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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.

Ric <ric@...>
 

Peakes lists the boat as "a project boat" and makes no assumptions as to condition. As always, in any country, be careful. There was another amel (a mango i think) in peakes that sitting there for years in much worse condition. By comparison this looks good. Just looks. Your surveyor will be the best judge.
SN24 balihai

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:42 AM, eric meury <ericmeury@...> wrote:

I already had a surveyor look at the boat - my surveyor had intimate knowledge of the boat during IVAN (he did the survey then) so i was fortunate that he knew exactly where to look. In my opinion the seller is trying to cover up most of the damage with cosmetic repairs. Not sure another surveyor would have seen everything.

The boat was listed with peakes, in all honesty i'm a bit curious is to why peakes advertised the boat as only needed minor work. I did learn that Walter and the owner of Peakes have known each other for years. Perhaps peakes just takes the owners word about the condition of boats they list rather than doing any sort of inspection themselves to make sure they are representing themselves and the boat properly. Perhaps every broker in the industry functions the same way....not sure..

--- On Fri, 8/3/12, Ric <ric@...> wrote:

From: Ric <ric@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, August 3, 2012, 6:57 AM



Contact billy wray. He is a surveyor and straight shooter. His office is a Peakes. I'm sure he has the answers as well as the great people at Peakes.

SN 24 balihai

Ric Gottschalk

Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc

Office 410-923-5800

Fax 410-923-5802

On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:15 AM, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

"eric" <ericmeury@>,
Read this posting: Message #8966 at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/message/8966
And this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/message/5110
Might be the same boat...If it is, it needs to be chopped up, along with a few greedy dishonest brokers.
Your best bet is to contact Joel Potter. He has one really nice 2002 SM that I am very familiar with. You can contact Joel at (954) 462-5869, or email him at jfpottercys"at"att.net. Joel will know more about any Amel for sale than just about anyone. More importantly, you can trust Joel.
Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Why don't you post the hull number? If it is the Ivan boat that I am thinking of there is more to the story.
Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric" <ericmeury@> wrote:
This past week, the fiance and I visited Peakes to look at an Amel Maramu. I knew this boat was involved in Ivan in Grenada but the extent was not properly disclosed. As it turned out I ended up finding the survey after Ivan while i was down there.
I contacted the current owner walter a few months ago and was told that the boat was on its side in the Mangroves. That was probably only half the truth at best. The old survey showed day light coming from the starboard side of the deck where the deck and hull meet. The entire rubrail was damaged. A large "chunk" of the stern where the the transom meets the hull on the starboard side was missing. -
Perhaps walter or the original marine salvage company attempted to do some repairs. All the repairs are cosmetic at best.
From my Surveyor "The hull was completely immersed in seawater. There was serious structural damage, particularly to the starboard side from amidships aft, and to the area of the hull to deck joint for almost the entire length." --- In particular i noticed that the water tight bulkhead was not fully connecting neither the hull or the deck.
The starboard chain plate was "repaired" although despite the boat being on the hard and not sailed there is already cracking on the deck.
There is evidence that the engine was fully submerged or at least heavily corroded. The current owner repainted the engine. It was apart when i was there - he said it does run - I doubt it.
i have an additional list of observations made by my surveyor...all in all the boat is really probably beyond worth saving.
The owner wanted 65k for the boat, i talked him down over email to 40k subject to my inspection. After looking at it, he would have to give to to me for free if i was going to do the work. Basically all of his repairs would need to be redone. None of the rigging was replaced after ivan. Apparently he things it is okay, but i doubt it. He does have new sails and new lines - which is really odd considering what needs to be done. - The entire inside needs to be redone and rewired including ALL SYSTEMS.
Just thought i would pass this along to anybody else that stumbled upon this maramu and was considering going through the expense of looking at the boat.


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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.

eric meury <ericmeury@...>
 

I already had a surveyor look at the boat - my surveyor had intimate knowledge of the boat during IVAN (he did the survey then) so i was fortunate that he knew exactly where to look.  In my opinion the seller is trying to cover up most of the damage with cosmetic repairs.  Not sure another surveyor would have seen everything.

