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Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

jcglt - FK8IH <jcjglt@...>
 

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard03801 <richard03801@...> wrote:

Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller
Here follows a copy of an interesting article about the length of the active antenna above the Automatic Tuning Unit. I personnaly use around 41 feet for my isolated backstay on HamRadio bands.
jcglt - S/Y Bauhinia

The "Best" Random Wire Antenna Lengths

Randon wire lengths you should and should not use!
The random wire antenna is probably one of the least expensive, easiest and
cheapest HF antennas to use if you have a tuner and you want to get the "most" out of a length of "random" wire without having to pull out that calculator, doing the math, getting the center insulator built or bought, running the feedline, and all the rest that goes with putting up a more elaborate antenna.
All you need for a random wire antenna is some wire, your tuner, one or more supports up as high as you can get them to string the wire from the supports to the tuner, at least one or two insulators and a little time.

One single wire, no solder connections, very simple.... all the way from the tuner to the end support. That's it in a nutshell.....or is it?

Many hams have tried till they are blue in the face to install the random wire antenna that works on most; if not all of the HF bands with terrible results.

Swr usually is all over the place and the tuner will just not do it's job. You can get good loading and low swr on sometimes 2 or 3 bands, but one or more of the bands that you want, just will not cooperate with an swr that can be adjusted with the "tuner".

So after much frustration..down it comes and you go on to a totally different type of antenna....all that time just wasted in your opinion.....until now!

We recently found some good information about random wire lengths that you should and should not use.

Jack, VE3EED, hopefully has solved a major headache we all have when we attempt to go thru the trial and error and frustration with getting the random wire to work where WE want it to work.

He knew that in order for the tuner to "see" a fairly low swr to work within it's range, that the antenna had to be NOT A HALF WAVE ON ANY FREQUENCY that we wanted to use, because a half wave will give us a very high impedance and the resulting swr into a 50 ohm transmitter!

So Jack took most of one day, did the math with the aid of his trusty calculator, several cups of coffee and came up with...............................

In Jack's own words....
"Here's the word on random-wire antennae."

Presented for your consideration by Jack, VE3EED.

The table below represents half wave lengths and multiples that you
DO NOT WANT TO USE!

You have to stay away from a half wavelength on any frequency.
Therefore, we came up with the following numbers to avoid (IN FEET):

These lengths in the table below are the culprits that cause all of the trouble when using random lengths.

Frequency MHz 1/2 Wave 2nd Multiple 3rd Multiple 4th Multiple
1.9 246 492 738 984
3.8 123 246 369 492
7.2 65 130 195 260
10.1 46 92 138 184
14.2 33 66 99 132
18.1 26 52 78 104
21.3 22 44 66 88
24.9 19 38 57 76
28.5 16 32 48 64


So those are the numbers above that we have to stay as far away from as possible when building a long-wire antenna.

Here they are in order:
REVISED: 16 19 22 26 32 33 38 44 46 48 52 64 65 66 76 78 80 88 92 95 96 99 104 110 112 114 123 128 130 132 133 138 144 152 154 156 160 165 171 176 182 184 190 192 195 198 208 209 220 224 228 230 231 234 240 242 246 247 256 260 264 266 272 276 285 286 288 297 304 308 312 320 322 323 325 330 336 338 342 352 361 363 364 366 368 369 374 380 384 390 396 399 400 414 416 418 429 432 437 440 442 448 455 456 460 462 464 468 475 480 484 494 495 496.

Some of these numbers are too close to squeeze in between them.

Here are the final numbers (in my opinion) in green below that would be good for a long-wire antenna: (You may want to make a note of them)

REVISED: 29 35.5 41 58 71 84 107 119 148 203 347 407 423


Re: [Amel] Re: SSB installation on Amel 54

Peter Forbes
 

Thanks so much all you guys for all the very kind and helpful comment. Please keep it coming.

