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Re: Sharki diferances

paolo <paolopepere@...>
 

No differences because Sharki is only one model, 11,95 mts i.e 39ft,and if someone talk about 41 ft, is because, I suppose,it looks like bigger only for love!

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "petersotham" <deansotham@...> wrote:

Could some one tell me the diferances between the Sharki 39 and the Sharki 41' other than the lenght, I would like to know interior changes and where the 2 foot diferance is most noticeable.
Thank you very much. Peter


Sharki diferances

petersotham <deansotham@...>
 

Could some one tell me the diferances between the Sharki 39 and the Sharki 41' other than the lenght, I would like to know interior changes and where the 2 foot diferance is most noticeable.
Thank you very much. Peter


Bow Thruster Problem

bozo_cinq <bozocinq@...>
 

On my AMEL 54 #44 I have a Side Power Bow Thruster (model #SP155TCi). It looks like my carbon brushes in the electronic motor need replacing as they have worn out. Has any one had this problem? If so, what did you do to correct the problem? Did you order and replace the carbon brushes or did you have to replace the electric motor? Any other comments would be welcome.
Thank you,
Gary


Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Danny,

Slim to none.  For that part of the world, we'll probably fly and rent a place for six months.  Way cheaper.

Take care,

Steve and Donna


________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Hi Steve,
the boat came so equipped. We have two 24 volt blowers and one 220v blower ventilating the engine space, should deal with most of it. The gas is produced while charging and when either the genset or the motor are running the blowers are going so we should be OK.
Hi to you both too. Incredible how you can meet, spend time together and then get separated by an ocean or two. Any chance of you two sailing to the South Pacific?
Kind Regards
Danny
SV ocean pearl
 SM299

From: Steve Constantine svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Hi Danny,

My only concern with the batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with "sparky" things nearby.  Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,

Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada

________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS mailto:simms%40xtra.co.nz>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Hi all, won't get into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy. Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.commailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups..com>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

________________________________
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To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

hanspeter baettig
 

Steve
don't worry about installing some batteries in the engine compartment. Older SM's (I guess until # 70) had at
this time only 4 service plus one starter batteries in the engine room. We had never any problem. Meanwhile I installed
10 105 ah pieces (Varta) in the compartment cabine like the new SM's. Some timber work to do, and we loosed some very
nice cupboards there.
Fair winds
Hanspeter
SM#16
Krusadasi, Turkey

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Von:
svsummerlove@...
Datum: 28.02.2013 02:14
An: "amelyachtowners@..."<amelyachtowners@...>

Betreff: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Hi Danny,

My only concern with the
batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with
"sparky" things nearby.  Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,


Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada


________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
<simms@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February
27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Hi all, won't get
into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main
engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their
own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery
failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy.
Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in
three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From:
Steve Constantine svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Sent:
Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 

Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs
had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead
of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it
will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-
D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve


________________________________
From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%
40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re:
[Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you
probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling
me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me
if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't
have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

hanspeter baettig
 

Great reply Joel. Your are absolutly correct with your input concerning this forum.
Hanspeter
SM #16
Krusadasi, Turkey


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Joel,

Damn the luck.  I don't suppose anyone has one of those cool Starship Enterprise saloon lamps for sale, do
they?    :-)

Steve


________________________________
From: Joel F Potter <jfpottercys@...>
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Battery Chargers and
Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Steve is right about the ‘Comfort Pac’ option which included more batteries in
a widened containment ( the four extra batteries are mounted fore and aft at the inboard area rather than athwart ), a
100HP Yanmar, dual racors, bigger alternator, four burner stove with a bigger oven ( turkey, yes…small one ) Starship
Enterprise saloon lamp over the dinette, 100 amp and 30 amp chargers rather than one 50 amp, double bow roller assembly
in stainless steel, and a 125 or 175 amp alternator on the main engine.

