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SM Wood hatch and wood steps of ladder maintenance

ferruccilorenzo
 

I sanded with a very fine glass-paper the vertical sliding hatch and the steps of the ladder from the water, now I have to paint with a wood-paint or teak oil? I do not know if it is wood or teak ...
Thanks for your advices

Lorenzo. SM2k #420 "Red Passion" - currently in Isola d'Elba, Italy.


Re: [Amel] Re: SM deck leak

murray k. seidel <mseidel@...>
 

Grahm- the water you find collecting in the bilge when you lift the floor board opposite the forward head entrance is in all probability coming from the bow thruster. The area where the water collects does not drain aft because there are no limber holes. That is part of what keeps the forward compartment water tight and contrary to any suggestions no limber hole should be made there. This is the easiest way to know that the thruster is leaking ie., the accumulation of water in the area. The chain locker drains to the sump, not the forward bilge. I would look at replacing seals and making certain cable that lifts thruster raises it high enough to give you perfect concentric overlay of one hole ever the other before you put pin in. Also when you raise the thruster after use, do it only when you are moving SLOWLY. Murray Seidel. Sundance sm349



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kent Robertson
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 10:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: SM deck leak





Bow thruster was my first thought too. I put a plug in the hole where water goes from the thruster to the collection area forward of the bulkhead and found water forward of that. After changing the seals no further problems.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@svbebe.com <mailto:yahoogroups%40svbebe.com> > wrote:

Water will accumulate in this area when water passes up the bow thruster tube in rough seas. Did you have the bow thruster pinned and when you pinned it was it tight?

Bill
BeBe, SM2k #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Graham" <crwggb@...> wrote:

We are just back from a pretty rough crossing of the South China Sea with strong winds forward of the beam the whole way. A few years ago we had a similar trip up the west of Portugal and Biscay. On both occasions we found on arrival evidence of water ingressing the bulk head between the front cabin and the storage area opposite the front heads just below deck level. On both occasions I have removed the wood trim at the top of the bulk head and slightly pulled back the foam liner under the side deck but can find no evidence of where the water is coming in.
I cannot recreate the leak during more "normal" sailing.
Has any one else experienced a leak like this in this area? The next step I think will be to reseal the front cabin windows. Any top tips on how to remove the wood trim inside the boat to replace the window seals?

Perhaps it is a stantion base leak?

I look forward to any comments

Graham Boyd
SM 140
Hong Kong




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Re: A great Super Maramu looking for a new owner

atisailing <no_reply@...>
 

New price - 320 000 US$. http://youramel.com


Re: A great Super Maramu looking for a new owner

atisailing <no_reply@...>
 

I am re-listing Ati after a month and a half taking her off the market waiting for a buyer who didn't show up at all...
The boat is in mint condition and the price will be open for a reasonable negotiation.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, atisailing <no_reply@...> wrote:

Due to abrupt change of plans we have to find a new owner for our great boat, fast. If anyone is looking for a SM in an immaculate condition at a real bargain price, please check here: http://youramel.com (it is a private site of our boat - not a commercial classaids site).

Thanks for looking!


[Amel] Re: SM deck leak

Graham Boyd
 

Sorry Guys, it's not the bow thruster, had that one several times now and sorted by seal changes, it's not the anchor as haws pipe on the SM drains straight to the main bilge, this problem is at DECK level on stbd side on upper part of bulk head separating heads /storage area from front cabin....no where near the bilge!!

Graham
SM140
Hong Kong

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> wrote:

Bow thruster was my first thought too. I put a plug in the hole where water goes from the thruster to the collection area forward of the bulkhead and found water forward of that. After changing the seals no further problems.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:

Water will accumulate in this area when water passes up the bow thruster tube in rough seas. Did you have the bow thruster pinned and when you pinned it was it tight?