My beautiful 54 hull # 35 is called "Carango" -I just bought it on Friday - life's dream.

I hope I meet many of you around the World although we plan to trial it out in the Med fir the next 2 years. How much grilled calamari can I eat?

Thank you for the support.

Best wishes

Peter

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
ppsforbes@gmail.com

On 29 May 2013, at 19:30, "kimberlite" <kimberlite@optonline.net> wrote:

I have been using the factory installed whip antenna for the last 10 years . I have spoken to my weather steerer Herb from France, Lisbon and across the Atlantic. He is Located in Canada.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Super Maramu #376

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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsrogers47
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: SSB installation on Amel 54

Regarding the SSB installation, my aft missen stay with a insolator is my antenna. My understanding is that the longer the antenna the better. I have used it for sending and receiving email via Sailmail using their Rocky Hill, NC station which is over 1000 miles and it works fine. One note of importance is to run the antenna lead cable in PVC conduit and stand it off from the stay as it follows the stay to a point of attachment above the insolator. Otherwise radio interferrance will enter the stay and the other boat wiring.

John S. Rogers
SM #105 Its Good
Northeast coast, USA

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Anne and John Hollamby " <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Peter, Many years ago I crewed on a yacht doing the ARC and it had an Icom with the fibre glass antenna. When we were half way across the Atlantic Andrew Bishop, who now runs the ARC, was stuck by the gybing boom and knocked unconscious. We got him down below and when the net came on his father called up for medical advice. This was to put him in his bunk and get him checked when we got to Barbados.
A short while later we heard Cornell talking with his office in the UK trying to get media coverage for the ARC’s life saving advice! The skipper, Andrews father, then had to call his wife in the UK over the short wave link to tell her that there was nothing to worry about in case she read something in the press about her son’s alleged perilous medical condition. This was all done at long range over the fibreglass antenna so I had no concerns about the one on my boat. I would have grave doubts about the competence of your adviser. When the installation is complete get an amateur radio operator to contact anyone at least 1000 miles away for a radio check to make sure you have a good installation and put your mind at rest.
Good luck, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319 Malta

From: Peter Forbes
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Cc: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54


Richard,

I finally bough my dream Amel 54 (hull no 35) from an Italian Rudi Peroni in Rhodes last week.

I too am installing Icom 801 SSB. I was told the 2.4m long whip antenna was only for receiving the DSC reply to a distress call and the main antenna for tx/rx should be a separate either triticale or back stay long antenna. Is that not correct.

The Icom 801 is just a marinised version of Icom 802.

Thanks for your help earlier too.

Peter

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
mailto:ppsforbes%40gmail.com

On 28 May 2013, at 03:00, Richard03801 <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 24, 2013, at 9:22, lior 555 <mailto:lior246%40gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior















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Re: [Amel] Re: SSB installation on Amel 54

Eric Freedman
 

I have been using the factory installed whip antenna for the last 10 years . I have spoken to my weather steerer Herb from France, Lisbon and across the Atlantic. He is Located in Canada.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Super Maramu #376





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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsrogers47
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: SSB installation on Amel 54





Regarding the SSB installation, my aft missen stay with a insolator is my antenna. My understanding is that the longer the antenna the better. I have used it for sending and receiving email via Sailmail using their Rocky Hill, NC station which is over 1000 miles and it works fine. One note of importance is to run the antenna lead cable in PVC conduit and stand it off from the stay as it follows the stay to a point of attachment above the insolator. Otherwise radio interferrance will enter the stay and the other boat wiring.