Indeed the batteries were kept in 31 series
rather than 8D’s to facilitate easier installation. When I noted that the new box would also hold 8D’s, as I had
secretly manipulated for, Jacques Carteau who knew I am slightly scheming, hollered, “ Stop Pushing!!! ‘’ when I asked
for this added option of 8D’s. He said French shipyard workers are not great big dudes like guys from Texas, or perhaps
Saskatchewan and it would cause injury to these Frenchies totting those big fat batteries around. At least the box is
big enough if you happen to be related to someone from one of the aforementioned areas to assist in the installation…


Steve, you hoser, the guy who ordered your boat was the only guy in North America to buy a new Amel when this option
became available that I could not talk into the Comfort Pac. What did I tell ya?!? Regarding your running commentary
and conclusions, I would have to say that my experiences bear out the correctness of what you say. The great thing
about having sold more Amel boats, used and new combined than anyone else, is the great fountain of extremely useful
information I am able to harvest from folks who have long term usage of their Amel and thoughtfully considered all the
systems during the time they were aboard. Nobody is more honest than a cruiser who is done, swallowed the anchor, who
has just sold the boat and been paid in full. No more ego to salve and the truth then outs!

I think it is good advice
to get all the opinions one can gather from thoughtful experienced cruisers who take a conservative approach to
upgrading and modifying things, when considering what to change and what not to mess with. The
newest/latest/greatest/state of the art stuff usually has weakness than manifests itself in beta site applications,
that evolves to more useful status with a bit of time and maturing.

It makes me proud of all of you that this site is
so civilized and generally useful compared to other high end production cruisers sites whom we compete with. Other
sites always have at least a couple of owners who are ready to burn someone’s house down and salt their fields. In
addition to all the good that comes out of our exchanges, the fact that we don’t “eat our young” as it were also adds
value when time to sell comes around and prospective Amel owners start sniffing around. This is very important.

All
the best,

Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas


Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869
Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...

www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On
Behalf Of Steve Constantine
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re:
[Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely
remembered about the size of the battery compartment. The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort
Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries. I've never seen one, so I
can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31
starting battery. The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and
replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

________________________________
From:
Steve Constantine svsummerlove@... >
To: "amelyachtowners@... " amelyachtowners@... >

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

Hi Kent,

Summer Love
(SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225
house, plus 1 starting). I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the
battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul
is able to fit 12 of them and we can't. If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9
batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Steve,
the boat came so equipped. We have two 24 volt blowers and one 220v blower ventilating the engine space, should deal with most of it. The gas is produced while charging and when either the genset or the motor are running the blowers are going so we should be OK.
Hi to you both too. Incredible how you can meet, spend time together and then get separated by an ocean or two. Any chance of you two sailing to the South Pacific?
Kind Regards
Danny
SV ocean pearl
 SM299

From: Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Hi Danny,

My only concern with the batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with "sparky" things nearby.  Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,

Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada

________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS mailto:simms%40xtra.co.nz>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Hi all, won't get into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy. Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.commailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups..com>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

________________________________
From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Hi Danny,

My only concern with the batteries being in the engine compartment is the potential for hydrogen gas accumulation in an enclosed area with "sparky" things nearby.  Did you install any venting specifically for the starting batteries?

Say hi to Yvonne,

Regards,

Steve
Summer Love
SM340
Currently Grenada


________________________________
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Hi all, won't get into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy. Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From: Steve Constantine svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

________________________________
From: Steve Constantine mailto:svsummerlove%40yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Joel,

Damn the luck.  I don't suppose anyone has one of those cool Starship Enterprise saloon lamps for sale, do they?    :-)

Steve


________________________________
From: Joel F Potter <jfpottercys@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package


 
Steve is right about the ‘Comfort Pac’ option which included more batteries in a widened containment ( the four extra batteries are mounted fore and aft at the inboard area rather than athwart ), a 100HP Yanmar, dual racors, bigger alternator, four burner stove with a bigger oven ( turkey, yes…small one ) Starship Enterprise saloon lamp over the dinette, 100 amp and 30 amp chargers rather than one 50 amp, double bow roller assembly in stainless steel, and a 125 or 175 amp alternator on the main engine.