Bill
BeBe, SM2k #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <crwggb@> wrote:

We are just back from a pretty rough crossing of the South China Sea with strong winds forward of the beam the whole way. A few years ago we had a similar trip up the west of Portugal and Biscay. On both occasions we found on arrival evidence of water ingressing the bulk head between the front cabin and the storage area opposite the front heads just below deck level. On both occasions I have removed the wood trim at the top of the bulk head and slightly pulled back the foam liner under the side deck but can find no evidence of where the water is coming in.
I cannot recreate the leak during more "normal" sailing.
Has any one else experienced a leak like this in this area? The next step I think will be to reseal the front cabin windows. Any top tips on how to remove the wood trim inside the boat to replace the window seals?

Perhaps it is a stantion base leak?

I look forward to any comments

Graham Boyd
SM 140
Hong Kong



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Steve Leeds
 

Kindly View The Document I Uploaded For You Using Google Docs.

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Re: [Amel] Re: SM deck leak

karkauai
 

Bow thruster was my first thought too. I put a plug in the hole where water goes from the thruster to the collection area forward of the bulkhead and found water forward of that. After changing the seals no further problems.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe" <yahoogroups@svbebe.com> wrote:

Water will accumulate in this area when water passes up the bow thruster tube in rough seas. Did you have the bow thruster pinned and when you pinned it was it tight?

Bill
BeBe, SM2k #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <crwggb@...> wrote:

We are just back from a pretty rough crossing of the South China Sea with strong winds forward of the beam the whole way. A few years ago we had a similar trip up the west of Portugal and Biscay. On both occasions we found on arrival evidence of water ingressing the bulk head between the front cabin and the storage area opposite the front heads just below deck level. On both occasions I have removed the wood trim at the top of the bulk head and slightly pulled back the foam liner under the side deck but can find no evidence of where the water is coming in.
I cannot recreate the leak during more "normal" sailing.
Has any one else experienced a leak like this in this area? The next step I think will be to reseal the front cabin windows. Any top tips on how to remove the wood trim inside the boat to replace the window seals?

Perhaps it is a stantion base leak?

I look forward to any comments

Graham Boyd
SM 140
Hong Kong

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Re: SM deck leak

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Water will accumulate in this area when water passes up the bow thruster tube in rough seas. Did you have the bow thruster pinned and when you pinned it was it tight?

Bill
BeBe, SM2k #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Graham" <crwggb@...> wrote:

We are just back from a pretty rough crossing of the South China Sea with strong winds forward of the beam the whole way. A few years ago we had a similar trip up the west of Portugal and Biscay. On both occasions we found on arrival evidence of water ingressing the bulk head between the front cabin and the storage area opposite the front heads just below deck level. On both occasions I have removed the wood trim at the top of the bulk head and slightly pulled back the foam liner under the side deck but can find no evidence of where the water is coming in.
I cannot recreate the leak during more "normal" sailing.
Has any one else experienced a leak like this in this area? The next step I think will be to reseal the front cabin windows. Any top tips on how to remove the wood trim inside the boat to replace the window seals?

Perhaps it is a stantion base leak?

I look forward to any comments

Graham Boyd
SM 140
Hong Kong


SM deck leak

Graham Boyd
 

We are just back from a pretty rough crossing of the South China Sea with strong winds forward of the beam the whole way. A few years ago we had a similar trip up the west of Portugal and Biscay. On both occasions we found on arrival evidence of water ingressing the bulk head between the front cabin and the storage area opposite the front heads just below deck level. On both occasions I have removed the wood trim at the top of the bulk head and slightly pulled back the foam liner under the side deck but can find no evidence of where the water is coming in.
I cannot recreate the leak during more "normal" sailing.
Has any one else experienced a leak like this in this area? The next step I think will be to reseal the front cabin windows. Any top tips on how to remove the wood trim inside the boat to replace the window seals?

Perhaps it is a stantion base leak?

I look forward to any comments

Graham Boyd
SM 140
Hong Kong


[Amel] Re: Nanni

Graham Boyd
 

From my research Beta and Nanni do very similar things....take a Kubota engine, and marinise it. Nanni (French) may well be not very well known in the US however from what I can see on the web Beta (UK) has a very extensive dealership US wide with a strong following.