John S. Rogers
SM #105 Its Good
Northeast coast, USA

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "Anne and John Hollamby " <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Peter, Many years ago I crewed on a yacht doing the ARC and it had an Icom with the fibre glass antenna. When we were half way across the Atlantic Andrew Bishop, who now runs the ARC, was stuck by the gybing boom and knocked unconscious. We got him down below and when the net came on his father called up for medical advice. This was to put him in his bunk and get him checked when we got to Barbados.
A short while later we heard Cornell talking with his office in the UK trying to get media coverage for the ARC’s life saving advice! The skipper, Andrews father, then had to call his wife in the UK over the short wave link to tell her that there was nothing to worry about in case she read something in the press about her son’s alleged perilous medical condition. This was all done at long range over the fibreglass antenna so I had no concerns about the one on my boat. I would have grave doubts about the competence of your adviser. When the installation is complete get an amateur radio operator to contact anyone at least 1000 miles away for a radio check to make sure you have a good installation and put your mind at rest.
Good luck, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319 Malta

From: Peter Forbes
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Cc: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54


Richard,

I finally bough my dream Amel 54 (hull no 35) from an Italian Rudi Peroni in Rhodes last week.

I too am installing Icom 801 SSB. I was told the 2.4m long whip antenna was only for receiving the DSC reply to a distress call and the main antenna for tx/rx should be a separate either triticale or back stay long antenna. Is that not correct.

The Icom 801 is just a marinised version of Icom 802.

Thanks for your help earlier too.

Peter

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
mailto:ppsforbes%40gmail.com

On 28 May 2013, at 03:00, Richard03801 <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 24, 2013, at 9:22, lior 555 <mailto:lior246%40gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior

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Re: SSB installation on Amel 54

jsrogers47 <jsrogers@...>
 

Regarding the SSB installation, my aft missen stay with a insolator is my antenna. My understanding is that the longer the antenna the better. I have used it for sending and receiving email via Sailmail using their Rocky Hill, NC station which is over 1000 miles and it works fine. One note of importance is to run the antenna lead cable in PVC conduit and stand it off from the stay as it follows the stay to a point of attachment above the insolator. Otherwise radio interferrance will enter the stay and the other boat wiring.

John S. Rogers
SM #105 Its Good
Northeast coast, USA

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Anne and John Hollamby " <annejohnholl@...> wrote:

Hello Peter, Many years ago I crewed on a yacht doing the ARC and it had an Icom with the fibre glass antenna. When we were half way across the Atlantic Andrew Bishop, who now runs the ARC, was stuck by the gybing boom and knocked unconscious. We got him down below and when the net came on his father called up for medical advice. This was to put him in his bunk and get him checked when we got to Barbados.
A short while later we heard Cornell talking with his office in the UK trying to get media coverage for the ARC’s life saving advice! The skipper, Andrews father, then had to call his wife in the UK over the short wave link to tell her that there was nothing to worry about in case she read something in the press about her son’s alleged perilous medical condition. This was all done at long range over the fibreglass antenna so I had no concerns about the one on my boat. I would have grave doubts about the competence of your adviser. When the installation is complete get an amateur radio operator to contact anyone at least 1000 miles away for a radio check to make sure you have a good installation and put your mind at rest.
Good luck, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319 Malta

From: Peter Forbes
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Cc: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54


Richard,

I finally bough my dream Amel 54 (hull no 35) from an Italian Rudi Peroni in Rhodes last week.

I too am installing Icom 801 SSB. I was told the 2.4m long whip antenna was only for receiving the DSC reply to a distress call and the main antenna for tx/rx should be a separate either triticale or back stay long antenna. Is that not correct.

The Icom 801 is just a marinised version of Icom 802.

Thanks for your help earlier too.

