with the foam seals, I have attached a drawing of the
bowthruster showing where they are located. Indeed the neoprene seals are
located outside the hull and the natural seal sits inside the boat. Please
tell me how many of each I should put in the shipment.

Thank you.



Best regards,



Maud/Chantiers AMEL Customer service

sav@











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Re: Onan oil filter

Jim Anderson
 

Hi Jorge,



For the Onan MDKAV 7KW genset on SM384 the

Kubota Part # for the oil filter is V 1105

Using that part # a local auto parts store (in the USA) was able to find a
replacement that they had in stock. I think it was a Mobil brand. I'm not on
the boat right now but will check next time I'm there & get back to you with
that part number.



Best,



Jim

SM 384

Sirena Azul


Re: [Amel] 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster

karkauai
 

Hi, Bill,
I was aware of the discussion that there were two different kinds of seals, so I inspected them carefully and could find no difference.  It was time to launch so I used what they sent me and have had no leaking so far.
Kent

From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@svbebe.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: [Amel] 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster


 
Kent,

There have been 2 types of foam seals for at least 7 years that I know of. One type for the top and 2 for the bottom.

The issue is that very few of us knew this 7 years ago, they were not labeled differently, and Amel did not ship them as different parts...

BUT, they are different.

I suspect the ones you received from Amel were 2 of one kind and the third different. It takes very close examination to see the difference.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Selimkye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, karkauai@... wrote:

When I ordered two sets of seals from Amel, there was only one type of foam seal. Two below and one above...so far so good after a season.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Alltel

-----Original Message-----
From: "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...>
Sender: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:12:12
To: <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster

Eric,

Yes, there are two different types of foam seals used on the bow thruster. When I discovered this a few years ago, I re-wrote the BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf which was originally written by you and Gary and posted it in the files section of the Amel website. Someone moved it to the Miscellaneous folder and it is currently at: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0EIGUF_yTm7js-FLlJZaHXGZjQcD6ENlTzMPgrXshX91t1Eq0y0AAGOQ4l9po9oqNdqqFxfhhLXj34gyPhZqXfV0K40/Miscellaneous/BOW%20THRUSTER%20SERVICE%20by%20Gary%20Silver.pdf

Amel told me that if you get the seals mixed up, you will get some water in through the bow thruster. I believe that you can also get some water by getting the torque on the lifting cable too tight or too lose. I know that some owners do not use the safety pin, but rather change the lifting cable adjustment to place more pressure on the seals when the Bow Thruster is UP. This adjustment changes the seal when the Bow Thruster is DOWN. And in my opinion, when it is down and in use you will get water inside if you have the wrong seal, or if you have incorrectly adjusted the lifting cable.

This is 80% opinion and 20% experience, so please take it as that.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:

there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster.

Dear Eric,



To help you with the foam seals, I have attached a drawing of the
bowthruster showing where they are located. Indeed the neoprene seals are
located outside the hull and the natural seal sits inside the boat. Please
tell me how many of each I should put in the shipment.

Thank you.



Best regards,



Maud/Chantiers AMEL Customer service

sav@







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[Amel] Re: Foredeck Light

karkauai
 

I received the retaining rings sold by Aqua Signal for their Kiel mast-mounted deck lights. Unfortunately they don't fit the fixtures I have on KRISTY. Apparantly mine are not Aqua Signal lights. Back to square one I guess. If anyone has any ideas about what other fixtures they might be I'd be grateful.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Ah Ha!  That explains why the bulb wants to come out so easily.  Mine doesn't have a retaining ring.  I'll look at it again when I'm back on the boat.  I should be able to find a 100mm pvc vent cap on line.  If not, perhaps a ziplock can be judiciously applied to make it more secure, as Danny suggested.
Cool!  Thanks,
Kent
SM243
KRISTY


________________________________
From: drew_gaffney <drew.gaffney@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 4:12 PM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Foredeck Light


