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Onan Exhaust Temp Sensor

karkauai
 

Hi, everyone.
I just discovered a sensor that is broken on the exhaust hose of my Onan generator. I have looked at the parts manual and it isn't listed there. I took some pics of the part/number, but I can't read all of the numbers...several pics, all a little blurry.
Can anyone tell me that it is for sure a temp sensor and what the part number is?
Thanks, and happy sailing.
Kent
KRISTY
SM 243
Currently Brunswick, GA


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Jose_Luis Isasi
 


Re: Hydranet sails

Dave_Benjamin
 

We have a variety of fibers we can specify with load path sails and I wouldn't necessarily go with carbon/technora for a Super Maramu. Vectran is a possibility as well as a few others. We went with carbon/technora on the cat due to the loads which are much higher that what we see on a mono-hull.

In general, the advantages of a well constructed load path sail are:

Highly efficient construction - Strength where you need it
Durability
Exceptional stretch resistance
Economical compared to Hydranet and other radial sail

We have a 3 Year warranty on our MXL Vacu-Fix sails with worldwide support.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, svperegrinus wrote:

Thanks.

So, the client on the catamaran had positive feedback over about two years of use. What would you say the benefits of these carbon/technora sails might be on a Super Maramu vs. other cloth materials?


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

That was a few years ago when I wrote that post. Customer sold the boat last year but feedback was quite positive. That sail will be good for quite some time.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, svperegrinus wrote:

Hello,

And what has been your experience with the carbon/technora sails?

Best,



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Please note that Dimension Polyant manufactures two types of Hydranet cloth. One is a crosscut and the other is radial.

The crosscut has not held up well so not too many sailmakers will recommend it.

The radial cloth is excellent, however quite expensive.

We are building sails for a Catana catamaran right now using carbon/technora load path membrane which is more economical.

International demand for Hydranet is so low that Dimension Polyant now only manufactures when they have an order.


Re: Euros mainsheet track

Dave_Benjamin
 

Ullar,

The Harken low beam track should work as it has some flexibility. I would check the Harken documentation available on their website and review the installation instructions.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ullaroo" wrote:

Hi Dave,

Thanks for information. The track on Euros is situated in aft end of the
cockpit and is tilted slightly forward. If we can fix the new track on
the old one the tilt will be automatically right. That is a bonus.
However, the track is also curved. Can I buy a straight track and bend
it myself?

Here is the picture of my mainsheet track.
c/1817213682/view>

I really missed the convenience of towed mainsheet car last summer. It
wasn't for constant tweaking like on sports boat but just to get main
right easily.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Ullar,

It was a combination of factors. The original track did not appear to
be through bolted. I suspect there is a strip of steel that was
basically embedded, and then holes drilled and tapped to accept the
screws for the original Goiot track. There was no sign of any problem
with the track. After consulting with a few riggers who had seen similar
installations, we decided to mount the new track on top of the existing.

Here is a link to a photo of the track right after it was installed.
We used Lanocote on the machine screws to prevent dissimilar metal
corrosion. That's the orange colored goop you see in the photo around
the screws.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/105731786/amel_track.JPG

The beauty of this approach is we were able to use off the shelf
Harken hardware that is both robust and readily available.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ullaroo" wrote:

Hi Dave,

That sounds interesting. Why did you keep the original track below
the new one? Was Goiot track difficult to remove or was it something
else that brought you to that solution?

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Ullar,

We have an older Amel also, a 1979 Maramu. We fitted a Harken Big
Boat track to our boat. The original Goiot track was substantial enough
that we could drill and tap mounting holes for the Harken track.


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Re: Hydranet sails

svperegrinus <no_reply@...>
 

Thanks.

So, the client on the catamaran had positive feedback over about two years of use. What would you say the benefits of these carbon/technora sails might be on a Super Maramu vs. other cloth materials?

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

That was a few years ago when I wrote that post. Customer sold the boat last year but feedback was quite positive. That sail will be good for quite some time.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, svperegrinus wrote:

Hello,

And what has been your experience with the carbon/technora sails?

Best,



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Please note that Dimension Polyant manufactures two types of Hydranet cloth. One is a crosscut and the other is radial.

The crosscut has not held up well so not too many sailmakers will recommend it.

The radial cloth is excellent, however quite expensive.

We are building sails for a Catana catamaran right now using carbon/technora load path membrane which is more economical.

International demand for Hydranet is so low that Dimension Polyant now only manufactures when they have an order.


Re: Euros mainsheet track

ullaroo
 

Hi Dave,

Thanks for information. The track on Euros is situated in aft end of the
cockpit and is tilted slightly forward. If we can fix the new track on
the old one the tilt will be automatically right. That is a bonus.
However, the track is also curved. Can I buy a straight track and bend
it myself?