 The boat was listed with peakes, in all honesty i'm a bit curious is to why peakes advertised the boat as only needed minor work.   I did learn that Walter and the owner of Peakes have known each other for years.  Perhaps peakes just takes the  owners word about the condition of  boats they list rather than doing any sort of inspection themselves to make sure they are representing themselves and the boat properly.  Perhaps every broker in the industry functions the same way....not sure..

--- On Fri, 8/3/12, Ric <ric@...> wrote:

From: Ric <ric@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Friday, August 3, 2012, 6:57 AM
















 









Contact billy wray. He is a surveyor and straight shooter. His office is a Peakes. I'm sure he has the answers as well as the great people at Peakes.

SN 24 balihai



Ric Gottschalk

Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc

Office 410-923-5800

Fax 410-923-5802



On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:15 AM, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:



"eric" <ericmeury@>,
Read this posting: Message #8966 at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/message/8966
And this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/message/5110
Might be the same boat...If it is, it needs to be chopped up, along with a few greedy dishonest brokers.
Your best bet is to contact Joel Potter. He has one really nice 2002 SM that I am very familiar with. You can contact Joel at (954) 462-5869, or email him at jfpottercys"at"att.net. Joel will know more about any Amel for sale than just about anyone. More importantly, you can trust Joel.
Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Why don't you post the hull number? If it is the Ivan boat that I am thinking of there is more to the story.
Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric" <ericmeury@> wrote:
This past week, the fiance and I visited Peakes to look at an Amel Maramu. I knew this boat was involved in Ivan in Grenada but the extent was not properly disclosed. As it turned out I ended up finding the survey after Ivan while i was down there.
I contacted the current owner walter a few months ago and was told that the boat was on its side in the Mangroves. That was probably only half the truth at best. The old survey showed day light coming from the starboard side of the deck where the deck and hull meet. The entire rubrail was damaged. A large "chunk" of the stern where the the transom meets the hull on the starboard side was missing. -
Perhaps walter or the original marine salvage company attempted to do some repairs. All the repairs are cosmetic at best.
From my Surveyor "The hull was completely immersed in seawater. There was serious structural damage, particularly to the starboard side from amidships aft, and to the area of the hull to deck joint for almost the entire length." --- In particular i noticed that the water tight bulkhead was not fully connecting neither the hull or the deck.
The starboard chain plate was "repaired" although despite the boat being on the hard and not sailed there is already cracking on the deck.
There is evidence that the engine was fully submerged or at least heavily corroded. The current owner repainted the engine. It was apart when i was there - he said it does run - I doubt it.
i have an additional list of observations made by my surveyor...all in all the boat is really probably beyond worth saving.
The owner wanted 65k for the boat, i talked him down over email to 40k subject to my inspection. After looking at it, he would have to give to to me for free if i was going to do the work. Basically all of his repairs would need to be redone. None of the rigging was replaced after ivan. Apparently he things it is okay, but i doubt it. He does have new sails and new lines - which is really odd considering what needs to be done. - The entire inside needs to be redone and rewired including ALL SYSTEMS.
Just thought i would pass this along to anybody else that stumbled upon this maramu and was considering going through the expense of looking at the boat.






























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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.

Ric <ric@...>
 

Contact billy wray. He is a surveyor and straight shooter. His office is a Peakes. I'm sure he has the answers as well as the great people at Peakes.
SN 24 balihai

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:15 AM, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

"eric" <ericmeury@>,

Read this posting: Message #8966 at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/message/8966
And this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/message/5110

Might be the same boat...If it is, it needs to be chopped up, along with a few greedy dishonest brokers.

Your best bet is to contact Joel Potter. He has one really nice 2002 SM that I am very familiar with. You can contact Joel at (954) 462-5869, or email him at jfpottercys"at"att.net. Joel will know more about any Amel for sale than just about anyone. More importantly, you can trust Joel.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Why don't you post the hull number? If it is the Ivan boat that I am thinking of there is more to the story.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric" <ericmeury@> wrote:

This past week, the fiance and I visited Peakes to look at an Amel Maramu. I knew this boat was involved in Ivan in Grenada but the extent was not properly disclosed. As it turned out I ended up finding the survey after Ivan while i was down there.

I contacted the current owner walter a few months ago and was told that the boat was on its side in the Mangroves. That was probably only half the truth at best. The old survey showed day light coming from the starboard side of the deck where the deck and hull meet. The entire rubrail was damaged. A large "chunk" of the stern where the the transom meets the hull on the starboard side was missing. -

Perhaps walter or the original marine salvage company attempted to do some repairs. All the repairs are cosmetic at best.

