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Re: [Amel] Lemma Insurance Bankruptcy

Roque
 

One more to Mr Geofrroy de Lasse, France. My insurance company is Groupama.

Roque
Atica Amel 54

2012/10/22 Alexandre Uster von Baar <uster@...>

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I use the same French insurance as Bill (S/V Bebe SM2K #387)
http://www.assurances-delassee.com/
They have a program especially for Amel.
I talked directly to Mr Geoffroy de Lasse.
Sincerely, Alexandre

--- On Mon, 10/22/12, Richard Piller <richard03801@...> wrote:

From: Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lemma Insurance Bankruptcy
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, October 22, 2012, 12:30 PM




We use Al Golden of Jack Line here in the US A for all oceans insurance
his email is mail@...
phone: 1 (410) 827-3757

Richard on SM 209 for sale in Annapolis 603 767 5330

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From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: [Amel] Lemma Insurance Bankruptcy


I have had my Amel SM insured with Lemma Insurance (Lemma Europe Insurance
Company) through Bill Coats at Offshore Risk Management of Florida. On 17
Oct 2012 I received an eMail from Offshore Risk Management indicating that
Lemma Europe is in liquidation and that, while my policy is in force, there
is a strong possibility that there be insufficient funds to pay future
claims.

OH GREAT!!!

I have roughly 1/4th of my annual $US 6,500 premium tied up in this now
bankrupt company.

I would welcome any thoughts from the readership on different brokers or
insurance companies. I feel like I need to secure alternative insurance
soon, just in case. I think I will go with a USA company since things look
so bleak for Europe right now (not that they are all that great for the
USA).

My boat is on the hard in a cradle in Jolly Harbor Antigua. We have kept
the boat in the hurricane box for each of the last 6 years. The one time we
brought the boat out of the box was to Florida where we had 3 hurricanes
come close, one within 60 miles of our boat, while there. We finally went
back to the Caribbean where we have felt safer from hurricanes.

Thanks for your input.

Gary Silver
Amel SM 335

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Re: [Amel] Lemma Insurance Bankruptcy

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I use the same French insurance as Bill (S/V Bebe SM2K #387) http://www.assurances-delassee.com/
They have a program especially for Amel. 
I talked directly to Mr Geoffroy de Lasse.
Sincerely, Alexandre

--- On Mon, 10/22/12, Richard Piller <richard03801@...> wrote:


From: Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel] Lemma Insurance Bankruptcy
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, October 22, 2012, 12:30 PM



 



We use Al Golden of Jack Line here in the US A for all oceans insurance his email is mail@...
phone: 1 (410) 827-3757

Richard on SM 209 for sale in Annapolis 603 767 5330

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From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: [Amel] Lemma Insurance Bankruptcy


 
I have had my Amel SM insured with Lemma Insurance (Lemma Europe Insurance Company) through Bill Coats at Offshore Risk Management of Florida. On 17 Oct 2012 I received an eMail from Offshore Risk Management indicating that Lemma Europe is in liquidation and that, while my policy is in force, there is a strong possibility that there be insufficient funds to pay future claims.

OH GREAT!!!

I have roughly 1/4th of my annual $US 6,500 premium tied up in this now bankrupt company.

I would welcome any thoughts from the readership on different brokers or insurance companies. I feel like I need to secure alternative insurance soon, just in case. I think I will go with a USA company since things look so bleak for Europe right now (not that they are all that great for the USA).

My boat is on the hard in a cradle in Jolly Harbor Antigua. We have kept the boat in the hurricane box for each of the last 6 years. The one time we brought the boat out of the box was to Florida where we had 3 hurricanes come close, one within 60 miles of our boat, while there. We finally went back to the Caribbean where we have felt safer from hurricanes.

Thanks for your input.

Gary Silver
Amel SM 335

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Re: [Amel] Lemma Insurance Bankruptcy

Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
 

We use Al Golden of Jack Line here in the US A for all oceans insurance his email is mail@...
phone: 1 (410) 827-3757


Richard on SM 209 for sale in Annapolis 603 767 5330


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From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: [Amel] Lemma Insurance Bankruptcy


 
I have had my Amel SM insured with Lemma Insurance (Lemma Europe Insurance Company) through Bill Coats at Offshore Risk Management of Florida. On 17 Oct 2012 I received an eMail from Offshore Risk Management indicating that Lemma Europe is in liquidation and that, while my policy is in force, there is a strong possibility that there be insufficient funds to pay future claims.

OH GREAT!!!

I have roughly 1/4th of my annual $US 6,500 premium tied up in this now bankrupt company.

I would welcome any thoughts from the readership on different brokers or insurance companies. I feel like I need to secure alternative insurance soon, just in case. I think I will go with a USA company since things look so bleak for Europe right now (not that they are all that great for the USA).

