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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Hanspeter,

You went about it the right way and took advantage of the Amel improvement philosophy.  Instead of justifying moving batteries to the engine compartment because that's where they used to be located on 20-year-old boats, you took what Amel had learned and incorporated into newer boats, and applied it to an older boat.  Smart thinking.

Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada


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To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:35 AM
Subject: AW: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Steve
don't worry about installing some batteries in the engine compartment. Older SM's (I guess until # 70) had at
this time only 4 service plus one starter batteries in the engine room. We had never any problem. Meanwhile I installed
10 105 ah pieces (Varta) in the compartment cabine like the new SM's. Some timber work to do, and we loosed some very
nice cupboards there.
Fair winds
Hanspeter
SM#16
Krusadasi, Turkey

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Hi Danny,

My only concern with the
batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with
"sparky" things nearby.  Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,

Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada

________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
simms@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February
27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Hi all, won't get
into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main
engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their
own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery
failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy.
Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in
three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From:
Steve Constantine svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:
Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 

Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs
had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead
of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it
will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-
D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

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Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re:
[Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you
probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling
me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me
if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't
have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Dave_Benjamin
 

We have 8D's in the engine room. It's actually been pretty easy to manage getting them in and out with the mizzen staysail halyard, I've used a snatch block as a fairlead of sorts. On most boats I'd never want an 8D because they are so bloody heavy but it really has not been too much work getting them in and out.

Regards,
Dave Benjamin
S/V Exit Strategy
Maramu #29

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...> wrote:

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve


Re: [Amel] Re: Sharki diferances

Deansotham <deansotham@...>
 

Was a stern sugar scoop a factory option on the Sharki or a laterdate individual modification?

Thanks for all you feedback, I am seriously looking into buying a Sharki, so if anyone knows of someone that is interested in selling please let me know.

Thanks again

Cheers

Peter Sotham
deansotham@...

On 28/02/2013, at 13:56, Mark Susman <mpsusman@...> wrote:

HI all. I own a Sharki, #80, which has a sugar scoop making her around 41
feet in length. Are there any others with a sugar scoop? Could this be the
difference?
Mark


South pacific??

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Cheaper but not near so much fun

 
Danny SM299
Ocean Pearl
From: Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Friday, 1 March 2013 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Danny,

Slim to none.  For that part of the world, we'll probably fly and rent a place for six months.  Way cheaper.

Take care,

Steve and Donna

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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Hi Steve,
the boat came so equipped. We have two 24 volt blowers and one 220v blower ventilating the engine space, should deal with most of it. The gas is produced while charging and when either the genset or the motor are running the blowers are going so we should be OK.
Hi to you both too. Incredible how you can meet, spend time together and then get separated by an ocean or two. Any chance of you two sailing to the South Pacific?
Kind Regards
Danny
SV ocean pearl
 SM299

From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.commailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Hi Danny,

My only concern with the batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with "sparky" things nearby.  Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,

Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada

________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS mailto:simms%40xtra.co.nz>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Hi all, won't get into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy. Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

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To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.commailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups..com>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

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Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: Sharki diferances

Mark Susman <mpsusman@...>
 

HI all. I own a Sharki, #80, which has a sugar scoop making her around 41
feet in length. Are there any others with a sugar scoop? Could this be the
difference?
Mark


Re: [Amel] Bow Thruster Problem

amelforme
 

Hi Gary, that motor has a lot of "meat" on the commutator and should be able
to be turned on a lathe to perfect status at least once. I would get the
brushes and take to motor to any good commercial electric motor supply and
repair shop which you can find online or in the local yellow pages. They can
most likely rebuild it as good as new and will probably tell you up front if
they can't.

Lowell and Sharon Blossom enjoyed meeting you two. Lowell is responsible for
several of my bad/expensive habits and hobbies.



