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loose gooseneck

Mark Hayden
 

I had a rigger come by today to do an annual rigging check. He though the booms on both the main and mizzen wobbled too much. He believes the gooseneck has worn to become somewhat loose. He recommends drilling out the hole and inserting bushings to reduce/eliminate the wobble.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this (Joel...)? Is this an Amel-ism that should be left as-is? Or it something that should be fixed? Has anyone had this operation done?

Thanks in advance!

best, Mark
SM2K 331


Re: New sails for supermaramu 2k

Mark Hayden
 

I'll second Miles. In 2011 I was in Fiji realized it was time for new sails. I contacted Doyle in Auckland and they got the design and made new sails (genoa, main, mizzen, and ballooner) without coming near the boat. They have been great for about 10k nm of sailing.

The only issue was that the bolt ropes didn't extend all the way to the foot of the sails as I believe they did on the original, which causes the foot of the ballooner to flap a little.

regards, Mark
SM2K 331

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Miles Bidwell" wrote:

Six years ago I bought a set of sail from Gateff Sails in Toulon, France
(Sails Gateff is now part of Doyle Sails). Gateff makes the sails as large
as is physically possible-significantly larger than the factory
specifications. He used Hydra Net sail material which he said was the best.
(You can find out about this material on the internet.)

After a transatlantic and more, the sails look like new with absolutely no
sign of any stretching, the light air performance of the boat is
much improved, and it tacks through a smaller angle. If anyone is
interested, when Doyle bought Sails Gateff, Doyle acquired the computer
programs that run the sail cutting machine so they should be able to
duplicate the size and shape of these sails. The sails are all radial cut
and the shape of the jib can only be described as being beautiful.

Regards,

Miles (SM 216 Ladybug), now on the hard in Newport, RI



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Re: [Amel] Original Standing Rigging Sizes...Sharki

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Hi Mark,
Main cap shrouds 7mm
Main lowers 7mm
Forestay and backstay 8mm
 
Mizzen, (very oddly) 5.5mm
I used 6mm replacement on the mizzen.
 
I wonder why dyform as the original wire and pin sizes are really well over engineered, perhaps it was to  reduce windage and make her sail faster:-)
 
Regards,
Graham    Sharki No.181


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From: sharki41 <hannamj@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 18 January 2013, 6:19
Subject: [Amel] Original Standing Rigging Sizes...Sharki


 

Could someone please tell me what size was the original standing rigging on a Sharki ? My boat was re-rigged by the previous owners with Dyform wire rope. The main shrouds are 7mm and the main forstay and backstay are 8mm. The mizzen is rigged in 6mm Dyform. Norseman fittings are used everywhere.
Thank You.
Mark ( Amel Sharki, No. 49 )




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Original Standing Rigging Sizes...Sharki

marksharki
 

Could someone please tell me what size was the original standing rigging on a Sharki ? My boat was re-rigged by the previous owners with Dyform wire rope. The main shrouds are 7mm and the main forstay and backstay are 8mm. The mizzen is rigged in 6mm Dyform. Norseman fittings are used everywhere.
Thank You.
Mark ( Amel Sharki, No. 49 )


Re: [Amel] Refit of Too much Interior

Conn Williamson <connwilliamson@...>
 

I Think the portlights look fantastic down there. Top marks
 
Conn Williamson ,Jasmyn


________________________________
From: Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 5:00 PM
Subject: [Amel] Refit of Too much Interior


 

Wow ,

what an amazing and beautiful job,

I have a few questions.

What are the cut out on either side of the sink for?

What did you do with the dishwasher , and washing machine.

Who did this refit?
Where did you get the matching mahogany.

Just a magnificent job.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jean Paillardon
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 9:47 PM
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] lifting of SM

Hello,
My boat name is "Too Much" (SM #366). I did some alteration inside the boat.

Click on
http://www.nathape.com/res/Marz2012MalaysiaThailand/20120815sytoomuch360.swf
to visit ...

Too Much or not Too Much ?!

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Re: Grounding problem? (going with tester in engine room)

ferruccilorenzo <ferruccilorenzo@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" wrote:

Lorenzo,

There is not enough information here for me to give you an opinion. Did you solve your Mass red light problem that you had earlier?
Hi Bill and first of all thank you for patience. The mass problem was in the 24V alternator. the mechanic had removed it to control and probably reassembled incorrectly. I have disassembled and reassembled, and now everything works.