My boat is on the hard in a cradle in Jolly Harbor Antigua. We have kept the boat in the hurricane box for each of the last 6 years. The one time we brought the boat out of the box was to Florida where we had 3 hurricanes come close, one within 60 miles of our boat, while there. We finally went back to the Caribbean where we have felt safer from hurricanes.

Thanks for your input.

Gary Silver
Amel SM 335




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Lemma Insurance Bankruptcy

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

I have had my Amel SM insured with Lemma Insurance (Lemma Europe Insurance Company) through Bill Coats at Offshore Risk Management of Florida. On 17 Oct 2012 I received an eMail from Offshore Risk Management indicating that Lemma Europe is in liquidation and that, while my policy is in force, there is a strong possibility that there be insufficient funds to pay future claims.

OH GREAT!!!

I have roughly 1/4th of my annual $US 6,500 premium tied up in this now bankrupt company.

I would welcome any thoughts from the readership on different brokers or insurance companies. I feel like I need to secure alternative insurance soon, just in case. I think I will go with a USA company since things look so bleak for Europe right now (not that they are all that great for the USA).

My boat is on the hard in a cradle in Jolly Harbor Antigua. We have kept the boat in the hurricane box for each of the last 6 years. The one time we brought the boat out of the box was to Florida where we had 3 hurricanes come close, one within 60 miles of our boat, while there. We finally went back to the Caribbean where we have felt safer from hurricanes.

Thanks for your input.

Gary Silver
Amel SM 335
Re: Need INFO

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Kent:

I am not sure what the first digits of that serial number are, but the SM 88 means this is Super Maramu hull # 88. Mine is hull number 335 and is a 2001. Amel, at that time, built 45 boats per year and that works out.

As to cleaning the bilge sump, disconnect the two spade connectors that go to the bilge pump switch on the gray plastic tube that contains the bilge pump float. Slip the 5 foot long gray plastic tube out of its holder and using a bucket to prevent dripping dirty water from getting on things in the engine room lift the tube out and take it outside to clean it. Now you have better access to the deep sump, poor in some bilge cleaner, fill the sump with some water (warm is better) and using a long handled brush, got to work. You can short the spade connectors together to activate the bilge pump to empty the sump. Repeat this process several times and you will have a fairly clean sump. A hose with a pressure nozzle helps also. Lastly, reinstall the clean sump float tube back in its holder and connect up the wires. You will also want to pump the last amount of water out of the sump periodically using the manual pump located at the helm (the handle for this is located on the inboard wall of the cockpit port lazarette . The inlet for the manual pump is set deeper in the sump than the inlet for the electric pump.

Hope this helps,

Gary Silver
s/v Liahon
Amel SM 335 (July 2001 delivery)

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Ken Simons <svmakai007@...> wrote:

Hello Amel friends
                     I was left in charge of a 1992 Super Marmu ......I am located in Cartagena Colombia ...... She is in A1 condition and we want to keep it that way untill we sell her .....
                     O K my first question on the Amel plate ,,,,, the serial # is 0030017SM88
Could someone explain what this refers to ??
                     Next question the (well) that the bilge water ,,, drains into ..... is something new to me .... Is there a method or process to clean this out ,,,,,
                     Please get back in touch with me if you know anyone who would be intrested in becoming a new owner of this beautiful Amel .......
                     Get in touch with Ken Simons   svmakai007@...   and I can send Photos and the Specs

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Re: [Amel] watermaker feed pump problem (160 l/h)

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

I believe Kent is on to something here. The only logic that will cause the red light to come on is High Pressure. Kent, if you have the original logic board, salinity does not cause a red light and bypass activation. That was the way it was supposed to work but that circuity was never hooked up at the control board level. ( see previous post about this brouhaha )

If the blue manual override lever on the BP pump (low pressure feed pump) 220 volt control relay [hereafter called the 220 VAC BP pump control relay] (the large relay in the box, NOT the small 24 volt control really on the logic board) causes the pump to operate normally, then that totally excludes any problem with your pump or 220 volt power to the pump.

The pumps use two relays to control them. We refer to this a "ganged relays". The theory is that a small relay is controlled by some sort of logic, and that small relay then controls a larger relay that is capable of heavy electrical loads. In the case of the Dessalator original 160l/hr control circuit, the logic is provided by the high pressure switch. It was supposed to have a salinity sensor also providing logic but we know that circuit was never utilized on the original installation. That was corrected by Dessalator with their second generation control board. The small relay (24 VDC BP pump control relay) is Relay #1 on the circuit board, and the large relay (220 VAC BP pump control relay) is the one with the blue lever in the electrical box. To trouble shoot this you need to test each section of these components in a logical manner. The 220 VAC circuit breaker must be on and the rotary control switch on the water maker must be on to test the system. The rotary switch just supplies power to the control circuit board. PLEASE BE CAUTIOUS AS YOU DO THIS TROUBLE SHOOTING BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE THE WATER MATER BREAKER ACTIVATED AND THE WATER MAKER ROTARY CONTROL SWITCH ON AND THERE IS HIGH VOLTAGE IN THIS BOX DURING THOSE TIMES. DON'T KILL YOURSELF!!!)

