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Re: [Amel] Re: Refrigeration Cooling

karkauai
 

Was wondering about how I'd get access to the tank. Thanks Gene.
Kent

On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Gene Carter <geneccarter@...> wrote:

I have been using a Isotherm water cooled unit using my on-board water supply for the past 12 years.

NO Issues and eliminated salt water pump issues.

We filter water into the tank and have a filter on drinking water.

I taped into the water fill pipe for return taped into foot pump for pickup

Stargazer Amel sharki 135




Go Sailing

Gene C Carter
PO Box 895
Blaine WA 98231
Cell (360) 815-5388

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From: Kent Robertson karkauai@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Refrigeration Cooling



Tha is again for your thoughts, Craig. Right now I have air cooled fridges. When I'm ready to set sail again I'm going to do this mod, add some solar panels and a wind generator. Already about half way through the transition to all LEDs.
Where are you and Katherine now?
Kent
SM 2;3
Kristy

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On Jan 29, 2013, at 6:39 PM, "sv Sangaris" sangaris@...> wrote:



Hi Kent,

Well, if you've been sucking up sea water to cool the refrigerant with no problem other than the occasional jelly fish, I rather think switching to pure tank water would be, if anything, hugely less problematical and would not require any filtration at all.

Don't know the exact pump flow of your boat in gph, but with -what? - a 200-ish gallon tank in your SM, I can't imagine any problem whatsoever - it ain't gonna overheat. Also, the intake from our tanks is a couple of inches off the bottom - ain't gonna suck air. (Halekai didn't have a keel tank, but that's not germane to our Amels where it's no problemo.)

Keep it simple, forget valves and filters, and just go for it!

Cheers, Craig

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson wrote:

I like it too, Craig. What do you think about my idea of putting a filter in the line from the tank to the pump? A couple of valves would make it easy to change and with good water in the tank it shouldn't need changing often? Any idea how much water is moved by that pump? Would turn over the tank water pretty frequently, I think. You'd have to put the intake very low (is the tank flat or does it have a shape like the hull?) to keep it from sucking air when underway.
Kent

A perfect solution that I'll be switching to.

Craig Briggs, in FL while
s/v Sangaris SN#68 is in Didim, Turkey
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Re: [Amel] Re: Refrigeration Cooling

Gene
 

I have been using a Isotherm water cooled unit using my on-board water supply for the past 12 years.

NO Issues and eliminated salt water pump issues.

We filter water into the tank and have a filter on drinking water.

I taped into the water fill pipe for return taped into foot pump for pickup

Stargazer Amel sharki 135


 
 
 
Go Sailing

Gene C Carter
PO Box 895
Blaine WA 98231
Cell (360) 815-5388


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From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Refrigeration Cooling


 
Tha is again for your thoughts, Craig. Right now I have air cooled fridges. When I'm ready to set sail again I'm going to do this mod, add some solar panels and a wind generator. Already about half way through the transition to all LEDs.
Where are you and Katherine now?
Kent
SM 2;3
Kristy
On Jan 29, 2013, at 6:39 PM, "sv Sangaris" sangaris@...> wrote:



Hi Kent,

Well, if you've been sucking up sea water to cool the refrigerant with no problem other than the occasional jelly fish, I rather think switching to pure tank water would be, if anything, hugely less problematical and would not require any filtration at all.

Don't know the exact pump flow of your boat in gph, but with -what? - a 200-ish gallon tank in your SM, I can't imagine any problem whatsoever - it ain't gonna overheat. Also, the intake from our tanks is a couple of inches off the bottom - ain't gonna suck air. (Halekai didn't have a keel tank, but that's not germane to our Amels where it's no problemo.)

Keep it simple, forget valves and filters, and just go for it!

Cheers, Craig

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson wrote:

I like it too, Craig. What do you think about my idea of putting a filter in the line from the tank to the pump? A couple of valves would make it easy to change and with good water in the tank it shouldn't need changing often? Any idea how much water is moved by that pump? Would turn over the tank water pretty frequently, I think. You'd have to put the intake very low (is the tank flat or does it have a shape like the hull?) to keep it from sucking air when underway.
Kent

A perfect solution that I'll be switching to.

Craig Briggs, in FL while
s/v Sangaris SN#68 is in Didim, Turkey





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Re: [Amel] Re: Refrigeration Cooling

karkauai
 

Tha is again for your thoughts, Craig. Right now I have air cooled fridges. When I'm ready to set sail again I'm going to do this mod, add some solar panels and a wind generator. Already about half way through the transition to all LEDs.
Where are you and Katherine now?
Kent
SM 2;3
Kristy

On Jan 29, 2013, at 6:39 PM, "sv Sangaris" <sangaris@...> wrote:



Hi Kent,

Well, if you've been sucking up sea water to cool the refrigerant with no problem other than the occasional jelly fish, I rather think switching to pure tank water would be, if anything, hugely less problematical and would not require any filtration at all.

Don't know the exact pump flow of your boat in gph, but with -what? - a 200-ish gallon tank in your SM, I can't imagine any problem whatsoever - it ain't gonna overheat. Also, the intake from our tanks is a couple of inches off the bottom - ain't gonna suck air. (Halekai didn't have a keel tank, but that's not germane to our Amels where it's no problemo.)

