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Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

lior 555 <lior246@...>
 

Hi Colin and Richard

Thanks a lot for your feedback. I will use a whip antenna.
I just did not understand for what could use the triact.

Regards
Lior








2013/5/28 Richard03801 <richard03801@yahoo.com>

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Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the
ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the
triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330


On May 24, 2013, at 9:22, lior 555 <lior246@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior

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Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 24, 2013, at 9:22, lior 555 <lior246@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior

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Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Lior
Just noticed your post and I think you have the 54, not the SM53 so my
pictures may not help but in case it helps, I put a series of pictures on
the site under pictures - Island Pearl II - which showed how we installed a
icom 710 & AT130 on a SM2K see link
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/1725793283/pic/list?mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc
At
the end of my pictures I have just inserted a picture of where I have seen
the Icom M810 e HF radio nicely fitted above the small nav station window
on a particularly well fitted out Amel54.
Cheers
Colin Streeter
Island Pearl II - SM2K#332 - now for sale in Brisbane, Australia


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM, lior 555 <lior246@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior

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*0411 016 445*


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Re: Hi Bob,

minaxi53
 

Eric
I am just around the corner from you in Bayville. Can't believe we have not run into each other either in Huntington or the Caribbean.
Bob

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Where are you located in New York

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

Huntington , NY



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Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Hi Bob,





Thank you very much for sharing your experience and tips. This does sound
like a job for professionals as our DIY skills in this area are limited.
Will look into Lonseal too. Meanwhile we'll try to keep the dust residue to
a minimum by continually vacuuming around the sagging edges before a falling
duststorm occurs!
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM102

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "minaxi53" <bob@> wrote:


Deb and Mike,
s/v Minaxi is one of the first run SM's, hull #6 so I encountered this
problem several years ago. It seems to be an accepted fact by now that the
foam backed vinyl was a huge mistake. The heat of the sun on the deck
degrades the foam to a point where it is just powder and then of course the
adhesive does not hold it. I'm sorry to say that you are going to experience
a constant battle with the sagging headliner until you deal with it once and
for all. My problem also started in the forward cabin, I solved this with 4
thin ( 30mm x 5mm) mahogany strips fixed with very small thin screws into
the roof. It worked well and still looks great, however this is the easiest
cabin to deal with. The rest of the boat (as the problem spreads) is harder
because of all the corners and shapes etc. I used a mixture of some mahogany
strips and some areas I re attached the vinyl. This was a messy horrible job
and does not look good. It involves peeling back the vinyl until you reach
an area that is still good, then scrape, sand or rub with paint thiner to
remove the old backing. Mask and goggles a must! Then I used a regular brush
on contact adhesive. This seems to have solved the problem for me
temporarily, but it does not look great, the areas where i re glued the
vinyl are now without backing and looks flat and different. The vinyl in the
closets will also start to fall off, here I just ripped it all off and
cleaned and painted the walls with a gloss white, looks OK and easy to
clean. I accept that very soon I will have to bite the bullet and strip the
whole boat out and do it again from scratch. My plan is to do this when I
next get to cruise south, maybe Grenada where it will be much cheaper to do
it than here in New York. One thing for sure, I'M NOT DOING IT!!
I was in Croatia 3 years ago and you can find good local labor at
reasonable rates, I found going through the Marinas was very expensive and
frustrating, maybe you should start by talking to local auto shops.
Good luck with your project. I think I am going to research this 'Lonseal'
product mention in this topic.
Bob, s/ v Minaxi. Currently in NY waiting for our next escape.
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@>
wrote:

Hello

We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to
repair the sagging headlining.
At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl
loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the
pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin,
closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a
major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various
other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We
have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl
up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust
that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further.
Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of
wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue
the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be
greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any
recommendations for someone who can repair the headlining in or near
Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again?

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have.

Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre



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Re: [Amel] Re: Headlining how-to

Chris Smither <yachtakwaaba@...>
 

Hi,
On our santorin sloop we had the job done in Thailand .
Prior to that we held the drooping headlining up with varnished mahogany strips to give an 'old English timber 'look. This lasted about 2 years .

Having cleaned off the old foam and vinyl we attached 5 mm closed cell foam to the fibreglass and allowed it to bond and cure.
We then stuck cream vinyl to the closed cell foam trimmed to size & replaced the centre wood struts to hide the joins.

This has given us excellent insulation and a clean finish. We also replaced the central hatch curtains with blinds.

Hope this helps

Chris and Mike,
sv Akwaaba ,santorin sloop 027


Re: Hi Bob,

Eric Freedman
 

Where are you located in New York

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite

Huntington , NY



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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wintherdeb
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Hi Bob,





Thank you very much for sharing your experience and tips. This does sound
like a job for professionals as our DIY skills in this area are limited.
Will look into Lonseal too. Meanwhile we'll try to keep the dust residue to
a minimum by continually vacuuming around the sagging edges before a falling
duststorm occurs!
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM102

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "minaxi53" <bob@...> wrote:


Deb and Mike,
s/v Minaxi is one of the first run SM's, hull #6 so I encountered this
problem several years ago. It seems to be an accepted fact by now that the
foam backed vinyl was a huge mistake. The heat of the sun on the deck
degrades the foam to a point where it is just powder and then of course the
adhesive does not hold it. I'm sorry to say that you are going to experience
a constant battle with the sagging headliner until you deal with it once and
for all. My problem also started in the forward cabin, I solved this with 4
thin ( 30mm x 5mm) mahogany strips fixed with very small thin screws into
the roof. It worked well and still looks great, however this is the easiest
cabin to deal with. The rest of the boat (as the problem spreads) is harder
because of all the corners and shapes etc. I used a mixture of some mahogany
strips and some areas I re attached the vinyl. This was a messy horrible job
and does not look good. It involves peeling back the vinyl until you reach
an area that is still good, then scrape, sand or rub with paint thiner to
remove the old backing. Mask and goggles a must! Then I used a regular brush
on contact adhesive. This seems to have solved the problem for me
temporarily, but it does not look great, the areas where i re glued the
vinyl are now without backing and looks flat and different. The vinyl in the
closets will also start to fall off, here I just ripped it all off and
cleaned and painted the walls with a gloss white, looks OK and easy to
clean. I accept that very soon I will have to bite the bullet and strip the
whole boat out and do it again from scratch. My plan is to do this when I
next get to cruise south, maybe Grenada where it will be much cheaper to do
it than here in New York. One thing for sure, I'M NOT DOING IT!!
I was in Croatia 3 years ago and you can find good local labor at
reasonable rates, I found going through the Marinas was very expensive and
frustrating, maybe you should start by talking to local auto shops.
Good luck with your project. I think I am going to research this 'Lonseal'
product mention in this topic.
Bob, s/ v Minaxi. Currently in NY waiting for our next escape.
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@>
wrote:

Hello

We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to
repair the sagging headlining.
At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl
loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the
pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin,
closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a
major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various
other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We
have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl
up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust
that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further.
Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of
wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue
the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be
greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any
recommendations for someone who can repair the headlining in or near
Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again?

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have.

Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre



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Re: Headlining how-to

wintherdeb <wintherdeb@...>
 

Thank you very much for sharing your experience and tips. This does sound like a job for professionals as our DIY skills in this area are limited. Will look into Lonseal too. Meanwhile we'll try to keep the dust residue to a minimum by continually vacuuming around the sagging edges before a falling duststorm occurs!
Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre SM102

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "minaxi53" <bob@...> wrote:


