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Re: [Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Bill,

Thanks for all the info.

I still do not understand why this capacitor has 4 leads, can it be replaced
with one with two leads and how is it wired?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:05 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump





Eric,

I bought a capacitor in Malaysia at a hardware store for about $4USD.

In the US find an electronics parts store. Bring the specs to them, if they
do not have it, they will order it. Probably about $10.

You could also find a capacitor at a water-well and pump store. A 220v pool
pump probably has about the same capacitor.

The one I bought in Malaysia was not an exact fit, but had the correct specs
and works fine. Buy 2 of them.

Or go to:
Coastal Climate Control, Inc.
PO Box 4535
Annapolis, MD 21403
(301) 352.5738 (ph)
(301) 352.5739 (fax)
www.coastalclimatecontrol.com
info@... <mailto:info%40coastalclimatecontrol.com>

They will have one for about $50. Any/all of them will work. A/C people love
to sell $5 capacitors for $50.

You can get the pump to work without a capacitor. The capacitor only helps
get the motor turning. It takes some coordination. With a screwdriver spin
the shaft of the pump at the same moment that the A/C is switched ON. It
will reach its proper RMP and you are fine until you lose power or turn it
off. If you are really, really hot, I suggest doing this until you can find
a capacitor.

I believe your description of the black tubes describes the anti-siphon
plumbing for the toilet saltwater pumps. Salt crystals do accumulate where
the small ones join the larger one. To test my thoughts, have someone fill
the toilet while you are in the engine room observing. BTW, this is the
reason that the sump pump will sometimes start a pumping cycle when the
toilet is flushed...the saltwater draining into the sump is just enough to
raise the water level which will trigger the micro switch.

Salt buildup is an indication of a leak and likely a small one. I had salt
buildup at the A/C pump hose output connection, until I changed the
"one-way" valve, hose and clamps.

The A/C pump should be part of the bonding system. On BeBe, the same y/g
bonding wire that connects to the fresh water pump is also stripped about
1.5 inches and clamped to the A/C pump on the "one-way" valve. Check the
wire to the fresh water pump and see if there is a portion about 1.5" that
is stripped. It is likely that the clamp fell off.

Hope this helps,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey

Do you notice a lot of salt buildup at the pump hose output connection.



I also notice the same kind of salt buildup ( green) where the return
lines
enter a larger pipe on the upper starboard side forward bulkhead in the
engine room I do not know what they are for about 3 or 4 black small metal
pipes draining into an empty black metal pipe

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



I still do not get why there are 4 poles.





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From: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill
aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump





Eric,

See the photo at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/584
56993/view?picmode=
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/58
456993/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>
&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Some capacitors have twin connection poles on each side which allows a
parallel connection.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailormon <kimberlite@>
wrote:





Does anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly
2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite














Re: [Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Richard <richard03801@...>
 

We replaced the large pump Amel supplied with a much smaller is size same capacity pump from Budget Marine in St Marrtin part no: MCH 125 075-03 that has water cooled bearing 230volts 50/60 cycle. approx $310 US no more motor issues.
SM209 For SALE

Regards
Richard Piller
1-603-767-5330

On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:07, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Eric,

See the photo at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/58456993/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Some capacitors have twin connection poles on each side which allows a parallel connection.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:





Does anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly 2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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Re: Unfurling sails without electricity?

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dear No Name Posted (--),

Absolutely, they can be unfurled and it is fairly simple to furl them as well.

Are you an Amel owner?

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Look@..." <look@...> wrote:

Is it simple to unfurl the sails without the built in electric motors it
there was a failure of all motors on the main,mizzen and jib?

Thank you

--
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www.iPadRing.net

The designer and maker of the original eBook & iPad Ring
The perfect stand for eReaders, iPads, iPhones, tablet computers and other electronic devices.

Patent Pending


Unfurling sails without electricity?

Look@iPadRing.net <look@...>
 

Is it simple to unfurl the sails without the built in electric motors it
there was a failure of all motors on the main,mizzen and jib?

Thank you

--
www.eBookRing.net

www.iPadRing.net

The designer and maker of the original eBook & iPad Ring
The perfect stand for eReaders, iPads, iPhones, tablet computers and other electronic devices.