Keep it simple, forget valves and filters, and just go for it!

Cheers, Craig

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson wrote:

I like it too, Craig. What do you think about my idea of putting a filter in the line from the tank to the pump? A couple of valves would make it easy to change and with good water in the tank it shouldn't need changing often? Any idea how much water is moved by that pump? Would turn over the tank water pretty frequently, I think. You'd have to put the intake very low (is the tank flat or does it have a shape like the hull?) to keep it from sucking air when underway.
Kent

A perfect solution that I'll be switching to.

Craig Briggs, in FL while
s/v Sangaris SN#68 is in Didim, Turkey


Re: Refrigeration Cooling

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Kent,

Well, if you've been sucking up sea water to cool the refrigerant with no problem other than the occasional jelly fish, I rather think switching to pure tank water would be, if anything, hugely less problematical and would not require any filtration at all.

Don't know the exact pump flow of your boat in gph, but with -what? - a 200-ish gallon tank in your SM, I can't imagine any problem whatsoever - it ain't gonna overheat. Also, the intake from our tanks is a couple of inches off the bottom - ain't gonna suck air. (Halekai didn't have a keel tank, but that's not germane to our Amels where it's no problemo.)

Keep it simple, forget valves and filters, and just go for it!

Cheers, Craig

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Kent Robertson wrote:

I like it too, Craig. What do you think about my idea of putting a filter in the line from the tank to the pump? A couple of valves would make it easy to change and with good water in the tank it shouldn't need changing often? Any idea how much water is moved by that pump? Would turn over the tank water pretty frequently, I think. You'd have to put the intake very low (is the tank flat or does it have a shape like the hull?) to keep it from sucking air when underway.
Kent

A perfect solution that I'll be switching to.

Craig Briggs, in FL while
s/v Sangaris SN#68 is in Didim, Turkey


Re: Amel Euros 41 questions to ask

Jose_Luis <lji0041@...>
 

Hi,

I have refitted my Amel Euros 41
It is a very sturdy boat. I cannot think anything other than the usual checking for any second hand boat. I could not find 'weak' points yet. I even peeled the hull because there were a lot of paint layers and I could not find blisters.

For instance, check the shaft bearing, because to replace it you will need to move the engine. Due to the skeg, you cannot get the shaft off if you do not move the engine. If you plan to outhaul the engine anyway, then take the opportunity to do it.

Check the iron ballast at the keel, if it is properly fitted, etc.

The windscreen methacrylates on both sides (rounded) are difficult to replace, I got them specially made (very expensive). Maybe it is better to replace by another solution (a frame with straight screens).

The main traveller and the mizzen traveller pieces (stops) are very difficult to find (old Goiot, I think), so check that they are there. I sounds stupid but maybe you have to replace the bar, just because of you cannot get the stoppers to stop the traveller from moving.

Having said that, any second hand boat needs to be carefully inspected as you may know.

Also, I would replace the big fridge box under the chart table by a one piece fridge (or 2), instead of placing a compressor. But these are after-purchase fittings.

I do not know, if you can post photos I may be able to tell you more.

Regards
JL

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "jcluddite" wrote:

Hello,

I am considering a Amel Euros 41. As an older Amel can any group members provide insight onto the boats possible trouble spots? Are there any particular questions I should ask outside of the typical old boat questions(engine, rig, sails, ect)?

Thank you.


Re: side gates

sbmesasailor
 

We had side gates installed on Libertad.  They are located just forward of the cockpit where the hull is widest and most likely to be nearest the dock.  They are opened/closed by wires terminated with pelican clips.  No additional support to the stanchions was added with no apparent effect to the integrity/strength of the rest of the safety railing.
 
Dennis Johns
s/v Libertad
Maramu #121
Bundaberg, Australia

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Re: Bundaberg Port Marina

sbmesasailor
 

We have heard from the Bundaberg Port Marina that all boats in the yard are undamaged except for a few that had tarps or canvas ripped.  The river is running very high and upriver has flooded seriously with houses floating down.
 
Dennis & Virginia Johns
s/v Libertad
Bundaberg, OZ

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Jib sheet traveller remote control

ladyannila <kanalmamman@...>
 

Please find pictures of our new stainless steal jib sheet travaller disks in the photo section in album Jib Sheet Traveller Remote Control.

Instead of buying new in aluminium from Amel. We made a drawing and went to a mechanical workshop that made similar plates in stainless steal for us. This will hopefully keep on working for the rest of our sailing life.

Fair Winds
Annsofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM #232


Re: [Amel] Refrigeration Cooling

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Hi Kent,
missed one thing, yes we installed a water filled to filter eventual gelcoat bits and other things that might appear in the water tank together with valves on both sides.
Good luck with your decision
Fair winds
Ann-Sofie and JonasS/Y Lady Annila SM#232

To: amelyachtowners@...
From: karkauai@...
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 18:23:11 -0500
Subject: Re: [Amel] Refrigeration Cooling


























I like it too, Craig. What do you think about my idea of putting a filter in the line from the tank to the pump? A couple of valves would make it easy to change and with good water in the tank it shouldn't need changing often? Any idea how much water is moved by that pump? Would turn over the tank water pretty frequently, I think. You'd have to put the intake very low (is the tank flat or does it have a shape like the hull?) to keep it from sucking air when underway.