 
Hi Kent,
The fixture on Revelation SM390, as Bebe's, is an AquaSignal. It's no longer made. If you have the same fixture, there are two tabs that actually hold a threaded plastic ring that holds the bulb in place. We were unable to find a ring or replacement fixture, but took a 100mm threaded PVC sewer pipe vent cap, purchased in Fiji, cut it to retain the bulb but let light thru, and screwed it onto the AS fixture. It's worked for 2 years. I've seen several Amels with the retention ring missing...
The bulbs are actually 28V aircraft landing lights, made by GE, and can be bought almost anywhere. I just bought them for $16.95 each, plus shipping.
Drew

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@> wrote:

Hi again, Amel family,
I looked for the Plastimo fixture after being pointed in that direction by Joel.  Couldn't find the fixture that I have on KRISTY, but bumped into this Kiel Deck Light by Aqua Signal while I was surfing. http://www.leisureshopdirect.com/caravan/water/product_38063/Aqua_Signal_Kiel_Deck_Light.aspx
It looks like the ones on both main and mizzen masts but in black instead of off white.  I tried to find Aqua Signal on line see if they make a white one, but every page I try to access says "Web page cannot be found".  Does anyone know if they are out of business or have a web address that works?
Thanks,
Cousin Kent
1999 SM 243
Kristy
Currently Brunswick, GA

From: Alex <alex.paquin@>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:48 PM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Foredeck Light/Steaming Light


 
In the 1981 Maramu we replaced the floodlight fixture with a Malibu brand plastic 12 v halogen garden lamp purchased at Home Depot in the US. Simple and inexpensive. Perfect fit. The steaming light bulb in our case is a festoon type bulb now also available in LED.
Alex

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Kent" <karkauai@> wrote:

Hi everyone,
I've searched the site and can't find any definitive answer to this old ? from Eric. On KRISTY, SM243, the steaming light is AquaSignal, but the burned-out bulb doesn't have any markings indicating wattage. I'd like to replace the bulb with led. Does anyone know the wattage? Has anyone replaced this (and the bow nav lites) with led's?

Just below the steaming light is mounted a separate fixture for the deck flood. The bulb is the oft-cited 24V 50A Par36 bulb. Does anyone know who makes this flood fixture? Has anyone replaced this bulb with an led?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY
Currently Brunswick GA

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, kimberlite <kimberlite@> wrote:

Does anyone know the manufacturer of the foredeck light mounted just below
the steaming light?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite















2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ian,

Go to the website for Amel Owners Group. Be sure to sign-in to your Yahoo account (probably the reason it did not work for you earlier). Go to Files >>> Miscellaneous >>> BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf

That should do you.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@...> wrote:

Bill,

thanks for the info but I am afraid the link does not work. I will be
back at KGM Saturday as currentlt in the UK picking up a spare SSB as
the installed one has developed a fault.

Regards

Ian SM414 Crusader

On 18/07/2012 06:12, Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe wrote:

Eric,

Yes, there are two different types of foam seals used on the bow
thruster. When I discovered this a few years ago, I re-wrote the BOW
THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf which was originally written by
you and Gary and posted it in the files section of the Amel website.
Someone moved it to the Miscellaneous folder and it is currently at:
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0EIGUF_yTm7js-FLlJZaHXGZjQcD6ENlTzMPgrXshX91t1Eq0y0AAGOQ4l9po9oqNdqqFxfhhLXj34gyPhZqXfV0K40/Miscellaneous/BOW%20THRUSTER%20SERVICE%20by%20Gary%20Silver.pdf

Amel told me that if you get the seals mixed up, you will get some
water in through the bow thruster. I believe that you can also get
some water by getting the torque on the lifting cable too tight or too
lose. I know that some owners do not use the safety pin, but rather
change the lifting cable adjustment to place more pressure on the
seals when the Bow Thruster is UP. This adjustment changes the seal
when the Bow Thruster is DOWN. And in my opinion, when it is down and
in use you will get water inside if you have the wrong seal, or if you
have incorrectly adjusted the lifting cable.

This is 80% opinion and 20% experience, so please take it as that.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>, Sailormon <kimberlite@>
wrote:

there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster.

Dear Eric,



To help you with the foam seals, I have attached a drawing of the
bowthruster showing where they are located. Indeed the neoprene
seals are
located outside the hull and the natural seal sits inside the boat.
Please
tell me how many of each I should put in the shipment.

Thank you.