Patent Pending


Re: Sharki Aft Cabin Bulkhead

ottomartin6000 <otto@...>
 

Hello
yes, we had some years ago the same problem with ou Sharki (1987). the water came down from the deck of ship where the mizzen mast is put on. 0ur plywood became dark and soft, starting at a small point and after 2 years it was clear that something unnormal was going on.
It seems that the pressure of the mizzen mast are leading to capillary cracks of the gelcoat deck.

Kind regards Otto

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "fishtong1" <mpsusman@...> wrote:


Hi Sharki owners,

I recently decided to tackle the removal and replacement of the aft
cabin bulkhead which was rotten. This is the one which borders the
engine room and would be the headboard of the aft cabin bunk. I am sure
that at some stage the mizzen mast or there abouts must have been
leaking water into the plywood bulkhead. I am assuming that it was
repaired at some stage because the plywood was soft and crumbly, in some
places even dust like. but COMPLETELY DRY with no sign of dampness or
moisture, even when I threw a bucket of water on the deck above. Has
any other Sharki owner had a similar experience with their yacht? Ours
is 28years old, so not a new yacht.

All the best

Fishtong1


[Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

I bought a capacitor in Malaysia at a hardware store for about $4USD.

In the US find an electronics parts store. Bring the specs to them, if they do not have it, they will order it. Probably about $10.

You could also find a capacitor at a water-well and pump store. A 220v pool pump probably has about the same capacitor.

The one I bought in Malaysia was not an exact fit, but had the correct specs and works fine. Buy 2 of them.

Or go to:
Coastal Climate Control, Inc.
PO Box 4535
Annapolis, MD 21403
(301) 352.5738 (ph)
(301) 352.5739 (fax)
www.coastalclimatecontrol.com
info@...

They will have one for about $50. Any/all of them will work. A/C people love to sell $5 capacitors for $50.

You can get the pump to work without a capacitor. The capacitor only helps get the motor turning. It takes some coordination. With a screwdriver spin the shaft of the pump at the same moment that the A/C is switched ON. It will reach its proper RMP and you are fine until you lose power or turn it off. If you are really, really hot, I suggest doing this until you can find a capacitor.

I believe your description of the black tubes describes the anti-siphon plumbing for the toilet saltwater pumps. Salt crystals do accumulate where the small ones join the larger one. To test my thoughts, have someone fill the toilet while you are in the engine room observing. BTW, this is the reason that the sump pump will sometimes start a pumping cycle when the toilet is flushed...the saltwater draining into the sump is just enough to raise the water level which will trigger the micro switch.

Salt buildup is an indication of a leak and likely a small one. I had salt buildup at the A/C pump hose output connection, until I changed the "one-way" valve, hose and clamps.

The A/C pump should be part of the bonding system. On BeBe, the same y/g bonding wire that connects to the fresh water pump is also stripped about 1.5 inches and clamped to the A/C pump on the "one-way" valve. Check the wire to the fresh water pump and see if there is a portion about 1.5" that is stripped. It is likely that the clamp fell off.

Hope this helps,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey

Do you notice a lot of salt buildup at the pump hose output connection.



I also notice the same kind of salt buildup ( green) where the return lines
enter a larger pipe on the upper starboard side forward bulkhead in the
engine room I do not know what they are for about 3 or 4 black small metal
pipes draining into an empty black metal pipe

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



I still do not get why there are 4 poles.





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump





Eric,

See the photo at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/584
56993/view?picmode=
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/58
456993/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>
&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Some capacitors have twin connection poles on each side which allows a
parallel connection.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailormon <kimberlite@>
wrote:





Does anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly 2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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Re: [Amel] MARAMU Awning with rain catchment function

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Andy, On my last boat Anne made an awning with built in side curtains. On one side near the water filler cap she made canvas gutters by folding strips of canvas and stitching them on to the side curtain in a very wide V formation with the ends at the top and a through hull fitting at the base of the V.When it rained we connected it to the filler with a hose and were amazed by its efficiency in thee Caribbean and South Pacific.

Hope this helps, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM 319


From: Andy
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] MARAMU Awning with rain catchment function


we're looking at fabricating 3 awnings for our Maraumu, as solar protection at anchor / mooring, with an additional rain catchment function. we have a bimini over the cockpit, so are looking at an awning over the aft and forward coach roofs ( 2 separate awnings).