Did I understand correctly that you "do not" have 24 volt control power to the coil of the 220 volt control relay? You should have 24 volts at that location any time the rotary water maker switch on the water maker control panel is in the "On" position (measure each leg of the coil referenced to ground while the water maker rotary switch is turned on and the water maker CB on the 220 volt panel in the galley is activated). Alternatively verify that you have 24 VDC on Pin 8 of Plug 1 on the control board (see the schematic in the files section under Dessalator Technical Info > Schematic-Dessalator Board) The control circuit for the 220 volt control relay should have 24 volts on it anytime the water maker rotary switch is turned on. Actual control is by completing the circuit by providing a sink to ground via Relay 1. The mere fact that the BP pump starts, even momentarily at times, would indicate that you have a logic problem (i.e. the HP switch is defective), not a control relay problem. However, to further test:

1. Verify that the 2 amp fuse in Fuse holder #2 is ok. In fact, check the continuity of each of the control board fuses. Check continuity with your ohm meter, don't just depend upon eyesight. Fuse 2 is the ground sink fuse for Relay 1 which is the control relay for the BP pump relay (low pressure pump).
2. Verify that you have 24 VDC on pin 5 of PLUG 1 of the control board.
3. Verify that you have 24 VDC on pin 8 of PLUG 1 of the control board.
4. Verify that you have 24 VDC on one of the coil pins at the BP pump 220 volt control relay.
5. Using a test lead wire sink pin 9 of plug 1 to the base of Fuse 2 (use the inboard side of the fuse holder, i.e. the end that faces all the electrical components so that if there is a short of some sort it will blow this fuse ) and see if this then activates the 220 VAC BP pump control relay. If providing this ground activates the 220 volt control relay then the problem is that the logic on the board isn't activating the 24 volt control board BP pump relay (Relay 1).

I do not remember if the High Pressure Sensor is a normally open or normally closed switch but it is really the only logic input to the control board. Therefore if you either open that circuit or short that circuit (i.e. disconnect the wire to Pin 8 or Pin 9 on PLUG 2 of the control board to open the circuit, or short pin 8 to pin 9 of PLUG 2 to close that circuit) you should be able to verify the logic integrity. Pressure switches do fail and I am guessing that your switch is faulty. You could remove the pressure switch and test it's continuity with an ohm meter using compressed air to activate the switch to see at what pressure it operates. If you do this or can confirm if this switch is a NO or NC (normally open or normally closed) switch it would be helpful. Gentle tapping on a pressure switch at times may assist in troubleshooting by breaking something loose.

One last question, If you provide a manual override of the BP pump control relay with the blue lever, does the high pressure pump start normally even though the red LED illuminates?

I hope this helps. If all I have done is add to the confusion please feel free to advise so.

Gary Silver
Amel SM #335

--- In amelyachtowners@..., karkauai@... wrote:

Could you have a bad pressure sensor that is shutting the system down due to perceived high pressure? That would cause a red light and shut down, but wouldn't explain why it works on manual. I'm not on my boat so can't look at the owners manual. What else causes a red light and shutdown besides hi pressure? I think bad quality output causes a red lite and switches the output to go overboard, not shut down.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark <mark_pitt@...>
Sender: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:17:12
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] watermaker feed pump problem (160 l/h)

Eric:

None of the circuit breakers in the control box tripped.

Best,

Mark

On 10/20/2012 11:15 AM, Sailormon wrote:
Mark,

Do any of the circuit breakers trip in the control box?

My main one was always tripping until I upped the amperage by turning the
red screw on the breaker.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of sabbatical3
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] watermaker feed pump problem (160 l/h)





Hi:

I had the shaft of my feed pump shaft reground and new seals installed. I
left a marina last week and tested the watermaker at the first anchorage. It
worked great -- the low pressure gauge was well into the green (before it
had been orange) and the system produced good quality water (I have an
inline sensor with display). However, after 10 minutes the system shut down
with the red alarm light on. Since then, the best I can do is get the feed
pump to come on for 2 seconds before it shuts down and the red alarm light
comes on, and most of the time it does not start up at all, just the red
alarm light comes on.