Kent
On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:01 PM, "sv Sangaris" sangaris@...> wrote:



Kent was commenting on a suggestion to put a heat exchanger circuit (aka keel cooler) in the water tank for refrigeration cooling and wondered about the risk of contaminating the fresh water with sea water.
I've started a new thread since that was buried.
The best solution I've seen, Kent, was on Burger and Nancy Zapf's boat Halekai (not an Amel). They very simply just feed fresh water to the refrigeration pump from the tank and have the outlet go back to the tank.
That way you've got a closed loop of fresh water going from and to the fresh water tank. No possibility of sea water in the tank and no need for a complicated keel cooler.
Our Amels with the water tanks in the keel will dissipate the heat nicely and you can even run the refrigeration while the boat is on the hard.
A perfect solution that I'll be swtiching to.
Craig Briggs, in FL while
s/v Sangaris SN#68 is in Didim, Turkey


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Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi it means that they do not use materials that meet standards for drinking water/ food equipment. Like lead solder, nor do they care about other oils and stuff that may get in the system.

Gary if you go to a keel cooler BE VERY. VERY sure to clean the cooling system with a material that will remove ALL marine growth before you cycle it. Unless of course you want to raise fresh water mussels in your tank as a protein source.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jan 28, 2013, at 22:11, jean Paillardon <jean.paillardon@...> wrote:

it is prudent for them!! but how a copper pipe with gas inside it can alter the water???? used in this case a plastic bucket to take your water because the tap that lead Pipes are copper with gas outside (air)!!
;) ;)

De : Kent Robertson karkauai@...>
À : "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Envoyé le : Mardi 29 janvier 2013 9h18
Objet : Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


I contacted Veco about using their keel cooler. Here's what they said:
"Thank you for your inquiry regarding Frigoboat refrigeration, and your interest in adding Keel Coolers to your air cooled systems. If your systems contain refrigerant R134, then it is possible to add Keel Coolers. However, Frigoboat Keel Coolers are designed to be installed as a thru-hull fitting and not for installation in domestic water tanks. We do not condone the installation of Frigoboat Keel Coolers in water tanks containing water intended for human consumption. "
That doesn't mean you couldn't do it, but they won't back you up.
'Kent

On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:06 PM, jean Paillardon mailto:jean.paillardon%40yahoo.fr> wrote:

Hi Kent,
What difference do you see between the cooling gas flow of fresh water and cool the gas flow in this one freshwater???
Any.
Only a pump to circulate the water because the gas is pushing him by the compressor in both cases!
The keel cooler has no contact with sea water, it just needs to be immersed in the fresh water tank.
I added a ground wire as that set on the water heater.
Regards
about an eventual leak?? same scenario, gas to water or water to gas!

De : Kent Robertson mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com>
À : "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.commailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Lundi 28 janvier 2013 20h08
Objet : Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Hi again, Jean,
After reading about the "keel cooler" I have a couple of questions. Are you concerned at all about leakage of the exchanger into your fresh water tank? Are both fridge/freezer units attached to the same exchanger? How much room does the exchanger take up in the tank (ie how much volume do you lose by doing this?) I've not gotten into my tankage system yet...how difficult is it to mount the exchanger in the tank?
Thanks again, this looks like a great idea.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

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From: jean Paillardon mailto:jean.paillardon%40yahoo.fr>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Hi Kent
even easier for the fridge, model keel cool and put the exchanger directly into the freshwater tank .... same system, pumps less!!
NO NOISE
Regards
S/V Too much SM 366

De : Kent Robertson mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com>
À : "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Lundi 28 janvier 2013 1h30
Objet : Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Very nice, Ann-Sofie. Another question...Did raising the standing height in the cockpit require that the boom could not be pulled down as far? Did you have to recut the main sail? If the boom can no longer be brought down to a position perpendicular to the main, does the mainsail furl smoothly?
On Kristy (SM243) I have to ease the main a bit to open or stow the dodger extension that covers the cockpit. I would like to raise the headroom in my cockpit but am not sure there is room below the boom.

I am impressed with the efficiency of the water-cooled and reinsulated fridges. That looks like a modification worth doing.

How do you adjust your autopilot in different conditions to make it more efficient? That's something I never considered.

I LOVE this forum! Even with 20K+ nm under my keel I still feel like a rank beginner with an enormous amount to learn. Thais again to all for sharing!
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg mailto:kanalmamman%40hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Danny
If you check the album Lady Annila, you will find some pictures of our fixed roof over the cockpit.
To protect us from wind, rain and chilly weather we have a zipper going around the whole roof that we connect 10 panels to, with big windows. If we have all of them closed we are very well protected from the weather. We can take all or some of the panels down. It is free of choice.

The roof is constructed so that you can stand up and navigate and beeing able to see over the cockpit.

The inside hasn't got the final finish yet. But we have mounted a LED tape on the sieling that we adjust with a dimmer.