Maramu owners, have you fabricated similar awnings ??

Do you care to share ? with advice from your experiences ?

Thanks in advance for your feedback

Andy





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Re: [Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Bill,

Where did you get the capacitor?



Also is your pump connected to the green/yellow bonding.

Do you notice a lot of salt buildup at the pump hose output connection.



I also notice the same kind of salt buildup ( green) where the return lines
enter a larger pipe on the upper starboard side forward bulkhead in the
engine room I do not know what they are for about 3 or 4 black small metal
pipes draining into an empty black metal pipe

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



I still do not get why there are 4 poles.





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump





Eric,

See the photo at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/584
56993/view?picmode=
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/58
456993/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>
&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Some capacitors have twin connection poles on each side which allows a
parallel connection.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
wrote:






Does anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly 2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite









Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

See the photo at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/58456993/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Some capacitors have twin connection poles on each side which allows a parallel connection.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:





Does anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly 2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


MARAMU Awning with rain catchment function

Andy Croney
 

we're looking at fabricating 3 awnings for our Maraumu, as solar protection at anchor / mooring, with an additional rain catchment function. we have a bimini over the cockpit, so are looking at an awning over the aft and forward coach roofs ( 2 separate awnings).

Maramu owners, have you fabricated similar awnings ??

Do you care to share ? with advice from your experiences ?

Thanks in advance for your feedback

Andy


Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Does anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly 2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Dies anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly 2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


Re: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54. Main boom outhaul drive shaft

Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

PS

I reduced it only where it sticks near the keyway.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Sailormon
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54. Main boom outhaul
drive shaft





Hi,

I took a dremel tool with a sanding disk attached and reduced the diameter
of the shaft a few thousands and opened up the slot slightly. I also use a
metallic based ant seize compound from McMaster car revert 6 months. It
slips in and out with no problem.

From McMaster catalog.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

Stainless Steel

Bostik Never-Seez (-297° to +2200° F)

8-oz. Brush-Top Can

Silver

12

<http://www.mcmaster.com/#1820K1> 1820K1

18.89

16.96

1-lb. Brush-Top Can

Silver

12

<http://www.mcmaster.com/#1820K3> 1820K3

32.72

29.08

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From: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Anne and John
Hollamby
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54. Main boom outhaul
drive shaft

Hi Eric, I see you have reverted to your sailormon alias again.
I have followed the advice given a couple of years ago and so I remove this
shaft every six months or so, clean and regrease it and refit so that it
does not get frozen in place. I suspect the problem is caused by sea water
getting at it and salt crystallizing between he shaft and gearbox.Perhaps
the problem could be solved by reducing the diameter of the bottom of the
shaft by a couple of thou. But it is easier just to remove it as suggested.
I also put a lot of grease at the top of the gearbox when the shaft is in
place and suspect that closing the opening to seawater with duct tape would
make sense.

Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Syracusa

From: Sailormon
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

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From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sailormon
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:19 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

I posted some photos of removing the furling shaft from the gearbox.

I simply removed the boom .

Supported it on wood blocks, turned the boom upside down . added penetrating
oil for 2 days , and then went at it with a big sledge hammer and a grade
10
bolt inserted into the shaft. It took some hammering but it came out without
any damage.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne
SIMMS
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 5:44 PM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

Hi Martin, assuming the gearboxs are the same as the SM. Both gearboxes are
identical. The centre shaft on each is often a problem to remove but
certainly not in for life. there are various posts on the site as to removal
methods. I tried the big hammer and big puller on the outhaul with bad
results.. Heat from a gas torch applied to the tight area worked well. I had
dismatled as much of the box as possible before to expose the area and so
the torch did not damage any of the housing. a little heat and it just fell
out with a tap. Had to be done on the boat as it passes through the boom.
Also the outhaul through shaft is steel. The furler alloy of some sort.
Whoever applies the heat needs to know this. You have the advantage that you
can take the furler off the boat to go to an engineering shop where they
have skills, heat and presses to do what for them will be a quick and simple
job. I now regularly withdraw the shafts (an easy job in place) and grease
them so it won't happen again.
I also posted methods to add grease nipples to all the sail gearboxs to
allow refreshing of the grease.
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
currently Ha'apai Tonga

From: Martin <mailto:yachtcaduceus%40yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:yachtcaduceus%40yahoo.co.uk>
<mailto:yachtcaduceus%40yahoo.co.uk>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 1:03 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

Thank you again.

