Trucking of 53' Mango
ispirit2 <ispirit2@...>
Greetings all, Has anyone moved their boats over land by truck that
would have any hints they think helpful to me to minimise my learning curve and help get my boat to its new home in as good as shape as when it left its old one? De-masting? Special tricks to avoid excessive vibration to internal parts? The trip will be 1100 miles or so. Thank you to one and all for their feedback. S/V Infinite Spirit Hull #31 (Mango)
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Bushing
Willem J. Kroes <w.kroes@...>
Hi Gary,
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The job is done! The bronze unit came out with grooves on it. Probably damage from a fishing line. Two seals came out after a lot of work with a screwdriver (punching through the seal). Your suggestion of a sealdrive pipe worked excellent. We placed two seals in such a way to prevent water coming in and the first seal to block the oil from leaking out. Thanks for your help! Kind Regards, Willem J. Kroes Santorin 69 "Kavanga" home port: Zaandam, The Netherlands
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From: "amelliahona" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Prop Shaft Bushing May 1, 2004
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Anchor wash down pump
dimitriskrassopoulos <dkra@...>
I had the same problem due to a crack in the pump body. Through the
hairline crack the pump was leaking. Amel send me a spare part immediatelly. You can find technical information in the internet at following address: www.feitpompe.com. Regards Dimitris S/M Alma Libre
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Anchor washdown pump
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
I thought that my pump was leaking but it was not. The leak that we
had was caused by the out hose being wound up like a spring when the pump is put into its place and the spring unwound itself unscrewing the plastic spigot on the pump. Sea water then escapes but the source of the leak is not obvious as it is so far out board. After three goes I finally got it right! Regards, John and Anne, Bali Hai, SM 319
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Sail tack and clew lines
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
I think that the advice is rubbish. These are normally secured on
most yachts with shackles. The lines do not seem to deteriorate with UV at least not for a very long time. If they did then we would all be scrapping every line on the boat together with the sails every two years. Most of the lines on my last boat were still good after 10 years in the tropics although the genny sheets were very worn. The thing that does have to be renewed every two years is the bungy which takes up the slack on the topping lifts as it loses its elasticity. One thing you have to watch is that the lines securing the tacks are not too long. About a couple of inches above the bottom of the forestay is about right. If it is much higher the halyard will be jammed up against the sheave box at the mast head when the tension is cranked up to flatten the headsail as the wind strengthens. Regards, Anne and John Bali Hai, SM 319
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Quick water heater
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
Hello Gary, Sorry about the delay, been moving house.
To replace the element or the thermostat you have to get the tank on deck. To do this drain some of the coolant out of the main engine so that when you remove the hoses from the engine to the tank the coolant does not go all over the place. Remove the hoses from the engine keeping your thumb over the end of one and put one end in the tray under the engine and let all the coolant in the hose syphon out before blowing down the hose to really get it all out. Repeat the process with the two hoses connecting to the plumbing manifold putting the cold hose under the engine to drain the tank. Release the two s/s straps securing the tank and move it to a horizontal position so you can get the end cover off to disconnect the wires and then take the tank out on deck or ashore before removing the end plate. This is held on by bolts and there is a plastic seal which has silicone sealant on it so it is quite hard to prise the end plate off using two screwdrivers on opposite sides of the end plate. The plate and the tank are stove enamelled with a glass finish so be careful. Have a helper handy when you open the tank so that both of you can quickly scrape off the scale which is very soft but hardens very quickly as it dries. Some of the scale is out of sight on the heating coil and you really do have to get the tank out of the engine room to empty all the scale/sludge out of it and to work on the end plate etc.. I will post some photos of the fitting in the SM319 Photo album, page 2. Click on the thumb nails to get large scale pics. Unscrewing the nut holding the heating element looks difficult. There is no reset button but strangely there is a housing for a separate therostat although the Quick element has its own stat with no apparent way of bypassing it. Refitting is ,I hope just a matter of reversing the process but I won't know until I get the new anode and seals this week. Good luck with it. Regards, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319
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KIRK for sale
Utilisateur1 <philippe.lebegue@...>
Hello.