I have tested all of the electricals on the pump and in the control box
(including the logic board) and everything seems fine except that I am not
getting 24V power to the relay. If I use the blue "relay manual activation
lever" the pump works and seems to produce a good flow of sea water. The
capacitor on the pump tests fine, and in any case, the pump runs well with
the manual over-ride, with the pressure gauge well into the green.

There was a big fish stuck in the sea strainer after the system shut down
the only time it ran with the renovated pump, but removing it did not make a
difference. I am not sure how this might matter.

Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? The boat has just come off of 10
months on the hard in the tropics. I used a very dilute pickling solution
before leaving her.

Thanks for any ideas.

Mark Pitt
S/V Sabbatical III, ASM #419
currently in Penang, Malaysia





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kimberlite--remove small kimberlite photos

eric <kimberlite@...>
 

There are two kimberlite photo entries. one has 6 photos that I would like to delete. how do i do that?
thanks
fair winds
eric
sm 376 kimnerlite.
how to change the veneer on the companionay

eric <kimberlite@...>
 

If you remove the stops on the door you can raise it up to the dodger with a
foot of space under the door with it open all the way. You will see in the photos a piece of wood holding
the door up.



I made a rail that I clamped parallel to the edge of the door which is shown
in the photos.

It is the same height as the door rails. This allowed me to rout right up to
the rails where the door slides.

I had to find an extra long router bit for this.

This also allowed me to rout the door deeper than the veneer to accommodate
the thicker Formica. After some sanding and making a template it fit
perfectly and is a nice match to the teak, once I re do the teak.



The entire panel was replaced except the small area that is under the area
where the door slides up and down.



I am not worried about this area as it is out of the sun and is never seen.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite
Re: [Amel] Removing companion way door

Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
 

I posted some photos how we companionway laminate along with a commentary

The photos are in the photo section in the large Kimberlite file. They are
the last photos.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Ken Simons
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 10:14 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Removing companion way door





Hello Amel group,,,
The lamination on the companion way door has been removed,and
we would like to replace it...... Is there a way to remove the door without
TAKING OFF the whole winshield and dodger ??????? Also we are still looking
for a new home for her...... Ill have all the specs and photos this week
ready to send....

Thanks Ken Simons
Removing companion way door

Ken Simons <svmakai007@...>
 

Hello Amel group,,,
              The lamination on the companion way door has been removed,and we would like to replace it...... Is there a way to remove the door without TAKING OFF the whole winshield and dodger ??????? Also we are still looking for a new home for her...... Ill have all the specs and photos this week ready to send....
 
                 Thanks          Ken Simons
Re: [Amel] Mast angle SM BIT MORE ABOUT MAST RAKE

Barbara Nairne
 

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From: Ian & Judy Jenkins <ianjudyjenkins@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sunday, 21 October 2012 5:19 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Mast angle SM


 


Hi Mike, We have just had our rig retensioned by Amel in Hyeres. We had replaced our first genoa with a smaller one when we sailed in Chile but now that we are in the Med we reverted to a full size, 71 sq m version. Having done so, we experienced a lot of oscillation on unfurling the new genoa, less so while furling. The forestay was too slack. The Amel guys have put a lot of tension back by tightening up on the back stay and this has largely solved the oscillation issue. After they had tensioned the backstay I noticed that there was a slight aft bend in the main mast, only noticeable by standing at the foot of the mast and sighting up it.I asked the Amel guys about this and they said a slight aft bend was fine. It certainly seems to be. We have sailed about 600 miles since, recently returning from Hyeres to Ragusa in Sicily, a wonderful passage with the wind either on the beam or the quarter anywhere between 15 and 30 knots true, so no windward sailing
so far. In these conditions I have not detected any different in the rudder performance. Fair winds, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Ragusa, Sicily

To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
From: mailto:goughs_au%40yahoo.com.au
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:16:01 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Mast angle SM

Hi all, I have SM 378 (formerly "Antares"). Just had the riggers replace a headstay. I notice the fore/aft mast angle has been altered slightly. Previously the yacht performed OK. While the wind is fwd of the beam and up to 15kts, zero rudder. 15 to 20 kts up to 7 degrees rudder (counteract wx helm) and after that I need to think about reducing sail. The further aft the mast(s) are sloped the more weather helm is increased. Does anyone have any thoughts on where AMEL set their masts at delivery? Also I assume that the SM main and mizzen masts have zero aft mast bend or rake as I think it is called.
Regards,
Mike



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Re: [Amel] Osmosis

nezih nezih
 

Ty. I dint buy that boat Tirnanog. Reparing cost was too much. And I had to wait a few month to dry the hull.
I found another maramu in St Martin  newst age ,more cheaper and more clean.
Regards
Nezih
Mahayana AM88

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From: Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Osmosis


 
Sorry for your bad luck. It MUST be noted that any fiberglass yacht that was built before 1993 and has spent its life in warm water will most likely has blisters. In most cases they can be repaired professionally.
Regards SM209 at a lower price in Annapolis.