Indeed the batteries were kept in 31 series rather than 8D’s to facilitate easier installation. When I noted that the new box would also hold 8D’s, as I had secretly manipulated for, Jacques Carteau who knew I am slightly scheming, hollered, “ Stop Pushing!!! ‘’ when I asked for this added option of 8D’s. He said French shipyard workers are not great big dudes like guys from Texas, or perhaps Saskatchewan and it would cause injury to these Frenchies totting those big fat batteries around. At least the box is big enough if you happen to be related to someone from one of the aforementioned areas to assist in the installation…

Steve, you hoser, the guy who ordered your boat was the only guy in North America to buy a new Amel when this option became available that I could not talk into the Comfort Pac. What did I tell ya?!? Regarding your running commentary and conclusions, I would have to say that my experiences bear out the correctness of what you say. The great thing about having sold more Amel boats, used and new combined than anyone else, is the great fountain of extremely useful information I am able to harvest from folks who have long term usage of their Amel and thoughtfully considered all the systems during the time they were aboard. Nobody is more honest than a cruiser who is done, swallowed the anchor, who has just sold the boat and been paid in full. No more ego to salve and the truth then outs!

I think it is good advice to get all the opinions one can gather from thoughtful experienced cruisers who take a conservative approach to upgrading and modifying things, when considering what to change and what not to mess with. The newest/latest/greatest/state of the art stuff usually has weakness than manifests itself in beta site applications, that evolves to more useful status with a bit of time and maturing.

It makes me proud of all of you that this site is so civilized and generally useful compared to other high end production cruisers sites whom we compete with. Other sites always have at least a couple of owners who are ready to burn someone’s house down and salt their fields. In addition to all the good that comes out of our exchanges, the fact that we don’t “eat our young” as it were also adds value when time to sell comes around and prospective Amel owners start sniffing around. This is very important.

All the best,

Joel F. Potter

Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...

www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Steve Constantine
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment. The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries. I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery. The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

________________________________
From: Steve Constantine svsummerlove@... >
To: "amelyachtowners@... " amelyachtowners@... >
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting). I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't. If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Running cables in Mizzen Mast

andrewbuglerlamb@ymail.com <andrew@...>
 

I have been trying to run a coax cable from a 3G antenna mounted just above the radar on the mizzen-mast. There did not seem to be enough space to run it down beside the radar cable so given that there was also a cord running from the top of the mast to the base on the starboard side I thought that it would be possible to drill a hole in the starboard side (the radar cable goes down the Port side) and pick up the cord half way down the mast. The cable runs on either side of the mast seem to be in the gutter between the furling channel at the stern of the mast and a space in the front of the mast (where the sail halyard runs) confirmed also by viewing the cord on the Port side through the hole for the radar cable. However to my surprise when I drilled a hole into the equivalent gutter on the starboard side I could confirm that I was in the gutter but no cord or mast head antenna cable were visible (which runs down the Starboard side). When I look at both the top and bottom of the mast the cable and cord both enter in this space. So my question is – does anyone know where the cable run goes in between the top and the bottom?

SM 472 - Ronpische


Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all, won't get into the discussion on battery size etc but just to say that we have our two starting batteries (one gen set, one main engine) in the engine room against the aft bulkhead strapped down in battery boxes. They each are connected to their own motor but there is a connecting switch between them by which either can do either engine in the event of a battery failing. Further we have long jumper leads that will reach from the house bank to either engine, talk about redundancy. Anyway the point is, by moving the starting batteries to the engine room we can fit 12 6 volt golf cart batteries (in three banks of 4x24v) in the house bank area.
Cheers
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
Currently Home Port Mangonui NZ

From: Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2013 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

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Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Shore power converter plug US 30 or 50 amp to European 32 amp

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi you and get a plug that you have to wire. There are no adaptors.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:41, "Alex" <uster@...> wrote:

NIKIMAT (SM2K #289) is now in Key West (with some batteries problem), the system is 220 Volt, is equipped with the 110/220 converter, but there is no adapter to connect to its European 32 amp shore power connector to the US marina (30 or 50 AMP shore).
Where can I find these? Any advice?
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K # 289 NIKIMAT
http://nikimat.com/
In Key West – en route from Martinique to Galveston, Texas.