All the best,

Joel





Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...

www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of bozo_cinq
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 9:26 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Bow Thruster Problem





On my AMEL 54 #44 I have a Side Power Bow Thruster (model #SP155TCi). It
looks like my carbon brushes in the electronic motor need replacing as they
have worn out. Has any one had this problem? If so, what did you do to
correct the problem? Did you order and replace the carbon brushes or did you
have to replace the electric motor? Any other comments would be welcome.
Thank you,
Gary


Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi for many years the Maramu has all its batteries in the engine room with no problem. Keep in mind when the alternators or the starter is running so are the exhaust fans.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 27, 2013, at 20:14, Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

My only concern with the batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with "sparky" things nearby. Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,

Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada

________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package



Hi all, won't get into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy. Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From: Steve Constantine svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment. The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries. I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery. The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

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Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters


Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting). I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't. If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Re: Sharki diferances

amelforme
 

They came out of the exact same tooling/mold. The 41' is overall length and
the 39' is stem to stern.



All the best,

Joel F. Potter





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Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...

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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of paolo
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:23 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: Sharki diferances






No differences because Sharki is only one model, 11,95 mts i.e 39ft,and if
someone talk about 41 ft, is because, I suppose,it looks like bigger only
for love!

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "petersotham" wrote:

Could some one tell me the diferances between the Sharki 39 and the Sharki
41' other than the lenght, I would like to know interior changes and where
the 2 foot diferance is most noticeable.
Thank you very much. Peter


Re: Sharki diferances

paolo <paolopepere@...>
 

No differences because Sharki is only one model, 11,95 mts i.e 39ft,and if someone talk about 41 ft, is because, I suppose,it looks like bigger only for love!

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "petersotham" <deansotham@...> wrote:

Could some one tell me the diferances between the Sharki 39 and the Sharki 41' other than the lenght, I would like to know interior changes and where the 2 foot diferance is most noticeable.
Thank you very much. Peter


Sharki diferances

petersotham <deansotham@...>
 

Could some one tell me the diferances between the Sharki 39 and the Sharki 41' other than the lenght, I would like to know interior changes and where the 2 foot diferance is most noticeable.
Thank you very much. Peter


Bow Thruster Problem

bozo_cinq <bozocinq@...>
 

On my AMEL 54 #44 I have a Side Power Bow Thruster (model #SP155TCi). It looks like my carbon brushes in the electronic motor need replacing as they have worn out. Has any one had this problem? If so, what did you do to correct the problem? Did you order and replace the carbon brushes or did you have to replace the electric motor? Any other comments would be welcome.
Thank you,
Gary


Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Danny,

Slim to none.  For that part of the world, we'll probably fly and rent a place for six months.  Way cheaper.

Take care,

Steve and Donna


________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Hi Steve,
the boat came so equipped. We have two 24 volt blowers and one 220v blower ventilating the engine space, should deal with most of it. The gas is produced while charging and when either the genset or the motor are running the blowers are going so we should be OK.
Hi to you both too. Incredible how you can meet, spend time together and then get separated by an ocean or two. Any chance of you two sailing to the South Pacific?
Kind Regards
Danny
SV ocean pearl
 SM299

From: Steve Constantine svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Hi Danny,

My only concern with the batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with "sparky" things nearby.  Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,

Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada

________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS mailto:simms%40xtra.co.nz>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Hi all, won't get into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy. Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.commailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups..com>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

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Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

hanspeter baettig
 

Steve
don't worry about installing some batteries in the engine compartment. Older SM's (I guess until # 70) had at
this time only 4 service plus one starter batteries in the engine room. We had never any problem. Meanwhile I installed
10 105 ah pieces (Varta) in the compartment cabine like the new SM's. Some timber work to do, and we loosed some very
nice cupboards there.
Fair winds
Hanspeter
SM#16
Krusadasi, Turkey

----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
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svsummerlove@...
Datum: 28.02.2013 02:14
An: "amelyachtowners@..."<amelyachtowners@...>

Betreff: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Hi Danny,

My only concern with the
batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with
"sparky" things nearby.  Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,


Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada


________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
<simms@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February
27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Hi all, won't get
into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main
engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their
own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery
failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy.
Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in
three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From:
Steve Constantine svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Sent:
Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 

Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs
had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead
of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it
will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-
D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve


________________________________
From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%
40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re:
[Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you
probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling
me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me
if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't
have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

hanspeter baettig
 

Great reply Joel. Your are absolutly correct with your input concerning this forum.
Hanspeter
SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey


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Joel,

Damn the luck.  I don't suppose anyone has one of those cool Starship Enterprise saloon lamps for sale, do
they?    :-)

Steve


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To:
amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Battery Chargers and
Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Steve is right about the ‘Comfort Pac’ option which included more batteries in
a widened containment ( the four extra batteries are mounted fore and aft at the inboard area rather than athwart ), a
100HP Yanmar, dual racors, bigger alternator, four burner stove with a bigger oven ( turkey, yes…small one ) Starship
Enterprise saloon lamp over the dinette, 100 amp and 30 amp chargers rather than one 50 amp, double bow roller assembly
in stainless steel, and a 125 or 175 amp alternator on the main engine.

Indeed the batteries were kept in 31 series
rather than 8D’s to facilitate easier installation. When I noted that the new box would also hold 8D’s, as I had
secretly manipulated for, Jacques Carteau who knew I am slightly scheming, hollered, “ Stop Pushing!!! ‘’ when I asked
for this added option of 8D’s. He said French shipyard workers are not great big dudes like guys from Texas, or perhaps
Saskatchewan and it would cause injury to these Frenchies totting those big fat batteries around. At least the box is
big enough if you happen to be related to someone from one of the aforementioned areas to assist in the installation…


Steve, you hoser, the guy who ordered your boat was the only guy in North America to buy a new Amel when this option
became available that I could not talk into the Comfort Pac. What did I tell ya?!? Regarding your running commentary
and conclusions, I would have to say that my experiences bear out the correctness of what you say. The great thing
about having sold more Amel boats, used and new combined than anyone else, is the great fountain of extremely useful
information I am able to harvest from folks who have long term usage of their Amel and thoughtfully considered all the
systems during the time they were aboard. Nobody is more honest than a cruiser who is done, swallowed the anchor, who
has just sold the boat and been paid in full. No more ego to salve and the truth then outs!

I think it is good advice
to get all the opinions one can gather from thoughtful experienced cruisers who take a conservative approach to
upgrading and modifying things, when considering what to change and what not to mess with. The
newest/latest/greatest/state of the art stuff usually has weakness than manifests itself in beta site applications,
that evolves to more useful status with a bit of time and maturing.

It makes me proud of all of you that this site is
so civilized and generally useful compared to other high end production cruisers sites whom we compete with. Other
sites always have at least a couple of owners who are ready to burn someone’s house down and salt their fields. In
addition to all the good that comes out of our exchanges, the fact that we don’t “eat our young” as it were also adds
value when time to sell comes around and prospective Amel owners start sniffing around. This is very important.

All
the best,

Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas


Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869
Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...

www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On
Behalf Of Steve Constantine
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re:
[Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely
remembered about the size of the battery compartment. The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort
Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries. I've never seen one, so I
can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31
starting battery. The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and
replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

________________________________
From:
Steve Constantine svsummerlove@... >
To: "amelyachtowners@... " amelyachtowners@... >

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

Hi Kent,

Summer Love
(SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225
house, plus 1 starting). I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the
battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul
is able to fit 12 of them and we can't. If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9
batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Steve,
the boat came so equipped. We have two 24 volt blowers and one 220v blower ventilating the engine space, should deal with most of it. The gas is produced while charging and when either the genset or the motor are running the blowers are going so we should be OK.
Hi to you both too. Incredible how you can meet, spend time together and then get separated by an ocean or two. Any chance of you two sailing to the South Pacific?
Kind Regards
Danny
SV ocean pearl
 SM299

From: Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Hi Danny,

My only concern with the batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with "sparky" things nearby.  Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,

Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada

________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS mailto:simms%40xtra.co.nz>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Hi all, won't get into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy. Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.commailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups..com>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

________________________________
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To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Hi Danny,

My only concern with the batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with "sparky" things nearby.  Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,

Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada


________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Hi all, won't get into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy. Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From: Steve Constantine svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

________________________________
From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Joel,

Damn the luck.  I don't suppose anyone has one of those cool Starship Enterprise saloon lamps for sale, do they?    :-)

Steve


________________________________
From: Joel F Potter <jfpottercys@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Steve is right about the ‘Comfort Pac’ option which included more batteries in a widened containment ( the four extra batteries are mounted fore and aft at the inboard area rather than athwart ), a 100HP Yanmar, dual racors, bigger alternator, four burner stove with a bigger oven ( turkey, yes…small one ) Starship Enterprise saloon lamp over the dinette, 100 amp and 30 amp chargers rather than one 50 amp, double bow roller assembly in stainless steel, and a 125 or 175 amp alternator on the main engine.