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 17, 2012, at 13:10, "Anne and John Hollamby" <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Nezih,
Very sorry to see your bad experience. We were moored alongside Tirnanog probably five or six years ago when the British owners were Jo and Pete and seemed very nice. They went on to Turkey where Pete took a course to become an instructor teaching on sailing courses for Yachtmaster etc we think in Bodrum or Marmaris. We think Jo returned to the UK and he stayed on teaching. Their Email address was sytirnanogataol.com and we have a phone no +905342449750.
We are surprised to see that there was osmosis as most Amels seem to escape this curse. Olivier at Amel told us that they felt that the use of high pressure washing at very close range could be a possible cause.

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319, Malta

From: nezih nezih
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:05 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners

Merhaba Bill
Ty for your interest .Im an amel maramu owner since 1 year. Actually I couldnt do so much saling with this boat .I found this boat from Neatherland antilles in St.Martin.It was good price. But ex owner didnt care the boat. I needed to fixing and reparing since 1 year. And my english is not enough to understand tecnical problems. And Im not much experienced.I need to meet turkish friends who can explain me some problems on the boat in my language.Maybe?

Before this boat I lived a very worst event in marmaris. I was fell in love with amel maramu :) I found one in Marmaris-Turkiye name Tirnanog . The owner and the broker had cheated me .They belived me that amels dont have osmosis . After contract I lifted boat on land I spend alot of money sanded until gellcoat there was about 8-10 coats of antifouling . I saw osmosis blistering all around the hull. And there was a very big damage on the portside .I gave up to buy that boat. And the owner and the broker didnt pay my deposite back to me.They made the contrac ın english and wrote there responsible court is London. I missed this section .Im still hate them.
Anyway, Im happy now to have an amel maramu now. But need to much knowlodge about maramu's.I know there are alot ın amelowners group.But my poor english makes me nervous.
I also need to know ex owners of my boat. I changed the name as Mahayana. Old names was Angie and Argelita. I asked to Amel but they dont have any knowledge about them.
Nice to meet you.
See you again
Nezih
Mahayana AM 88

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From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:47 AM
Subject: [Amel] Turkish Amel Owners



Merhaba Nezih,

I do not know the names, but Riza Cagdas Cakir cagdas"at"emekmarin.com possibly does know the names. The next time I speak to him, I will ask him and email you directly.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, nezih nezih <mahayana2004@...> wrote:


Hi Judy and Bill
Im Turkish and have Amel maramu sailing at Caribbeans.
Do you know Turkish Amel owners ın Turkey.Who are they ? I should like to meet them ıf you have their contact adress like an email.
Ty ıf you can ınterest?,
Best wishes
NezihÂ
StMartin Mahayana 88

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From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:42 AM
Subject: [Amel] Authorized Amel Service Representative in Turkey


Â

I learned that this year there were 63 Amels that visited Turkey and there are 2 Amels owned by Turkish citizens.

I also found an authorized Amel service representative in Gocek, Turkey. His company is also authorized to service Nordhavn Yachts. He is authorized to perform warranty service for these two brands.

I previously had an experience with the Amel service rep in Marmaris, Turkey. Although I know people who recommend the Amel service rep in Marmaris, I cannot recommend him because of a poor experience I had with him.

I am very impressed with the company and the people in Gocek, Turkey. It is Emek Marin Ltd.Sti and is managed by Riza Cagdas Cakir, the grandson of the founder. Yes, three generations!

Emek Marin has a 2,500 sq meter fabrication and machine shop with lathes and all types of machinery. They can literally do anything mechanical and can fabricate anything. They have service technicians that work in Gocek and in the yard at Gocek.

We have decided to haulout BeBe next year in Gocek with Emek Marin not only because I am impressed, but also because the haulout costs are less than anywhere else in Turkey that I am aware of. In fact, I believe it is the best price in Turkey. I asked Riza why the price was less. He said he negotiates for 25 to 50 haulouts with several facilities, then based on their service and price he refers all of his clients to his number 1 choice.

Riza grew up in his father's and grandfather's business, he is in his late twenties and has a PhD in Marine Engineering. If you own an Amel and are in Turkey, you must meet him in person, by email, or by phone. I am certain that you will not regret meeting him, and in a short discussion with him, I am certain you will learn something...I learned a lot!

Regarding his fabrication capabilities, I saw photographs of some of his work. I was really impressed with a fold-down swim platform and swim ladder that does not interfere with the steps or the rear bumper...pretty ingenious. You have to ask him about this if you have a SM.

If you are in Turkey and are looking for a winter haulout, any sort of maintenance or repair, fabrication of anything made from metal or fiberglass, painting, rigging, gelcoat repair, or antifouling; I suggest that you contact Riza.