I wish to sell my Kirk. It is in good condition: hull, engine, painting, sails, and electronics. It has been used since 1996 two month a year in Greece by me and my family. If you are interested ask for details and photographs to: Philippe.lebegue@wanadoo.fr (0033) (0)321834663
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iso Temp Hot Water Heater
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
Hi Gary,
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as I am away from my boat till May 19th, I cannot tell you what size Isotemp tank Amel fit. If no one can tell us before then, I will let you know once I am back on board. I think that I will re-install my arrangement of valves thant I had on the previous boat to allow the coolant water from the genset to also heat the hot water tank. It was quite a job to make up a manifold for the Onan, but once done, the water is heated far quicker than by the immersion heater element, and it does make good use of otherwise wasted energy. Regards Ian Shepherd Crusader
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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: 05/01/2004 05:58:37 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iso Temp Hot Water Heater May 1, 2004 Hi Ian: Thanks for your post. I recently attended the Sail Expo West in Oakland California, and there researched various hot water heaters. I concluded that the Iso Temp all stainless steel one would be the one I purchase as soon as I get Liahona to Ft. Lauderdale in June. Which size does Amel install as the current equipment; the model 6401 10.5 gallon or the model 6501 13.2 gallon? All of my discussion about the Quick water heater is just to get me operational until I get the replacement. Regards, Gary Silver Liahona Yahoo! Groups Links
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Iso Temp Hot Water Heater
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
May 1, 2004
Hi Ian: Thanks for your post. I recently attended the Sail Expo West in Oakland California, and there researched various hot water heaters. I concluded that the Iso Temp all stainless steel one would be the one I purchase as soon as I get Liahona to Ft. Lauderdale in June. Which size does Amel install as the current equipment; the model 6401 10.5 gallon or the model 6501 13.2 gallon? All of my discussion about the Quick water heater is just to get me operational until I get the replacement. Regards, Gary Silver Liahona
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Water Heater - Quick B45
Ian Shepherd <g4ljf@...>
I have been reading the discussions regarding water tank anode replacement
with some concern as when I took delivery of boat # 414 I was told that there was not an anode in the tank when I tried to order some spares. However, having just made a visit to the yard, I have confirmed that this is correct for the new model of tank now fitted made by Isotemp. It is all stainless steel with a glass lining and so there should be no more red water problem (originating from the copper heating coil disolving when the anode has gone), and no more of that dreadfully messy job of replacing the anode at frequent intervals. I think I had to do it around every six months on the previous boat. I guess that time will tell if the Isotemp tank does indeed live up to expectations, but it might be worthwhile considering upgrading from the Quick to the Isotemp? Just a thought Regards Ian Shepherd 'Crusader'
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Plumbing Fresh Water to Anchor/Deck Washdown system
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
May 1, 2004
The anchor wash down pump on our hull # 335 SM 2000 leaked from day one. Amel rebuilt it under warranty twice (Laurent in Guadeloupe) but it leaked sea water still. Last year Laurent replaced the pump (again under warranty) with the higher voltage rated pump (I think 32 volts). I believe that the theory here was that the high voltage pump would run slower on the available 24-28 volts and therefore be less likely to generate as much pressure and be less likely to leak. Nevertheless, the new pump leaks at the same parting seal despite never having been turned on. I believe now that the surging pressures in the sea chest (called "housing" by Amel) and the associated plumbing may put too much pressure on this style of pump seals. I have wondered about putting an accumulator tank in line here to dampen pressure surges. I would be interested in the experience of others. I have purchased a Graco bronze vane pump with pressure switch. I am anticipating replacing the Amel anchor wash down pump with this one and in the process doing away with the sea water feed. I want to plumb fresh water to this pump and hence to the anchor washdown. I am also anticipating putting a valve and a hose bib in the forward port locker to accomodate a deck wash down system using this newly plumbed fresh water system. Has anybody else out there done this? Any potential drawbacks to this? The only things I have worried about are: 1. The size of the fresh water plumbing coming from the fresh water tank, is it too small? Will the vane pump cavitate or not hold prime? 2. The pressure rating on the plastic tubing that runs from the anchor washdown pump to the bow of the boat. I don't want to blow a hole in this tubing. Any thoughts on either of these two items. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Gary Silver Liahona Amel SM 2000 Hull # 335
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Prop Shaft Bushing
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
May 1, 2004