Deb and Mike,
s/v Minaxi is one of the first run SM's, hull #6 so I encountered this problem several years ago. It seems to be an accepted fact by now that the foam backed vinyl was a huge mistake. The heat of the sun on the deck degrades the foam to a point where it is just powder and then of course the adhesive does not hold it. I'm sorry to say that you are going to experience a constant battle with the sagging headliner until you deal with it once and for all. My problem also started in the forward cabin, I solved this with 4 thin ( 30mm x 5mm) mahogany strips fixed with very small thin screws into the roof. It worked well and still looks great, however this is the easiest cabin to deal with. The rest of the boat (as the problem spreads) is harder because of all the corners and shapes etc. I used a mixture of some mahogany strips and some areas I re attached the vinyl. This was a messy horrible job and does not look good. It involves peeling back the vinyl until you reach an area that is still good, then scrape, sand or rub with paint thiner to remove the old backing. Mask and goggles a must! Then I used a regular brush on contact adhesive. This seems to have solved the problem for me temporarily, but it does not look great, the areas where i re glued the vinyl are now without backing and looks flat and different. The vinyl in the closets will also start to fall off, here I just ripped it all off and cleaned and painted the walls with a gloss white, looks OK and easy to clean. I accept that very soon I will have to bite the bullet and strip the whole boat out and do it again from scratch. My plan is to do this when I next get to cruise south, maybe Grenada where it will be much cheaper to do it than here in New York. One thing for sure, I'M NOT DOING IT!!
I was in Croatia 3 years ago and you can find good local labor at reasonable rates, I found going through the Marinas was very expensive and frustrating, maybe you should start by talking to local auto shops.
Good luck with your project. I think I am going to research this 'Lonseal' product mention in this topic.
Bob, s/ v Minaxi. Currently in NY waiting for our next escape.
--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:

Hello

We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to repair the sagging headlining.
At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin, closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further. Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any recommendations for someone who can repair the headlining in or near Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again?

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have.

Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre


Re: Headlining how-to

minaxi53
 

Deb and Mike,
s/v Minaxi is one of the first run SM's, hull #6 so I encountered this problem several years ago. It seems to be an accepted fact by now that the foam backed vinyl was a huge mistake. The heat of the sun on the deck degrades the foam to a point where it is just powder and then of course the adhesive does not hold it. I'm sorry to say that you are going to experience a constant battle with the sagging headliner until you deal with it once and for all. My problem also started in the forward cabin, I solved this with 4 thin ( 30mm x 5mm) mahogany strips fixed with very small thin screws into the roof. It worked well and still looks great, however this is the easiest cabin to deal with. The rest of the boat (as the problem spreads) is harder because of all the corners and shapes etc. I used a mixture of some mahogany strips and some areas I re attached the vinyl. This was a messy horrible job and does not look good. It involves peeling back the vinyl until you reach an area that is still good, then scrape, sand or rub with paint thiner to remove the old backing. Mask and goggles a must! Then I used a regular brush on contact adhesive. This seems to have solved the problem for me temporarily, but it does not look great, the areas where i re glued the vinyl are now without backing and looks flat and different. The vinyl in the closets will also start to fall off, here I just ripped it all off and cleaned and painted the walls with a gloss white, looks OK and easy to clean. I accept that very soon I will have to bite the bullet and strip the whole boat out and do it again from scratch. My plan is to do this when I next get to cruise south, maybe Grenada where it will be much cheaper to do it than here in New York. One thing for sure, I'M NOT DOING IT!!
I was in Croatia 3 years ago and you can find good local labor at reasonable rates, I found going through the Marinas was very expensive and frustrating, maybe you should start by talking to local auto shops.
Good luck with your project. I think I am going to research this 'Lonseal' product mention in this topic.
Bob, s/ v Minaxi. Currently in NY waiting for our next escape.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:

Hello

We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to repair the sagging headlining.
At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin, closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further. Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any recommendations for someone who can repair the headlining in or near Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again?

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have.

Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre


Re: [Amel] Re: Headlining how-to

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all, as promised I was at the boat today and the adhesive I have used is 3M General trim Adhesive 08088
Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

From: jjjk12s <jjjk12s@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 25 May 2013 10:06 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Headlining how-to

 
Deb and Mike,

I have redone the vinyl on my Maramu. It is a long, messy and unpleasant job. The positives are that the wood trim is not hard to remove and the boat is vastly improved afterwards. You may have missed some of the older posts about this topic. There is one by Joel Potter you should read. It is post 1416.