Peter

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
mailto:ppsforbes%40gmail.com

On 28 May 2013, at 03:00, Richard03801 <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 24, 2013, at 9:22, lior 555 <mailto:lior246%40gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior

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Re: Amel Parts

John S. Rogers <jsrogers@...>
 

To Bob on Brittrany de la Mer:



I contact Colette or Maude at +33 5 13 78 16 50 or email them at sav@amel.fr



Good Luck

John S. Rogers

SM 105, S/V Its Good


Re: Amel Parts

Alain Feuillet <alainfeuillet@...>
 

Hi Bob, I used several time in the past year this adress:
sav-at-amel.fr. Colette LIMOUZIN the secretary did the job very well at
any time. When she cannot answer or fix something, she puts you in
contact with the aftersale boss Mr Christian Dufour. I did not try but I
believe that both are speaking english. This is La Rochelle aftersale
which appeared more competent than Hyères aftersale.
If you have language issue with them I may help you.
Best regards
Alain
(From PILGRIM SM#26)


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Amel Parts

rossirossix4
 

Hi, Does anyone have the best contact names, numbers, email and stategy for parts from Amel, a recent email using my old contact information has gone unanswered. Also, is there a contact that is English speaking?
Bob, Brittany de la Mer


Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi Peter I don't know who gave you that information they are completely and totally in error that fiberglass antenna will do you well worldwide

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 29, 2013, at 4:51, "Anne and John Hollamby " <annejohnholl@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Peter, Many years ago I crewed on a yacht doing the ARC and it had an Icom with the fibre glass antenna. When we were half way across the Atlantic Andrew Bishop, who now runs the ARC, was stuck by the gybing boom and knocked unconscious. We got him down below and when the net came on his father called up for medical advice. This was to put him in his bunk and get him checked when we got to Barbados.
A short while later we heard Cornell talking with his office in the UK trying to get media coverage for the ARC’s life saving advice! The skipper, Andrews father, then had to call his wife in the UK over the short wave link to tell her that there was nothing to worry about in case she read something in the press about her son’s alleged perilous medical condition. This was all done at long range over the fibreglass antenna so I had no concerns about the one on my boat. I would have grave doubts about the competence of your adviser. When the installation is complete get an amateur radio operator to contact anyone at least 1000 miles away for a radio check to make sure you have a good installation and put your mind at rest.
Good luck, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319 Malta

From: Peter Forbes
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Cc: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

Richard,

I finally bough my dream Amel 54 (hull no 35) from an Italian Rudi Peroni in Rhodes last week.

I too am installing Icom 801 SSB. I was told the 2.4m long whip antenna was only for receiving the DSC reply to a distress call and the main antenna for tx/rx should be a separate either triticale or back stay long antenna. Is that not correct.

The Icom 801 is just a marinised version of Icom 802.

Thanks for your help earlier too.

Peter

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
mailto:ppsforbes%40gmail.com

On 28 May 2013, at 03:00, Richard03801 <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 24, 2013, at 9:22, lior 555 <mailto:lior246%40gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior



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Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

Peter Forbes
 

Anne and John,

Thanks so much for that (I am glad the story had a happy outcome.

So it seems the wip antenna does both jobs.

I will tell you how I get on.

This is such a great web group. Thanks for your help.

Peter Forbes
Amel54035
2G006
07836 209730
ppsforbes@gmail.com

On 29 May 2013, at 10:00, "Anne and John Hollamby " <annejohnholl@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Peter, Many years ago I crewed on a yacht doing the ARC and it had an Icom with the fibre glass antenna. When we were half way across the Atlantic Andrew Bishop, who now runs the ARC, was stuck by the gybing boom and knocked unconscious. We got him down below and when the net came on his father called up for medical advice. This was to put him in his bunk and get him checked when we got to Barbados.
A short while later we heard Cornell talking with his office in the UK trying to get media coverage for the ARC’s life saving advice! The skipper, Andrews father, then had to call his wife in the UK over the short wave link to tell her that there was nothing to worry about in case she read something in the press about her son’s alleged perilous medical condition. This was all done at long range over the fibreglass antenna so I had no concerns about the one on my boat. I would have grave doubts about the competence of your adviser. When the installation is complete get an amateur radio operator to contact anyone at least 1000 miles away for a radio check to make sure you have a good installation and put your mind at rest.
The answer to Martins query is that using the port mizzen backstay works very well for my ham radio. Getting the insulators and having them fitted is expensive compared with getting a new base for your existing antenna. In the unlikely event that someone should be holding on to the backstay when someone transmits it would cause a nasty burn.
Good luck, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319 Malta

From: Peter Forbes
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Cc: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

Richard,

I finally bough my dream Amel 54 (hull no 35) from an Italian Rudi Peroni in Rhodes last week.