From my Surveyor "The hull was completely immersed in seawater. There was serious structural damage, particularly to the starboard side from amidships aft, and to the area of the hull to deck joint for almost the entire length." --- In particular i noticed that the water tight bulkhead was not fully connecting neither the hull or the deck.

The starboard chain plate was "repaired" although despite the boat being on the hard and not sailed there is already cracking on the deck.

There is evidence that the engine was fully submerged or at least heavily corroded. The current owner repainted the engine. It was apart when i was there - he said it does run - I doubt it.


i have an additional list of observations made by my surveyor...all in all the boat is really probably beyond worth saving.

The owner wanted 65k for the boat, i talked him down over email to 40k subject to my inspection. After looking at it, he would have to give to to me for free if i was going to do the work. Basically all of his repairs would need to be redone. None of the rigging was replaced after ivan. Apparently he things it is okay, but i doubt it. He does have new sails and new lines - which is really odd considering what needs to be done. - The entire inside needs to be redone and rewired including ALL SYSTEMS.

Just thought i would pass this along to anybody else that stumbled upon this maramu and was considering going through the expense of looking at the boat.

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Re: [Amel] Re: Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.

eric meury <ericmeury@...>
 

The boats name during ivan was Bear Necessity of (something)  the new owner changed it just Bear Necessity.   

The boat was not Lady Divina, i did find this post but Lady Divina is/was a SM, this is a 1984 Maramu, - 

I believe that this guy walter bought it directly from the salvage company, but i cannot be 100% certain.  Also the bow area was damaged as well including the area of the bow thruster.  Rather than repair the area he decided to simply glass over the entire area. 

Not sure if this was on Ebay or not but there isn't much value here short of maybe the sails, which are reported to be new.  The current owner advertised that he thinks the boat only needs 20k worth of work, Clearly he doesn't live on the same planet as the rest of us. 

All in all i would advise anybody that wants a project you would have a lifetime of projects on this boat and even if one would finish the boat, you would have more $ in the boat than the price of a good used one on the market today, plus the resale value would be much much lower, and i would also suspect that the strength of the boat is suspect.  The chain plate is a major concern as well as the bulkhead.  -  The plate that the mizzen mast sets on is also compressing to the point that i do not think that the bottom of the entire mast is resting on this plate completely. 

Eric J.

--- On Thu, 8/2/12, Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:

From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 10:24 PM
















 









Was that the boat that was on ebay at one point?

That thing was a real wreck of no economic value. Only worth scrap value but there's often people that dream big only to find the reality of putting something like that back together is well beyond their means and ability. Any idea if the current owner is the one who bought from the insurance company or a subsequent owner?



--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric" <ericmeury@...> wrote:

This past week, the fiance and I visited Peakes to look at an Amel Maramu. I knew this boat was involved in Ivan in Grenada but the extent was not properly disclosed. As it turned out I ended up finding the survey after Ivan while i was down there.
I contacted the current owner walter a few months ago and was told that the boat was on its side in the Mangroves. That was probably only half the truth at best. The old survey showed day light coming from the starboard side of the deck where the deck and hull meet. The entire rubrail was damaged. A large "chunk" of the stern where the the transom meets the hull on the starboard side was missing. -
Perhaps walter or the original marine salvage company attempted to do some repairs. All the repairs are cosmetic at best.
From my Surveyor "The hull was completely immersed in seawater. There was serious structural damage, particularly to the starboard side from amidships aft, and to the area of the hull to deck joint for almost the entire length." --- In particular i noticed that the water tight bulkhead was not fully connecting neither the hull or the deck.
The starboard chain plate was "repaired" although despite the boat being on the hard and not sailed there is already cracking on the deck.
There is evidence that the engine was fully submerged or at least heavily corroded. The current owner repainted the engine. It was apart when i was there - he said it does run - I doubt it.
i have an additional list of observations made by my surveyor...all in all the boat is really probably beyond worth saving.
The owner wanted 65k for the boat, i talked him down over email to 40k subject to my inspection. After looking at it, he would have to give to to me for free if i was going to do the work. Basically all of his repairs would need to be redone. None of the rigging was replaced after ivan. Apparently he things it is okay, but i doubt it. He does have new sails and new lines - which is really odd considering what needs to be done. - The entire inside needs to be redone and rewired including ALL SYSTEMS.
Just thought i would pass this along to anybody else that stumbled upon this maramu and was considering going through the expense of looking at the boat.


