Contact Information is:
Riza Cagdas Cakir
Marine Engineer

Emek Marin Ltd.Sti
Iskele mah 62b 48310
Gocek/Mugla/Turkey
Tel: +90252 645 2468
cagdas"at"emekmarin.com
http://www.emekmarin.com(their new website is under construction)

I know this must sound like a commercial, and I apologize if I am coming across that way. I have no commercial connection with Riza or his company. I do get excited when I find someone like him.

Hope this will help someone.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Fethiye, Turkey

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Re: Rain,rain...go away...Maramu 1989

jjjk12s <jjjk12s@...>
 

Ross,

I have recently redone all the vinyl in the heads and removed and re-installed the gromet in the process. It was a tight secure fit but if for some reason it has been removed and not sealed in properly (that is if the wall linings have been replaced) water could track around it.

You could also make sure the seal between the shower pan and the wall is good underneath the gromet. I have used a neat bead of sealant around the edge of the pan to stop that water or shower water getting under the pan. On my maramu there is a space around the shower pan moulding under the sink for the pipes to the sink and I think freshwater can get down there when the shower is used vigorously (ie the kids!). So maybe not all the freshwater that gets into that space is from the rain..

I have seen some hard shade/covers for the small side hatches otherwise a sunbrella shade can help stop rain getting in the deck hatches, or there are designs for a sunbella cover with baffles to stop rain even in windy conditions. I find the forced air ventilation uses too much electricity for me so I have installed some Caframo fans.

May the sun always shine!

Regards, John Maramu #91 Popeye, Port Douglas (four hundred mils of rain in one day this May)

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "rossny@..." <rossny@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I have two concerns (problems) with rainwater entering the boat.
#1- in the forward head, just under the mast there is a metal (s/s)grommet on the bottom of the wire raceway. Rainwater is dripping and going down the vinyl covering the wall and going around the shower pan collecting underneath in the bilge. I shoved a plastic barb in the "grommet" with some tubing leading the water into the shower pan. Is it normal for the mast to leak ? Was a hose there originally ? What is the purpose of the metal "grommet" ? Do I need to re-step the mast ?
#2- every hatch on the boat lets in water when it rains unless the hatch is closed tight. How do YOU get ventilation when it's raining ? Do I need to install covers ?
Thank you all in advance for your comments!!!
Re: Mast angle SM

Dave_Benjamin
 

Mike,

Joel Potter gave me the distinct impression that your mast should have zero rake. I would have the rigger restore your rake setting to zero.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "goughs_au" <goughs_au@...> wrote:

Hi all, I have SM 378 (formerly "Antares"). Just had the riggers replace a headstay. I notice the fore/aft mast angle has been altered slightly. Previously the yacht performed OK. While the wind is fwd of the beam and up to 15kts, zero rudder. 15 to 20 kts up to 7 degrees rudder (counteract wx helm) and after that I need to think about reducing sail. The further aft the mast(s) are sloped the more weather helm is increased. Does anyone have any thoughts on where AMEL set their masts at delivery? Also I assume that the SM main and mizzen masts have zero aft mast bend or rake as I think it is called.
Regards,
Mike
Re: [Amel] Re: Rain,rain...go away...Maramu 1989

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi there is a weep hole at the top of the forward head that when delivered had a small hose/tube down to the shower pan.

Under the mast there was a U in the wires that sets in a collection box/pan that collects any water or droppings it has to be cleaned out from time to time or water will end up in the bilge.

Let us know show you have more questions. My phone is below.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Oct 20, 2012, at 15:10, "Joel F Potter" <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Further to Mike's comments (both Ross and Mike were unfortunate enough to
have endured me as their broker), the drain hole that goes horizontally from
the starboard side to the port side and then to the grommet, often get
plugged up with various types of debris. Here in Fort Lauderdale it is the
fruit seeds that pass through our avian friends as they lounge on the
spreaders and triadic stay. Be sure the drain paths are kept clear or you
can get some really nasty rot potential as Mike mentions.

It is important that all of us Amel owners spend a few days with the new
caretakers when we sell them our boats to educate them on all the unique
stuff Amel boats have that others don't, and to make them familiar with the
subtleties of all the systems. I do this for my used Amel boat clients much
the same as Amel does for our new boat clients in La Rochelle on a new
delivery. This is so very important!

Ross, I offered to come over and spend a day on your boat while you were on
the hard in that nasty shipyard but you declined my offer as you had two
days of stuff to do and only a day and a half to do it all.The offer still
stands if you want some assistance.