I think that we may be talking about different gearboxes. My problem is not
in the motor assembly itself but in the assembly that links the motor to the
mast foil and also contains the manual drive. It is the main shaft running
through this assembly (gearbox) that has the problem, the upper bearng
appears to have disintegrated which causes the shaft to bind and also
therefore prevents manual operation as that rotates the same shaft through a
bevel gear.

I have removed the manual drive with its gear attached. This gives access to
the bevel gear. I have washed the whole thing out to remove old grease and
debris, none found, but cannot see how the remainder comes apart. Is this
another of Amel's assembled for life?

Regards,
Martin
Caduceus
Amel 54 #56

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV
BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Martin,

Leroy Somer makes both the main furling and the outhaul gearboxs on Super
Maramus...AND, it is my understanding that on BeBe, SM #387, the gearboxes
are identical.

Also, you can disconnect the gearbox and use the manual furler until you
have a new gearbox. Procedure for this is in my Amel Super Maramu Manual.
Let me know if you want me to email the pages to you.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <yachtcaduceus@>
wrote:

Thank you for this advice.. The reference however is for the outhaul
gearbox. The gearbox that has failed is the one inside the mast attached to
the luff spar inside the mast.

I note however the reference to it taking 4 weeks from AMEL. Fortuantely
we have 2 masts! so can at least set some sail in the interim not that it
matters much in Maine at the moment as there is an almost complete absence
of wind.

I am loth to start attacking the gearbox with pullers without some
knowledge of which part comes away from which.

Regards,
Martin

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@> wrote:

Martin,

This may help...see message 11436, which reads, in part:
The gearbox is available. Pricing is $521 ea. FCA Charleston, SC and
delivery time is about 8 weeks.

The product would be available from the factory in France in 4 weeks
if you wanted to air freight the item. It normally costs about $3.50 per kg.

If you want to proceed with an order, I can put you in touch with
one of our distributors.

Best regards,

Justin T. McMahon | Sales & Marketing Manager

Leroy Somer Power & Drives - NA
8100 W. Florissant Ave. | St. Louis MO 63136 | USA
T 314.553.2380 | F 314.553.3403

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Selimye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Martin"
<yachtcaduceus@> wrote:

It appears that ou mainsail furler gearbox has a major problem under
mtor it makes noises as of a collapsed bearing and is more or less seized
and very difficult to turn using a winch handle. I have removed it from the
mast but am having difficulty breaking into it. Can anyone offer advice
please. It may be that I will require a replacement from Amel but would like
to see what exactly has gone wrong in the gearbox. I have the earlier
mainsail furler where the motor projects from the mast, similar to the
SM2000.

Regards,
Martin Bevan
Caduceus
Amel 54 #56
Maine, USA
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Re: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54. Main boom outhaul drive shaft

Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi,

I took a dremel tool with a sanding disk attached and reduced the diameter
of the shaft a few thousands and opened up the slot slightly. I also use a
metallic based ant seize compound from McMaster car revert 6 months. It
slips in and out with no problem.

From McMaster catalog.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite




Stainless Steel


Bostik Never-Seez (-297° to +2200° F)


8-oz. Brush-Top Can

Silver

12

<http://www.mcmaster.com/#1820K1> 1820K1

18.89

16.96


1-lb. Brush-Top Can

Silver

12

<http://www.mcmaster.com/#1820K3> 1820K3

32.72

29.08





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Anne and John Hollamby
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:07 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54. Main boom outhaul
drive shaft





Hi Eric, I see you have reverted to your sailormon alias again.
I have followed the advice given a couple of years ago and so I remove this
shaft every six months or so, clean and regrease it and refit so that it
does not get frozen in place. I suspect the problem is caused by sea water
getting at it and salt crystallizing between he shaft and gearbox.Perhaps
the problem could be solved by reducing the diameter of the bottom of the
shaft by a couple of thou. But it is easier just to remove it as suggested.
I also put a lot of grease at the top of the gearbox when the shaft is in
place and suspect that closing the opening to seawater with duct tape would
make sense.

Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Syracusa

From: Sailormon
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

_____

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sailormon
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:19 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

I posted some photos of removing the furling shaft from the gearbox.