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[Amel] Re: Cartagena Colombia

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

This is the information I have from 2007-2008:
Club de Pesca Yacht Club
Manga, Fuerte de San Sebastian del Pastelillo.
Tels: 660 5578/9. Fax: 660 5576.
Email: cpescacartagena"at"ctgred.net.co.
Maria Josefina, Manager - email at cpescacartagena"at"costa.net.co.
She speaks good English and anwers her email promptly.

Bill

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi,

I can not seem to get in touch with them on the internet.

Do you have a good address?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Louise and Bengt
MÃ¥rtensson
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Cartagena Colombia





Hi,
We can recommend: Club de Pesca de Cartagena
This marina is very secure and the closest one to the old town. We spent one
month here.
Enjoy Cratagena a lovely town.
Louise and Bengt

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailormon <kimberlite@>
wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone been to Cartagena Colombia?

I have been to Rododero and Santa Marta from the land side but I would
like
to find a nice secure marina on the Coast for a few months this coming
winter.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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Re: [Amel] Re: Cartagena Colombia

Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

Hi,

I can not seem to get in touch with them on the internet.

Do you have a good address?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Louise and Bengt
MÃ¥rtensson
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Cartagena Colombia





Hi,
We can recommend: Club de Pesca de Cartagena
This marina is very secure and the closest one to the old town. We spent one
month here.
Enjoy Cratagena a lovely town.
Louise and Bengt

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
wrote:

Hi,

Has anyone been to Cartagena Colombia?

I have been to Rododero and Santa Marta from the land side but I would
like
to find a nice secure marina on the Coast for a few months this coming
winter.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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Re: Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.

Dave_Benjamin
 

Was that the boat that was on ebay at one point?
That thing was a real wreck of no economic value. Only worth scrap value but there's often people that dream big only to find the reality of putting something like that back together is well beyond their means and ability. Any idea if the current owner is the one who bought from the insurance company or a subsequent owner?

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric" <ericmeury@...> wrote:

This past week, the fiance and I visited Peakes to look at an Amel Maramu. I knew this boat was involved in Ivan in Grenada but the extent was not properly disclosed. As it turned out I ended up finding the survey after Ivan while i was down there.

I contacted the current owner walter a few months ago and was told that the boat was on its side in the Mangroves. That was probably only half the truth at best. The old survey showed day light coming from the starboard side of the deck where the deck and hull meet. The entire rubrail was damaged. A large "chunk" of the stern where the the transom meets the hull on the starboard side was missing. -

Perhaps walter or the original marine salvage company attempted to do some repairs. All the repairs are cosmetic at best.

From my Surveyor "The hull was completely immersed in seawater. There was serious structural damage, particularly to the starboard side from amidships aft, and to the area of the hull to deck joint for almost the entire length." --- In particular i noticed that the water tight bulkhead was not fully connecting neither the hull or the deck.

The starboard chain plate was "repaired" although despite the boat being on the hard and not sailed there is already cracking on the deck.

There is evidence that the engine was fully submerged or at least heavily corroded. The current owner repainted the engine. It was apart when i was there - he said it does run - I doubt it.


i have an additional list of observations made by my surveyor...all in all the boat is really probably beyond worth saving.

The owner wanted 65k for the boat, i talked him down over email to 40k subject to my inspection. After looking at it, he would have to give to to me for free if i was going to do the work. Basically all of his repairs would need to be redone. None of the rigging was replaced after ivan. Apparently he things it is okay, but i doubt it. He does have new sails and new lines - which is really odd considering what needs to be done. - The entire inside needs to be redone and rewired including ALL SYSTEMS.

Just thought i would pass this along to anybody else that stumbled upon this maramu and was considering going through the expense of looking at the boat.


Re: Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

"eric" <ericmeury@>,

Read this posting: Message #8966 at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/message/8966
And this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/message/5110

Might be the same boat...If it is, it needs to be chopped up, along with a few greedy dishonest brokers.