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Shore power converter plug US 30 or 50 amp to European 32 amp

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

NIKIMAT (SM2K #289) is now in Key West (with some batteries problem), the system is 220 Volt, is equipped with the 110/220 converter, but there is no adapter to connect to its European 32 amp shore power connector to the US marina (30 or 50 AMP shore).
Where can I find these? Any advice?
Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K # 289 NIKIMAT
http://nikimat.com/
In Key West – en route from Martinique to Galveston, Texas.


Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

amelforme
 

Steve is right about the ‘Comfort Pac’ option which included more batteries in a widened containment ( the four extra batteries are mounted fore and aft at the inboard area rather than athwart ), a 100HP Yanmar, dual racors, bigger alternator, four burner stove with a bigger oven ( turkey, yes…small one ) Starship Enterprise saloon lamp over the dinette, 100 amp and 30 amp chargers rather than one 50 amp, double bow roller assembly in stainless steel, and a 125 or 175 amp alternator on the main engine.



Indeed the batteries were kept in 31 series rather than 8D’s to facilitate easier installation. When I noted that the new box would also hold 8D’s, as I had secretly manipulated for, Jacques Carteau who knew I am slightly scheming, hollered, “ Stop Pushing!!! ‘’ when I asked for this added option of 8D’s. He said French shipyard workers are not great big dudes like guys from Texas, or perhaps Saskatchewan and it would cause injury to these Frenchies totting those big fat batteries around. At least the box is big enough if you happen to be related to someone from one of the aforementioned areas to assist in the installation…



Steve, you hoser, the guy who ordered your boat was the only guy in North America to buy a new Amel when this option became available that I could not talk into the Comfort Pac. What did I tell ya?!? Regarding your running commentary and conclusions, I would have to say that my experiences bear out the correctness of what you say. The great thing about having sold more Amel boats, used and new combined than anyone else, is the great fountain of extremely useful information I am able to harvest from folks who have long term usage of their Amel and thoughtfully considered all the systems during the time they were aboard. Nobody is more honest than a cruiser who is done, swallowed the anchor, who has just sold the boat and been paid in full. No more ego to salve and the truth then outs!



I think it is good advice to get all the opinions one can gather from thoughtful experienced cruisers who take a conservative approach to upgrading and modifying things, when considering what to change and what not to mess with. The newest/latest/greatest/state of the art stuff usually has weakness than manifests itself in beta site applications, that evolves to more useful status with a bit of time and maturing.



It makes me proud of all of you that this site is so civilized and generally useful compared to other high end production cruisers sites whom we compete with. Other sites always have at least a couple of owners who are ready to burn someone’s house down and salt their fields. In addition to all the good that comes out of our exchanges, the fact that we don’t “eat our young” as it were also adds value when time to sell comes around and prospective Amel owners start sniffing around. This is very important.



All the best,

Joel F. Potter





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Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment. The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries. I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery. The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

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Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters



Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting). I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't. If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

karkauai
 

That's good info, Steve.  I had never heard that before this discussion.  No wonder I was confused about how to put that many batteries in my boat.
 
I'm still looking, but have found an AIMS 85A charger/4KW inverter that can produce 50 or 60 Hz, 110 or 220V AC for $1900.  It is also ready for solar input should I decide to add a couple of panels in the future.
 
I'll let you all know what I decide.
Kent
SM243
KRISTY


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From: Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

 
Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters Update - Comfort Package

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Kent,

I finally tracked down the info I vaguely remembered about the size of the battery compartment.  The later SMs had an option available called the "Comfort Package", which included an increase in the size to accommodate 13 instead of 9 batteries.  I've never seen one, so I can't say where they found the extra room.

The interesting thing is that it will also hold four 8-Ds plus a G-31 starting battery.  The obvious downside is the weight and physical size of the 8-D, because installation and replacement would be a lot more challenging for the average Amel owner.