It is a great job to get someone else to do!

To do temporary patch repairs the 3M spray adhesive comes in several varieties (very confusing):

#80. Rubber and Vinyl. This I recon is the recommended one.

#77 is general stuff and I don't think suitable for vinyl
Spray Trim Adhesive (8074) for lightweight trim
General Trim Adhesive -the only one I could get here (This I think is what is also called 8088)
Super Trim Adhesive. Like the above but stronger (Also called 8090)

A problem I found trying to buy the 3M glue was getting it airfrieghted so if they don't sell it locally it may be hard to obtain. If you use another glue like brush on contact adhesive it can be harder to remove later, messy and the plasticisers in the vinyl can inferfer with the glue. Not that 3M it totally immune from this problem. I used the 3M General Trim Adhesive as the upholstery supplier recommended it and it was the only 3M adhesive they stocked, but even that has failed in a couple of spots recently after the boat was left closed up for a few weeks in 38+ degrees heat, near 100% humidity and with the deck too hot to walk on in bare feet. Now some needs to be regluged (arrrghh), now will try the 3M #80. But thankfully no foam anymore. Your difficulty with regluing small areas will be cleaning up the foam and old glue sufficiently well to get a good bond.

If you get the whole lot redone and use new product rather than regluing the old vinyl I would recommend avoiding foam backed vinyl. If you want the same look try to get felt backed like the later Amel SM. Alternatively panels can be used eg made from thin marine ply with vinyl attached to them. I don't know how all the fiddly corners and small areas would be done though.

John, Maramu #91

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:

Hello

We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to repair the sagging headlining.
At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin, closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining.. We have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further. Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any recommendations for
someone who can repair the headlining in or near Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again?

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have.

Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre


Re: Headlining how-to

jjjk12s <jjjk12s@...>
 

Deb and Mike,

I have redone the vinyl on my Maramu. It is a long, messy and unpleasant job. The positives are that the wood trim is not hard to remove and the boat is vastly improved afterwards. You may have missed some of the older posts about this topic. There is one by Joel Potter you should read. It is post 1416.

It is a great job to get someone else to do!

To do temporary patch repairs the 3M spray adhesive comes in several varieties (very confusing):

#80. Rubber and Vinyl. This I recon is the recommended one.

#77 is general stuff and I don't think suitable for vinyl
Spray Trim Adhesive (8074) for lightweight trim
General Trim Adhesive -the only one I could get here (This I think is what is also called 8088)
Super Trim Adhesive. Like the above but stronger (Also called 8090)

A problem I found trying to buy the 3M glue was getting it airfrieghted so if they don't sell it locally it may be hard to obtain. If you use another glue like brush on contact adhesive it can be harder to remove later, messy and the plasticisers in the vinyl can inferfer with the glue. Not that 3M it totally immune from this problem. I used the 3M General Trim Adhesive as the upholstery supplier recommended it and it was the only 3M adhesive they stocked, but even that has failed in a couple of spots recently after the boat was left closed up for a few weeks in 38+ degrees heat, near 100% humidity and with the deck too hot to walk on in bare feet. Now some needs to be regluged (arrrghh), now will try the 3M #80. But thankfully no foam anymore. Your difficulty with regluing small areas will be cleaning up the foam and old glue sufficiently well to get a good bond.

If you get the whole lot redone and use new product rather than regluing the old vinyl I would recommend avoiding foam backed vinyl. If you want the same look try to get felt backed like the later Amel SM. Alternatively panels can be used eg made from thin marine ply with vinyl attached to them. I don't know how all the fiddly corners and small areas would be done though.

John, Maramu #91

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:

Hello

We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to repair the sagging headlining.
At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin, closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further. Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any recommendations for someone who can repair the headlining in or near Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again?