Regards
Annsofie,
Lady Annila, SM 233

Skickat från min iPad

27 jan 2013 kl. 04:00 skrev "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS" mailto:simms%40xtra.co.nz>:

Hi Ann, would be interested to see photos of your hard top.
Regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently home port Mangonui
New Zealand

From: Ann-Sofie Svanberg mailto:kanalmamman%40hotmail.com>
To: "mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%2540yahoogroups.comamelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Hi
We have changed our bimini to a fixed roof over the cockpit. On that roof we have mounted 24v solar panel 460 W. Our battery bank includes 8 golfcart batteries providing 520 Ah.
We have changed all lamps to LED, we have changed the compressors to fridge/freeze to fresh water cooling and changed the insulation on them aswell. Which was of big importans for the overall consumption profile

During day time (sailing) we are usually power neutral. Meaning we only have to start the diesel generator for washing or making water.

Our plans is to install a wind generator for additional power during night and cloudy days.

We think that it is better to use the diesel for making speed than making power. So for us, yes it is worth it.

Regards
Ann-Sofi & Jonas
Lady Annila, SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

26 jan 2013 kl. 02:47 skrev "sharki41" mailto:hannamj%40juno.com>:

We are intending to do extensive cruising. Staying out of marina's, and primarily living "On the Hook". We have AGM batteries. Filling the battery bank to 80-85% with a genset or hi capacity engine driven alternator is fairly efficient. The last part of the charge up to 100% is not efficient. (Could be many hrs of genset operation at low load to charge up to 100%). For this reasion we will probably install solar panels. AGM's in particular need to be periodically charged to 100% . Also, ask your battery manufacturer what voltage their particular batteries should be charged at. Charging, no matter what the source, at too low a voltage is inefficient, and at too high a voltage is damaging.
Thank You All for the wonderful Amel information. We loved the Joel Potter movie last night.
Fair Winds,
Mark and Joanna
S/V : MARGUERITE
SHARKI # 49

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Attilio Su Yahoo wrote:

What my friend Paolo Liberati says is: use all possible system to have power. I.e. it is not a matter of cost benefit balance, when you are on passage, it is a matter of power needs in case of gen set failure. Solar panels never fail, and also windgen. I have sol pan plus wind gen and up to now (in the Med anyhow) now need of diesel genset. Craig with a Santorin and genset says that if you are not too power hungry (led lights etc) you can more safely survive without genset, or with a cheap portable Honda genset for emergencies only and solar panel - at least 2 x 90W - and one wind gen on top of mizzen mast, In total about 1500 euros
Ciao!
Attilio e Maria Amel Santorin #84 Sisila


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Il giorno 25/gen/2013, alle ore 15:31, Alessandro Gennai ha scritto:

Hi firends,
I need your opinion concerning power generator (solar panels , wind generator, water generator) on amel supermaramu 2k; as we know she is a power consuming boat but it is worth to spend money for this kind power generator when we have to use generator for water maker, washer machine and more? In case which of these kind of power generators are more suitable for this boat? One story: during ocean passage I had to turn on generator 3h x2/day, a friend of mine with 2 panels and 1 wind generator has to turn on it 2h x2/day....is it worth????
Thanks for your help
Alessandro
GRAND CRU
amel supermaramu 2k #443
Martinica

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Re: Re%3A%20Maramu%20mystery%20fitting

Dave_Benjamin
 

Ross,

Thanks for checking that. Be great to know where it lives.
I'm probably going to be out in Florida sometime in the next few months. Just trying to figure it out.

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Ross Elakman" wrote:

Dave, it looks like one of the poles that stick out from the center table on the port side. when i get back to the boat i will see if the tri-angle shaped mounting braket is on the inside.
Let me know if that helps,
Ross


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Re: [Amel] Re: Anchor Cain Super Maramu...HT or BBB?

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Gary,
I had my original chain re-hot dipped galvanised at a big commercial galvanising plant just north of Barcelona Spain in 2000 and it is still in good condition, I have yet to end for end it! The cost was about a third of the cost of a new one. I believe it to be HT.

Best wishes, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM319

From: amelliahona
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Anchor Cain Super Maramu...HT or BBB?


Hi Bill:

I am looking at replacing my anchor chain on my SM 2000 (Hull # 335). I have had good service from the original chain but it is time (now 12 years on).

I see that nobody replied to this post from 2010. Were you able to obtain an answer in some other way?

So, is it BBB or is HT chain.

All the best, Gary Silver s/v Liahona Sapphire Bay Marina, St. Thomas, USVI

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" wrote:

I am looking for answers on SM2k anchor chain.

Here is what I know about the anchor chain on SM #387:
It is 10mm, ISO standard (the inside dimension the long-way of a link is 30mm...if it were DIN standard, it would be 28mm).

What I want to know:
Is it BBB, OR is it HT (high test chain)?