Steve


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Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters


 
Hi Kent,

Summer Love (SM340) has the same size battery compartment that you probably have on Kristy (i.e. 8 - 12V size 30H Trojan SCS225 house, plus 1 starting).  I seem to remember Joel telling me that he had convinced Amel to increase the size of the battery compartment on the later model SMs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this, Joel), which would explain why Paul is able to fit 12 of them and we can't.  If "Kristy" doesn't have the larger compartment, you'll be limited to 9 batteries...



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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Kent we have SM209. It has the same batt box as your boat. It holds 8 deep cycle at 24 volts that is 500 Amps and 1 cranking batt. We charge with one smart 80 amp charger. When the voltage gets to 27 volts it goes to float. Therefore we use ONLY THE SMART CHARGER and have for done so running the gen set or shore power at 220 v at either 50 or 60 cyc. It makes it very simple. Call should you wish to call please do.

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Feb 25, 2013, at 19:20, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks Eric.
You're right, the group 31's are about an inch longer and 3/4" taller than the group 27's. I couldn't fit 12 of those in my crib, so they must have made it bigger somehow in later model SMs. I wonder where they found the extra space?

Kent
On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Sailorman kimberlite@...> wrote:

Kent,

Why don't you drop Joel Potter a note. I am sure he knows someone that can
help you.

I believe the group 31 batteries are a bit larger than the group 27. When it
came time to replace them I called Interstate batteries directly, they gave
me the name of the regional distributor. Being that I needed 13 batteries he
gave me the dealers price of about $80- each. They delivered them to the
dock in NY and picked up the old ones. I used interstate as the battery
terminals and physical size were exactly the same as the original Amel
batteries (Dolphin)?

I have 30 and 100 amp dolphin chargers on board. My 30 amp went bad and
cooked my battery bank.; I sent it to Dolphin in France they only charged me

$150- to repair it.

My inverter is mounted high on the left side of the wet locker and is 110
volts, I just use it for the few 110 volt things I have on board. In
retrospect, I should have bought a 220 volt unit. It is a sine wave 2200
watt xantrex unit.

I also have a 175 amp alternator on my main engine ( yanmar)

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

Steve, that's a great explanation of our systems. I was looking at a 2500 W
inverter because that's what my old Heart Interface charger/inverter had. I
was looking at 100A charger on advice of others who've said it reduces their
charge times. The old one was 65A. My usage is similar to yours, about 130
AH per day. My 420 AH battery bank would be pretty low if I tried to charge
only once a day, but if I had a larger bank I could probably do it. The
batteries I have are group 27 and a little larger than the group 31's, I
think.
What kind of stand-alone inverter do you have? The Magnum charger is the one
closest to the 100A / 2500W inverter that I could find. If I could find a
2500W stand alone inverter, that's what I'd do. Would I be able to use the
same wiring that I have from the old Heart Interface? I'd need a 220 input
for the charger, a 24v output from the charger (both from the old wiring), a
24V input to the inverter (which I could take from the 24V studs on the
foreword bulkhead in the engine room) and use the 220V output cables from
the old Heart. Am I missing something here? The old Heart had a 65 A
charger, so maybe larger wires to the battery bank if I got a 100A charger?
I guess if I got another 65 A charger I could run that one and the Charles
60A together for 125A during the bulk charge.

It looks like I should probably find a good electrician to help me with
this, but I hate paying someone for hours of figuring out how Amels are
wired, and I've not had much luck finding anyone in Brunswick who seems to
know anything about European wiring. Has anyone had a good experience with
an electrician from Jacksonville or Savannah?
Thanks again for all your thoughts and help.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

karkauai
 

Thanks Eric.
You're right, the group 31's are about an inch longer and 3/4" taller than the group 27's. I couldn't fit 12 of those in my crib, so they must have made it bigger somehow in later model SMs. I wonder where they found the extra space?

Kent
On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Kent,

Why don't you drop Joel Potter a note. I am sure he knows someone that can
help you.

I believe the group 31 batteries are a bit larger than the group 27. When it
came time to replace them I called Interstate batteries directly, they gave
me the name of the regional distributor. Being that I needed 13 batteries he
gave me the dealers price of about $80- each. They delivered them to the
dock in NY and picked up the old ones. I used interstate as the battery
terminals and physical size were exactly the same as the original Amel
batteries (Dolphin)?