I simply removed the boom .

Supported it on wood blocks, turned the boom upside down . added penetrating
oil for 2 days , and then went at it with a big sledge hammer and a grade
10
bolt inserted into the shaft. It took some hammering but it came out without
any damage.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne
SIMMS
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 5:44 PM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

Hi Martin, assuming the gearboxs are the same as the SM. Both gearboxes are
identical. The centre shaft on each is often a problem to remove but
certainly not in for life. there are various posts on the site as to removal
methods. I tried the big hammer and big puller on the outhaul with bad
results.. Heat from a gas torch applied to the tight area worked well. I had
dismatled as much of the box as possible before to expose the area and so
the torch did not damage any of the housing. a little heat and it just fell
out with a tap. Had to be done on the boat as it passes through the boom.
Also the outhaul through shaft is steel. The furler alloy of some sort.
Whoever applies the heat needs to know this. You have the advantage that you
can take the furler off the boat to go to an engineering shop where they
have skills, heat and presses to do what for them will be a quick and simple
job. I now regularly withdraw the shafts (an easy job in place) and grease
them so it won't happen again.
I also posted methods to add grease nipples to all the sail gearboxs to
allow refreshing of the grease.
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
currently Ha'apai Tonga

From: Martin <mailto:yachtcaduceus%40yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:yachtcaduceus%40yahoo.co.uk>
<mailto:yachtcaduceus%40yahoo.co.uk>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 1:03 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

Thank you again.

I think that we may be talking about different gearboxes. My problem is not
in the motor assembly itself but in the assembly that links the motor to the
mast foil and also contains the manual drive. It is the main shaft running
through this assembly (gearbox) that has the problem, the upper bearng
appears to have disintegrated which causes the shaft to bind and also
therefore prevents manual operation as that rotates the same shaft through a
bevel gear.

I have removed the manual drive with its gear attached. This gives access to
the bevel gear. I have washed the whole thing out to remove old grease and
debris, none found, but cannot see how the remainder comes apart. Is this
another of Amel's assembled for life?

Regards,
Martin
Caduceus
Amel 54 #56

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV
BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Martin,

Leroy Somer makes both the main furling and the outhaul gearboxs on Super
Maramus...AND, it is my understanding that on BeBe, SM #387, the gearboxes
are identical.

Also, you can disconnect the gearbox and use the manual furler until you
have a new gearbox. Procedure for this is in my Amel Super Maramu Manual.
Let me know if you want me to email the pages to you.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <yachtcaduceus@>
wrote:

Thank you for this advice.. The reference however is for the outhaul
gearbox. The gearbox that has failed is the one inside the mast attached to
the luff spar inside the mast.

I note however the reference to it taking 4 weeks from AMEL. Fortuantely
we have 2 masts! so can at least set some sail in the interim not that it
matters much in Maine at the moment as there is an almost complete absence
of wind.

I am loth to start attacking the gearbox with pullers without some
knowledge of which part comes away from which.

Regards,
Martin

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@> wrote:

Martin,

This may help...see message 11436, which reads, in part:
The gearbox is available. Pricing is $521 ea. FCA Charleston, SC and
delivery time is about 8 weeks.

The product would be available from the factory in France in 4 weeks
if you wanted to air freight the item. It normally costs about $3.50 per kg.

If you want to proceed with an order, I can put you in touch with
one of our distributors.

Best regards,

Justin T. McMahon | Sales & Marketing Manager

Leroy Somer Power & Drives - NA
8100 W. Florissant Ave. | St. Louis MO 63136 | USA
T 314.553.2380 | F 314.553.3403

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Selimye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Martin"
<yachtcaduceus@> wrote:

It appears that ou mainsail furler gearbox has a major problem under
mtor it makes noises as of a collapsed bearing and is more or less seized
and very difficult to turn using a winch handle. I have removed it from the
mast but am having difficulty breaking into it. Can anyone offer advice
please. It may be that I will require a replacement from Amel but would like
to see what exactly has gone wrong in the gearbox. I have the earlier
mainsail furler where the motor projects from the mast, similar to the
SM2000.

Regards,
Martin Bevan
Caduceus
Amel 54 #56
Maine, USA


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Re: [Amel] Super Maramu with cast iron keel?

leonorebt@earthlink.net <leonorebt@...>
 

Hello Earl,
Both wrong. It is really cast steel and tough.