It seems as though you have some issue with the internal ground (bonding system).
Do You think that could be a problem of galvanic current? From which test should I begin in Your opinion?

Also, without knowing what kind of meter and what range you have the meter set at, I think a "few" ohms is reasonable to cover meter error and paint or other non-conductive material where you have connected the tester wires.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387


Lorenzo
SM 2K hull n°420 "Red Passion".
Now in Livorno (Mediterranean Sea)


Re: lifting of SM

tfgbiz <tfgbiz@...>
 

wow congratulation
i have a few Q too..
did youmade a refit of all cabins or only the saloon
and where they did this amazing job? malayzia otr thailand
br
janos

--- In amelyachtowners@..., jean Paillardon wrote:

Hello,
My boat name is "Too Much" (SM #366). I did some alteration inside the boat.

Click on http://www.nathape.com/res/Marz2012MalaysiaThailand/20120815sytoomuch360.swf to visit ...

Too Much or not Too Much ?!



old maramu chain

rossny@mail.com
 

Hi, happy new year to all !!!Questions for old maramu owners. What size
is the metric(?) chain that was supplied from Amel? Original lenth
supplied? I do not see a manufacturer name or model number on the
windless or a number for chain size on the drum. I have cleaned up the
rust on the chain but do not know if 30 year old chain (if original)can
be trusted. Thanks,Ross1989 Maramu #261


Re: Grounding problem? (going with tester in engine room)

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Lorenzo,

There is not enough information here for me to give you an opinion. Did you solve your Mass red light problem that you had earlier?

It seems as though you have some issue with the internal ground (bonding system).

Also, without knowing what kind of meter and what range you have the meter set at, I think a "few" ohms is reasonable to cover meter error and paint or other non-conductive material where you have connected the tester wires.

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "ferruccilorenzo" wrote:



With the 24V alternator disconnected from the electrical system, I tested the resistance with a tester between the black cable from the battery service (normally connected to the alternator) and the metal frame of the motor. The electrician told me that the resistance would have to be nothing, but in my case it is several Ohm. In your experience, this mean anything to you? There may be a problem of grounding in your opinion?

Thank you and I wish you fairwinds!

Lorenzo
SM 2K hull n°420 "Red Passion".
Now in Livorno (Mediterranean Sea)


Refit of Too much Interior

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

Wow ,

what an amazing and beautiful job,

I have a few questions.

What are the cut out on either side of the sink for?

What did you do with the dishwasher , and washing machine.

Who did this refit?
Where did you get the matching mahogany.

Just a magnificent job.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of jean Paillardon
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 9:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] lifting of SM





Hello,
My boat name is "Too Much" (SM #366). I did some alteration inside the boat.


Click on
http://www.nathape.com/res/Marz2012MalaysiaThailand/20120815sytoomuch360.swf
to visit ...

Too Much or not Too Much ?!


Re: [Amel] New sails for supermaramu 2k

Dave_Benjamin
 

As some of you know, I'm a Maramu owner (#29) and owner of Island Planet Sails.

For sailmakers, in-mast furling mainsails are some of the simplest sails to design and build. As Joel Potter points out, Amel kept the rig sizes very consistent so there's not a lot of variation. Some information is available direct from Amel.

From a design standpoint, our principal concern is getting luff curve correct. Given the nature of a furling main with foil captive inside the mast, it's quite simple. We can measure the distance between the foil and the mast extrusion to give us a maximum sag measurement.

Luff, leech, and foot are the basic measurements of a sail. For a furling main or mizzen, the other considerations are how far up from the tack and down from the head to stop the tape.

With furling mainsails/mizzens, we don't have a wide range of adjustability like we do with conventional mains flown from more adjustable rigs. As a result, design work is pretty straight forward.

Headsails are more challenging to design. For an Amel, the first question I ask is if the downind poles are utilized. If the downwind poles are in use, then that drives the design to a large extent. If the downwind poles aren't in use, there is more flexibility in the design. As an industry we're moving away from very large genoas and towards innovative light air sails typically flown from their own foil-less furler. There's no reason not to join twin headsails on a common luff and fly those from their own furler. In fact, we're hoping to do that with our own boat as budget allows. That will free us from carrying the large genoa and allow for a more efficient and more easily managed headsail.