I have 30 and 100 amp dolphin chargers on board. My 30 amp went bad and
cooked my battery bank.; I sent it to Dolphin in France they only charged me

$150- to repair it.

My inverter is mounted high on the left side of the wet locker and is 110
volts, I just use it for the few 110 volt things I have on board. In
retrospect, I should have bought a 220 volt unit. It is a sine wave 2200
watt xantrex unit.

I also have a 175 amp alternator on my main engine ( yanmar)

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

Steve, that's a great explanation of our systems. I was looking at a 2500 W
inverter because that's what my old Heart Interface charger/inverter had. I
was looking at 100A charger on advice of others who've said it reduces their
charge times. The old one was 65A. My usage is similar to yours, about 130
AH per day. My 420 AH battery bank would be pretty low if I tried to charge
only once a day, but if I had a larger bank I could probably do it. The
batteries I have are group 27 and a little larger than the group 31's, I
think.
What kind of stand-alone inverter do you have? The Magnum charger is the one
closest to the 100A / 2500W inverter that I could find. If I could find a
2500W stand alone inverter, that's what I'd do. Would I be able to use the
same wiring that I have from the old Heart Interface? I'd need a 220 input
for the charger, a 24v output from the charger (both from the old wiring), a
24V input to the inverter (which I could take from the 24V studs on the
foreword bulkhead in the engine room) and use the 220V output cables from
the old Heart. Am I missing something here? The old Heart had a 65 A
charger, so maybe larger wires to the battery bank if I got a 100A charger?
I guess if I got another 65 A charger I could run that one and the Charles
60A together for 125A during the bulk charge.

It looks like I should probably find a good electrician to help me with
this, but I hate paying someone for hours of figuring out how Amels are
wired, and I've not had much luck finding anyone in Brunswick who seems to
know anything about European wiring. Has anyone had a good experience with
an electrician from Jacksonville or Savannah?
Thanks again for all your thoughts and help.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

karkauai
 

I like the way you are thinking about this, Steve.  You have a great way of making it seem simpler again.  I'll let you know what I end up doing.
Kent


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To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

 
Hi Kent,

There's no question a 100A charger or two will reduce the charge times.  The way I see it though, is if I'm running the genset for 1.5 hours anyway to do other things, what have I gained by shortening the charge time?  For example, if I'm drawing 30A from the genset, I'll charge the batteries in half an hour, but I won't be able to run anything else.  I'd then have to continue to run it for another hour after the batteries are charged to cook dinner in the microwave, wash the dishes, and run the water heater for my shower.

When I decided to buy an Amel, a lot of it had to do with buying into the Amel philosophy.  Unlike other boat brands and models that last a few years on the market, this one had been designed on a world cruise, and then refined and improved for 15 years after that.  They'd pretty much got it figured out.  I really liked their on-board power management system.  It has a 7KW genset big enough to support all the appliances for comfortable living aboard, an enormous battery bank, and an inverter wired for times when the genset doesn't make sense.  Then they added a fuel tank big enough to support it all over a long ocean passage.  If the genset fails, there's the main engine as back-up.  Why change or complicate it?  

A well-designed battery plant starts with your consumption requirements (AH per day), and backs into the total AH capacity of the batteries and charger size that's required to achieve them; not by figuring how many amp hours can be fit into the battery box, then deciding how many chargers are required to keep them lit.  Your requirement is the same as mine... 130AH (and I think a lot of other SMs as well).  With 420AH in your batteries, that's about 31% of your capacity in a 24 hour period.  To replenish 130AH on a single daily charge, you'd have to run your 60A and 65A chargers for approximately 1.5 hours, assuming you let the batteries discharge to 50% before you start to charge them, and take them up to 81%. 