Has any one actually fitted either of these engines, Beta or Nanni (non hybrid) to a super Maramu? if so which size was fitted. I am particularly attracted to the simplicity off no turbocharger in the remoter parts of the world....ie Asia....plenty of cheap Kubota spare parts here ...

Graham Boyd
SM140 Sula
Hong Kong

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

Beta engines are terrific.

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
ppsforbes@...

On 18 Apr 2013, at 12:56, "spritoaffine" <captaingrey@...> wrote:

We recently had a Beta 43 fitted to our Sharki and apparently Beta offer a similar system which is also based on a Kubota engine. The Beta system can also be retro fitted which may be interesting
David Worthington
SY Spirito Affine

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Pitugolf Yahoo <pitugolf@> wrote:

Thank you so much Richard, yes you're completely right is not only the price of the motor but installation, service after sell, propeller and transition. We will look all this with the expert here in St. Raphael.

Thank you so much for all the advices.

By the way an update about my autopilot... We have to change it! 2 Raymarine...! No more steering ;)

Regards,

Maria
S.Y. PITU



Le 17 avr. 2013 à 13:13, Richard03801 <richard03801@> a écrit :

Hi when you are looking to repower there are a number of issues to address:
- costs not simply to cost of the motor buy to cost of the installation and operation.
- available parts and service.
- noise some 4 cylinder diesels are prone to vibrate and hammer hard.
- of course resale value of the boat.

As you most likely know there are lots of choices. Given only you know your plans for the boat down the road think about the above. There is lots of support on this site for the Yanmar install, there is also Kaboda, Volvo, Styer, and others all with a good sales pitch. In addition think about which transmission to spec with the engine. In most cases if the engine is worn out so is the transmission. Do you need a free Wheeling unit to run an alternator? Are the options for a higher quality unit with ground gears, that will run quite, what is the best reduction for your boat given the weight and use as well as engine power curve.
New engine may also mean a different pitch prop.
Lots to think about. If you like to chat give me a call.
All the best.
SM 209 in Newport RI

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Apr 16, 2013, at 13:32, "Maria Geiger" <pitugolf@> wrote:

Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does any one has a Nanni?
What would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf




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Re: [Amel] Re: Nanni

Peter Forbes
 

Beta engines are terrific.

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
ppsforbes@gmail.com

On 18 Apr 2013, at 12:56, "spritoaffine" <captaingrey@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

We recently had a Beta 43 fitted to our Sharki and apparently Beta offer a similar system which is also based on a Kubota engine. The Beta system can also be retro fitted which may be interesting
David Worthington
SY Spirito Affine

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Pitugolf Yahoo <pitugolf@...> wrote:

Thank you so much Richard, yes you're completely right is not only the price of the motor but installation, service after sell, propeller and transition. We will look all this with the expert here in St. Raphael.

Thank you so much for all the advices.

By the way an update about my autopilot... We have to change it! 2 Raymarine...! No more steering ;)

Regards,

Maria
S.Y. PITU



Le 17 avr. 2013 à 13:13, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> a écrit :

Hi when you are looking to repower there are a number of issues to address:
- costs not simply to cost of the motor buy to cost of the installation and operation.
- available parts and service.
- noise some 4 cylinder diesels are prone to vibrate and hammer hard.
- of course resale value of the boat.

As you most likely know there are lots of choices. Given only you know your plans for the boat down the road think about the above. There is lots of support on this site for the Yanmar install, there is also Kaboda, Volvo, Styer, and others all with a good sales pitch. In addition think about which transmission to spec with the engine. In most cases if the engine is worn out so is the transmission. Do you need a free Wheeling unit to run an alternator? Are the options for a higher quality unit with ground gears, that will run quite, what is the best reduction for your boat given the weight and use as well as engine power curve.
New engine may also mean a different pitch prop.
Lots to think about. If you like to chat give me a call.
All the best.
SM 209 in Newport RI

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Apr 16, 2013, at 13:32, "Maria Geiger" <pitugolf@...> wrote:

Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does any one has a Nanni?
What would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Nanni

spritoaffine
 

We recently had a Beta 43 fitted to our Sharki and apparently Beta offer a similar system which is also based on a Kubota engine. The Beta system can also be retro fitted which may be interesting
David Worthington
SY Spirito Affine

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Pitugolf Yahoo <pitugolf@...> wrote:

Thank you so much Richard, yes you're completely right is not only the price of the motor but installation, service after sell, propeller and transition. We will look all this with the expert here in St. Raphael.

