Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] "Heaving To"


Ed from Doodlebug
Thanks for the information. I have never tried heaving-to with just the
mizzen sheeted in hard. It sounds like a very simple and safe maneuver and one that
I will try.
The super maramu will heave to in the conventional manner with a very easy
and comfortable motion with the jib reefed to about 40% and the mizzen sheeted
I have tried it 30 kts plus south of the Canaries on my way to the Cap Verde
Islands. We spent a fairly comfortable 24 hours in this manner with no
significant rolling.
The only problem is that you do have to get out of the safety of the cockpit
to rig a jib sheet to run inside of the windward shroud. Otherwise, it will
chafe on it, or worse, cause damage to it.
I enclose a photo that illustrates the problem. Running a sheet "inboard" was
not difficult but does require some thought especially in bad weather
I hope this makes sense to you. Let me know what you think.

Regards to all


build photos

eric freedman

I am interested in pictures of the super maramu under construction.
does anyone have photos?
s/m 376 kimberlite

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] "Heaving To"

Steve Leeds

Dear Edmund,
We own a 1985 Sharki (#121) and have hove-to a number of times in heavy weather. We have always used a reefed main and reefed mizzen with the sails trimmed to the centerline of the boat. The boat will hold the "correct" position of about 55 degrees in heavier winds but will tend to fall off (and roll a bit)when the winds go down to 25 or 30 knots. With 35 to 45 knots the boat holds the position well and is fairly comfortable (compared to sailing under the same conditions). On one occasion we spent three days hove-to like this in the Mozambique Channel with 20 foot seas and winds up to 45 knots. While not "comfortable" we were able to cook and sleep with no problem. Strangely, because of the strong current (the cause of the big waves), we were set about 75 miles against the wind up the rhumline while hove-to!

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"Heaving To"


S/V DoodleBug (SM331) has just completed a 12,000 mile run from
Kemah, Texas to New Zealand. During the passage we "heaved
to" maybe 4 or 5 times, in winds of up to 25 knots – usually
we arrived too early for a reef pass entrance. I had read in the
sailing literature that a ketch will generally "heave to" on
just a
hard sheeted mizzen and an e-mail exchange with another Amel owner
had confirmed this to be true for the Super Maramu. My experience is
that with just the mizzen, the boat will oscillate between 30 degrees
and 60 degrees to the wind – i.e. the "correct" heave to
angle. The
problem is that it then rolls badly in a moderate sea and contrary to
many authors glowing comments about how comfortable the heaved to
position is and how they will cook dinner etc., I have found that the
boat motion is extremely uncomfortable and sailing slowly in any
direction is to be preferred. It was suggested to me that the problem
is that the mizzen is too small to adequately damp the rolling and
that the traditional heave to method of a backed jib plus reefed
mainsail would leave the boat slightly heeled with little or no roll.
Do any other Amel owners have any comments or experience with this?
Has anyone heaved to in order to wait out severe weather on passage?

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Mango For Sale

Alejandro Paquin

Please send me details.
Thank you.

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Fully loaded Amel Mango for sale.The boat is in turnkey condition,with
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maintenence schedule and PHRF rating


As promised, I have posted the maintenence schudule from Chantier
Amel in pdf format. I hope you find it helpful.
I will also post a recent PHRF rating that I obtained in Southern
California, as there was a request fot this a short while ago.

Best wishes to all of you out there

Michael Last

SM 369

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Buyer-Super Maramu 2000

gwollenberg <gary@...>

I am looking at purchasing the Amel Super Maramu 2000. I would like
to get some feed back from present owners. I am open to any
comments, suggestions, advice and/or opinons that you may have. It
would be very helpful if you could also add information as to the
Amel that you own, how you use the boat, lenght of ownership time
and why you purchased an Amel.

We will retire in 2008. So we plan on acquiring a boat sometime in
2006, moor it and get some experience using the boat and then in
2008 move onto the boat and start sailing to wherever. Probably
start with the Carribean for a couple of years.

Look forward to hearing from some of you.

Thank you,

Gary and Joanne

Re: maintenence schedule


Thank you for the offer. look forward to receiving it.