I too am installing Icom 801 SSB. I was told the 2.4m long whip antenna was only for receiving the DSC reply to a distress call and the main antenna for tx/rx should be a separate either triticale or back stay long antenna. Is that not correct.

The Icom 801 is just a marinised version of Icom 802.

Thanks for your help earlier too.

Peter

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
mailto:ppsforbes%40gmail.com

On 28 May 2013, at 03:00, Richard03801 <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 24, 2013, at 9:22, lior 555 <mailto:lior246%40gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior

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Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Peter, Many years ago I crewed on a yacht doing the ARC and it had an Icom with the fibre glass antenna. When we were half way across the Atlantic Andrew Bishop, who now runs the ARC, was stuck by the gybing boom and knocked unconscious. We got him down below and when the net came on his father called up for medical advice. This was to put him in his bunk and get him checked when we got to Barbados.
A short while later we heard Cornell talking with his office in the UK trying to get media coverage for the ARC’s life saving advice! The skipper, Andrews father, then had to call his wife in the UK over the short wave link to tell her that there was nothing to worry about in case she read something in the press about her son’s alleged perilous medical condition. This was all done at long range over the fibreglass antenna so I had no concerns about the one on my boat. I would have grave doubts about the competence of your adviser. When the installation is complete get an amateur radio operator to contact anyone at least 1000 miles away for a radio check to make sure you have a good installation and put your mind at rest.
The answer to Martins query is that using the port mizzen backstay works very well for my ham radio. Getting the insulators and having them fitted is expensive compared with getting a new base for your existing antenna. In the unlikely event that someone should be holding on to the backstay when someone transmits it would cause a nasty burn.
Good luck, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319 Malta

From: Peter Forbes
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Cc: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54


Richard,

I finally bough my dream Amel 54 (hull no 35) from an Italian Rudi Peroni in Rhodes last week.

I too am installing Icom 801 SSB. I was told the 2.4m long whip antenna was only for receiving the DSC reply to a distress call and the main antenna for tx/rx should be a separate either triticale or back stay long antenna. Is that not correct.

The Icom 801 is just a marinised version of Icom 802.

Thanks for your help earlier too.

Peter

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
mailto:ppsforbes%40gmail.com

On 28 May 2013, at 03:00, Richard03801 <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 24, 2013, at 9:22, lior 555 <mailto:lior246%40gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior

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Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

Anne and John Hollamby <annejohnholl@...>
 

Hello Peter, Many years ago I crewed on a yacht doing the ARC and it had an Icom with the fibre glass antenna. When we were half way across the Atlantic Andrew Bishop, who now runs the ARC, was stuck by the gybing boom and knocked unconscious. We got him down below and when the net came on his father called up for medical advice. This was to put him in his bunk and get him checked when we got to Barbados.
A short while later we heard Cornell talking with his office in the UK trying to get media coverage for the ARC’s life saving advice! The skipper, Andrews father, then had to call his wife in the UK over the short wave link to tell her that there was nothing to worry about in case she read something in the press about her son’s alleged perilous medical condition. This was all done at long range over the fibreglass antenna so I had no concerns about the one on my boat. I would have grave doubts about the competence of your adviser. When the installation is complete get an amateur radio operator to contact anyone at least 1000 miles away for a radio check to make sure you have a good installation and put your mind at rest.
Good luck, Anne and John, Bali Hai, SM2K 319 Malta

From: Peter Forbes
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Cc: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54


Richard,

I finally bough my dream Amel 54 (hull no 35) from an Italian Rudi Peroni in Rhodes last week.