Here is the picture of my mainsheet track.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/909546897/pi\;
c/1817213682/view>

I really missed the convenience of towed mainsheet car last summer. It
wasn't for constant tweaking like on sports boat but just to get main
right easily.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Ullar,

It was a combination of factors. The original track did not appear to
be through bolted. I suspect there is a strip of steel that was
basically embedded, and then holes drilled and tapped to accept the
screws for the original Goiot track. There was no sign of any problem
with the track. After consulting with a few riggers who had seen similar
installations, we decided to mount the new track on top of the existing.

Here is a link to a photo of the track right after it was installed.
We used Lanocote on the machine screws to prevent dissimilar metal
corrosion. That's the orange colored goop you see in the photo around
the screws.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/105731786/amel_track.JPG

The beauty of this approach is we were able to use off the shelf
Harken hardware that is both robust and readily available.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ullaroo" wrote:

Hi Dave,

That sounds interesting. Why did you keep the original track below
the new one? Was Goiot track difficult to remove or was it something
else that brought you to that solution?

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Ullar,

We have an older Amel also, a 1979 Maramu. We fitted a Harken Big
Boat track to our boat. The original Goiot track was substantial enough
that we could drill and tap mounting holes for the Harken track.


is owner of Maramu Shearwater in NZ on this list?

Dave_Benjamin
 

There is a Maramu in Tauranga advertised for sale with an impressive interior refit, specifically the addition of a counter and modification of the table. We'd like to get in touch with the owner and learn where the refit was done and how the sink drains from the new location. If the owner is on our list or someone can put us in touch, it would be much appreciated.

Regards,

Dave Benjamin
Maramu #29
dave"AT"islandplanetsails.com


Re: [Amel] Standing Rigging Tension

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Yep all of the Amels require a very tightlt tensioned rig. There are some Potter posts that also talk about tightly tensioned deck stepped Amel masts.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 10, 2013, at 14:47, "Dave_Benjamin" <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com> wrote:

Richard,

For the Maramu, which as you know is single spreader, do you advise that level of tension on aft lowers as well?

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 wrote:

Hi all the stays need to be very tight. Using a wood hammer handle tap each stay if it has a sharp ring its good if "flat" it is not. When going to the wind the lee stays must not go slack.
When adjusting be sure to lay on deck and look up the mast to be sure you are keeping it in column/ straight.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:50, "LaFrance" wrote:

Does anyone know the rigging tension required for the SM model.

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently in St Marteen



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Re: [Amel] Re: Standing Rigging Tension

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Crap aside you tap with a wood hammer handle.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 10, 2013, at 15:17, "Barry" <seagasm@gmail.com> wrote:

I am of the opinion, thumping the shrouds with a rubber mallet as posted previously on this site to determine the tension is a load of crap. I downloaded a manual (and there are quite a few) on masts and rigging from Seldens Rigging and Masts site, in particular "Hints and Advice" manual at http://www.seldenmast.com/frameset.cfm?id=6828, There is a method on Tensioning the cap shrouds on page 28. I downloaded this PDF to my iPad and saved it to access in my Reference folder in iBooks.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM 171 (currently Bundaberg)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "LaFrance" wrote:

Does anyone know the rigging tension required for the SM model.

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently in St Marteen


Re: [Amel] Re: Standing Rigging Tension

karkauai
 

I'd like to think it was that easy...but unless you know what pitch they're listening for (and aren't tone deaf) this doesn't really help much. After I had my standing rigging changed, I took Kristy out in a 15 kt wind and sailed her upwind on both tacks. Even though I told the rigger that Amel rigs were significantly tighter than most, the lee shrouds were loose. I took them up several turns until they weren't sagging, then tacked and took them up the same number of turns on the other side. I did this a second time tightening a couple more turns until the shrouds were pretty tight and on the leeward side they didn't feel at all loose. After I got back to the dock I could see a little forward lean to the upper half of the main, but the stick was perfectly straight from side to side. I then tightened the forward shrouds a turn and loosened the aft ones the same amount until the mast was straight fore and aft. I've left it there and it still looks straight, but I have no idea if the tension is correct.

If someone whose rig is set by Amel could test the tension and record it, that would take a lot of the mystery out of it for those of us who are musically challenged (-:
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
On Feb 10, 2013, at 5:30 PM, Sailorman <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote:

When I picked up Kimberlite, I recall a rigger was tensioning the rig on the
boat next to me. I believe it was the next boat to be delivered. He had a
set of adjustable wrenches in his hand and after a while, he just hit the
rigging with the handle of the wrench. He then tightened the rig until he
heard the right sound and moved on to the next piece of rigging.