I would appreciate any help you can provide.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Langkawi, Malaysia




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Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators

jean Paillardon <jean.paillardon@...>
 

it is prudent for them!! but how a copper pipe with gas inside it can alter the water???? used in this case a plastic bucket to take your water because the tap that lead Pipes are copper with gas outside (air)!!
;) ;)


De : Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>
À : "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Envoyé le : Mardi 29 janvier 2013 9h18
Objet : Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators

 
I contacted Veco about using their keel cooler. Here's what they said:
"Thank you for your inquiry regarding Frigoboat refrigeration, and your interest in adding Keel Coolers to your air cooled systems. If your systems contain refrigerant R134, then it is possible to add Keel Coolers. However, Frigoboat Keel Coolers are designed to be installed as a thru-hull fitting and not for installation in domestic water tanks. We do not condone the installation of Frigoboat Keel Coolers in water tanks containing water intended for human consumption. "
That doesn't mean you couldn't do it, but they won't back you up.
'Kent

On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:06 PM, jean Paillardon mailto:jean.paillardon%40yahoo.fr> wrote:

Hi Kent,
What difference do you see between the cooling gas flow of fresh water and cool the gas flow in this one freshwater???
Any.
Only a pump to circulate the water because the gas is pushing him by the compressor in both cases!
The keel cooler has no contact with sea water, it just needs to be immersed in the fresh water tank.
I added a ground wire as that set on the water heater.
Regards
about an eventual leak?? same scenario, gas to water or water to gas!

De : Kent Robertson mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com>
À : "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.commailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Lundi 28 janvier 2013 20h08
Objet : Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Hi again, Jean,
After reading about the "keel cooler" I have a couple of questions. Are you concerned at all about leakage of the exchanger into your fresh water tank? Are both fridge/freezer units attached to the same exchanger? How much room does the exchanger take up in the tank (ie how much volume do you lose by doing this?) I've not gotten into my tankage system yet...how difficult is it to mount the exchanger in the tank?
Thanks again, this looks like a great idea.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

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From: jean Paillardon mailto:jean.paillardon%40yahoo.fr>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Hi Kent
even easier for the fridge, model keel cool and put the exchanger directly into the freshwater tank .... same system, pumps less!!
NO NOISE
Regards
S/V Too much SM 366

De : Kent Robertson mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com>
À : "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Lundi 28 janvier 2013 1h30
Objet : Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Very nice, Ann-Sofie. Another question...Did raising the standing height in the cockpit require that the boom could not be pulled down as far? Did you have to recut the main sail? If the boom can no longer be brought down to a position perpendicular to the main, does the mainsail furl smoothly?
On Kristy (SM243) I have to ease the main a bit to open or stow the dodger extension that covers the cockpit. I would like to raise the headroom in my cockpit but am not sure there is room below the boom.

I am impressed with the efficiency of the water-cooled and reinsulated fridges. That looks like a modification worth doing.

How do you adjust your autopilot in different conditions to make it more efficient? That's something I never considered.

I LOVE this forum! Even with 20K+ nm under my keel I still feel like a rank beginner with an enormous amount to learn. Thais again to all for sharing!
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg mailto:kanalmamman%40hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Danny
If you check the album Lady Annila, you will find some pictures of our fixed roof over the cockpit.
To protect us from wind, rain and chilly weather we have a zipper going around the whole roof that we connect 10 panels to, with big windows. If we have all of them closed we are very well protected from the weather. We can take all or some of the panels down. It is free of choice.

The roof is constructed so that you can stand up and navigate and beeing able to see over the cockpit.

The inside hasn't got the final finish yet. But we have mounted a LED tape on the sieling that we adjust with a dimmer.

Regards
Annsofie,
Lady Annila, SM 233

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27 jan 2013 kl. 04:00 skrev "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS" mailto:simms%40xtra.co.nz>:

Hi Ann, would be interested to see photos of your hard top.
Regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently home port Mangonui
New Zealand

From: Ann-Sofie Svanberg mailto:kanalmamman%40hotmail.com>
To: "mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%2540yahoogroups.comamelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Hi
We have changed our bimini to a fixed roof over the cockpit. On that roof we have mounted 24v solar panel 460 W. Our battery bank includes 8 golfcart batteries providing 520 Ah.
We have changed all lamps to LED, we have changed the compressors to fridge/freeze to fresh water cooling and changed the insulation on them aswell. Which was of big importans for the overall consumption profile

During day time (sailing) we are usually power neutral. Meaning we only have to start the diesel generator for washing or making water.

Our plans is to install a wind generator for additional power during night and cloudy days.

We think that it is better to use the diesel for making speed than making power. So for us, yes it is worth it.