I too am installing Icom 801 SSB. I was told the 2.4m long whip antenna was only for receiving the DSC reply to a distress call and the main antenna for tx/rx should be a separate either triticale or back stay long antenna. Is that not correct.

The Icom 801 is just a marinised version of Icom 802.

Thanks for your help earlier too.

Peter

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
mailto:ppsforbes%40gmail.com

On 28 May 2013, at 03:00, Richard03801 <mailto:richard03801%40yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 24, 2013, at 9:22, lior 555 <mailto:lior246%40gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior



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Re: [Amel] Bow sprit photos

Maria Geiger
 

Thank you so much, interesting job.

Regards,

Maria


Re: [Amel] Re: Joachim--and others--bow sprit photos

Eric Freedman
 

Any questions about the bow sprit please ask.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Super Maramu #376



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/389769876/pic/lis
t







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From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:14 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Joachim--and others--bow sprit photos





Dear Eric,

I Have a cruising chute I fly from one of the bow mooring cleats. A bow
sprit would be much more satisfactory as we take part in all sorts of lower
key races here in Hong Kong. Could I see the pics too or are they posted on
this site?

Graham Boyd
Sula SM 140
Hong Kong
grahamgb44@hotmail.com <mailto:grahamgb44%40hotmail.com>

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Pitugolf Yahoo <pitugolf@...>
wrote:

Hola Eric,

Same here please. Thank you.

Regards

Maria Geiger
Pitugolf at yahoo.com



Le 28 mai 2013 à 15:55, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> a écrit :

Hi Eric,
I'd like to see it, too.
Thanks,
Kent SM 243
karkauai at yahoo dot com

________________________________
From: Alex <uster@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:46 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Joachim--and others--bow sprit photos



Good morning Eric,

On NIKIMAT (SM2K #289) I have a bow spirit and can see the attachment on
the anchor, therefore I can't figure out how the end of the pole is attached
to the boat...
Could you please email me some of the pictures of your boat?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:

I have some photos of the bowsprit that I had fabricated for
Kimberlite.

It is beautiful and works wonderfully. It looks like factory
equipment. If
anyone would like the photos please email me at kimberlite@

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite














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Bow sprit photos

Eric Freedman
 

There are 4 photos posted in the photo section named Kimberlite Bow Sprit





http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/389769876/pic/lis
t



Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Super Maramu #376









_____

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:46 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Re: Joachim--and others--bow sprit photos





Good morning Eric,

On NIKIMAT (SM2K #289) I have a bow spirit and can see the attachment on the
anchor, therefore I can't figure out how the end of the pole is attached to
the boat...
Could you please email me some of the pictures of your boat?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailormon <kimberlite@...>
wrote:


I have some photos of the bowsprit that I had fabricated for Kimberlite.

It is beautiful and works wonderfully. It looks like factory equipment. If
anyone would like the photos please email me at kimberlite@...

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite







Kimberlite Bow sprit

Eric Freedman
 

here 4 photos posted to the hoto section of my bow sprit.
Fair winds
eric
Sm376
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/photos/album/389769876/pic/list


[Amel] Re: Joachim--and others--bow sprit photos

Graham Boyd
 

Dear Eric,

I Have a cruising chute I fly from one of the bow mooring cleats. A bow sprit would be much more satisfactory as we take part in all sorts of lower key races here in Hong Kong. Could I see the pics too or are they posted on this site?

Graham Boyd
Sula SM 140
Hong Kong
grahamgb44@hotmail.com

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Pitugolf Yahoo <pitugolf@...> wrote:

Hola Eric,

Same here please. Thank you.