Thank you so much for all the advices.

By the way an update about my autopilot... We have to change it! 2 Raymarine...! No more steering ;)

Regards,

Maria
S.Y. PITU



Le 17 avr. 2013 à 13:13, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> a écrit :

Hi when you are looking to repower there are a number of issues to address:
- costs not simply to cost of the motor buy to cost of the installation and operation.
- available parts and service.
- noise some 4 cylinder diesels are prone to vibrate and hammer hard.
- of course resale value of the boat.

As you most likely know there are lots of choices. Given only you know your plans for the boat down the road think about the above. There is lots of support on this site for the Yanmar install, there is also Kaboda, Volvo, Styer, and others all with a good sales pitch. In addition think about which transmission to spec with the engine. In most cases if the engine is worn out so is the transmission. Do you need a free Wheeling unit to run an alternator? Are the options for a higher quality unit with ground gears, that will run quite, what is the best reduction for your boat given the weight and use as well as engine power curve.
New engine may also mean a different pitch prop.
Lots to think about. If you like to chat give me a call.
All the best.
SM 209 in Newport RI

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Apr 16, 2013, at 13:32, "Maria Geiger" <pitugolf@...> wrote:

Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does any one has a Nanni?
What would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf

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Re: [Amel] Nanni

Attilio Siviero YAHOO <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Gentlemen,
I think the forum is interested in this conversation, in view to replace the engine

Attilio & Maria Siviero
Amel Santorin#84 "Sisila"


Il giorno 18/apr/2013, alle ore 12:59, hanspeter.baettig@bluemail.ch ha scritto:

Dear Craig
can you send me your email adress, so we can communicate and not disturbing this forum.
Regards
Hanspeter

----Ursprngliche Nachricht----
Von: sangaris@aol.com
Datum: 17.04.2013 23:13
An: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Betreff: [Amel] Re: Nanni

Hi Hanspeter,

I agree redundancy and backup is good. If you read Nanni's literature,
per the link, you'll see their Intecalated Hybrid concept gives good backup as the in-line generator can also be driven
by the propellor with the engine off - much like the Santorin shaft generator.

So for battery charging you'd have 1.
the conventional engine battery alternator, 2. DC output from the 2.4kv Intercalated generator being driven by the
engine (it puts out both AC and DC), 3. same as 2 but driven by propellor while sailing and, in your case, 4. your
solar panels.

And you can maneuvre under batteries alone! How cool is that! I rather think we'll see the industry
continuing to go in this direction - Amel may be lagging a bit. Backup needn't be old technology, except for guys like
me who hug their engines and keep 'em running forever.

Will keep a lookout for you this season in Turkey as we may
head north from Didim past Kusadasi.

Cheers,
Craig

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "hanspeter.baettig@..."
<hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Dear Craig
You are absolutly right, the Nanni product line is proofed as a quality
product and a well known name in the
marin industry; less in the US then in Europe.
But in my long time experiance
with Amel, the aim of Amel was and is
always to have a backup system. If the main engine fails, you don't have again
220 V and no auxiliary system for
charging the batteries.
For example, I have on my SM #16 3 ways to charge my
batteries ( and this is in my opinion the
first goal of a concret energy system); Alternator 24 V 95 A on the main
engine, Genset via charger 220V - 24 V and on
the genset a 75 alternator 24 V. Additional I have installed 4 flat
solar panals on the deck with 300 Wp at 24 Volt.
That gives me an average of 2 to 3 amps at 24 Volt. Not for
charging the batteries, but to slow down gen set hours if
we have sun. Of course there is still the shore power if
laying in a marina.