Regards
Ann-Sofi & Jonas
Lady Annila, SM 232

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26 jan 2013 kl. 02:47 skrev "sharki41" mailto:hannamj%40juno.com>:

We are intending to do extensive cruising. Staying out of marina's, and primarily living "On the Hook". We have AGM batteries. Filling the battery bank to 80-85% with a genset or hi capacity engine driven alternator is fairly efficient. The last part of the charge up to 100% is not efficient. (Could be many hrs of genset operation at low load to charge up to 100%). For this reasion we will probably install solar panels. AGM's in particular need to be periodically charged to 100% . Also, ask your battery manufacturer what voltage their particular batteries should be charged at. Charging, no matter what the source, at too low a voltage is inefficient, and at too high a voltage is damaging.
Thank You All for the wonderful Amel information. We loved the Joel Potter movie last night.
Fair Winds,
Mark and Joanna
S/V : MARGUERITE
SHARKI # 49

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Attilio Su Yahoo wrote:

What my friend Paolo Liberati says is: use all possible system to have power. I.e. it is not a matter of cost benefit balance, when you are on passage, it is a matter of power needs in case of gen set failure. Solar panels never fail, and also windgen. I have sol pan plus wind gen and up to now (in the Med anyhow) now need of diesel genset. Craig with a Santorin and genset says that if you are not too power hungry (led lights etc) you can more safely survive without genset, or with a cheap portable Honda genset for emergencies only and solar panel - at least 2 x 90W - and one wind gen on top of mizzen mast, In total about 1500 euros
Ciao!
Attilio e Maria Amel Santorin #84 Sisila


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Il giorno 25/gen/2013, alle ore 15:31, Alessandro Gennai ha scritto:

Hi firends,
I need your opinion concerning power generator (solar panels , wind generator, water generator) on amel supermaramu 2k; as we know she is a power consuming boat but it is worth to spend money for this kind power generator when we have to use generator for water maker, washer machine and more? In case which of these kind of power generators are more suitable for this boat? One story: during ocean passage I had to turn on generator 3h x2/day, a friend of mine with 2 panels and 1 wind generator has to turn on it 2h x2/day....is it worth????
Thanks for your help
Alessandro
GRAND CRU
amel supermaramu 2k #443
Martinica

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Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators

karkauai
 

I contacted Veco about using their keel cooler. Here's what they said:
"Thank you for your inquiry regarding Frigoboat refrigeration, and your interest in adding Keel Coolers to your air cooled systems. If your systems contain refrigerant R134, then it is possible to add Keel Coolers. However, Frigoboat Keel Coolers are designed to be installed as a thru-hull fitting and not for installation in domestic water tanks. We do not condone the installation of Frigoboat Keel Coolers in water tanks containing water intended for human consumption. "
That doesn't mean you couldn't do it, but they won't back you up.
'Kent

On Jan 28, 2013, at 5:06 PM, jean Paillardon <jean.paillardon@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,
What difference do you see between the cooling gas flow of fresh water and cool the gas flow in this one freshwater???
Any.
Only a pump to circulate the water because the gas is pushing him by the compressor in both cases!
The keel cooler has no contact with sea water, it just needs to be immersed in the fresh water tank.
I added a ground wire as that set on the water heater.
Regards
about an eventual leak?? same scenario, gas to water or water to gas!

De : Kent Robertson karkauai@...>
À : "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Envoyé le : Lundi 28 janvier 2013 20h08
Objet : Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Hi again, Jean,
After reading about the "keel cooler" I have a couple of questions. Are you concerned at all about leakage of the exchanger into your fresh water tank? Are both fridge/freezer units attached to the same exchanger? How much room does the exchanger take up in the tank (ie how much volume do you lose by doing this?) I've not gotten into my tankage system yet...how difficult is it to mount the exchanger in the tank?
Thanks again, this looks like a great idea.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

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From: jean Paillardon mailto:jean.paillardon%40yahoo.fr>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Hi Kent
even easier for the fridge, model keel cool and put the exchanger directly into the freshwater tank .... same system, pumps less!!
NO NOISE
Regards
S/V Too much SM 366

De : Kent Robertson mailto:karkauai%40yahoo.com>
À : "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé le : Lundi 28 janvier 2013 1h30
Objet : Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Very nice, Ann-Sofie. Another question...Did raising the standing height in the cockpit require that the boom could not be pulled down as far? Did you have to recut the main sail? If the boom can no longer be brought down to a position perpendicular to the main, does the mainsail furl smoothly?
On Kristy (SM243) I have to ease the main a bit to open or stow the dodger extension that covers the cockpit. I would like to raise the headroom in my cockpit but am not sure there is room below the boom.

I am impressed with the efficiency of the water-cooled and reinsulated fridges. That looks like a modification worth doing.

How do you adjust your autopilot in different conditions to make it more efficient? That's something I never considered.

I LOVE this forum! Even with 20K+ nm under my keel I still feel like a rank beginner with an enormous amount to learn. Thais again to all for sharing!
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Ann-Sofie Svanberg mailto:kanalmamman%40hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Danny
If you check the album Lady Annila, you will find some pictures of our fixed roof over the cockpit.
To protect us from wind, rain and chilly weather we have a zipper going around the whole roof that we connect 10 panels to, with big windows. If we have all of them closed we are very well protected from the weather. We can take all or some of the panels down. It is free of choice.

The roof is constructed so that you can stand up and navigate and beeing able to see over the cockpit.

The inside hasn't got the final finish yet. But we have mounted a LED tape on the sieling that we adjust with a dimmer.