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have.

Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre


Re: [Amel] Headliner vinyl

wintherdeb <wintherdeb@...>
 

Thank you for the link, wasn't aware of the website before. May try a temporary fix and see how the budget looks for a major lining project...probably sooner rather than later as the lining seems to be sagging more by the week!
Deb & Mike
Amel SM102 Coriandre

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Attilio Siviero YAHOO <attilio.siviero@...> wrote:

Hi,
we have a 1993 Santorin #86, purchased in 2009. Same problems with vinyl headliner.

We have invested some 10,000Euros and we have changed ALL the lining. The problem is that in 1993 Amel used a product that with the heat detaches from ceiling.

The people that made the job in Sardinia, Cagliari, are Gilles Le Moulec (+33 6 50 19 95 60) and Severine Vargas (+33 6 75 76 54 71), of Karen Team (gilles.lemoulec@...) and http://www.karinteam.com/it/esthetique-amel/vaigrages-amel.

They are based in St Raphael, but they can travel in the Med

Fair winds

Attilio & Maria Siviero
Amel Santorin#84 "Sisila"


Il giorno 23/mag/2013, alle ore 22:27, Bob Hodgins <bobh@...> ha scritto:

Gallivant suffered a fire, started by the aft a/c unit. We replaced all
of the vinyl in the main cabin, walk thru and aft cabin. She is now
seven years old but mostly brand new.
Bob
Gallivant
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SSB installation on Amel 54

lior 555 <lior246@...>
 

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior


Re: [Amel] Headliner vinyl

Attilio Siviero YAHOO <attilio.siviero@...>
 

Hi,
we have a 1993 Santorin #86, purchased in 2009. Same problems with vinyl headliner.

We have invested some 10,000Euros and we have changed ALL the lining. The problem is that in 1993 Amel used a product that with the heat detaches from ceiling.

The people that made the job in Sardinia, Cagliari, are Gilles Le Moulec (+33 6 50 19 95 60) and Severine Vargas (+33 6 75 76 54 71), of Karen Team (gilles.lemoulec@aliceadsl.fr) and http://www.karinteam.com/it/esthetique-amel/vaigrages-amel.

They are based in St Raphael, but they can travel in the Med

Fair winds

Attilio & Maria Siviero
Amel Santorin#84 "Sisila"

Il giorno 23/mag/2013, alle ore 22:27, Bob Hodgins <bobh@hodginsengraving.com> ha scritto:

Gallivant suffered a fire, started by the aft a/c unit. We replaced all
of the vinyl in the main cabin, walk thru and aft cabin. She is now
seven years old but mostly brand new.
Bob
Gallivant
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Re: [Amel] Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi thanks. The point is that NEW smart charger eliminate the need for a small charger. One that is at least 10% of your bank will take care of ALL your needs. Good luck with your current setup. And fairwinds.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 24, 2013, at 0:52, "drew_gaffney" <drew.gaffney@vanderbilt.edu> wrote:

When we went to NZ to see about buying Revelation SM390, we found the battery compartment full of acid and 12 dry Trojan batteries. The Dolphin 30 A charger had cooked them having remained in bulk charge mode. The charger had been replaced once and repaired a second time. It was no longer being serviced by Dolphin.
The owner replaced the batteries and I added a Xantrex Freedom inverter charger which has worked well. It delivers approximately 40A. The Dolphin 100 A charger PCB failed, was not repairable, and was replaced with a Victron Centaur 100A Charger. It failed after 1yr, was replaced, and a year later, was not charging properly. The dealer in Phuket changed the program to provide 28.8V bulk charge and it's worked well for the past 6 mo's. Who know's what's next.
You will need some a lower Amp charger for use in the marina... I would not buy Dolphin again.
Drew
Revelation SM390
On the hard, Krabi Thailand

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Thank you Roque.
I was wondering if anyone else has had similar problems.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roque
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries

Hi

1. Even the so called sealed maintenance free batteries need to be checked
from time to time, if they have a way to top the water (as most do). They
are in fact ¨low maintenance¨ ;

2. If you have a voltage regulator, it doesn´t matter if the charger is
small. In fact, the trouble is when you have a charger that is too big for
the bank (about 20 to 25% of the total amperage would be ideal). I guess
you have at least a 600A battery bank, so both the 100 charger and the 175A
nominal alternator would be fine

3. If you do have a voltage regulator, maybe it was set to charge a
different kind of battery. The alternator could also be a suspect, if the
voltage it delivers is out of range, (but it sounds like you don´t use it a
lot).