Hi Willem: As regards the orientation of the three seals on the Amel prop shaft bushing and seals, I am now uncertain how I oriented them. I do remember that the drawing that Amel included with the manuals and other documentation showed them oriented differently than how I found them when I removed them on my boat. I believe that we decided it was more important to keep the sea water out than to keep the oil in so I think that we placed the inner two facing out and the outer one facing in, (but again I can't remember for sure). I know we had a discussion with the technician helping me, but he was not an Amel person. It might be worth an Email to Amel to get their official take on this (including the reasoning for their stance). I will tell you that wherever the oil got on the bottom paint it later peeled off in large sheets. I used aluminum foil to create a scupper to drain the oil. Nevertheless some of the oil got around the scupper and ran down onto the structures below. I will be much more careful in the future to tape a larger aluminum foil scupper in place below the drain plug to prevent any residual oil from getting on the bottom paint. Hope this helps, Gary Silver Liahona
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Magica Rust Remover
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
May 1, 2004
Hi Everyone: I have discovered a wonderful rust remover like nothing I have used before. I had previously tried several others from various sources including West Marine, all with marginal to no results. I bought a small tube of a product call "MAGICA RUST REMOVER" at a chandlery in St. Martin. When the head sail for my Amel SM was sewn, a simple staple was laminated between two plies of the tack area material. This single staple, over two years, rusted creating a 6 inch diameter horrible rust spot in the tack of the sail. I applied some of the Magica to this spot and stood back fully expecting it not to work. However, over a period of about 10 minutes I just watched it disappear. IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE. No damage to the sail, no residue, etc. I flushed the area with copious amounts of fresh water, then started using the stuff on all the other rust spots on my boat. We had numerous small flecks of rust in our gel coat where hot ash fell on the boat from industrial plants in La Corunia Spain. I had tried virtually everything I could think of on these to no avail. You guessed it, the Magica took it off first time every time. This stuff worked so well I had to believe that it would cause some sort of lasting damage. None apparent so far. I even contacted the company and was reassured that I should not expect any damage. I bought a bunch more for future use. You can buy it online at www.magicarustremover.com . Make sure you type MAGICA with an "A" on the end. When I first tried to google this name I typed magicrustremover without success. Try it, you will be impressed. Regards, Gary Silver Amle SM 2000 Hull # 335 Currently in Providenciales, TCI (Turks and Caicos Islands)
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Re: Annual Haul Out
Willem J. Kroes <w.kroes@...>
Hi Gary,
Your description of replacing the seals from the prop shaft bushing is very clear. Thank you very much! One question remains: how to place the seals. Do I have to place 2 seals in such a manner that these prevent water coming in and the third seal turned so it will prevent oil leaking out? Regards, Willem J. Kroes Santorin 69 "Kavanga" ---- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, amelliahona <no_reply@y...> wrote: Jan 24, 2004owner although I am a FAA certified aircraft mechanic and am used togood shape but because I wasn't sure how long to expect it to stay thatscrub periodically). In checking with multiple sources the concensis wasdiscussions with various yards in the Caribbean. It took 5 gallons to put 218 inches (This is reportedly what the Moorings boats do). The paintwas scuff sand the existing paint to provide tooth adhesion and put theI replaced them. Joel tells me that they may go in a few months orabout 400 hrs on the engine. There was no evidence of oil leakage at theare a different size than depicted on the plain drain plug drawing.The chandlery in Nanny Cay had the correct size "O" ring. I don't knowon the bushing were supplied on mine spare from Amel. Exactly 8.5syringe to get all that I could out of the bottom of the drive as describedwas afraid this might damage the prop shaft. The new seals slid in andboat and post the dimensions because the size must be quite exact to fitits most aft portion is flush with the drive housing. Then all theother stuff (cutter and spacers, prop etc) were re-assembled and thedrive was filled with 8.5 liters of 15/40 Diesel Engine Oil. I usedgood tight tapered shaft and Woodruff key.and promptly installed it. Upon disassembly of the original pump Ifound the pump housing, bronze impeller and motor shaft all pristine. Amotor shaft. I have tried un-successfully to find stainless steel orstainless steel. Seems odd though that they would put a mild steel key in aOnan dealer here in the US.I didn't price them from Amel because the one I originally boughtfrom Amel was the incorrect size. I only discovered that after themessy job of opening the water heater.use to soak and scrub the various parts in some mineral spirits, a softthe grease with. All of our winches were in great shape after 1.5years, including a trans-atlantic. Lewmar says they should be overhauled3 times per season. If you did that with 11 winches you would spendIt is fairly straight forward (just remember for sure how you tookthem apart). The only winches that showed any signs of distress wereout there that could give details of the process it would be greatlyanyone bestadvise on basic bottom paint stuff? Idone, not what the local guy thinks!the missing anything important?