Fair wind
Hanspeter
SM #16 Tamango2

Krusadasi, Turkey

----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht----
Von: sangaris@...
Datum: 17.04.2013 16:01
An:
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Betreff:
[Amel] Re: Nanni






On the other hand......
take a look at Nanni's
Intercalated Line, with a 4.5
Kw variable speed generator inserted in the drive line of the Kubota engine. Here's a
link to a brochure showing it
in an Amel.
http://www.nannidiesel.com/images/stories/Documentation/leaflets/gensets/NanniDieselCIC-en.pdf

Nanni is (now)
a
French company - interesting that they feature their product in an Amel - I wonder if they may be talking to Amel
-
heard anything, Joel? I've often wondered why Amel hasn't moved into the hybrid eco-trend - maybe they are now.


We've got a 4.5Kw(6Kw@110v) Northern Lights Genset with a Kubota engine and both that and our Perkins have
about 7500
hours on them. The Kubota has been absolutely bullet proof. I would definitely put the Nanni Hybrid
system on my list
to carefully evaluate when I get to the point of repowering, replacing both genset and propulsion
engine with one unit.
Of course with Kubota's reliability that's a long way off :-)

You can check out the whole
Nanni product line at this
link: http://www.nannidiesel.com/images/stories/Documentation/leaflets/gensets/NanniDieselCIC-en.pdf.

Craig
Briggs,

sv SANGARIS, Santorin #68, Didim Turkey


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Geiger"
<pitugolf@> wrote:


Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does
any one has a Nanni?
What
would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: [Amel] Re: Nanni

hanspeter baettig
 

Dear Craig
can you send me your email adress, so we can communicate and not disturbing this forum.
Regards
Hanspeter


----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
Von: sangaris@aol.com
Datum: 17.04.2013 23:13
An: <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Betreff: [Amel] Re: Nanni






Hi Hanspeter,

I agree redundancy and backup is good. If you read Nanni's literature,
per the link, you'll see their Intecalated Hybrid concept gives good backup as the in-line generator can also be driven
by the propellor with the engine off - much like the Santorin shaft generator.

So for battery charging you'd have 1.
the conventional engine battery alternator, 2. DC output from the 2.4kv Intercalated generator being driven by the
engine (it puts out both AC and DC), 3. same as 2 but driven by propellor while sailing and, in your case, 4. your
solar panels.

And you can maneuvre under batteries alone! How cool is that! I rather think we'll see the industry
continuing to go in this direction - Amel may be lagging a bit. Backup needn't be old technology, except for guys like
me who hug their engines and keep 'em running forever.

Will keep a lookout for you this season in Turkey as we may
head north from Didim past Kusadasi.

Cheers,
Craig



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "hanspeter.baettig@..."
<hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Dear Craig
You are absolutly right, the Nanni product line is proofed as a quality
product and a well known name in the
marin industry; less in the US then in Europe.
But in my long time experiance
with Amel, the aim of Amel was and is
always to have a backup system. If the main engine fails, you don't have again
220 V and no auxiliary system for
charging the batteries.
For example, I have on my SM #16 3 ways to charge my
batteries ( and this is in my opinion the
first goal of a concret energy system); Alternator 24 V 95 A on the main
engine, Genset via charger 220V - 24 V and on
the genset a 75 alternator 24 V. Additional I have installed 4 flat
solar panals on the deck with 300 Wp at 24 Volt.
That gives me an average of 2 to 3 amps at 24 Volt. Not for
charging the batteries, but to slow down gen set hours if
we have sun. Of course there is still the shore power if
laying in a marina.

Fair wind
Hanspeter
SM #16 Tamango2

Krusadasi, Turkey

----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht----
Von: sangaris@...
Datum: 17.04.2013 16:01
An:
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Betreff:
[Amel] Re: Nanni






On the other hand......
take a look at Nanni's
Intercalated Line, with a 4.5
Kw variable speed generator inserted in the drive line of the Kubota engine. Here's a
link to a brochure showing it
in an Amel.
http://www.nannidiesel.com/images/stories/Documentation/leaflets/gensets/NanniDieselCIC-en.pdf

Nanni is (now)
a
French company - interesting that they feature their product in an Amel - I wonder if they may be talking to Amel
-
heard anything, Joel? I've often wondered why Amel hasn't moved into the hybrid eco-trend - maybe they are now.