Sails on SM


Hi to all SM2000 owners later then spring 2003

I have a problem with my sails. On 4 places , I had to repair the
joints allready. My SM#407 SAMANTHA is only 17 month old an has done
9000 mails in 11 month. As I heard, Amel has changed supplier of
sails early 2003, now using DEME. On my mail to Amel in this respect
I have not got an answer yet. Is anyone else having such experience
too. Is this normal that joints getting wrotten so quick ?
Thanks for yout input.


Ps. my homepage on the this year-trip( in german language ) is on

maintenence schedule


I have schedule from the factory and it is very useful and quite
comprehensive. I'll try to scan it and post it here over the next few
days. (if I can figure out how to do it!)

Regards to all.


RE : [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance Schedule

Patrick Naegels <naegels@...>

Hi Rob,

I'm interrested in too

Patrick (SM2000#329)

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Envoyé : lundi 8 novembre 2004 9:37
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Objet : [Amel Yacht Owners] Maintenance Schedule

Is there a Maintenance Schedule in the latest documentation when a new
SM is delivered?
If not, would one be useful to assist us in the exercise of looking
after our Amels?

If there is someone with a SM who i interested in creating a Maintenance
Schedule, with
me, please contact me. We could then create it, put it out for
discussion and then have it
available for all in the future.

What do you think? Perhaps someone has already done it and could make
it available!

Rob Kyle

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Maintenance Schedule


Is there a Maintenance Schedule in the latest documentation when a new SM is delivered?
If not, would one be useful to assist us in the exercise of looking after our Amels?

If there is someone with a SM who i interested in creating a Maintenance Schedule, with
me, please contact me. We could then create it, put it out for discussion and then have it
available for all in the future.

What do you think? Perhaps someone has already done it and could make it available!

Rob Kyle

Santorin 54

Insurance and repair experiences

John and Anne on Bali Hai <hollamby@...>

Reading the reports of hurricane damage reminds me of my experiences
in 1991/2 following Hurricane Bob which severely damaged my Oyster
435 in Newport,R.I.I was advised to be on a mooring not at anchor
but did not realise that I would need a long line to the buoy. There
was a 12 foot tidal surge driven by the wind and on top of that
waves which lifted the bow of the boat along with the 800lb mushroom
mooring so the boat ended up crashing on a pontoon.
My insurers in the UK appointed a Boston loss adjuster who appointed
a local surveyor to prepare a specification and get estimates from
various boatyards in New England. He gave me the opportunity of
commenting on the spec and I had another local surveyor check it out
which he did very poorly.
The estimates came in to the surveyor and varied between US$55,000
to $213,000 to "we will not quote unless you pay us for our
time". The surveyor took the two lowest estimates and took the
higher price for each item and offered me that total in full and
final settlement.
I should perhaps have mentioned that two or three hundred boats had
suffered damage up and down the coast and so surveyors were earning
a lot from insurers. I said that I was not happy and insurers told
me to get a surveyor to argue my case with their man. I was not able
to get anyone to do this.
I was not happy with the U.S. system as I was not familiar with it
and insurers agreed that I could ship the wreck back to the UK at my
expense and get it repaired there. I did this which had one great
advantage in that VAT had not been paid on it originally and so VAT
was paid on the wrecked value and insurers had to pay VAT on the
A highly regarded Cowes surveyor produced a new spec. and got prices
from three good yards at £75,000 up to £78,000 which seemed to
indicate that the new spec. was better than the American one We had
a meeting in the brokers office when my surveyor told me that
certain items would not be acceptable to insurers and he deleted
them before announcing that he could not negotiate on my behalf with
insurers as they were his more important clients.This shook me and
made me realise why I had had problems getting professional help.
Thus the works proceeded without supervision and other items were
uncovered in the process, notably I had to pay for a new engine as I
had allowed insurers to make me sign "in full and final settlement"
before they would OK the settlement.
The whole miserable process took many many months and whilst at that
time I blamed insurers the fact of the matter is that I came to
believe that many yacht surveyors are whores in bed with insurers.
I sincerely hope that the unlucky owners who suffered from Ivan fare
much better than I did.
Incidentally I doubt whether anywhere in the Caribbean is safe from
the occasional hurricane.They say they never go as far south as
Trinidad but when we were in "safe" Curacao the authorities taped up
all the glass in their office windows and in the event the storm
passed over Caracas and mudslides killed hundreds in the slums built
in the valleys.