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Sail Tack & Clew Securing Lines
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
In discussions with Joel yesterday he revealed to me something that
I hadn't previously known that I would like to share. I inquired about his recommendation for replacement intervals for the topping lift lines and the clew and tack securing lines. He indicated that he thought the topping lift lines (those for the two booms) should be replaced every couple of years. This especially made sense to me when the boat is located in the Caribbean where the UV damage to lines is high. As for the tack and clew securing lines he indicated that they should be replaced with similar strength line since they are selected from a material that should fail before something else breaks. He indicated that Amel supplied some of this extra line to owners when they took delivery. I did not receive any and I was wondering if other owners did? It is not a big deal and I can certainly order some from Amel (or at least find out the breaking tensil strength specification from Amel), but inquiring minds want to know. If this is a fail safe item it would also be important to know how many turns of line Amel considers appropriate for each of the tacks and clews. If you know the answers to these questions please post them. Sincerely, Gary Silver s/v Liahona Hull #335 Providenciales, Turks & Caicos Islands
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Amel Water Heater - Quick B45
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
I received another fax from Amel again stating that the electric
heating element is 600 watts. This despite the fact that I faxed them the parts list from Quick showing that there IS NOT a 600 watt element for this unit. I plan on calling them again on this but it seems that confusion continues on this point. John, I would really like to get your take on the replacement procedure for the electric heating element. Thanks, Gary Silver
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Quick B45 Water Heater Anodes & Heating Element
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
April 25, 2004 21:47 MST
Dear John: Thank you for your reply and the information. I am guessing that M. Selo's response, that it was a 600 watt element, was just a typographical error. I had the same problem with the anode supplied to me by Amel when I took delivery. The anode they supplied was too small, had the incorrect diameter mounting screw and just plain wouldn't work. I ordered two of the correct anodes from West Marine, who got them through Plastimo USA, who got them from QUICK. It took 9 weeks as I recall. The QUICK part number is MMANMG450000. Quick or Plastimo would not drop ship the item so after a backorder of 5 weeks it had to be shipped to each individual vendor. Maddening. The price was about $50.00 US each. The anodes I received are indeed about 10 inches long, about 1/2 inch in diameter and had what I believe is a M10 bolt protruding about 1/2 inch from the end. This bolt by the way is about 4 & 1/2 inches long and goes quite a distance into the anode. When I did open the tank the original anode was completely gone (as in eroded completely through) at the level of the threaded screw end, (i.e. about 4 inches up from the end that screws into the tank lid). A large segment of the anode was still intact but of no use since it was sitting in the tank not attached to anything. I backed out the threaded portion with Vice Grips and inserted the new one without difficulty. Re-installing the tank lid was a real problem. Trying to align the eight loose bolts in their slots and engage the tank lid at the same time was atrocious. Bad design in my view. It might work just fine with the tank in an upright position but in the angled position in the engine room it was almost impossible. I plan on using "O" rings and a thin nut to hold the eight bolts in place in the future. There is a gap between the tank rim and the tank lid that I believe will accommodate this approach. I am half hoping that all that is wrong with my electric element is that I did not push the "reset button" on the thermostat. I don't recall being made aware of this button during the owner school and the only piece of literature I had aboard was the data sheet and it didn't mention it. I only learned about it after I was off the boat and by downloading the QUICK User's Manual from the following www.quickitaly.com web site (also includes the parts list). Nevertheless I plan on getting an element to install if the button reset doesn't work. If it wouldn't be too much trouble to re-submit the details of the procedure you used for replacing the electric element I know I would find it useful and perhaps so would others on this web site. I take it that the thermostat is a separate piece that somehow attaches to the electric element. It isn't clear to me if the element screws out with the oversized nut (about 3 inches across). Your experience would be appreciated. I believe that the engine heat exchanger doesn't work until the engine thermostat opens up and when in the marina trying to heat water with the engine took some time since I couldn't put the engine under load very well. Lastly, did you have some other difficulties with you unit other than the anode? Again thanks for your thoughts. Sincerely Gary Silver s/v Liahona Hull # 335
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Hot water heater.