We've got a 4.5Kw(6Kw@110v) Northern Lights Genset with a Kubota engine and both that and our Perkins have
about 7500
hours on them. The Kubota has been absolutely bullet proof. I would definitely put the Nanni Hybrid
system on my list
to carefully evaluate when I get to the point of repowering, replacing both genset and propulsion
engine with one unit.
Of course with Kubota's reliability that's a long way off :-)

You can check out the whole
Nanni product line at this
link: http://www.nannidiesel.com/images/stories/Documentation/leaflets/gensets/NanniDieselCIC-en.pdf.

Craig
Briggs,

sv SANGARIS, Santorin #68, Didim Turkey


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Geiger"
<pitugolf@> wrote:


Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does
any one has a Nanni?
What
would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf


[Amel] Re: Nanni

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Hanspeter,

I agree redundancy and backup is good. If you read Nanni's literature, per the link, you'll see their Intecalated Hybrid concept gives good backup as the in-line generator can also be driven by the propellor with the engine off - much like the Santorin shaft generator.

So for battery charging you'd have 1. the conventional engine battery alternator, 2. DC output from the 2.4kv Intercalated generator being driven by the engine (it puts out both AC and DC), 3. same as 2 but driven by propellor while sailing and, in your case, 4. your solar panels.

And you can maneuvre under batteries alone! How cool is that! I rather think we'll see the industry continuing to go in this direction - Amel may be lagging a bit. Backup needn't be old technology, except for guys like me who hug their engines and keep 'em running forever.

Will keep a lookout for you this season in Turkey as we may head north from Didim past Kusadasi.

Cheers,
Craig

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "hanspeter.baettig@..." <hanspeter.baettig@...> wrote:

Dear Craig
You are absolutly right, the Nanni product line is proofed as a quality product and a well known name in the
marin industry; less in the US then in Europe.
But in my long time experiance with Amel, the aim of Amel was and is
always to have a backup system. If the main engine fails, you don't have again 220 V and no auxiliary system for
charging the batteries.
For example, I have on my SM #16 3 ways to charge my batteries ( and this is in my opinion the
first goal of a concret energy system); Alternator 24 V 95 A on the main engine, Genset via charger 220V - 24 V and on
the genset a 75 alternator 24 V. Additional I have installed 4 flat solar panals on the deck with 300 Wp at 24 Volt.
That gives me an average of 2 to 3 amps at 24 Volt. Not for charging the batteries, but to slow down gen set hours if
we have sun. Of course there is still the shore power if laying in a marina.

Fair wind
Hanspeter
SM #16 Tamango2

Krusadasi, Turkey

----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----
Von: sangaris@...
Datum: 17.04.2013 16:01
An:
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Betreff: [Amel] Re: Nanni






On the other hand......
take a look at Nanni's
Intercalated Line, with a 4.5Kw variable speed generator inserted in the drive line of the Kubota engine. Here's a
link to a brochure showing it in an Amel.
http://www.nannidiesel.com/images/stories/Documentation/leaflets/gensets/NanniDieselCIC-en.pdf

Nanni is (now) a
French company - interesting that they feature their product in an Amel - I wonder if they may be talking to Amel -
heard anything, Joel? I've often wondered why Amel hasn't moved into the hybrid eco-trend - maybe they are now.


We've got a 4.5Kw(6Kw@110v) Northern Lights Genset with a Kubota engine and both that and our Perkins have about 7500
hours on them. The Kubota has been absolutely bullet proof. I would definitely put the Nanni Hybrid system on my list
to carefully evaluate when I get to the point of repowering, replacing both genset and propulsion engine with one unit.
Of course with Kubota's reliability that's a long way off :-)

You can check out the whole Nanni product line at this
link: http://www.nannidiesel.com/images/stories/Documentation/leaflets/gensets/NanniDieselCIC-en.pdf.