Rgds

Roque
Atica Amel 54
currently in Benalmádena- Spain


2013/5/22 eric <kimberlite@...>

**


On our trip home from St Martin last week, we discovered that most of the
liquid in all the sealed maintenance free batteries had boiled off. I did
not realize that under the labels there are plugs where water can be
added.
In any event all the house (12) batteries
have to be replaced.
We have a 175 amp alternator and 30 and 100 amp Dolphin chargers.
I spoke with Dolphin and they said that the 30 amp charger is too small
for the bank and it probably cooked the batteries as it saw the bank as
always needing a charge. I plan on having the alternator checked and then
speak again with Dolphin when I install the new batteries.

Kimberlite usually is in a marina somewhere and plugged in with the 30 amp
charger running.
Any thoughts on my problem?
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



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Re: [Amel] Re: Headlining how-to

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Deb, I will be on the boat over the weekend and I will look at what we have and let you know.
 It came with the boat and Ive just used it on the few occasions needed without looking too closely at the can. Generally 3M are good products so if they have a vinyl adhesive spray you should be safe to use it. Ours was so easy, a quick spray and slap it up and it stays there
Regards
Danny
SM299 Ocean Pearl
From: wintherdeb <wintherdeb@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 6:53 PM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Headlining how-to

 
Which adhesive spray would you suggest - 3M?
thanks
Deb

--- In mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

I have a spray can of vinyl adhesive on the boat and in the very few areas that sag has occurred (in our case little bits at the edges) I just spray it and push it back up. Works well. Certainly would not use wood slats and screws
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
About to depart NZ for the Pacific islands

From: wintherdeb <wintherdeb@...>
To: mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 9:27 PM
Subject: [Amel] Headlining how-to

 
Hello

We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to repair the sagging headlining.
At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin, closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further. Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any recommendations for
someone who can repair the headlining in or near Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again?

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have.

Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre




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Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries

Alan Leslie
 

Any battery charger, if it's big enough, will only supply the current that the battery can accept (otherwise its limited to its max output). Providing there is not some mechanical / electrical defect with the charger, the fact that it is a 100A charger only indicates the maximum current it can provide. It is the state of discharge of the batteries and their acceptance rate that determines the actual current flow. So in terms of maintaining the batteries at the dock there is little or no difference between a 30A and a 100A charger (except our 100A charger frequently trips the shore power breaker on the docks if the battery bank is down)
In bulk mode the voltage increases to the absorption voltage...in this case 28.8V...when it reaches that it is in Absorption mode...bulk charging is finished...voltage is held at that level and current tapers off over time.
AGM batteries for example have a high acceptance rate and so the bulk charge current will be much higher than for so called calcium or flooded batteries....so they can charge faster and therefore a high output charger is beneficial...but if your battery bank will only ever accept say 40Amps, there's little point in having a 100A charger.

Its interesting to hear these comments about Dolphin chargers that have failed...not that many I guess in hundreds of Amel boats out there...I wonder if the failure rate is any different to other brands.