Amongst cruisers, there is a bit of a bias against laminate sails. The technology has come a long way and the complaints of 10 years ago simply aren't reality today. There's a lot of enthusiasm for HydraNet (a woven with Dyneema) which is an excellent product, but it's not the only solution for a long lasting sail with excellent shape retention. Personally I'm not keen on radial cut mainsails and mizzen sails simply because so much of the material ends up in the rubbish bin. Why pay for so much wasted material when there's more efficient construction methods to be utilized?

Having built sails for Amel's, I can tell you that there is no great mystery or magic formula. For mainsails and mizzens, any competent sailmaker can provide a good sail. For headsails, it is helpful if the sailmaker is versed with the Amel pole system if the boat uses downwind poles. Otherwise the headsail design should be optimized for the type of sailing anticipated, experience level of the owners, and the type of auto-pilot fitted. The fullness or flatness of the entry of the sail will vary from boat to boat.

A cookie cutter approach does not serve individual owners well.


Grounding problem? (going with tester in engine room)

ferruccilorenzo <ferruccilorenzo@...>
 

With the 24V alternator disconnected from the electrical system, I tested the resistance with a tester between the black cable from the battery service (normally connected to the alternator) and the metal frame of the motor. The electrician told me that the resistance would have to be nothing, but in my case it is several Ohm. In your experience, this mean anything to you? There may be a problem of grounding in your opinion?

Thank you and I wish you fairwinds!

Lorenzo
SM 2K hull n°420 "Red Passion".
Now in Livorno (Mediterranean Sea)


Re: Rép. : [Amel] Re: New sails for supermaramu 2k

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Hi Joel,
 
I have had a few sails made and even remade for previous boats, with various experience.
 
When I decided to chage the genoa on my Mango, there were many opportunities , from cheap Hong Kong sails to great name sailmakers. Not sure about who had made the sails for my Mango, as my boat was laying in the Old Port of Marseille for a few months, I decided to call on the original sailmaker for my boat and invited him aboard. I beleive he was living close to Hyere!
 
He came aboard and was astonished how much he knew the boat , its caracteristics and idiosyncrasy... In one word, it felt, as seemingly he developped a knowledge of the boat, sailing with The Capt'ain, he knew the boat and its sailing caracteristics.
 
I was truly impressed and he made observations that I had never heard from any sailmaker. He knew details of why the furling tube on the headstay, had been welded, what was to  be expected from the boat in various winds, confirming my layman experience. He also tought me that a very popular technique to reduce sails aboard a ketch ( I had often used it on the ketch and a yawl previously owned) which consists in furling the main and relying on the genoa  and the mizzeen, was not as efficient as maintaining the 3 sails up, and reducing same and all of them, as needed, thus keeping the same ketch profile for which the boat was configured.
 
He gave me a lot of information on my boat and more on the Amel Yard.
 
His sail was not inexpensive, but not only is it still in perfect shape after my stay in the Caribbeans, for the last 6 years,( where I have been sailing after using the sails for another 3 years in the Med) resisting well to the sun, the rain, the streching and the mildew.
 
Meanwhile I have had fellow Amel owners  buy new sails or recut their sails from all the possible sailmakers (including those who have a sail loft in many islands) offering their services in Martinique and in the Caribbean, from St-Martin to Trinidad and Venezuela.
 
Many complained, I never had to.
 
I own no interest in the Gateff sailoft, but can testify, it was the best ... for me!!!

This is as much as I can explain...
 
regards,
 
Serge V/Opera
 
Mango #51


--- En date de : Dim, 13.1.13, Joel Potter <jfpottercys@...> a écrit :


De : Joel Potter <jfpottercys@...>
Objet : Re: Rép. : [Amel] Re: New sails for supermaramu 2k
À : "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: dimanche 13 janvier 2013 18 h 45



 



Serge, after reading your post about Gateff, I am not so sure about what you meant with your long last sentence. Could you please help me understand?

Joel F. Potter
954 812 2485
iPhone

On Jan 13, 2013, at 5:16 PM, Serge Tremblay laetitiaii@...> wrote:

Hi

I bought a hydranet genoa from Mr Gateff, wonderfull and dedicated sailmaker whose enterprise was then a subsidiary of Bic (recall the America's cup chalenge).