Craig Briggs,

sv SANGARIS, Santorin #68, Didim Turkey


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Geiger" <pitugolf@> wrote:


Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does any one has a Nanni?
What
would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf


Re: [Amel] Re: Nanni

hanspeter baettig
 

Dear Craig
You are absolutly right, the Nanni product line is proofed as a quality product and a well known name in the
marin industry; less in the US then in Europe.
But in my long time experiance with Amel, the aim of Amel was and is
always to have a backup system. If the main engine fails, you don't have again 220 V and no auxiliary system for
charging the batteries.
For example, I have on my SM #16 3 ways to charge my batteries ( and this is in my opinion the
first goal of a concret energy system); Alternator 24 V 95 A on the main engine, Genset via charger 220V - 24 V and on
the genset a 75 alternator 24 V. Additional I have installed 4 flat solar panals on the deck with 300 Wp at 24 Volt.
That gives me an average of 2 to 3 amps at 24 Volt. Not for charging the batteries, but to slow down gen set hours if
we have sun. Of course there is still the shore power if laying in a marina.

Fair wind
Hanspeter
SM #16 Tamango2

Krusadasi, Turkey

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Betreff: [Amel] Re: Nanni






On the other hand......
take a look at Nanni's
Intercalated Line, with a 4.5Kw variable speed generator inserted in the drive line of the Kubota engine. Here's a
link to a brochure showing it in an Amel.
http://www.nannidiesel.com/images/stories/Documentation/leaflets/gensets/NanniDieselCIC-en.pdf

Nanni is (now) a
French company - interesting that they feature their product in an Amel - I wonder if they may be talking to Amel -
heard anything, Joel? I've often wondered why Amel hasn't moved into the hybrid eco-trend - maybe they are now.


We've got a 4.5Kw(6Kw@110v) Northern Lights Genset with a Kubota engine and both that and our Perkins have about 7500
hours on them. The Kubota has been absolutely bullet proof. I would definitely put the Nanni Hybrid system on my list
to carefully evaluate when I get to the point of repowering, replacing both genset and propulsion engine with one unit.
Of course with Kubota's reliability that's a long way off :-)

You can check out the whole Nanni product line at this
link: http://www.nannidiesel.com/images/stories/Documentation/leaflets/gensets/NanniDieselCIC-en.pdf.

Craig Briggs,

sv SANGARIS, Santorin #68, Didim Turkey


--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Geiger" <pitugolf@...> wrote:


Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does any one has a Nanni?
What
would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf


Re: Nanni

Craig Briggs
 

On the other hand......
take a look at Nanni's Intercalated Line, with a 4.5Kw variable speed generator inserted in the drive line of the Kubota engine. Here's a link to a brochure showing it in an Amel.
http://www.nannidiesel.com/images/stories/Documentation/leaflets/gensets/NanniDieselCIC-en.pdf

Nanni is (now) a French company - interesting that they feature their product in an Amel - I wonder if they may be talking to Amel - heard anything, Joel? I've often wondered why Amel hasn't moved into the hybrid eco-trend - maybe they are now.

We've got a 4.5Kw(6Kw@110v) Northern Lights Genset with a Kubota engine and both that and our Perkins have about 7500 hours on them. The Kubota has been absolutely bullet proof. I would definitely put the Nanni Hybrid system on my list to carefully evaluate when I get to the point of repowering, replacing both genset and propulsion engine with one unit. Of course with Kubota's reliability that's a long way off :-)

You can check out the whole Nanni product line at this link: http://www.nannidiesel.com/images/stories/Documentation/leaflets/gensets/NanniDieselCIC-en.pdf.

Craig Briggs,
sv SANGARIS, Santorin #68, Didim Turkey

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Geiger" <pitugolf@...> wrote:

Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does any one has a Nanni?
What would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf


Re: [Amel] Nanni

Maria Geiger
 

Thank you so much Richard, yes you're completely right is not only the price of the motor but installation, service after sell, propeller and transition. We will look all this with the expert here in St. Raphael.