Regards

Maria Geiger
Pitugolf at yahoo.com



Le 28 mai 2013 à 15:55, Kent Robertson <karkauai@...> a écrit :

Hi Eric,
I'd like to see it, too.
Thanks,
Kent SM 243
karkauai at yahoo dot com

________________________________
From: Alex <uster@...>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:46 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Joachim--and others--bow sprit photos



Good morning Eric,

On NIKIMAT (SM2K #289) I have a bow spirit and can see the attachment on the anchor, therefore I can't figure out how the end of the pole is attached to the boat...
Could you please email me some of the pictures of your boat?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@> wrote:

I have some photos of the bowsprit that I had fabricated for Kimberlite.

It is beautiful and works wonderfully. It looks like factory equipment. If
anyone would like the photos please email me at kimberlite@

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite











Re: [Amel] Re: Venting fresh water system after complete drain down

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

Hi why not simply use an on demand pressure pump??? Easy to install no tank. Long life.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 28, 2013, at 9:42, "Martin" <yachtcaduceus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Thank you for your reply which solved the problem. Filling the pump housing through the vent plug was enough to get the system going.

My delay in replying was due to my wanting to post the identity of the replacement accumulator tank that AMEL supplied to me.

It is a SHURFLO tank and appears in the USA in the West Marine catalogue for 2013 on page 482 as Model 492739 with a price of $324.99.

It has a female fitting unlike our original which was a male fittign but standard adaptors bridged the difference. The top plate requires drilling for the Reya pump. I also had to replace the rubber mountings and the ones supplied by AMEL had a larger thread so the mounting plates required drilling and tapping to take the replacements.

The new tank works well except that the pressure has to drop right off before the pumop cuts in. Any advice on how to adjust the pressure cutout?

Regards,
Martin
Caduceus
Amel 54 - 56
Norfolk, VA, USA

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:

Martin,
I forgot to mention that if you have a Reja pump, you most likely will have to prime it. Take off the hose from the fresh water reservoir and fill it with water, there used to be a bleed bolt on the top of the pump that you need to loosen until the water is free flowing from the reservoir.
Good luck.
T

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <yachtcaduceus@> wrote:

I have searched the postings and not been able to find an answer so sorry if this is a repeat request.

After leaving the boat in Norfolk, Virginia, USA for 6 months we are up to our ears in antifopuling, polishing etc prior to relaunch. I have in the midst of this fitted a replacement accumulator tank to the system. The original had rusted and was leaking air.

Note for fellow travellers, the replacement supplied by AMEL comes in Shurflo packaging. Made in Italy, shipped to the USA, back to France and then sent to us in the USA. If anyone is interested I will post the Shurflo model number, just do not have it to hand whilst writing this. Also note that the original (Amel 54 no 56) had a male fitting and the replacement has a female fitting so adapters are required.

I have now put the whole thing back together and am not sure how to bleed the air out of the system. We also have an empty hot water tank as the boat had been winterised before I carried this out so there is a lot of air in the syatem.

Grateful for any advice please.

Martin Bevan
Caduceus
Amel 54 No 56
Norfolk, Virginia, USA


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Re: [Amel] Re: Joachim--and others--bow sprit photos

Maria Geiger
 

Hola Eric,

Same here please. Thank you.

Regards

Maria Geiger
Pitugolf at yahoo.com



Le 28 mai 2013 à 15:55, Kent Robertson <karkauai@yahoo.com> a écrit :

Hi Eric,
I'd like to see it, too.
Thanks,
Kent SM 243
karkauai at yahoo dot com

________________________________
From: Alex <uster@rocketmail.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:46 AM
Subject: [Amel] Re: Joachim--and others--bow sprit photos



Good morning Eric,

On NIKIMAT (SM2K #289) I have a bow spirit and can see the attachment on the anchor, therefore I can't figure out how the end of the pole is attached to the boat...
Could you please email me some of the pictures of your boat?

Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Sailormon <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I have some photos of the bowsprit that I had fabricated for Kimberlite.

It is beautiful and works wonderfully. It looks like factory equipment. If
anyone would like the photos please email me at kimberlite@...