I have sailed many thousand of miles, the sail has not deformed, looks like new, would recommenf Gateff sails to anyone and if the enterprise is now under Doyle and they have retained the knowledge base... this is the best choice over any fast talking, cheap drawing, even if sincere and honest, sailmaker not knowing that a Amel may be a stubburn mule if not properly dressed...

Serge, V/ Opera

Mango #51

--- En date de : Dim, 13.1.13, Miles Bidwell mbidwell@...> a écrit :

De : Miles Bidwell mbidwell@...>
Objet : [Amel] Re: New sails for supermaramu 2k
À : amelyachtowners@...
Date: dimanche 13 janvier 2013 16 h 12



Six years ago I bought a set of sail from Gateff Sails in Toulon, France
(Sails Gateff is now part of Doyle Sails). Gateff makes the sails as large
as is physically possible-significantly larger than the factory
specifications. He used Hydra Net sail material which he said was the best.
(You can find out about this material on the internet.)

After a transatlantic and more, the sails look like new with absolutely no
sign of any stretching, the light air performance of the boat is
much improved, and it tacks through a smaller angle. If anyone is
interested, when Doyle bought Sails Gateff, Doyle acquired the computer
programs that run the sail cutting machine so they should be able to
duplicate the size and shape of these sails. The sails are all radial cut
and the shape of the jib can only be described as being beautiful.

Regards,

Miles (SM 216 Ladybug), now on the hard in Newport, RI



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Re: lifting of SM

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jean,

Very nice. Do you have a bill of materials and list of contractors? If you can share that, please email to bill"at"svbebe.com

Best,

Bill
BeBe, SM2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@..., jean Paillardon wrote:

Hello,
My boat name is "Too Much" (SM #366). I did some alteration inside the boat.

Click on http://www.nathape.com/res/Marz2012MalaysiaThailand/20120815sytoomuch360.swf to visit ...

Too Much or not Too Much ?!



Re: [Amel] lifting of SM

Kimberly Cerillo <kcvabeach@...>
 

Wow, stunning. We like what you did very much.



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of jean Paillardon
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 10:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] lifting of SM





Hello,
My boat name is "Too Much" (SM #366). I did some alteration inside the boat.


Click on
http://www.nathape.com/res/Marz2012MalaysiaThailand/20120815sytoomuch360.swf
to visit ...

Too Much or not Too Much ?!


Re: [Amel] lifting of SM

Patrick McAneny
 

Jean, Great design and craftmanship, not too much in my opinion. Did you do
the design and work yourself?

Good Job,

Pat SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel] lifting of SM

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Jean,

If Amel produced this type of clean uncluttered interior, they would have sold too many boats!!

Looks very nice indeed.

Jean-Pierre
No Amel yet..


On 15 Jan 2013, at 03:46, jean Paillardon wrote:

Hello,
My boat name is "Too Much" (SM #366). I did some alteration inside the boat.

Click on http://www.nathape.com/res/Marz2012MalaysiaThailand/20120815sytoomuch360.swf to visit ...

Too Much or not Too Much ?!

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Jean-Pierre Germain
Director Flight Operations
NOCLAF Limited
+44 7825 635 917
JPGermain@...


lifting of SM

jean Paillardon <jean.paillardon@...>
 

Hello,
My boat name is "Too Much" (SM #366). I did some alteration inside the boat.

Click on http://www.nathape.com/res/Marz2012MalaysiaThailand/20120815sytoomuch360.swf to visit ...

Too Much or not Too Much ?!


Re: [Amel] Re: New sails for supermaramu 2k

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Miles
Danny

From: Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2013 6:42 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: New sails for supermaramu 2k

 
Hi Danny,

The jib is significantly larger. But somehow it keeps its good shape when
partly furled-maybe helped by the radial cut. The jib is 71 square meters
and the main is 39 square meters. This is larger than the Amel
specifications and the boat runs away from boats with the original sais.

Miles (SM 216 Ladybug)

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Re: New sails for supermaramu 2k

Miles Bidwell <mbidwell@...>
 

Hi Danny,



The jib is significantly larger. But somehow it keeps its good shape when
partly furled-maybe helped by the radial cut. The jib is 71 square meters
and the main is 39 square meters. This is larger than the Amel
specifications and the boat runs away from boats with the original sais.



Miles (SM 216 Ladybug)