Your best bet is to contact Joel Potter. He has one really nice 2002 SM that I am very familiar with. You can contact Joel at (954) 462-5869, or email him at jfpottercys"at"att.net. Joel will know more about any Amel for sale than just about anyone. More importantly, you can trust Joel.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Why don't you post the hull number? If it is the Ivan boat that I am thinking of there is more to the story.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric" <ericmeury@> wrote:

This past week, the fiance and I visited Peakes to look at an Amel Maramu. I knew this boat was involved in Ivan in Grenada but the extent was not properly disclosed. As it turned out I ended up finding the survey after Ivan while i was down there.

I contacted the current owner walter a few months ago and was told that the boat was on its side in the Mangroves. That was probably only half the truth at best. The old survey showed day light coming from the starboard side of the deck where the deck and hull meet. The entire rubrail was damaged. A large "chunk" of the stern where the the transom meets the hull on the starboard side was missing. -

Perhaps walter or the original marine salvage company attempted to do some repairs. All the repairs are cosmetic at best.

From my Surveyor "The hull was completely immersed in seawater. There was serious structural damage, particularly to the starboard side from amidships aft, and to the area of the hull to deck joint for almost the entire length." --- In particular i noticed that the water tight bulkhead was not fully connecting neither the hull or the deck.

The starboard chain plate was "repaired" although despite the boat being on the hard and not sailed there is already cracking on the deck.

There is evidence that the engine was fully submerged or at least heavily corroded. The current owner repainted the engine. It was apart when i was there - he said it does run - I doubt it.


i have an additional list of observations made by my surveyor...all in all the boat is really probably beyond worth saving.

The owner wanted 65k for the boat, i talked him down over email to 40k subject to my inspection. After looking at it, he would have to give to to me for free if i was going to do the work. Basically all of his repairs would need to be redone. None of the rigging was replaced after ivan. Apparently he things it is okay, but i doubt it. He does have new sails and new lines - which is really odd considering what needs to be done. - The entire inside needs to be redone and rewired including ALL SYSTEMS.

Just thought i would pass this along to anybody else that stumbled upon this maramu and was considering going through the expense of looking at the boat.


Re: Amel Super Maramu Manual

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Sorry about that...my mistake.

I have uploaded all 3 pieces of the owners manual to the same website.

They are:
(1)Previous Uploaded:
Amel Super Maramu Owner's Manual with Optional_equipment.pdf (20.14MB) Download Link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ewtufc

(2)Uploaded Today:
Amel Super Maramu Manual.pdf (16.80MB)
Download Link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/py9md3

(3)Uploaded Today:
Amel Super Maramu Owners_Manual_CP_fuel_heater.pdf (25MB)
Download Link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/kvoxoz

The files will be available for download for a limited time only

I hope this helps.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "islandbwoy4434" <terencesingh@...> wrote:

Thank you for making this available. Do you have a soft copy of the Owners Manual? The document I downloaded only displayed optional equipment only.
Many thanks,
Terry&Dena
SV Libby
SM 196

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@> wrote:

There are a few new members of this group that are interested in buying a Super Maramu. Of course, they have lots of questions and are trying to get answers here.

In order to help them, I have uploaded the Amel Super Maramu Owner's Manual with Optional_equipment.pdf (20.14MB) to sendspace.com and it is located at http://www.sendspace.com/file/ewtufc

It will be at the above location for 30 days.

Let me know if you have difficulty downloading it. Email me at Bill"at"svbebe.com

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey


Re: Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Why don't you post the hull number? If it is the Ivan boat that I am thinking of there is more to the story.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "eric" <ericmeury@...> wrote:

This past week, the fiance and I visited Peakes to look at an Amel Maramu. I knew this boat was involved in Ivan in Grenada but the extent was not properly disclosed. As it turned out I ended up finding the survey after Ivan while i was down there.

I contacted the current owner walter a few months ago and was told that the boat was on its side in the Mangroves. That was probably only half the truth at best. The old survey showed day light coming from the starboard side of the deck where the deck and hull meet. The entire rubrail was damaged. A large "chunk" of the stern where the the transom meets the hull on the starboard side was missing. -

Perhaps walter or the original marine salvage company attempted to do some repairs. All the repairs are cosmetic at best.

From my Surveyor "The hull was completely immersed in seawater. There was serious structural damage, particularly to the starboard side from amidships aft, and to the area of the hull to deck joint for almost the entire length." --- In particular i noticed that the water tight bulkhead was not fully connecting neither the hull or the deck.