Best wishes for now, Anne and John, Bali Hai SM319

a few things I've learned

john martin <symoondog@...>

Dear Amel Owners Group,

I thought Id write about a few things Ive learned after 2 years as a proud SM owner.

I have installed burglar bars in all my deck hatches. I used 3/8 stainless rods (aluminum would work also) and had them welded to small rectangular mounting plates on each end. I installed two on the inside rim of each deck hatch, except for the forward head hatch which only needed one. I had mine powder-coat painted white and they really look nice. (Powder coating, often used for outdoor furniture and antique car restoration, is a very durable, hard and attractive paint finish.) If you are worried about evacuation during a fire, make sure there is the appropriate screwdriver in each cabin. If you are worried about the burglars unscrewing them to get in, you can get screws with special screw-heads requiring a special tool to undo.

I also made a burglar proof companionway screen out of flat 3/8 thick 1 wide aluminum stock. It slides into the same slot that the heavy wooden vertical hatch door uses. It has to be in two sections or it is too tall to slide vertically up and out of the slot (itll hit the hard dodger). I added vertical cross bars about 8 apart to make it person proof. Mine needed a wooden trim piece at the bottom to level it all up. With the burglar screen in place in the vertical hatch opening, slide the top horizontal hatch shut. Install a barrel bolt or other type of lock on the forward end inside the hatch top. Now you are securely safe in your boat and yet air can flow through the companionway. You can glue insect screen to the burglar bar units, or you can get fancy and can have a machine shop cut a groove around the perimeter or it and have a storm window shop install a screen in the slot.

Many yachts in the Caribbean have their dinghies and/or outboard motors stolen. It is no wonder as everyone is so proud of their equipment and keeps them in such pristine condition. The thieves just ride through the anchorage during the day picking out the best looking gear, and come back at night to steal them. I have always personalized my dinghy and outboard so that no one in their right mind would want them. As soon as I get a new engine, I remove the brand name sticker with a heat gun. I then sand down the engine cowl, prime and paint it a custom color and put some personalized decals on it. Now the thieves dont know the brand name or HP of the engine. I also paint a dinghy name and some artwork on my dinghies. I dont think my dinghy or outboard will ever be stolen !

For those who have the deck shower in the cockpit locker (where it gets tangled up in everything else in that locker): I bought a piece of large PVC pipe, about 6 diameter and about 18 tall. I placed it in the corner over the hose valve. The hose can then be curled up in the pipe. I then bought a 25 self-curling hose and did away with the straight hose. It makes a real nice arrangement. You do have to change the fitting in the cutoff valve as it is and you need one that goes from to pipe to fit the hose.

The following good idea came from Ralph and Ann on Harmonie. If your chain wash-down system doesnt quite do the job in real muddy areas, replace the hose in the port bow locker with an 8 piece of garden hose with a straight brass spray nozzle. You can really clean the chain with this rig ! Remember that the chain wash down pump doesnt have a pressure release on it, so keep the nozzle open when you turn on the pump or it will pop the circuit breaker in the engine room.

I used Peter Grimm, Super Sails in Fort Lauderdale, 954-522-4663, recommended by Joel Potter, to build a 110% genoa for the Caribbean. It was the perfect sail for the tradewinds and Christmas winds down there. I really loved it. Full genny, full mizzen, no main, 25 kts on the beam, and no problem !

Changing oil in the Volvo engine is easier if you buy a cheap throwaway aluminum turkey pan. Lay a couple sheets of the oil-dry cloths in the bottom of the pan, and place the pan under the filter before changing the oil. I keep the pan under the engine all the time with a clean white oil-dry cloth in it, this makes it very easy to spot water or oil leaks.