Best regards,



Maud/Chantiers AMEL Customer service

sav@







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2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Kent,

There have been 2 types of foam seals for at least 7 years that I know of. One type for the top and 2 for the bottom.

The issue is that very few of us knew this 7 years ago, they were not labeled differently, and Amel did not ship them as different parts...

BUT, they are different.

I suspect the ones you received from Amel were 2 of one kind and the third different. It takes very close examination to see the difference.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Selimkye, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, karkauai@... wrote:

When I ordered two sets of seals from Amel, there was only one type of foam seal. Two below and one above...so far so good after a season.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
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From: "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...>
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Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:12:12
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Amel] Re: there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster

Eric,

Yes, there are two different types of foam seals used on the bow thruster. When I discovered this a few years ago, I re-wrote the BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf which was originally written by you and Gary and posted it in the files section of the Amel website. Someone moved it to the Miscellaneous folder and it is currently at: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0EIGUF_yTm7js-FLlJZaHXGZjQcD6ENlTzMPgrXshX91t1Eq0y0AAGOQ4l9po9oqNdqqFxfhhLXj34gyPhZqXfV0K40/Miscellaneous/BOW%20THRUSTER%20SERVICE%20by%20Gary%20Silver.pdf

Amel told me that if you get the seals mixed up, you will get some water in through the bow thruster. I believe that you can also get some water by getting the torque on the lifting cable too tight or too lose. I know that some owners do not use the safety pin, but rather change the lifting cable adjustment to place more pressure on the seals when the Bow Thruster is UP. This adjustment changes the seal when the Bow Thruster is DOWN. And in my opinion, when it is down and in use you will get water inside if you have the wrong seal, or if you have incorrectly adjusted the lifting cable.

This is 80% opinion and 20% experience, so please take it as that.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:

there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster.

Dear Eric,



To help you with the foam seals, I have attached a drawing of the
bowthruster showing where they are located. Indeed the neoprene seals are
located outside the hull and the natural seal sits inside the boat. Please
tell me how many of each I should put in the shipment.

Thank you.



Best regards,



Maud/Chantiers AMEL Customer service

sav@







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Re: [Amel] Re: there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster

karkauai
 

When I ordered two sets of seals from Amel, there was only one type of foam seal. Two below and one above...so far so good after a season.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
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From: "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@svbebe.com>
Sender: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:12:12
To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster

Eric,

Yes, there are two different types of foam seals used on the bow thruster. When I discovered this a few years ago, I re-wrote the BOW THRUSTER SERVICE by Gary Silver.pdf which was originally written by you and Gary and posted it in the files section of the Amel website. Someone moved it to the Miscellaneous folder and it is currently at: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/0EIGUF_yTm7js-FLlJZaHXGZjQcD6ENlTzMPgrXshX91t1Eq0y0AAGOQ4l9po9oqNdqqFxfhhLXj34gyPhZqXfV0K40/Miscellaneous/BOW%20THRUSTER%20SERVICE%20by%20Gary%20Silver.pdf

Amel told me that if you get the seals mixed up, you will get some water in through the bow thruster. I believe that you can also get some water by getting the torque on the lifting cable too tight or too lose. I know that some owners do not use the safety pin, but rather change the lifting cable adjustment to place more pressure on the seals when the Bow Thruster is UP. This adjustment changes the seal when the Bow Thruster is DOWN. And in my opinion, when it is down and in use you will get water inside if you have the wrong seal, or if you have incorrectly adjusted the lifting cable.

This is 80% opinion and 20% experience, so please take it as that.

Hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

there are 2 diferent types of foam seals used on the bow thruster.

Dear Eric,



To help you with the foam seals, I have attached a drawing of the
bowthruster showing where they are located. Indeed the neoprene seals are
located outside the hull and the natural seal sits inside the boat. Please
tell me how many of each I should put in the shipment.

Thank you.



Best regards,



Maud/Chantiers AMEL Customer service

sav@...