The starboard chain plate was "repaired" although despite the boat being on the hard and not sailed there is already cracking on the deck.

There is evidence that the engine was fully submerged or at least heavily corroded. The current owner repainted the engine. It was apart when i was there - he said it does run - I doubt it.


i have an additional list of observations made by my surveyor...all in all the boat is really probably beyond worth saving.

The owner wanted 65k for the boat, i talked him down over email to 40k subject to my inspection. After looking at it, he would have to give to to me for free if i was going to do the work. Basically all of his repairs would need to be redone. None of the rigging was replaced after ivan. Apparently he things it is okay, but i doubt it. He does have new sails and new lines - which is really odd considering what needs to be done. - The entire inside needs to be redone and rewired including ALL SYSTEMS.

Just thought i would pass this along to anybody else that stumbled upon this maramu and was considering going through the expense of looking at the boat.


Amel Maramu for sale at Peakes...not worth it.

eric <ericmeury@...>
 

This past week, the fiance and I visited Peakes to look at an Amel Maramu. I knew this boat was involved in Ivan in Grenada but the extent was not properly disclosed. As it turned out I ended up finding the survey after Ivan while i was down there.

I contacted the current owner walter a few months ago and was told that the boat was on its side in the Mangroves. That was probably only half the truth at best. The old survey showed day light coming from the starboard side of the deck where the deck and hull meet. The entire rubrail was damaged. A large "chunk" of the stern where the the transom meets the hull on the starboard side was missing. -

Perhaps walter or the original marine salvage company attempted to do some repairs. All the repairs are cosmetic at best.

From my Surveyor "The hull was completely immersed in seawater. There was serious structural damage, particularly to the starboard side from amidships aft, and to the area of the hull to deck joint for almost the entire length." --- In particular i noticed that the water tight bulkhead was not fully connecting neither the hull or the deck.

The starboard chain plate was "repaired" although despite the boat being on the hard and not sailed there is already cracking on the deck.

There is evidence that the engine was fully submerged or at least heavily corroded. The current owner repainted the engine. It was apart when i was there - he said it does run - I doubt it.


i have an additional list of observations made by my surveyor...all in all the boat is really probably beyond worth saving.

The owner wanted 65k for the boat, i talked him down over email to 40k subject to my inspection. After looking at it, he would have to give to to me for free if i was going to do the work. Basically all of his repairs would need to be redone. None of the rigging was replaced after ivan. Apparently he things it is okay, but i doubt it. He does have new sails and new lines - which is really odd considering what needs to be done. - The entire inside needs to be redone and rewired including ALL SYSTEMS.

Just thought i would pass this along to anybody else that stumbled upon this maramu and was considering going through the expense of looking at the boat.


Re: Amel Super Maramu Manual

islandbwoy4434
 

Thank you for making this available. Do you have a soft copy of the Owners Manual? The document I downloaded only displayed optional equipment only.
Many thanks,
Terry&Dena
SV Libby
SM 196

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

There are a few new members of this group that are interested in buying a Super Maramu. Of course, they have lots of questions and are trying to get answers here.

In order to help them, I have uploaded the Amel Super Maramu Owner's Manual with Optional_equipment.pdf (20.14MB) to sendspace.com and it is located at http://www.sendspace.com/file/ewtufc

It will be at the above location for 30 days.

Let me know if you have difficulty downloading it. Email me at Bill"at"svbebe.com

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey


Re: [Amel] Re: Sharki 1987 and other Amel yachts / Osmosis

Gene Carter <geneccarter@...>
 

Sharki 1986

when I purchased the boat 12 or so years ago it was blistered. I removed the gel coat and the blisters were in the outer most layer. I had the boat pealed and it was dry in a matter of days. We applied an epoxy barrier coat and have been blister free.

Have not found a solution to the chalking rub rail. Let me know if you do.

 
Go Sailing

Gene C Carter
PO Box 895
Blaine WA 98231
Cell (360) 815-5388


________________________________
From: Dave_Benjamin <dave_benjamin@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 10:56 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Sharki 1987 and other Amel yachts / Osmosis


 
Otto,

Boatyards love to get people worked up about osmosis. It really depends on the severity. What's going on exactly? Are there blisters? If so how many, how large, and how deep? Or is it moisture just being retained in the outermost layer of woven roving?