I also remember looking at a video from Brian Toss and American rigger,
using a similar technique.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Standing Rigging Tension

I am of the opinion, thumping the shrouds with a rubber mallet as posted
previously on this site to determine the tension is a load of crap. I
downloaded a manual (and there are quite a few) on masts and rigging from
Seldens Rigging and Masts site, in particular "Hints and Advice" manual at
http://www.seldenmast.com/frameset.cfm?id=6828, There is a method on
Tensioning the cap shrouds on page 28. I downloaded this PDF to my iPad and
saved it to access in my Reference folder in iBooks.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM 171 (currently Bundaberg)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
, "LaFrance" wrote:

Does anyone know the rigging tension required for the SM model.

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently in St Marteen
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Re: [Amel] Re: Standing Rigging Tension

Eric Freedman
 

When I picked up Kimberlite, I recall a rigger was tensioning the rig on the
boat next to me. I believe it was the next boat to be delivered. He had a
set of adjustable wrenches in his hand and after a while, he just hit the
rigging with the handle of the wrench. He then tightened the rig until he
heard the right sound and moved on to the next piece of rigging.



I also remember looking at a video from Brian Toss and American rigger,
using a similar technique.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Standing Rigging Tension





I am of the opinion, thumping the shrouds with a rubber mallet as posted
previously on this site to determine the tension is a load of crap. I
downloaded a manual (and there are quite a few) on masts and rigging from
Seldens Rigging and Masts site, in particular "Hints and Advice" manual at
http://www.seldenmast.com/frameset.cfm?id=6828, There is a method on
Tensioning the cap shrouds on page 28. I downloaded this PDF to my iPad and
saved it to access in my Reference folder in iBooks.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM 171 (currently Bundaberg)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "LaFrance" wrote:

Does anyone know the rigging tension required for the SM model.

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently in St Marteen


Re: Standing Rigging Tension

Barry <seagasm@...>
 

I am of the opinion, thumping the shrouds with a rubber mallet as posted previously on this site to determine the tension is a load of crap. I downloaded a manual (and there are quite a few) on masts and rigging from Seldens Rigging and Masts site, in particular "Hints and Advice" manual at http://www.seldenmast.com/frameset.cfm?id=6828, There is a method on Tensioning the cap shrouds on page 28. I downloaded this PDF to my iPad and saved it to access in my Reference folder in iBooks.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM 171 (currently Bundaberg)

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "LaFrance" wrote:

Does anyone know the rigging tension required for the SM model.

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently in St Marteen


Re: [Amel] Standing Rigging Tension

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Paul thanks for the call regarding fore and aft stays. The fore stay must be tight so the can be no flex in the stay, the roll track, or the head sail tape. It must come up very tight.

The aft stay on the stern is last to be tighten. It need to have tension on it not flopping around as it provides the needed opposite force on the mizzen, triac, and head stay when running off the wind or hard on it. This is a smaller wire and there fore does stretch a fair amount. Bring it up so you have tension. You don't have to make it overly tight. I realize this is a "soft" technical answer however its the best I can provide in words.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:50, "LaFrance" <pflafrance@hotmail.com> wrote:

Does anyone know the rigging tension required for the SM model.

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently in St Marteen



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Re: [Amel] Standing Rigging Tension

Dave_Benjamin
 

Richard,

For the Maramu, which as you know is single spreader, do you advise that level of tension on aft lowers as well?

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 wrote:

Hi all the stays need to be very tight. Using a wood hammer handle tap each stay if it has a sharp ring its good if "flat" it is not. When going to the wind the lee stays must not go slack.
When adjusting be sure to lay on deck and look up the mast to be sure you are keeping it in column/ straight.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:50, "LaFrance" wrote:

Does anyone know the rigging tension required for the SM model.

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently in St Marteen





Re: Hydranet sails

Dave_Benjamin
 

That was a few years ago when I wrote that post. Customer sold the boat last year but feedback was quite positive. That sail will be good for quite some time.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, svperegrinus wrote:

Hello,

And what has been your experience with the carbon/technora sails?

Best,



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Please note that Dimension Polyant manufactures two types of Hydranet cloth. One is a crosscut and the other is radial.

The crosscut has not held up well so not too many sailmakers will recommend it.

The radial cloth is excellent, however quite expensive.

We are building sails for a Catana catamaran right now using carbon/technora load path membrane which is more economical.

International demand for Hydranet is so low that Dimension Polyant now only manufactures when they have an order.


Re: [Amel] Standing Rigging Tension

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi all the stays need to be very tight. Using a wood hammer handle tap each stay if it has a sharp ring its good if "flat" it is not. When going to the wind the lee stays must not go slack.
When adjusting be sure to lay on deck and look up the mast to be sure you are keeping it in column/ straight.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 10, 2013, at 11:50, "LaFrance" <pflafrance@hotmail.com> wrote:

Does anyone know the rigging tension required for the SM model.