Regards, Bill Rahmig

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To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Super Maramu with cast iron keel?


I was viewing a Super Maramu (for sale) which the owner said the keel
was a wing keel made of cast iron.

I thought the Maramu's were all lead?



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Re: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54. Main boom outhaul drive shaft

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hi Eric, I see you have reverted to your sailormon alias again.
I have followed the advice given a couple of years ago and so I remove this shaft every six months or so, clean and regrease it and refit so that it does not get frozen in place. I suspect the problem is caused by sea water getting at it and salt crystallizing between he shaft and gearbox.Perhaps the problem could be solved by reducing the diameter of the bottom of the shaft by a couple of thou. But it is easier just to remove it as suggested. I also put a lot of grease at the top of the gearbox when the shaft is in place and suspect that closing the opening to seawater with duct tape would make sense.

Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319, Syracusa



From: Sailormon
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54




_____

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sailormon
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:19 AM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

I posted some photos of removing the furling shaft from the gearbox.

I simply removed the boom .

Supported it on wood blocks, turned the boom upside down . added penetrating
oil for 2 days , and then went at it with a big sledge hammer and a grade
10
bolt inserted into the shaft. It took some hammering but it came out without
any damage.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

_____

From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne
SIMMS
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 5:44 PM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

Hi Martin, assuming the gearboxs are the same as the SM. Both gearboxes are
identical. The centre shaft on each is often a problem to remove but
certainly not in for life. there are various posts on the site as to removal
methods. I tried the big hammer and big puller on the outhaul with bad
results.. Heat from a gas torch applied to the tight area worked well. I had
dismatled as much of the box as possible before to expose the area and so
the torch did not damage any of the housing. a little heat and it just fell
out with a tap. Had to be done on the boat as it passes through the boom.
Also the outhaul through shaft is steel. The furler alloy of some sort.
Whoever applies the heat needs to know this. You have the advantage that you
can take the furler off the boat to go to an engineering shop where they
have skills, heat and presses to do what for them will be a quick and simple
job. I now regularly withdraw the shafts (an easy job in place) and grease
them so it won't happen again.
I also posted methods to add grease nipples to all the sail gearboxs to
allow refreshing of the grease.
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
currently Ha'apai Tonga

From: Martin <mailto:yachtcaduceus%40yahoo.co.uk <mailto:yachtcaduceus%40yahoo.co.uk>
<mailto:yachtcaduceus%40yahoo.co.uk>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2012 1:03 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Mainsail furler gearbox - Amel 54

Thank you again.

I think that we may be talking about different gearboxes. My problem is not
in the motor assembly itself but in the assembly that links the motor to the
mast foil and also contains the manual drive. It is the main shaft running
through this assembly (gearbox) that has the problem, the upper bearng
appears to have disintegrated which causes the shaft to bind and also
therefore prevents manual operation as that rotates the same shaft through a
bevel gear.

I have removed the manual drive with its gear attached. This gives access to
the bevel gear. I have washed the whole thing out to remove old grease and
debris, none found, but cannot see how the remainder comes apart. Is this
another of Amel's assembled for life?

Regards,
Martin
Caduceus
Amel 54 #56

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV
BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Martin,

Leroy Somer makes both the main furling and the outhaul gearboxs on Super
Maramus...AND, it is my understanding that on BeBe, SM #387, the gearboxes
are identical.

Also, you can disconnect the gearbox and use the manual furler until you
have a new gearbox. Procedure for this is in my Amel Super Maramu Manual.
Let me know if you want me to email the pages to you.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <yachtcaduceus@>
wrote:

Thank you for this advice.. The reference however is for the outhaul
gearbox. The gearbox that has failed is the one inside the mast attached to
the luff spar inside the mast.

I note however the reference to it taking 4 weeks from AMEL. Fortuantely
we have 2 masts! so can at least set some sail in the interim not that it
matters much in Maine at the moment as there is an almost complete absence
of wind.

I am loth to start attacking the gearbox with pullers without some
knowledge of which part comes away from which.

Regards,
Martin

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard
SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@> wrote:

Martin,

This may help...see message 11436, which reads, in part:
The gearbox is available. Pricing is $521 ea. FCA Charleston, SC and
delivery time is about 8 weeks.