Indeed the batteries were kept in 31 series rather than 8D’s to facilitate easier installation. When I noted that the new box would also hold 8D’s, as I had secretly manipulated for, Jacques Carteau who knew I am slightly scheming, hollered, “ Stop Pushing!!! ‘’ when I asked for this added option of 8D’s. He said French shipyard workers are not great big dudes like guys from Texas, or perhaps Saskatchewan and it would cause injury to these Frenchies totting those big fat batteries around. At least the box is big enough if you happen to be related to someone from one of the aforementioned areas to assist in the installation…

Steve, you hoser, the guy who ordered your boat was the only guy in North America to buy a new Amel when this option became available that I could not talk into the Comfort Pac. What did I tell ya?!? Regarding your running commentary and conclusions, I would have to say that my experiences bear out the correctness of what you say. The great thing about having sold more Amel boats, used and new combined than anyone else, is the great fountain of extremely useful information I am able to harvest from folks who have long term usage of their Amel and thoughtfully considered all the systems during the time they were aboard. Nobody is more honest than a cruiser who is done, swallowed the anchor, who has just sold the boat and been paid in full. No more ego to salve and the truth then outs!

I think it is good advice to get all the opinions one can gather from thoughtful experienced cruisers who take a conservative approach to upgrading and modifying things, when considering what to change and what not to mess with. The newest/latest/greatest/state of the art stuff usually has weakness than manifests itself in beta site applications, that evolves to more useful status with a bit of time and maturing.

It makes me proud of all of you that this site is so civilized and generally useful compared to other high end production cruisers sites whom we compete with. Other sites always have at least a couple of owners who are ready to burn someone’s house down and salt their fields. In addition to all the good that comes out of our exchanges, the fact that we don’t “eat our young” as it were also adds value when time to sell comes around and prospective Amel owners start sniffing around. This is very important.

All the best,

Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...

www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Steve Constantine
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment. The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries. I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery. The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

________________________________
From: Steve Constantine svsummerlove@... >
To: "amelyachtowners@... " amelyachtowners@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting). I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't. If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Running cables in Mizzen Mast

andrewbuglerlamb@ymail.com <andrew@...>
 

I have been trying to run a coax cable from a 3G antenna mounted just above the radar on the mizzen-mast. There did not seem to be enough space to run it down beside the radar cable so given that there was also a cord running from the top of the mast to the base on the starboard side I thought that it would be possible to drill a hole in the starboard side (the radar cable goes down the Port side) and pick up the cord half way down the mast. The cable runs on either side of the mast seem to be in the gutter between the furling channel at the stern of the mast and a space in the front of the mast (where the sail halyard runs) confirmed also by viewing the cord on the Port side through the hole for the radar cable. However to my surprise when I drilled a hole into the equivalent gutter on the starboard side I could confirm that I was in the gutter but no cord or mast head antenna cable were visible (which runs down the Starboard side). When I look at both the top and bottom of the mast the cable and cord both enter in this space. So my question is – does anyone know where the cable run goes in between the top and the bottom?

SM 472 - Ronpische


Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all, won't get into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy. Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From: Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

________________________________
From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters


 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Shore power converter plug US 30 or 50 amp to European 32 amp

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi you and get a plug that you have to wire. There are no adaptors.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:41, "Alex" <uster@...> wrote:

NIKIMAT (SM2K #289) is now in Key West (with some batteries problem), the system is 220 Volt, is equipped with the 110/220 converter, but there is no adapter to connect to its European 32 amp shore power connector to the US marina (30 or 50 AMP shore).
Where can I find these? Any advice?
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K # 289 NIKIMAT
http://nikimat.com/
In Key West – en route from Martinique to Galveston, Texas.



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