All the best,

Joel

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of goughs_au
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Rain,rain...go away...Maramu 1989

I have owned a 1984 Maramu, similar problem.....rainwater in the fwd bilge
adjasent the head. Sorry did not find out exactly how it got there but
suspected via the mast. One thing I do know though is freshwater in that
area can be dangerous. I had to do extensive repairs to remove dry rot that
was approaching the compression post. (caused by ingress of fresh water).
Good luck!

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "rossny@..." <rossny@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I have two concerns (problems) with rainwater entering the boat.
#1- in the forward head, just under the mast there is a metal (s/s)grommet
on the bottom of the wire raceway. Rainwater is dripping and going down the
vinyl covering the wall and going around the shower pan collecting
underneath in the bilge. I shoved a plastic barb in the "grommet" with some
tubing leading the water into the shower pan. Is it normal for the mast to
leak ? Was a hose there originally ? What is the purpose of the metal
"grommet" ? Do I need to re-step the mast ?
#2- every hatch on the boat lets in water when it rains unless the hatch
is closed tight. How do YOU get ventilation when it's raining ? Do I need to
install covers ?
Thank you all in advance for your comments!!!
Re: [Amel] Mast angle SM

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Mike, We have just had our rig retensioned by Amel in Hyeres. We had replaced our first genoa with a smaller one when we sailed in Chile but now that we are in the Med we reverted to a full size, 71 sq m version. Having done so, we experienced a lot of oscillation on unfurling the new genoa, less so while furling. The forestay was too slack. The Amel guys have put a lot of tension back by tightening up on the back stay and this has largely solved the oscillation issue. After they had tensioned the backstay I noticed that there was a slight aft bend in the main mast, only noticeable by standing at the foot of the mast and sighting up it.I asked the Amel guys about this and they said a slight aft bend was fine. It certainly seems to be. We have sailed about 600 miles since, recently returning from Hyeres to Ragusa in Sicily, a wonderful passage with the wind either on the beam or the quarter anywhere between 15 and 30 knots true, so no windward sailing so far. In these conditions I have not detected any different in the rudder performance. Fair winds, Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Ragusa, Sicily

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: goughs_au@...
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:16:01 +0000
Subject: [Amel] Mast angle SM

Hi all, I have SM 378 (formerly "Antares"). Just had the riggers replace a headstay. I notice the fore/aft mast angle has been altered slightly. Previously the yacht performed OK. While the wind is fwd of the beam and up to 15kts, zero rudder. 15 to 20 kts up to 7 degrees rudder (counteract wx helm) and after that I need to think about reducing sail. The further aft the mast(s) are sloped the more weather helm is increased. Does anyone have any thoughts on where AMEL set their masts at delivery? Also I assume that the SM main and mizzen masts have zero aft mast bend or rake as I think it is called.
Regards,
Mike



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Re: [Amel] Re: Rain,rain...go away...Maramu 1989

amelforme
 

Further to Mike's comments (both Ross and Mike were unfortunate enough to
have endured me as their broker), the drain hole that goes horizontally from
the starboard side to the port side and then to the grommet, often get
plugged up with various types of debris. Here in Fort Lauderdale it is the
fruit seeds that pass through our avian friends as they lounge on the
spreaders and triadic stay. Be sure the drain paths are kept clear or you
can get some really nasty rot potential as Mike mentions.

It is important that all of us Amel owners spend a few days with the new
caretakers when we sell them our boats to educate them on all the unique
stuff Amel boats have that others don't, and to make them familiar with the
subtleties of all the systems. I do this for my used Amel boat clients much
the same as Amel does for our new boat clients in La Rochelle on a new
delivery. This is so very important!

Ross, I offered to come over and spend a day on your boat while you were on
the hard in that nasty shipyard but you declined my offer as you had two
days of stuff to do and only a day and a half to do it all.The offer still
stands if you want some assistance.



All the best,

Joel



Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...





From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of goughs_au
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:53 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Rain,rain...go away...Maramu 1989







I have owned a 1984 Maramu, similar problem.....rainwater in the fwd bilge
adjasent the head. Sorry did not find out exactly how it got there but
suspected via the mast. One thing I do know though is freshwater in that
area can be dangerous. I had to do extensive repairs to remove dry rot that
was approaching the compression post. (caused by ingress of fresh water).
Good luck!