For the chronic smoke streak from the engine exhaust, I found a product called Roll Off at the Annapolis Boat Show. Im impressed, it is the best Ive found to remove the smudge. HDB Marine Distributor, 7026 Boston Ave, North Beach, MD 20714. 301-855-3851. They had very small spray bottles you could buy to try it out. This shows their confidence in their product.

If Im in a marina for any length of time, I cut off my salt-water intake, clean the sea chest, and leave it off, as marina water is usually filthy. I use my shower nozzle to provide fresh water to flush the toilets. You can also put a fresh water hose into the sea chest and start your engine and generator to flush them both out with clean fresh water.

I bought thick rubber doormats and cut them to fit the bottoms of all my deck lockers, especially the life raft locker. This keeps the gear off the locker bottom in case of any leak or condensation. Also, be aware that the handle for your life raft can be put on either end of the raft. Be sure the end with the gas canister is on top where it is more likely to stay dry.

A rain cover over the stern hatch can easily be installed. Screw a 3 long piece of aluminum canvas slide on top of the hatch. Attach a piece of canvas in the grove with grommets to tie back to the rail and sides. Now you can go ashore without worrying about the rain and a hot boat when you get back, and you dont have to jump up in the middle of the night when it starts to rain.

A forward hatch rain cover can be made of a large triangular piece of canvas tied to the railings and lifeline. The forward end needs to be lower than the aft, to prevent the wind from driving the rain into the hatch.

Keep an eye on the health of your pole topping lift. It is cheap to replace, but when it breaks youll have quite a fire-drill and the potential to do a lot of damage to your boat and the pole.

If you dont use your freezer routinely for frozen goods, you can store drinks in it and only turn it on when youre using your generator or motoring. This gives you cool drinks without any battery drain.

A dinghy roller can be installed in the hole where the center stern railing post fits. Buy a rubber roller from a boat trailer equipment shop, about 10 long. Weld it to a stainless bracket with a stainless pipe on the bottom the same size as the railing pipe, only 3 or 4 inches long. Stick this in the hole and pull your dinghy up over the transom onto the top of the aft cabin.

The original Amel carpets seem to stubbornly hold on to hair, even the most powerful vacuum cant seem to pull the hair off the carpet nap. We found a product called Gonzo, a pet hair lifter, that works great to get hair up. It looks like a sponge and can be found at Bed Bath and Beyond.

Anyone who is handy with woodwork can easily build some nice shelves in the back of the forward and aft hanging lockers. There is plenty of room as there is ample depth. There are two stringers in the back that the shelves can rest on. All you need is the side pieces to rest the shelf on and youll have yet more storage space !

All the best,

John Martin
Moon Dog SM 248

Homeport: Chesapeake Bay area for now
Home phone: 410-230-0504

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Photos of damaged Amels - remove or not?

Mike Johnson

Hi everyone,

As a potential owner of a SM I monitor this site to learn and understand
everything about Amel, the good and the not so good. I have learnt an awful
lot about the boat and the company that produces them, none of what I have
seen or heard has deflected me from the opinion that an SM is for us.

A sanitised forum that only showed good is of little use to anyone who is
serious about understanding the SMs capabilities and limitations.

My vote is to keep the photo's.



From: closereach []
Sent: 23 October 2004 06:52
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Photos of damaged Amels - remove or not?

What do you--the members that make up this Forum--want? So far four
owners have spoken up: two to remove the photos; two to keep the
photos. This is your forum; if you have an opinion about this please
speak up!

I know why I started this Forum 3 years ago: to share knowledge about
these boats with other owners out there. The good. The bad. Seeing
photos of hurricane damaged Amels hasn't changed my opinion about
these great yachts. In fact, by posting the photos we--again--learned
something very interesting about our manufacturer. One of our members
reports that Amel arranged for a barge to pull 'their' boats out of
the water and to transport the damaged boats back to La Rochelle.
Hmmm. Has Swan or HR or Oyster gone that far?

I too am troubled by removing these photos. Where could this lead? To
censoring anything negative that comes up? We all have spent
considerable sums purchasing these yachts--could it be that we are so
concerned on resale value that we don't want any flaws or negative
findings to get 'out there'?