Re: [Amel] Re: New motor

karkauai
 

I was able to adjust the pitch on my MaxProp so that the maximum rpm under load is 3300. The old Volvo was 78HP turbo and it took changing the pitch by 3 "notches" (degrees?) to get it right. The prop guy had recommended a 2 notch change but the rpm was still too high.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY
Currently Brunswick GA
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Subject: [Amel] Re: New motor


Hi all,
The continuing Saga of C-drive and our new motor.
We now have a price from Amel who luckily are going to build us a complete new Drive. This new drive is capable of taking the 110hp motor.
Does anyone know whether our existing 22" blade Classic Maxprop will be suitable or whether a larger prop would be required with the 110hp Yanmar?

The mechanic is also asking what ratio gearbox others who aleady have the 110hp Yanmar have chosen,

This boat may get back in the water SOOOOOOON!!!!!!


Regards
Barb
Sueno Azul
Super Maramu No.39
1991 Model (with all new stuff)







--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Nairne <surfskis2002@...> wrote:

Hi All,
 
Thank you so much for your replies.
Yes, I did get all the instructions from the files section but I just don't have the ability to do anything like this myself, so qualified marine mechanic has always been employed - and parts from Amel. (I even have a spare set of bearings and rubber bits).
 
I do have the schematic drawing and have given that to the present mechanic.
 
He is adamant that he needs to get the C-drive dismanted to "fix it" - he is of the opinion that the carbon fibre casing has fused with the iron inside the drive, and the two rubber rings at the bottom need replacing. It has salt water in the top end (also need new bearing(s) and salt water in the bottom end.
 
He applied 6 tons of pressure and was still unable to get the thing apart.
 
I am going to study everyting again over this weekend - have just driven back home (Sunshine Coast).
 
I really am trying to understand my boat (unfortunately Paul does not wish to).
 
Regards
Barb
Sueno Azu
No.39 Super Maramu Number 39
Gold Coast (Southport Marina)
QLD
Australia

--- On Fri, 8/6/12, Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...> wrote:


From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
Subject: [Amel] Re: New motor
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, 8 June, 2012, 4:31 PM



 



Barb,

You and Paul need to chill for a few minutes. Your Amel needs to be understood, not criticized.

The seals and wear bearing are normal items to be replaced. We do it every time we haul out. Go to the Files section of this website for instructions of how to do it. They are located at: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4JTRT4LTJsFiLpA_BVTj-1dx-NYMA2xR4e_tc_wo8dcll2CMrYDH4hTKCCjW0khLurI-3EBH7blGCvTnWLpWcduwbYM/C%20Drive%20%26%20Propeller%20Shaft%2C/Shaft%20Bushing%20and%20Seals%20Replacement.pdf

Mechanics that are not familiar with something generally are critical of what they do not understand...it is their defense mechanism. The Amel C Drive is thousands of times better than a Yanmar sail drive...and remove the C Drive and replace it with a sail drive and you converted your asset to junk!

Did you follow the instructions in the Files section )link above)?
If you did not do it yourself, are you absolutely sure it was done correctly?
Were the parts sourced from Amel?
Were the seals orientated correctly?
You said you replaced the seals, did you replace the wear bushing and its O ring as well.
Are you sure that every last bit of water was flushed when you changed the seals?
Did you inspect or replace the O ring on the C drive drain plug?
Where are you located? You should add your location to every posting...there may be someone nearby that can help.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Nairne <surfskis2002@> wrote:

Hi,
Because we had some salt water in the C-drive the mechanic is concerned that the bottom seals of the C-drive should be replaced. We have done the prop seals 4 months ago.
 
We are now looking at putting it together and doing a pressure test to see if there is a leak - and if so replacing with a Yanmar sail drive!!!
 
Hopefully I will get on top of this as Paul wants nothing further to do with this boat!!!
 
Regards
Barb
Sueno Azul
Super Maramu No 39


--- On Fri, 8/6/12, karkauai@ <karkauai@> wrote:


From: karkauai@ <karkauai@>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: New motor
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 8 June, 2012, 12:42 PM


I don't know how different the alignment will bebetween the Perkins and the Yanmar, b ut on SM 243 the alignment was very nearly the same between the Volvo and the Yanmar.  He dropped the new Yanmar in, shimmed it a little| and voila! Perfect fit.  The vertical edge of the angle iron support had to be trimmed to allow the oil filter to fit.