Thank you so much for all the advices.

By the way an update about my autopilot... We have to change it! 2 Raymarine...! No more steering ;)

Regards,

Maria
S.Y. PITU

Le 17 avr. 2013 à 13:13, Richard03801 <richard03801@yahoo.com> a écrit :

Hi when you are looking to repower there are a number of issues to address:
- costs not simply to cost of the motor buy to cost of the installation and operation.
- available parts and service.
- noise some 4 cylinder diesels are prone to vibrate and hammer hard.
- of course resale value of the boat.

As you most likely know there are lots of choices. Given only you know your plans for the boat down the road think about the above. There is lots of support on this site for the Yanmar install, there is also Kaboda, Volvo, Styer, and others all with a good sales pitch. In addition think about which transmission to spec with the engine. In most cases if the engine is worn out so is the transmission. Do you need a free Wheeling unit to run an alternator? Are the options for a higher quality unit with ground gears, that will run quite, what is the best reduction for your boat given the weight and use as well as engine power curve.
New engine may also mean a different pitch prop.
Lots to think about. If you like to chat give me a call.
All the best.
SM 209 in Newport RI

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Apr 16, 2013, at 13:32, "Maria Geiger" <pitugolf@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does any one has a Nanni?
What would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf

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Re: [Amel] Nanni

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi when you are looking to repower there are a number of issues to address:
- costs not simply to cost of the motor buy to cost of the installation and operation.
- available parts and service.
- noise some 4 cylinder diesels are prone to vibrate and hammer hard.
- of course resale value of the boat.

As you most likely know there are lots of choices. Given only you know your plans for the boat down the road think about the above. There is lots of support on this site for the Yanmar install, there is also Kaboda, Volvo, Styer, and others all with a good sales pitch. In addition think about which transmission to spec with the engine. In most cases if the engine is worn out so is the transmission. Do you need a free Wheeling unit to run an alternator? Are the options for a higher quality unit with ground gears, that will run quite, what is the best reduction for your boat given the weight and use as well as engine power curve.
New engine may also mean a different pitch prop.
Lots to think about. If you like to chat give me a call.
All the best.
SM 209 in Newport RI

Regards

Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On Apr 16, 2013, at 13:32, "Maria Geiger" <pitugolf@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does any one has a Nanni?
What would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf



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Re: [Amel] Nanni & repowering

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

We have visited 50 countries so far in our circumnavigation. Parts are available for Yanmar everywhere, Volvo in many places, but not all.

If we were making a repower decision, there would be only one choice, Yanmar.

Bill
BeBe, Sm2k, #387

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Joel F Potter" <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

As one who has sold more used Amel boats than anyone else, I always tell
clients to make resale a partial consideration whenever a major upgrade is
contemplated. While Nanni Diesel has made a good name for themselves, their
reputation, world wide, is not nearly as good as Yanmar. From what I am told
by those who have Nanni Diesels', parts and service availability does not
compare favorably to Yanmar. In Europe, Volvo also enjoys a good reputation
but this has been all but destroyed in North America with poor service
provided after the sale, and incredibly expensive replacement and service
parts prices.



If I offered two identical boats in similar condition to clients looking for
a used Amel and they were similarly priced, the Yanmar would sell first and
for more money. Nothing wrong with Nanni except Yanmar seems to be better
and has higher brand acceptance.



All the best,

Joel F. Potter





Joel F. Potter - Cruising Yacht Specialist, LLC

Amel's Sole Associate for the Americas

Mailing Address: 401 East Las Olas Boulevard #130-126

Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

Phone: (954) 462-5869 Cell: (954) 812-2485

Email: jfpottercys@...

www.yachtworld.com/jfpottercys



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Hello everybody,

We are thinking to buy a new motor for our Super Maramu does any one has a
Nanni?
What would be your experience?

Than you ,

Maria
Pitugolf