Regards
Annsofie,
Lady Annila, SM 233

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27 jan 2013 kl. 04:00 skrev "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS" mailto:simms%40xtra.co.nz>:

Hi Ann, would be interested to see photos of your hard top.
Regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently home port Mangonui
New Zealand

From: Ann-Sofie Svanberg mailto:kanalmamman%40hotmail.com>
To: "mailto:mailto:amelyachtowners%2540yahoogroups.comamelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Power generators


Hi
We have changed our bimini to a fixed roof over the cockpit. On that roof we have mounted 24v solar panel 460 W. Our battery bank includes 8 golfcart batteries providing 520 Ah.
We have changed all lamps to LED, we have changed the compressors to fridge/freeze to fresh water cooling and changed the insulation on them aswell. Which was of big importans for the overall consumption profile

During day time (sailing) we are usually power neutral. Meaning we only have to start the diesel generator for washing or making water.

Our plans is to install a wind generator for additional power during night and cloudy days.

We think that it is better to use the diesel for making speed than making power. So for us, yes it is worth it.

Regards
Ann-Sofi & Jonas
Lady Annila, SM 232

Skickat från min iPad

26 jan 2013 kl. 02:47 skrev "sharki41" mailto:hannamj%40juno.com>:

We are intending to do extensive cruising. Staying out of marina's, and primarily living "On the Hook". We have AGM batteries. Filling the battery bank to 80-85% with a genset or hi capacity engine driven alternator is fairly efficient. The last part of the charge up to 100% is not efficient. (Could be many hrs of genset operation at low load to charge up to 100%). For this reasion we will probably install solar panels. AGM's in particular need to be periodically charged to 100% . Also, ask your battery manufacturer what voltage their particular batteries should be charged at. Charging, no matter what the source, at too low a voltage is inefficient, and at too high a voltage is damaging.
Thank You All for the wonderful Amel information. We loved the Joel Potter movie last night.
Fair Winds,
Mark and Joanna
S/V : MARGUERITE
SHARKI # 49

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Attilio Su Yahoo wrote:

What my friend Paolo Liberati says is: use all possible system to have power. I.e. it is not a matter of cost benefit balance, when you are on passage, it is a matter of power needs in case of gen set failure. Solar panels never fail, and also windgen. I have sol pan plus wind gen and up to now (in the Med anyhow) now need of diesel genset. Craig with a Santorin and genset says that if you are not too power hungry (led lights etc) you can more safely survive without genset, or with a cheap portable Honda genset for emergencies only and solar panel - at least 2 x 90W - and one wind gen on top of mizzen mast, In total about 1500 euros
Ciao!
Attilio e Maria Amel Santorin #84 Sisila


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Il giorno 25/gen/2013, alle ore 15:31, Alessandro Gennai ha scritto:

Hi firends,
I need your opinion concerning power generator (solar panels , wind generator, water generator) on amel supermaramu 2k; as we know she is a power consuming boat but it is worth to spend money for this kind power generator when we have to use generator for water maker, washer machine and more? In case which of these kind of power generators are more suitable for this boat? One story: during ocean passage I had to turn on generator 3h x2/day, a friend of mine with 2 panels and 1 wind generator has to turn on it 2h x2/day....is it worth????
Thanks for your help
Alessandro
GRAND CRU
amel supermaramu 2k #443
Martinica

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Re: [Amel] Re: Anchor Cain Super Maramu...HT or BBB?

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi the chain on sm 209 is HT 3/8.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Jan 28, 2013, at 17:00, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

Hi Bill:

I am looking at replacing my anchor chain on my SM 2000 (Hull # 335). I have had good service from the original chain but it is time (now 12 years on).

I see that nobody replied to this post from 2010. Were you able to obtain an answer in some other way?

So, is it BBB or is HT chain.

All the best, Gary Silver s/v Liahona Sapphire Bay Marina, St. Thomas, USVI

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" wrote:

I am looking for answers on SM2k anchor chain.

Here is what I know about the anchor chain on SM #387:
It is 10mm, ISO standard (the inside dimension the long-way of a link is 30mm...if it were DIN standard, it would be 28mm).

What I want to know:
Is it BBB, OR is it HT (high test chain)?

I would appreciate any help you can provide.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe, SM2k, #387
Currently Langkawi, Malaysia


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Re: [Amel] Power generator

Howard Berger
 

Paul,

We were on that tub of a Hunter 450CC, which my wife Lynda dubbed The Edsel (though she was comfortable enough). We cruised in the past down the entire eastern Caribbean and I have to say I still haven't found any place I like better than Francis Bay. I was saddened to learn that Maho Bay Camps is finally packing it in -- the land has been sold -- and I fear there won't be anywhere left there where one can get a cheap lunch and some cold beer.

Sorry we missed you. I see you're in St. Martin so I trust you successfully navigated the Oh My God A passage :)

Best regards,
Howard Berger
sv JAZZ Maramu 144

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Paul LaFrance wrote:


Howard
Yes we saw you come into Francis Bay
When we mounted the wind generator on the mizzen we used a thick piece of rubber to dampen the vibration. We still can hear the wind generator when it is working in winds above 15 knots. It can be bothersome but it also alerts us to when we are experiencing high winds to check our position.