Some could say there was nothing to learn from these photos--but
morbid fascination. But is that true? Perhaps the owner the sunk
Mango/Maramu/Sharki will tell us if he/she had the watertight doors
shut tight or not. I learned that even putting the boats on the hard
didn't remove the boats from danger.

That's where I sit? What about you?

Richard Tate
SM #5 "Spice"

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Re: RE : [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster through hull seals (SM Nr.143)


Hello Patrick,

Thank you for your input which is of great help to me.
Gigue (SM143)

--- In, "Patrick Naegels"
<naegels@t...> wrote:
Hello Rainer,

small rubber gasket is for bowthruster shaft, just behind composite
Put new gaskets same side as old

Caramel (SM 329)

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De : rainer_bichlbauer [mailto:rainerbichlbauer@a...]
Envoyé : samedi 23 octobre 2004 12:45
À :
Objet : [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow thruster through hull seals (SM

I got from Amel 5 parts to replace the seals on the bow thruster.
Since I have never done this before myself I am not sure how to
position those parts. My assumption is:
1. Two of the foam rubber rings be placed outside the hull on the
shaft of the bow thruster.
2. One of the foam rubber rings to be placed inside the hull on the
3. The large rubber gasket (ring) to be placed where the shaft
penetrates the hull - but wich side upside???
4. And there is a small rubber gasket (ring)and I have no clue were
to put it?
If there is anyone who knows how to do it I would be very thankful
for the relevant information.
Rainer Bichlbauer

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Grenada Lessons

rbenven44 <no_reply@...>

Our SM Excalibur was in Maine in September. We had good friends
aboard, a french couple who own a Maramu. They arrived on Sept. 7,
the day Ivan hit Grenada, where their Maramu "Fleur de Passion" was
stored at Spice Island Marina. For the next three weeks, as we
cruised New England, we tried to get information from Grenada. As
the news of the devastation slowly came out, the most reassuring
input was from Amel in France, sending people from Guadeloupe, and
making plans to bring damaged boats back to France.
The major lessons learned so far from Ivan: If a big hurricane
hits, what happens to your boat depends more on luck than anything
else...where it is stored, what hits it, what it hits if it falls
over, etc. St. David's did a lot better than Spice Island or
Martin's Marina, but probably because of how the storm behaved more
than anything else. At Spice Island, some Amels fared much better
than others -- mostly luck, it seems.
The other big lesson: Insurance matters. Some Amels had no
insurance for hurricanes, only for "tropical storms" (less wind).
These owners figured that hurricanes don't hit Grenada. Other owners
found that whether you are insured for "agreed value" or "value
determined by assessors" matters a lot. The latter group may be in
dispute with their insurers, an unpleasant prospect.
We will all learn a lot from the repair processes of the damaged
boats. Please keep us posted.
Best wishes to all who suffered losses from Ivan and other storms.
Regards, Roy


tkeesling <tkeesling@...>

I was able to obtain some additional pics of the damage done to an
Amel. The Amel appears to have been knocked over while on jack stands
when a 20' wall of water came through. It seems to have the hull
stove in when it fell on a 20"-24" concrete piling. The amount of
damage seems rather minor considering the amount of concentrated force
applied to the boat. While there are so many random events in a
disaster like this, there are also a few examples that substantiate
the claims of the manufacture.

If the pics showed floating bodies or personal injury, that is an
entirely different matter. The forum shows pics of broken, damaged
and corroded parts with ideas on how to fix it. If you have to store
your entire boat in that part of the world during hurricane season, it
seems prudent to get as much info as possible.

I would also like to see pics on how the the damage was repaired.

If the pics offend delicate sensibilities...dont look.

--- In, "Alejandro Paquin"
<alex.paquin@u...> wrote:

I see no point is removing the pictures. I totally agree with other
members reasoning for keeping the pictures and the forum open to wide
discussion on Amel and issues that can help Amel Owners.

I do think that, posting unrelated pictures of damage in Grenada (or
any other unrelated subject for that matter) is non conducive,