--- In amelyachtowners@..., otto <otto@...> wrote:

Hello everybody,

I'm the owner of a 25 year old Sharki "Gioconda". During the last 15
years we have done a lot of repairs and replacements:

amongst other things:

- totally overhaul of the engine
- replacement of all navigatory instruments and autopilot
- replacement of the VHF
- new cooking stove
- new refrigerator
- new anchor chain
- new holding tank
- repair of a capillary crack under the mizzen mast which led to a
totally rotten bulkhead in the aft cabin..

During wintertime (7 months) the yacht is hauled dry on land. All the
years it was never a discussion about osmosis!
Now the company which do the maintenance told me they had found Osmosis
and that during next wintertime they would recommend an osmosis treatement!

And now my question to all AMEL-sailors: *What do you think about this
situation?*

- How are the results of such a treatement?
- Is it worth do spend once again a lot of money (about 10'000 euro) for
a 25 year old yacht?
- If yes, should we renew also the upper part (over the water-line) of
the hull (once again 7'000)?
- Is there anybody who has experience with old plastic yachts?
- Does anybody knows something about a "natural" life-time of an
Amel-Yacht ?

- and we have another little problem: The chalking of the hem. You can't
paint it, it's a soft material. But every time you touch it, you are
white....

Thanks for your kind replies

Kind regards Otto E. Martin / SY GIOCONDA





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Re: Sharki 1987 and other Amel yachts / Osmosis

Dave_Benjamin
 

Otto,

Boatyards love to get people worked up about osmosis. It really depends on the severity. What's going on exactly? Are there blisters? If so how many, how large, and how deep? Or is it moisture just being retained in the outermost layer of woven roving?

--- In amelyachtowners@..., otto <otto@...> wrote:

Hello everybody,

I'm the owner of a 25 year old Sharki "Gioconda". During the last 15
years we have done a lot of repairs and replacements:

amongst other things:

- totally overhaul of the engine
- replacement of all navigatory instruments and autopilot
- replacement of the VHF
- new cooking stove
- new refrigerator
- new anchor chain
- new holding tank
- repair of a capillary crack under the mizzen mast which led to a
totally rotten bulkhead in the aft cabin..

During wintertime (7 months) the yacht is hauled dry on land. All the
years it was never a discussion about osmosis!
Now the company which do the maintenance told me they had found Osmosis
and that during next wintertime they would recommend an osmosis treatement!

And now my question to all AMEL-sailors: *What do you think about this
situation?*

- How are the results of such a treatement?
- Is it worth do spend once again a lot of money (about 10'000 euro) for
a 25 year old yacht?
- If yes, should we renew also the upper part (over the water-line) of
the hull (once again 7'000)?
- Is there anybody who has experience with old plastic yachts?
- Does anybody knows something about a "natural" life-time of an
Amel-Yacht ?

- and we have another little problem: The chalking of the hem. You can't
paint it, it's a soft material. But every time you touch it, you are
white....

Thanks for your kind replies

Kind regards Otto E. Martin / SY GIOCONDA





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Re: [Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

There is a pair of flow tubes that cool the bearings/bushings at the pump side of the motor. The motor has run for days and stays cool. It easily handles the 28,000 btu cooling needs of the AC units even in 80-85 deg F water.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:07, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Richard,

Are you sure that the bearing was water-cooled and not the pump bushing/seal?

Bill

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard <richard03801@...> wrote:

We replaced the large pump Amel supplied with a much smaller is size same capacity pump from Budget Marine in St Marrtin part no: MCH 125 075-03 that has water cooled bearing 230volts 50/60 cycle. approx $310 US no more motor issues.
SM209 For SALE

Regards
Richard Piller
1-603-767-5330

On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:07, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Eric,

See the photo at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/58456993/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Some capacitors have twin connection poles on each side which allows a parallel connection.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:





Does anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly 2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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[Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Eric,

If you want to replace what you have with a magnetic drive pump, the March Pump AC-5C-MD 230v 1020gph would be your ticket. One like this one would work: http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-115v-1020-gph-max-replacement-pump-for-Cruisair-PMA1000-/360477465339?pt=BI_Pumps&hash=item53ee219afb#ht_688wt_699

I bought one of these from this eBay seller and carry it as a spare for the A/C water pump. It is a little over spec'd for the low pressure pump for the 160l Dessalator, but I believe it would be fine. But, without trying it on the Dessalator, I cannot be sure.