Regarding using the existing wiring for the new charger/inverter, you're probably OK re-using the 220VAC output cables from the inverter, and the 220VAC input and 24VDC output cables to the charger as long as you don't go any bigger than 65A.  If you go with a 100A charger, you'll probably need larger output cables.  However, for the 24VDC inverter input it's crucial to have the cables sized large enough to prevent voltage drop.  You can't just pick up 24V from any convenient terminal unless it's also being fed by large enough cables itself.  Where is your Heart I/F currently mounted (engine room, nav station)?  The best installation is to run a dedicated pair of cables (pos and neg) directly to the inverter input from the main battery switches using crimp connectors installed with the CORRECT crimping tool.  You should also have a correctly sized fuse (not a breaker) mounted as close to the battery end as possible on the + cable.  The fuse is
to protect the wiring, and NOT the inverter.  On a 4KW inverter, that's probably in the region of a 300A fuse.  If you've ever seen a direct short of 24V @ 300A to ground, you'll understand why it's there.

Regarding running two chargers in parallel.  It's not easy to get multiple charging devices to load share over the entire charge cycle, unless they were designed for it.  Like gensets, they run more efficiently when they are cranking out close to their capacities.  They will both pour the coals to the batteries at the start of the charge when the batteries are low, but as the current is reduced, they'll probably start to run less efficiently than a single charger.  You could maybe monitor the charge and experiment with turning one off at different points until you find the right balance.

I hear you loud and clear on your reluctance to pay an electrician to learn about Amel wiring.  I've found the best way is to figure out everything I can, then pay him to confirm what I think I now know.  That said, there's a case to be made for his expertise in safe electrical procedures and the specialized tools you won't have to buy or rent.  I think the best compromise is to know exactly what you want him to install, have all the obstacles out of his way and all the parts ready to go before he starts, then pay for him to do it safely and correctly.

Regards,
Steve

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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters


 
Steve, that's a great explanation of our systems. I was looking at a 2500 W inverter because that's what my old Heart Interface charger/inverter had. I was looking at 100A charger on advice of others who've said it reduces their charge times. The old one was 65A. My usage is similar to yours, about 130 AH per day. My 420 AH battery bank would be pretty low if I tried to charge only once a day, but if I had a larger bank I could probably do it. The batteries I have are group 27 and a little larger than the group 31's, I think.
What kind of stand-alone inverter do you have? The Magnum charger is the one closest to the 100A / 2500W inverter that I could find. If I could find a 2500W stand alone inverter, that's what I'd do. Would I be able to use the same wiring that I have from the old Heart Interface? I'd need a 220 input for the charger, a 24v output from the charger (both from the old wiring), a 24V input to the inverter (which I could take from the 24V studs on the foreword bulkhead in the engine room) and use the 220V output cables from the old Heart. Am I missing something here? The old Heart had a 65 A charger, so maybe larger wires to the battery bank if I got a 100A charger? I guess if I got another 65 A charger I could run that one and the Charles 60A together for 125A during the bulk charge.

It looks like I should probably find a good electrician to help me with this, but I hate paying someone for hours of figuring out how Amels are wired, and I've not had much luck finding anyone in Brunswick who seems to know anything about European wiring. Has anyone had a good experience with an electrician from Jacksonville or Savannah?
Thanks again for all your thoughts and help.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

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Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters

Steve Constantine <svsummerlove@...>
 

Hi Kent,

There's no question a 100A charger or two will reduce the charge times.  The way I see it though, is if I'm running the genset for 1.5 hours anyway to do other things, what have I gained by shortening the charge time?  For example, if I'm drawing 30A from the genset, I'll charge the batteries in half an hour, but I won't be able to run anything else.  I'd then have to continue to run it for another hour after the batteries are charged to cook dinner in the microwave, wash the dishes, and run the water heater for my shower.

When I decided to buy an Amel, a lot of it had to do with buying into the Amel philosophy.  Unlike other boat brands and models that last a few years on the market, this one had been designed on a world cruise, and then refined and improved for 15 years after that.  They'd pretty much got it figured out.  I really liked their on-board power management system.  It has a 7KW genset big enough to support all the appliances for comfortable living aboard, an enormous battery bank, and an inverter wired for times when the genset doesn't make sense.  Then they added a fuel tank big enough to support it all over a long ocean passage.  If the genset fails, there's the main engine as back-up.  Why change or complicate it?  