Kent
1999 SM243
KRISTY

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From: "Barb" <surfskis2002@>
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:07:28
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Subject: [Amel] Re: New motor





Hi all,
We now have the Perkins M80T out of the boat. The Yanmar mechanic has struck a problem. He cannot remove the top of the C drive so he can take it back to his workshop and align with the new Yanmar gearbox.
He is talking about cutting the casing so he can get to it - but of course as usual it's up to me to decide.


Any advice as to how anyone else managed their alignment of the C drive to the gearbox would be appreciated.

We are installing a 75hp Yanmar 4JH4-TE with the ZF 15MV which has the 2.718 ratio.

Thanks
Barb
Sueno Azul
No.39
Super Maramu No.39

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@> wrote:

Hi all, have to agree Bill that this could be a factor. Recently I saw a "red line" SM out of the water. I understand these were among the last SMs built. The auto prop on it was much larger than mine so I would assume that it has the 110 hp engine with a drive train and propellor to match.  
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2012 5:47 PM
Subject: [Amel] Re: New motor


 

I assume this is the root cause of the two recent C-drive failures.

Bill
BeBe SM2k #387
Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Barb" <surfskis2002@> wrote:

Hi all,
Just info for anhyone else needing to repower an earlier model Super Maramu - below info from Maud


After investigation we have found that you have the first version of cast iron drive unit and since then they have been upgraded and strengthened. Therefore the drive is not capable of taking a 110hp Yanmar engine.

The recommended power handling is 83 HP at 1000 rpm i.e.580 N/M.



We hope the information will help your mechanical engineer.

Barb
Sueno Azul
Super Maramu No.39
1991 Model












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Good morning. On my Santorin "earendil" the balck tube of bow thruster in connmected to the engine bolted on 4 screws threaded on the carbon tube. But the threads on the carbon is not resistant and after few uses deteriorates. On my Santorin a screw does not hold any longer. I saw a photo of SM CottonBay, which seems to have a bronze bushing in the black tube to hold the screws. This collar exists for the Santorin? Exists as spare part? Thanks to all and good wind


Re: [Amel] SM2000 Bow Thruster Removal

bobparry1947
 

Hi Ian,

Good luck with it. As you can imagine, the oil in ours was like mayonnaise.
It still worked well and sounded fine but it was probably on a short fuse.
We don't know why it started to leak on our way from New Caledonia but it
seems logical that the seal was somehow damaged when we went to the fuel
dock. Up until then, it had been bone dry.

Hope all goes well. We will be interested to hear how it went.

Regards,

Ann and Bob
Nowornot SM#33

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Ian Shepherd <sv_freespirit@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

**


Hi Bob,

I was joking when I said lift the foredeck of course! I was just
imagining the car jack trying to lift it up as it generated pressure. I
hope to start work on the thruster next Saturday when I am back in Cyprus.

As I have filled my thruster with grease instead of oil, it would be
possible to do all the servicing without disconnecting from the motor,
but I know that if I don't get it apart now and re-grease the splines,
then I probably never will. Thanks for the reminder on the neoprene
seal. I will have a good look at that too.

On my first SM I built a rubber dam around the entry area to the inside
of the boat and fitted drain tubes that connected to the anchor locker
drain pipe. This reduced considerably the amount of water ending up
under the floor adjacent to the forward heads.

When the thruster arrangement was re-designed following my sinking, the
later boats have a watertight compartment for the thruster that drains
into the chain locker pipe. End of problem.

I will post my findings when I have dismantled the thruster to see how
the grease worked out. Audibly, it seems fine after almost three years
of use using grease.

Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader Built 2003


On 17/07/2012 09:20, Bob Parry wrote:
Hi Ian,

I don't know what you have envisaged about the process that was used in
Yalikivak but we DID NOT remove the foredeck. They removed the bow
thruster
motor to give room to move at the top of the bow thruster (motor was
dismantled) and the whole thing was supported under the boat push against
the action of the jack. The bow thruster was in the up position and they
jacked the top section upwards, hence the need to remove the motor. We
had
the boat for 5 years before we managed to get it fixed. We had tried
everything including the drop method with the only result being
consternation among other people in the boat yard.