It is a magnetic drive which is what I believe Richard was talking about when he said water cooled bearing. The motor and the pump are completely separated with the impeller spinning magnetically.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:

Hi Richard,

I could not find this part number in the Budget marine catalog.

Do youi have another descriptiob?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:26 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump





We replaced the large pump Amel supplied with a much smaller is size same
capacity pump from Budget Marine in St Marrtin part no: MCH 125 075-03 that
has water cooled bearing 230volts 50/60 cycle. approx $310 US no more motor
issues.
SM209 For SALE

Regards
Richard Piller
1-603-767-5330

On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:07, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe"
<yahoogroups@ <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> > wrote:

Eric,

See the photo at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/584
56993/view?picmode=
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/58
456993/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>
&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Some capacitors have twin connection poles on each side which allows a
parallel connection.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailormon <kimberlite@>
wrote:





Does anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly
2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite







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[Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric,

If you want to replace what you have with a magnetic drive pump, the March Pump AC-5C-MD 230v 1020gph would be your ticket. One like this one would work: http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-AC-5C-MD-115v-1020-gph-max-replacement-pump-for-Cruisair-PMA1000-/360477465339?pt=BI_Pumps&hash=item53ee219afb#ht_688wt_699

I bought one of these from this eBay seller and carry it as a spare for the A/C water pump. It is a little over spec'd for the low pressure pump for the 160l Dessalator, but I believe it would be fine. But, without trying it on the Dessalator, I cannot be sure.

It is a magnetic drive which is what I believe Richard was talking about when he said water cooled bearing. The motor and the pump are completely separated with the impeller spinning magnetically.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Marmaris, Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

I could not find this part number in the Budget marine catalog.

Do youi have another descriptiob?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:26 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump





We replaced the large pump Amel supplied with a much smaller is size same
capacity pump from Budget Marine in St Marrtin part no: MCH 125 075-03 that
has water cooled bearing 230volts 50/60 cycle. approx $310 US no more motor
issues.
SM209 For SALE

Regards
Richard Piller
1-603-767-5330

On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:07, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe"
<yahoogroups@... <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> > wrote:

Eric,

See the photo at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/584
56993/view?picmode=
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/58
456993/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc>
&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Some capacitors have twin connection poles on each side which allows a
parallel connection.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailormon <kimberlite@>
wrote:





Does anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly
2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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[Amel] Re: Correction- Calpeda Air conditioning pump

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Richard,

Are you sure that the bearing was water-cooled and not the pump bushing/seal?

Bill

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Richard <richard03801@...> wrote:

We replaced the large pump Amel supplied with a much smaller is size same capacity pump from Budget Marine in St Marrtin part no: MCH 125 075-03 that has water cooled bearing 230volts 50/60 cycle. approx $310 US no more motor issues.
SM209 For SALE

Regards
Richard Piller
1-603-767-5330

On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:07, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Eric,

See the photo at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/324976668/pic/58456993/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Some capacitors have twin connection poles on each side which allows a parallel connection.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:





Does anyone know the specs on the raw water AC pump capacitor on the
Calpeda pump. It has 4 connections; I do not understand why 4. Possibly 2
run and 2 start? But it is one unit.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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Re: [Amel] Off topic- Desalination....a possible new approach?

karkauai
 

Very Interesting, Bill.  So, if it's 100x more efficient than my membranes, I could make 6000l/hr with the new stuff!  Run it for 5 min per day.  Where do I sign up?
Kent
SM 243 KRISTY
Currently Brunswick, GA


________________________________
From: "Look@..." <look@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:29 AM
Subject: [Amel] Off topic- Desalination....a possible new approach?


 
Here's a story about a possible new idea/method for desalination.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2012/graphene-water-desalination-0702.html

So far, from what I read, the method has only been tried using computer
simulation.

Earl


Off topic- Desalination....a possible new approach?

Look@iPadRing.net <look@...>
 

Here's a story about a possible new idea/method for desalination.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2012/graphene-water-desalination-0702.html

So far, from what I read, the method has only been tried using computer
simulation.

Earl