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "rossny@..." <rossny@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I have two concerns (problems) with rainwater entering the boat.
#1- in the forward head, just under the mast there is a metal (s/s)grommet
on the bottom of the wire raceway. Rainwater is dripping and going down the
vinyl covering the wall and going around the shower pan collecting
underneath in the bilge. I shoved a plastic barb in the "grommet" with some
tubing leading the water into the shower pan. Is it normal for the mast to
leak ? Was a hose there originally ? What is the purpose of the metal
"grommet" ? Do I need to re-step the mast ?
#2- every hatch on the boat lets in water when it rains unless the hatch
is closed tight. How do YOU get ventilation when it's raining ? Do I need to
install covers ?
Thank you all in advance for your comments!!!
Re: [Amel] Rain,rain...go away...Maramu 1989

amelforme
 

Hello Ross. The grommet is the end of a water drain system as designed by
Amel. If you have a mast on a boat that has wiring for lights and
electronics (such as wind instruments) that communicate with the inside of
the boat, you have a very great potential for water leaks. I must add here
that everyone I have ever shown an Amel to over the last 32 years will
either be smiling or rolling their eyes with this story. You should be too
as I told it to you those many years ago when I showed you the Super Maramu
with your buddy here in Fort Lauderdale. How do I know I told you this? If I
got you inside of and Amel during a sales showing, I told this story. To
everyone. Always.

Inside, just forward of the watertight door starboard side, there is a
vertical door/flap up on the overhead. Open it. You will see the wires from
the mast come out and go down into an open top box-like structure and then
come up and out and go to the connection terminals. See how clean and shiny
the connections are? That's because all the water that gets into the mast
from rain or big seas comes out the same place the wires do. Because the
wires go DOWN into the box and then back UP again, the water goes into the
box as water will not flow/climb "up". The water from this area as well as a
similar area on the portside eventually drains from these boxes (which are
called watertraps) through the grommet. The water is then supposed to drain
into the shower sump and then into the bilge sump in the engine room where
it belongs.

Adjust the horizontal grommet so the water drips into the shower sump pan or
stick in a very short length of appropriately sized tubing so it will drain
properly instead of dribbling down the head bulkhead. The drip drip drip
noise can make those in the forward cabin get a little crazy so beware.



I believe your boat has a pressurized fresh air ventilation system. It did
when it was built. The controls are over the stove in the galley area. This
will help when the boat is battened down. For tropical areas, shrouded hatch
covers can be a life saver. Copy some on a fellow cruisers boat that have
been proven to him (and to you) to work as many look sweet but work poorly.



Have fun with your Amel.



All the best,

Joel





Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...





From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of rossny@...
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 2:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Rain,rain...go away...Maramu 1989





Hi all,
I have two concerns (problems) with rainwater entering the boat.
#1- in the forward head, just under the mast there is a metal (s/s)grommet
on the bottom of the wire raceway. Rainwater is dripping and going down the
vinyl covering the wall and going around the shower pan collecting
underneath in the bilge. I shoved a plastic barb in the "grommet" with some
tubing leading the water into the shower pan. Is it normal for the mast to
leak ? Was a hose there originally ? What is the purpose of the metal
"grommet" ? Do I need to re-step the mast ?
#2- every hatch on the boat lets in water when it rains unless the hatch is
closed tight. How do YOU get ventilation when it's raining ? Do I need to
install covers ?
Thank you all in advance for your comments!!!
Re: Rain,rain...go away...Maramu 1989

goughs_au <goughs_au@...>
 

I have owned a 1984 Maramu, similar problem.....rainwater in the fwd bilge adjasent the head. Sorry did not find out exactly how it got there but suspected via the mast. One thing I do know though is freshwater in that area can be dangerous. I had to do extensive repairs to remove dry rot that was approaching the compression post. (caused by ingress of fresh water). Good luck!

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "rossny@..." <rossny@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I have two concerns (problems) with rainwater entering the boat.
#1- in the forward head, just under the mast there is a metal (s/s)grommet on the bottom of the wire raceway. Rainwater is dripping and going down the vinyl covering the wall and going around the shower pan collecting underneath in the bilge. I shoved a plastic barb in the "grommet" with some tubing leading the water into the shower pan. Is it normal for the mast to leak ? Was a hose there originally ? What is the purpose of the metal "grommet" ? Do I need to re-step the mast ?
#2- every hatch on the boat lets in water when it rains unless the hatch is closed tight. How do YOU get ventilation when it's raining ? Do I need to install covers ?
Thank you all in advance for your comments!!!
Rain,rain...go away...Maramu 1989

rossny@mail.com
 

Hi all,
I have two concerns (problems) with rainwater entering the boat.
#1- in the forward head, just under the mast there is a metal (s/s)grommet on the bottom of the wire raceway. Rainwater is dripping and going down the vinyl covering the wall and going around the shower pan collecting underneath in the bilge. I shoved a plastic barb in the "grommet" with some tubing leading the water into the shower pan. Is it normal for the mast to leak ? Was a hose there originally ? What is the purpose of the metal "grommet" ? Do I need to re-step the mast ?
#2- every hatch on the boat lets in water when it rains unless the hatch is closed tight. How do YOU get ventilation when it's raining ? Do I need to install covers ?
Thank you all in advance for your comments!!!
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