The product would be available from the factory in France in 4 weeks
if you wanted to air freight the item. It normally costs about $3.50 per kg.

If you want to proceed with an order, I can put you in touch with
one of our distributors.

Best regards,

Justin T. McMahon | Sales & Marketing Manager

Leroy Somer Power & Drives - NA
8100 W. Florissant Ave. | St. Louis MO 63136 | USA
T 314.553.2380 | F 314.553.3403

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Selimye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Martin"
<yachtcaduceus@> wrote:

It appears that ou mainsail furler gearbox has a major problem under
mtor it makes noises as of a collapsed bearing and is more or less seized
and very difficult to turn using a winch handle. I have removed it from the
mast but am having difficulty breaking into it. Can anyone offer advice
please. It may be that I will require a replacement from Amel but would like
to see what exactly has gone wrong in the gearbox. I have the earlier
mainsail furler where the motor projects from the mast, similar to the
SM2000.

Regards,
Martin Bevan
Caduceus
Amel 54 #56
Maine, USA
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Re: [Amel] Tecpro battery charger

Jorge Zlatar <jorge.zlatar@...>
 

I am in Ahillion-greece and the only batteries that they have in the area are starting,no deep cycle batteries. I found 8 batteries that they use also for solar panels system fully deep cycle 24 v 100 amp .
The interesting thing is the time they can be left without charging in winter.they are : Sunlight 24-100
Sent from my iPod

On 31-07-2012, at 17:20, Attilio Siviero YAHOO <attilio.siviero@...> wrote:

Hi,
I agree, I had bad experience, Tecpro battery charger burned my batteries because it surcharged my batteries. The solution was to put a Mastervolt charger with heat sensor on batteries, lead acid. Mastervolt can be easily tuned for any kind of batteries, AGM and GEL.
Cheers

Attilio & Maria Siviero
Amel Santorin#84 "Sisila"


Il giorno 31/lug/2012, alle ore 16:29, Richard03801 ha scritto:

Hi as I recall there is not an adjustment on that charger. You are better off staying with lead acid you can get replacements anyplace. Or you can buy a smart charger from Charles or Dolphin.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:22, Jorge Zlatar <jorge.zlatar@...> wrote:

Hi All
In my SM 195 I have a TECPRO Battery charger but I don`t have the manual or the specification.Can any body help me with this?I need to know if there is any spetial setting for gel batteries or for lead acid?
Thanks in advance
Jorge
SV Excalibur

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Re: [Amel] Tecpro battery charger

Attilio Siviero YAHOO <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Hi,
I agree, I had bad experience, Tecpro battery charger burned my batteries because it surcharged my batteries. The solution was to put a Mastervolt charger with heat sensor on batteries, lead acid. Mastervolt can be easily tuned for any kind of batteries, AGM and GEL.
Cheers

Attilio & Maria Siviero
Amel Santorin#84 "Sisila"

Il giorno 31/lug/2012, alle ore 16:29, Richard03801 ha scritto:

Hi as I recall there is not an adjustment on that charger. You are better off staying with lead acid you can get replacements anyplace. Or you can buy a smart charger from Charles or Dolphin.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:22, Jorge Zlatar <jorge.zlatar@...> wrote:

Hi All
In my SM 195 I have a TECPRO Battery charger but I don`t have the manual or the specification.Can any body help me with this?I need to know if there is any spetial setting for gel batteries or for lead acid?
Thanks in advance
Jorge
SV Excalibur

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Re: [Amel] Tecpro battery charger

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi as I recall there is not an adjustment on that charger. You are better off staying with lead acid you can get replacements anyplace. Or you can buy a smart charger from Charles or Dolphin.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:22, Jorge Zlatar <jorge.zlatar@...> wrote:

Hi All
In my SM 195 I have a TECPRO Battery charger but I don`t have the manual or the specification.Can any body help me with this?I need to know if there is any spetial setting for gel batteries or for lead acid?
Thanks in advance
Jorge
SV Excalibur

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Tecpro battery charger

Jorge Zlatar <jorge.zlatar@...>
 

Hi All
In my SM 195 I have a TECPRO Battery charger but I don`t have the manual or the specification.Can any body help me with this?I need  to know if there is any spetial setting for gel batteries or for lead acid?
Thanks in advance
Jorge
SV Excalibur

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