Paul LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM 362
Currently en route to St. Marteen













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Re: [Amel] Power generator

Howard Berger
 

Danny,

Thanks for your input. I've heard nothing but good things about the Super Wind unit, and that's the one we'll go with. The Air X generators we cruised with on our Caliber 40 (installed in '99) were screamers. People used to hate to anchor behind us :)

Best regards,
Howard Berger
sv JAZZ Maramu 144

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Danny and Yvonne SIMMS wrote:

Howard, we have a Super wind generator on top of the mizzen and never hear a thing. Paul, what brand do you have?, I wonder if it makes a difference. The superwind has blades that feather in strong winds so that peak revolutions are controlled and we have no concerns even in gales.
Danny
SM299
Ocean Pearl  

From: Paul LaFrance
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2013 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Power generator

 

Howard
Yes we saw you come into Francis Bay
When we mounted the wind generator on the mizzen we used a thick piece of rubber to dampen the vibration. We still can hear the wind generator when it is working in winds above 15 knots. It can be bothersome but it also alerts us to when we are experiencing high winds to check our position.

Paul LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM 362
Currently en route to St. Marteen



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Re: [Amel] Refrigeration Cooling

karkauai
 

I like it too, Craig. What do you think about my idea of putting a filter in the line from the tank to the pump? A couple of valves would make it easy to change and with good water in the tank it shouldn't need changing often? Any idea how much water is moved by that pump? Would turn over the tank water pretty frequently, I think. You'd have to put the intake very low (is the tank flat or does it have a shape like the hull?) to keep it from sucking air when underway.
Kent

On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:01 PM, "sv Sangaris" <sangaris@...> wrote:

Kent was commenting on a suggestion to put a heat exchanger circuit (aka keel cooler) in the water tank for refrigeration cooling and wondered about the risk of contaminating the fresh water with sea water.

I've started a new thread since that was buried.

The best solution I've seen, Kent, was on Burger and Nancy Zapf's boat Halekai (not an Amel). They very simply just feed fresh water to the refrigeration pump from the tank and have the outlet go back to the tank.

That way you've got a closed loop of fresh water going from and to the fresh water tank. No possibility of sea water in the tank and no need for a complicated keel cooler.

Our Amels with the water tanks in the keel will dissipate the heat nicely and you can even run the refrigeration while the boat is on the hard.

A perfect solution that I'll be swtiching to.

Craig Briggs, in FL while
s/v Sangaris SN#68 is in Didim, Turkey


Amel Euros 41 questions to ask

jcluddite <jcluddite@...>
 

Hello,

I am considering a Amel Euros 41. As an older Amel can any group members provide insight onto the boats possible trouble spots? Are there any particular questions I should ask outside of the typical old boat questions(engine, rig, sails, ect)?

Thank you.


Re: [Amel] Maramu holding tank

jjjk12s <jjjk12s@...>
 

Andy,

I put in a holding tank which sounds like the same arrangement as Air Ops but ours is in the aft head.

I removed the fascia covering the storage area and had it resprayed and then reused it, although it would be easy enough to make a new one with the cutouts in different places. I cut segments out of some of the shelves behind the fascia which are thin plywood - not right to the edges where they are laminated or totally removing the shelves, but just enough to make space for the tank. What is left of the shelves is likely just as strong as original and the remnants of the shelves chock the tank in place.

The outlet from the toilet goes up behind the fascia on the left side of the tank to the side at the top of the tank. The outlet from the tank is at the bottom of the tank just above the seacock on the left side. A vent comes out of the top of the tank through a charcoal filter which sits on top of the tank and to a stainless steel vent fitting in the near upright part of the deck molding by the portlight. There are no pump out facilities here so I don't have a pump out but that could also be added.

The only problem is that there is not much room so the tank is not huge. The only valve is the seacock and there are no Y valves. The tank I used was previously mounted on the bulkhead under the sink and was emptied (when the pump worked) by a diaphram pump. As the tank is semi-transparent it is possible to just see the level or easy to see the level by shining a torch but some other means of checking the level could be used. The tank should not be allowed to overfill or the charcoal needs to be replaced. I can't think of a simpler system and nearly all the pipework is behind the fascia which can be removed if necessary to access the tank, vent filter and pipes.

John, Maramu #91 Popeye

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Andy" wrote:


Hi Dave,

Just going through some old posts.

We're having to install a holding tank on our Maramu. The set up you have in your forward head sounds good. Do you have any photos ??

What system did you end up retro fitting for your aft head.

Any information much appreciated.

Thanks

Andy
--- In amelyachtowners@..., David Wallace wrote:


Hi Ross,
Air Ops (Maramu #104) has a holding tank foward which was installed in the boat when we bought her in 2000. It was supplied by Amel and is mounted behind the head storage panel, in the aft upper half. The head pumps up into the tank and then gravity feeds overboard if the single valve at the thru-hull is open. There is a vent/pump out fitting on the deck next to the toe rail. We've had no issues with it.
There was no holding tank in the aft head so we installed a LectraSan which fits nicely but we've never been happy with it and wouldn't get one again. The boat is now in Mexico and we primarily use the forward head but will have to figure out a solution before we return her to the US. The holding tank from Amel would work just as well in the aft head but it's unlikely they still have them. Might be worth asking, though...
Dave









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