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite






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Re: Venting fresh water system after complete drain down

Mark Erdos
 

"It is a SHURFLO tank and appears in the USA in the West Marine catalogue for 2013 on page 482 as Model 492739 with a price of $324.99."

AVAILABLE from Camping World for $219.
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/shurflo-2-gallon-stainless-steel-tank/14747

West Marine is very proud of their merchandise. One Google search will save a minimum of 30%.

Mark
Cream Puff
SM2K #275
www.creampuff.us

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <yachtcaduceus@...> wrote:

Thank you for your reply which solved the problem. Filling the pump housing through the vent plug was enough to get the system going.

My delay in replying was due to my wanting to post the identity of the replacement accumulator tank that AMEL supplied to me.

It is a SHURFLO tank and appears in the USA in the West Marine catalogue for 2013 on page 482 as Model 492739 with a price of $324.99.

It has a female fitting unlike our original which was a male fittign but standard adaptors bridged the difference. The top plate requires drilling for the Reya pump. I also had to replace the rubber mountings and the ones supplied by AMEL had a larger thread so the mounting plates required drilling and tapping to take the replacements.

The new tank works well except that the pressure has to drop right off before the pumop cuts in. Any advice on how to adjust the pressure cutout?

Regards,
Martin
Caduceus
Amel 54 - 56
Norfolk, VA, USA

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@> wrote:

Martin,
I forgot to mention that if you have a Reja pump, you most likely will have to prime it. Take off the hose from the fresh water reservoir and fill it with water, there used to be a bleed bolt on the top of the pump that you need to loosen until the water is free flowing from the reservoir.
Good luck.
T

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <yachtcaduceus@> wrote:

I have searched the postings and not been able to find an answer so sorry if this is a repeat request.

After leaving the boat in Norfolk, Virginia, USA for 6 months we are up to our ears in antifopuling, polishing etc prior to relaunch. I have in the midst of this fitted a replacement accumulator tank to the system. The original had rusted and was leaking air.

Note for fellow travellers, the replacement supplied by AMEL comes in Shurflo packaging. Made in Italy, shipped to the USA, back to France and then sent to us in the USA. If anyone is interested I will post the Shurflo model number, just do not have it to hand whilst writing this. Also note that the original (Amel 54 no 56) had a male fitting and the replacement has a female fitting so adapters are required.

I have now put the whole thing back together and am not sure how to bleed the air out of the system. We also have an empty hot water tank as the boat had been winterised before I carried this out so there is a lot of air in the syatem.

Grateful for any advice please.

Martin Bevan
Caduceus
Amel 54 No 56
Norfolk, Virginia, USA


Re: [Amel] SSB installation on Amel 54

Peter Forbes
 

Richard,

I finally bough my dream Amel 54 (hull no 35) from an Italian Rudi Peroni in Rhodes last week.

I too am installing Icom 801 SSB. I was told the 2.4m long whip antenna was only for receiving the DSC reply to a distress call and the main antenna for tx/rx should be a separate either triticale or back stay long antenna. Is that not correct.

The Icom 801 is just a marinised version of Icom 802.

Thanks for your help earlier too.

Peter

Peter Forbes

07836 209730
ppsforbes@gmail.com

On 28 May 2013, at 03:00, Richard03801 <richard03801@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi you need to mount the tuner in starboard stern so you can get to the ground foil. Best to use the whip Antenna. Next the back stay. Using the triact means running a very long wire = lost power and poor reception.

Regards
Richard Piller

Cell 603 767 5330

On May 24, 2013, at 9:22, lior 555 <lior246@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

I bought an ICOM M802 with tuner AT-140, Pactor modem and I would like to
install it on the boat.
Maybe someone could help me with a few questions.
I would like to use the antenna between the mizzen and main mast. Would you
advice it?
Can someone tell me where I should place the tuner and where is the best
place to install the main unit?

Thanks in advance for your help
Lior

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