A well-designed battery plant starts with your consumption requirements (AH per day), and backs into the total AH capacity of the batteries and charger size that's required to achieve them; not by figuring how many amp hours can be fit into the battery box, then deciding how many chargers are required to keep them lit.  Your requirement is the same as mine... 130AH (and I think a lot of other SMs as well).  With 420AH in your batteries, that's about 31% of your capacity in a 24 hour period.  To replenish 130AH on a single daily charge, you'd have to run your 60A and 65A chargers for approximately 1.5 hours, assuming you let the batteries discharge to 50% before you start to charge them, and take them up to 81%. 

Regarding using the existing wiring for the new charger/inverter, you're probably OK re-using the 220VAC output cables from the inverter, and the 220VAC input and 24VDC output cables to the charger as long as you don't go any bigger than 65A.  If you go with a 100A charger, you'll probably need larger output cables.  However, for the 24VDC inverter input it's crucial to have the cables sized large enough to prevent voltage drop.  You can't just pick up 24V from any convenient terminal unless it's also being fed by large enough cables itself.  Where is your Heart I/F currently mounted (engine room, nav station)?  The best installation is to run a dedicated pair of cables (pos and neg) directly to the inverter input from the main battery switches using crimp connectors installed with the CORRECT crimping tool.  You should also have a correctly sized fuse (not a breaker) mounted as close to the battery end as possible on the + cable.  The fuse is
to protect the wiring, and NOT the inverter.  On a 4KW inverter, that's probably in the region of a 300A fuse.  If you've ever seen a direct short of 24V @ 300A to ground, you'll understand why it's there.

Regarding running two chargers in parallel.  It's not easy to get multiple charging devices to load share over the entire charge cycle, unless they were designed for it.  Like gensets, they run more efficiently when they are cranking out close to their capacities.  They will both pour the coals to the batteries at the start of the charge when the batteries are low, but as the current is reduced, they'll probably start to run less efficiently than a single charger.  You could maybe monitor the charge and experiment with turning one off at different points until you find the right balance.

I hear you loud and clear on your reluctance to pay an electrician to learn about Amel wiring.  I've found the best way is to figure out everything I can, then pay him to confirm what I think I now know.  That said, there's a case to be made for his expertise in safe electrical procedures and the specialized tools you won't have to buy or rent.  I think the best compromise is to know exactly what you want him to install, have all the obstacles out of his way and all the parts ready to go before he starts, then pay for him to do it safely and correctly.

Regards,
Steve


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From: Kent Robertson <karkauai@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery Chargers and Inverters


 
Steve, that's a great explanation of our systems. I was looking at a 2500 W inverter because that's what my old Heart Interface charger/inverter had. I was looking at 100A charger on advice of others who've said it reduces their charge times. The old one was 65A. My usage is similar to yours, about 130 AH per day. My 420 AH battery bank would be pretty low if I tried to charge only once a day, but if I had a larger bank I could probably do it. The batteries I have are group 27 and a little larger than the group 31's, I think.
What kind of stand-alone inverter do you have? The Magnum charger is the one closest to the 100A / 2500W inverter that I could find. If I could find a 2500W stand alone inverter, that's what I'd do. Would I be able to use the same wiring that I have from the old Heart Interface? I'd need a 220 input for the charger, a 24v output from the charger (both from the old wiring), a 24V input to the inverter (which I could take from the 24V studs on the foreword bulkhead in the engine room) and use the 220V output cables from the old Heart. Am I missing something here? The old Heart had a 65 A charger, so maybe larger wires to the battery bank if I got a 100A charger? I guess if I got another 65 A charger I could run that one and the Charles 60A together for 125A during the bulk charge.

It looks like I should probably find a good electrician to help me with this, but I hate paying someone for hours of figuring out how Amels are wired, and I've not had much luck finding anyone in Brunswick who seems to know anything about European wiring. Has anyone had a good experience with an electrician from Jacksonville or Savannah?
Thanks again for all your thoughts and help.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy



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