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
Hi Gary,
The element is 500 watts. To replace it you will need a new plastic seal and an anode.I know because my cylinder is sitting in my cockpit awaiting spares from Quick through their local agency in Malta who are anything but quick. I suggest you get two lots of anodes and seals!!! This is my second attempt to reply, the first one gave detailed instructions on how to do it but got lost as I failed to do the reply properly on this system. If you are going to do it yourself let me know and I will draft a new set of hints. The most important thing to remember is that when you or a tech finally gets the thing open, it is essential to work fast at descaling as the scale is like butter at first and soon like concrete. One or other part will be descaled first and the other should be kept wet until dealt with. Oh,by the way, the anode is a rod about 10 inches long with a female thread in one end and bears no resemblance to the ones that M.Selo sent me. Good luck, John Bali Hai, SM319
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Hot Water Heater Electric Element Question
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Hello All:
I have the Amel installed Quick brand B45 (45 liter) hot water heater on our hull # 335 Amel SM 2000. I have been corresponding unsuccesfully with Amel for 2 weeks trying to determine the size (wattage) of the electric heating element. I am not currently on the boat yet I need to order the proper wattage element. The data sheet for the water heater, that was included with all the other equipment manuals, shows it to be a 1200 watt element, but the electric load table in the Amel owners manual shows 500 watts. M. Selo emailed me that they are 600 watts, yet the Quick parts manual supplied to me by Plastimo USA shows there is not a 600 watt element (only 500 watt and 1200 watt). I phoned and faxed all this to Amel but have had no response yet. If I fit a 1200 watt element and the circuit breaker is sized only for 500 watts then it will pop the breaker. If I fit a 500 watt element when the 1200 watt is appropriate, the water will be slow to heat. Is anybody on their boat currently that has this same water heater and could verify on the element itself what wattage it is? According to Quick the data plate on the water heater should read as follows: "B xx yy z" , where xx equals the size in liters (45 in this case), yy equals the wattage of the electric element (00= none, 05 = 500 watts, 12 = 1200 watts) , and z equals S indicating that a heat exchanger is present. Optionally could anyone at least tell me what amperage the water heater circuit breaker is? I believe there is a small data plate on the end of the brown thermostat housing on the water heater that might reveal the proper wattage. Or could someone use a clamp style amp meter to measure the AC amps that their water heater draws while using 220 volt AC. Thanks for any help. Gary Silver, s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 The boat is currently in Providenciales (aka Provo), TCI (Turks and Caicos Islands)
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Re: Bowthruster 2nd part
John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>
I am glad to see that you have resolved your problem. However as a
general comment it is possible to get a motor rewound thus bringing back to its original performance at a fraction of the cost of a new motor.There are specialist companies to do this in most large towns and harbours around the world. Although it is a bit late you might consider getting the old motor rewound to have as a spare. Many technicians will not tell you this but are not slow in keeping the burnt out motor or alternater so they can get it rewound etc to sell it on. Having owned an Oyster ketch without a bow thruster I often called up the marina in advance and asked them to provide a marinero in a dinghy to act as a bow thruster and get me into the berth safely. On the rare occasions when I had spare crew I put one member in the dinghy to see me in. Similarly I have used my dinghy to help others into their berths. It can be done by pushing the bow but the professionals seem to prefer lashing their dinghy alongside and using forward or astern to help you get in safely. Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai SM319 amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "dimitriskrassopoulos" <dkra@a...> wrote: Dear All.advise you of my experience with that.five times without problem 3hours after the incident the next day ofthe incident and 3days after the incident with an electrician while wewas able by coincidence to moor the boat without the thruster. Ibow in its moorafter 3 attempts. The boot is completly unmanouvarblewith the great distance between the prop wash and the rudder make itthe boot in the moor.the same day of our arrival in Kalamaki. It took 3hours to remove thehelp of another sailor. I put immediattely the boat correctly in itsmoor. in La Rochelle and to warn everybody that if the thruster has aproblem it is better not to approach a harbor that you know that is tight
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