We have a rubber seal as well as the foam ones. It is similar to the
seals
used in irrigation systems and it has the "open" side down to stop inflow
of water. Ours had become so bad that we had to put a bulge pump in the
bilge outside the forward head. We have since travelled from Turkey to
Brisbane in Australia and had no water come in until the last leg from
New
Caledonia. It appears that the seal has suffered some damage. Dare say we
will find out during our next haul out.

Regards,

Ann and Bob Parry
Nowornot SM#33

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Ian Shepherd<sv_freespirit@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

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Hi Bo& Ann,

thanks for the info. I will try Bill's drop suggestion first before
trying to lift the foredeck! I presume by seal you mean the foam seals
that go around the shaft? There is a correct way to fit them as I
believe that one side is harder than the other. Can you please remind me
of the correct way round? I would assume that the hard side is glued to
the top and bottom of the hole and the soft side faces down and up? Or
is it the other way round?

Regards

Ian SM 414 Crusader Built 2003


On 17/07/2012 00:32, Bob Parry wrote:
We had the same problem on our 1990 Super Maramu. It was finally fixed
by
an Englishman and his Turkish assistant in Yalikavak. They removed the
motor to give room at the top and used a hydraulic car jack. The jack
was
inside the boat and the Turkish assistant supported the bottom outside
the
boat. It took a bit of effort but it worked. Whoever serviced it before
we
bought the boat had put a seal in upside down and the steel rim had
corroded and was holding the fibreglass? tube in a vice-like grip.

Good luck with it.
Ann and Bob Parry
Nowornot SM#33 in Brisbane

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:38 AM, sv_crusader<sv_freespirit@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

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I am having difficulty removing my bow thruster to service it. It
seems
well and truly stuck when I try to pull it out of the boat. I have
sprayed
the tube/motor housing connection with Corrosion Block and other
products
in the hope that it will free up in a few days, but I suspect the
shaft
splines may be corroded despite greasing them the last time it was
assembled.

Has anyone discovered a way of freeing up the unit without doing any
damage? The boat is on the hard (at your last haul out spot Bill&
Judy).
Ian Shepherd SM2000 414 Crusader Built 2003 Med





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Re: [Amel] SM2000 Bow Thruster Removal

Ian Shepherd
 

Hi Richard,

thanks for the info. You say the lip seal should be flat side down which
I take it means spring side up? Someone else has said it should be the
other way round? Does it really matter? Maybe when the bow plunges
downwards the pressure would tighten the seal more if the spring was
facing downwards?

I am also wondering if a rubber boot filled with grease that would grip
the tube just below the motor and cover the sides of the connection
housing would help to reduce the corrosion problem? Another thought is
now that I am using grease instead of oil there is never a need to pour
oil down the tube. I could maybe insert another lip seal near the top of
the tube and pack the area around the spines with grease. The seal would
help retain the grease around the splines.

Regards

Ian Shepherd SM2000 414 Built 2003

On 17/07/2012 12:12, Richard03801 wrote:

Hi get the bow thruster out is many times difficult due to rust on the
spline inside the motorshaft. Be sure all of the "set screws" are out,
spray the tube with a light penetrating oil, put a hose clamp around
so when it comes loose you can control it, disconnect the cables, with
the unit lowered, push it up by hand and pull it down for all you are
worth it will come out.

Installation the lip seal goes on top flat side down one foam ring one
top a soft one. Two foam rings out side hard one nearest the hull soft
one top. Ea e and grease the spline before installing and oil the
outside of the tube push the unit up and put a hose clamp around the
tube so it does not fall out, turn the shaft/prop to align the spline.
We move the hose clamp down the tube to hold things in place while
installing the retaining screws and cables.

That as good as I can do from here good luck.

Regards SM 209 FOR SALE IN Annapolis.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jul 16, 2012, at 16:38, "sv_crusader" <sv_freespirit@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:sv_freespirit%40yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:

I am having difficulty removing my bow thruster to service it. It
seems well and truly stuck when I try to pull it out of the boat. I
have sprayed the tube/motor housing connection with Corrosion Block
and other products in the hope that it will free up in a few days, but
I suspect the shaft splines may be corroded despite greasing them the
last time it was assembled.

Has anyone discovered a way of freeing up the unit without doing any
damage? The boat is on the hard (at your last haul out spot Bill & Judy).

Ian Shepherd SM2000 414 Crusader Built 2003 Med