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently in St Marteen



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Standing Rigging Tension

LaFrance <pflafrance@...>
 

Does anyone know the rigging tension required for the SM model.

Paul & Sue LaFrance
SV NOMAD SM #362
Currently in St Marteen


Re: Hydranet sails

svperegrinus <no_reply@...>
 

Hello,

And what has been your experience with the carbon/technora sails?

Best,

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" wrote:

Please note that Dimension Polyant manufactures two types of Hydranet cloth. One is a crosscut and the other is radial.

The crosscut has not held up well so not too many sailmakers will recommend it.

The radial cloth is excellent, however quite expensive.

We are building sails for a Catana catamaran right now using carbon/technora load path membrane which is more economical.

International demand for Hydranet is so low that Dimension Polyant now only manufactures when they have an order.


Re: [Amel] Re: Yanmar 75hp plus ZF30M with shaft alternator on a Maramu

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Dear John, I emailed Brunton to enquire about this issue, their reply is below. I responded with  further queries and he responded that every Amel since 1999 had been fitted with the auto prop and there had been no issues of clutch plate wearing. I did believe there may be a problem but he has reassured me.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
 
Dear Mr Simms,
The method to feather the propeller is exactly as you describe: leave the gearbox in forward gear.
There is no need to fit a shaft brake on your boat.
Regards
Toby Ramsay
Bruntons Propellers Ltd


From: jjjk12s <jjjk12s@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 8 February 2013 10:40 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Yanmar 75hp plus ZF30M with shaft alternator on a Maramu

 
Richard,

Thanks. As I understand it these smaller ZF mechanical boxes can be freewheeled or left in reverse to lock the shaft. They should not be left in forward or the clutch plates wear out. Maybe anyone can correct me if I am wrong.

John, Maramu #91 Popeye

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 wrote:

Not Not sure about the bracket holes but you must be sure that that transmission will survive freewheeling to run the alternator off the transmission shaft.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 6, 2013, at 23:47, "jjjk12s" wrote:

Is there anyone with a ZF30M gearbox who happens to know if there are bolt holes to mount a shaft alternator bracket like those present on the ZF25M (Hurth 250)? The Yanmar 75hp can be bought standard with the ZF30M rather than the ZF25M. I am replacing a Perkins M60/ZF25M.

John, Maramu #91 Popeye



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Re: [Amel] Inner forestay drawing

Alan Leslie
 

There seem to be a lot of Super Maramus out there with inner forestays.

DO we assume that they are all as per the JFP modification ? ie just lashed to the cleat with no below deck support.

Seems to me ANY inner forestay needs a direct attachment to the stem below decks, otherwise it could pull the deck apart.

Anybody got a Super Maramu with an inner forestay that's done properly ?
AND photos of how it was done ?

I'm buying a Super Maramu that has an inner forestay...but if its not done properly, this will need to be rectified.

Cheers
Alan
SY DIVA

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Joel F Potter" wrote:

Uh Oh.

Eric, the JFP on that drawing is me. Several months after I sent that to
you, I got reamed, but good, by Jacques Carteau. He found out I was
encouraging this modification and proceeded to inform me that:



1. The foredeck cleat was never designed with any vertical tension loads
in mind, only horizontal shearing loads.

2. None of the plywood in the forepeak, on the horizontal plane, is
designed to be structural in any way other than a slight amount of
stiffening to the hull skins in this area. They are designed primarily as
compartmentalizing components, not structural ones.

3. To be done properly, the tension load from the inner forestay would
need to be carried directly into the stem area and a substantial stainless
steel structural member would need to be mounted inside the stem with an
equally substantial backing plate on the outside of the stemhead.

4. DON'T DO THIS MOD AS DRAWN!!! If the mast pumps, even slightly as it
can when falling off a way or stuffing the bow into a big wave, it will
overload everything this mistake is attached to. Eventually it can cause
severe damage to the foredeck and the hull/deck union.

5. Jacques Carteau went on to imply that I didn't know who my parents
were and suggested I do some things that are anatomically impossible.
Jacques Carteau, as most of us know, was the eyes of Captain Amel and
actually was the designer of a great many parts of the boat, based on input
from the Captain.



Eric, I neglected to remember to tell you this was a bone head idea, and I
apologize. It was based on a modification that one of my customers had done.
Because he was, really and truly, a rocket scientist that worked for
Lockheed, I thought he could be trusted. Nope. My ears are still ringing
from Carteau's reprimand.



I was and am quite embarrassed by this.



Please, don't do this!



All the best,

Joel



Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...

www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sailorman
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 3:41 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Inner forestay drawing





I received this from Amel years ago.

It is also posted in Kimberlite Photo File.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
]
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 3:30 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

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