We have Dolphin 30 and 100...they've been in the boat since 2004 without problems as far as I know.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "drew_gaffney" <drew.gaffney@...> wrote:

When we went to NZ to see about buying Revelation SM390, we found the battery compartment full of acid and 12 dry Trojan batteries. The Dolphin 30 A charger had cooked them having remained in bulk charge mode. The charger had been replaced once and repaired a second time. It was no longer being serviced by Dolphin.
The owner replaced the batteries and I added a Xantrex Freedom inverter charger which has worked well. It delivers approximately 40A. The Dolphin 100 A charger PCB failed, was not repairable, and was replaced with a Victron Centaur 100A Charger. It failed after 1yr, was replaced, and a year later, was not charging properly. The dealer in Phuket changed the program to provide 28.8V bulk charge and it's worked well for the past 6 mo's. Who know's what's next.
You will need some a lower Amp charger for use in the marina... I would not buy Dolphin again.
Drew
Revelation SM390
On the hard, Krabi Thailand

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailorman <kimberlite@> wrote:

Thank you Roque.
I was wondering if anyone else has had similar problems.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roque
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries

Hi

1. Even the so called sealed maintenance free batteries need to be checked
from time to time, if they have a way to top the water (as most do). They
are in fact ¨low maintenance¨ ;

2. If you have a voltage regulator, it doesn´t matter if the charger is
small. In fact, the trouble is when you have a charger that is too big for
the bank (about 20 to 25% of the total amperage would be ideal). I guess
you have at least a 600A battery bank, so both the 100 charger and the 175A
nominal alternator would be fine

3. If you do have a voltage regulator, maybe it was set to charge a
different kind of battery. The alternator could also be a suspect, if the
voltage it delivers is out of range, (but it sounds like you don´t use it a
lot).

Rgds

Roque
Atica Amel 54
currently in Benalmádena- Spain


2013/5/22 eric <kimberlite@>

**


On our trip home from St Martin last week, we discovered that most of the
liquid in all the sealed maintenance free batteries had boiled off. I did
not realize that under the labels there are plugs where water can be
added.
In any event all the house (12) batteries
have to be replaced.
We have a 175 amp alternator and 30 and 100 amp Dolphin chargers.
I spoke with Dolphin and they said that the 30 amp charger is too small
for the bank and it probably cooked the batteries as it saw the bank as
always needing a charge. I plan on having the alternator checked and then
speak again with Dolphin when I install the new batteries.

Kimberlite usually is in a marina somewhere and plugged in with the 30 amp
charger running.
Any thoughts on my problem?
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite



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Re: Headlining how-to

wintherdeb <wintherdeb@...>
 

Thanks, we'll be interested in seeing the photos and hear how it is working out.
Deb

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Dave_Benjamin" <dave_benjamin@...> wrote:

Hi Deb and Mike,

We decided to get away from headliner material so we're replacing ours with a product called Lonseal which is actually a commercial flooring material that comes in a variety of appearances. Our method is to aglue the Lonseal to a 1/8" thick piece of mahogany plywood (door skin) and then either glue or screw the assembly in place. So far we've done most of the forepeak and in our estimation looks far superior to vinyl. Costs are comparable to a high quality vinyl and it's easier to install and very easy to keep clean.

I'll be posting photos as we get further into the project.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@> wrote:

Hello

We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to repair the sagging headlining.
At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin, closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further. Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any recommendations for someone who can repair the headlining in or near Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again?

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have.

Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre


Re: Headlining how-to

wintherdeb <wintherdeb@...>
 

Which adhesive spray would you suggest - 3M?
thanks
Deb

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

I have a spray can of vinyl adhesive on the boat and in the very few areas that sag has occurred (in our case little bits at the edges) I just spray it and push it back up. Works well. Certainly would not use wood slats and screws
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
About to depart NZ for the Pacific islands

From: wintherdeb <wintherdeb@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 9:27 PM
Subject: [Amel] Headlining how-to

 
Hello

We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to repair the sagging headlining.
At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin, closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further. Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any recommendations for
someone who can repair the headlining in or near Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again?

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have.

Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre




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Re: Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries

drew_gaffney <drew.gaffney@...>
 

When we went to NZ to see about buying Revelation SM390, we found the battery compartment full of acid and 12 dry Trojan batteries. The Dolphin 30 A charger had cooked them having remained in bulk charge mode. The charger had been replaced once and repaired a second time. It was no longer being serviced by Dolphin.
The owner replaced the batteries and I added a Xantrex Freedom inverter charger which has worked well. It delivers approximately 40A. The Dolphin 100 A charger PCB failed, was not repairable, and was replaced with a Victron Centaur 100A Charger. It failed after 1yr, was replaced, and a year later, was not charging properly. The dealer in Phuket changed the program to provide 28.8V bulk charge and it's worked well for the past 6 mo's. Who know's what's next.
You will need some a lower Amp charger for use in the marina... I would not buy Dolphin again.
Drew
Revelation SM390
On the hard, Krabi Thailand

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Thank you Roque.
I was wondering if anyone else has had similar problems.
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite


-----Original Message-----
From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roque
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] Battery bank problems SM with 13 batteries

Hi

1. Even the so called sealed maintenance free batteries need to be checked
from time to time, if they have a way to top the water (as most do). They
are in fact ¨low maintenance¨ ;

2. If you have a voltage regulator, it doesn´t matter if the charger is
small. In fact, the trouble is when you have a charger that is too big for
the bank (about 20 to 25% of the total amperage would be ideal). I guess
you have at least a 600A battery bank, so both the 100 charger and the 175A
nominal alternator would be fine

3. If you do have a voltage regulator, maybe it was set to charge a
different kind of battery. The alternator could also be a suspect, if the
voltage it delivers is out of range, (but it sounds like you don´t use it a
lot).

Rgds

Roque
Atica Amel 54
currently in Benalmádena- Spain


2013/5/22 eric <kimberlite@...>

**


On our trip home from St Martin last week, we discovered that most of the
liquid in all the sealed maintenance free batteries had boiled off. I did
not realize that under the labels there are plugs where water can be
added.
In any event all the house (12) batteries
have to be replaced.
We have a 175 amp alternator and 30 and 100 amp Dolphin chargers.
I spoke with Dolphin and they said that the 30 amp charger is too small
for the bank and it probably cooked the batteries as it saw the bank as
always needing a charge. I plan on having the alternator checked and then
speak again with Dolphin when I install the new batteries.

Kimberlite usually is in a marina somewhere and plugged in with the 30 amp
charger running.
Any thoughts on my problem?
Fair Winds
Eric
Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite







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Re: Headlining how-to

Dave_Benjamin
 

Hi Deb and Mike,

We decided to get away from headliner material so we're replacing ours with a product called Lonseal which is actually a commercial flooring material that comes in a variety of appearances. Our method is to aglue the Lonseal to a 1/8" thick piece of mahogany plywood (door skin) and then either glue or screw the assembly in place. So far we've done most of the forepeak and in our estimation looks far superior to vinyl. Costs are comparable to a high quality vinyl and it's easier to install and very easy to keep clean.

I'll be posting photos as we get further into the project.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "wintherdeb" <wintherdeb@...> wrote:

Hello

We are owners of a '93 Amel SM and have been trying to find out how to repair the sagging headlining.
At first just a small area in the front cabin of our Amel had vinyl loose and hanging (we're using bullclips as a temporary fix to hold the pieces up). Now there are several areas that are sagging in the main cabin, closets and wc. We have inquired about the problem and it sounds like a major project of taking it all out (requiring screws, panels and various other boat parts to be removed) and redoing it all with new headlining. We have also heard of people getting wood slats to screw in to hold the vinyl up. With this option, how do we clean out all the disintegrated foam/dust that is most likely resting in there without loosening the vinyl further. Where are the best places to screw in the wood panel pieces, what type of wood is best and what width? Also, what type of adhesive is best to reglue the vinyl to the fiberglass ceilings/walls? Any how-to advice would be greatly appreciated. If best to have it professionally done, any recommendations for someone who can repair the headlining in or near Croatia? Finally, how can we prevent the sagging from occurring again?

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions you may have.

Deb & Mike
s/v Coriandre