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Re: [Amel] Clothes washer issue on SM 391

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Mike

This could also be useful for others on the site later on. Try adding it to
the file here
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amelyachtowners/files/Thomson%20Washer-Dryer%20Manuals/
or
send it to me at colin.d.streeter@... and I will upload it for future
reference for the group.
Many thanks
Colin
Island Pearl II #332


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 10:37 PM, mike.k.johnson@... <
mike.k.johnson@...> wrote:

**




Hi Jean & John,

We have a pdf version of the Elco Barndt L10 Evolution Technical Training
Manual (as fitted to our SM2000 hull 461).

If you would like me to send you a copy or post on the website send me an
email.

Best wishes

Mike

SOLITUDE

SM2K 461


--- In amelyachtowners@..., johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:



Hi Jean,

That would be very helpfull, could you please send me both manuals to my
email address. The address is notrevie123@...

Thanks very much

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Jean Boucharlat"
<jean.boucharlat@> wrote:

To : John Abercrombie



I do have, in Pdf format, two owners manuals for your Australe. One is
in
English, and fairly simple, the other in French, much more detailed
and with
many more drawings of the innards of the beast. This being said they
are
owners manuals and not shop manuals. If one or the other, or both, can
be of
help let me know your email address and I'll be glad to send them.



Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of johnabo2003
Sent: jeudi 6 juin 2013 02:29
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Clothes washer issue on SM 391





Our Thomson Australe washer is acting up. It will run thru the agitate
cycle
and half of the rinse cycle, it will then stop and flash between the
rinse
and stop lights. I have cleaned out the lint filter and also opened up
the
pump cover and shop vac'd out the pump area. I can see no blockages on
the
drain side and I think I can hear the pump running on the drain cycle.
If I
switch the machine straight to the spin cycle I can hear the pump run
but
again the drum will not start on the spin cycle and the spin light and
stop
light will both flash.

Does anybody have a copy of the Thompson Australe shop service manual?
I am
sure this is a minor problem that could easily be diagnosed with a good
manual.

thx
John Abercrombie SM #391









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*0411 016 445*


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Re: [Amel] Clothes washer issue on SM 391

Mike Johnson
 

Hi Jean & John,

We have a pdf version of the Elco Barndt L10 Evolution Technical Training Manual (as fitted to our SM2000 hull 461).

If you would like me to send you a copy or post on the website send me an email.

Best wishes

Mike

SOLITUDE

SM2K 461

--- In amelyachtowners@..., johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:



Hi Jean,

That would be very helpfull, could you please send me both manuals to my email address. The address is notrevie123@...

Thanks very much

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Jean Boucharlat" <jean.boucharlat@> wrote:

To : John Abercrombie



I do have, in Pdf format, two owners manuals for your Australe. One is in
English, and fairly simple, the other in French, much more detailed and with
many more drawings of the innards of the beast. This being said they are
owners manuals and not shop manuals. If one or the other, or both, can be of
help let me know your email address and I'll be glad to send them.



Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232



From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of johnabo2003
Sent: jeudi 6 juin 2013 02:29
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Clothes washer issue on SM 391





Our Thomson Australe washer is acting up. It will run thru the agitate cycle
and half of the rinse cycle, it will then stop and flash between the rinse
and stop lights. I have cleaned out the lint filter and also opened up the
pump cover and shop vac'd out the pump area. I can see no blockages on the
drain side and I think I can hear the pump running on the drain cycle. If I
switch the machine straight to the spin cycle I can hear the pump run but
again the drum will not start on the spin cycle and the spin light and stop
light will both flash.

Does anybody have a copy of the Thompson Australe shop service manual? I am
sure this is a minor problem that could easily be diagnosed with a good
manual.

thx
John Abercrombie SM #391







Re: Clothes washer issue on SM 391

drew_gaffney <drew.gaffney@...>
 

The previous owner had ordered it from Amel. It came a few months after we bought the boat. It was incredibly expensive. There are previous posts on substitutes, but so far, ours has worked well. We think it a good machine and anywhere the French have colonized at some point, there are repair services. The manual has been very helpful.
Drew
Revelation SM390

--- In amelyachtowners@..., johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:

will take a look. thx very much. where did you buy the new machine?

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Gaffney, Drew" <drew.gaffney@> wrote:

Hi,
We replaced the Thompson-Brandt washer on Revelation SM390 with a newer version in 2006. The shop/repair manual is in the file section of the Amel web site: SM Brandt-thomson Washer tech Manual.pdf. It includes BIST routines that are helpful for identifying errors. The drawings are quite useful as well.
Drew
Revelation SM390


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Re: 175 amp alternator on SM-burned up battery bank.

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Eric,

The batteries used in trucks are generally starting batteries, not deep cycle batteries and that is the difference in charging regimes.

Most, if not all, battery manufacturers will tell you that charging starting batteries is best done with a standard internally regulated alternator (like on your Amel, there is a separate 12V alternator) for charging the 12V starting battery at 14.4 volts and the starting battery is very happy.

Most, if not all, battery manufacturers will tell you that charging deep cycle batteries is a completely different matter. They generally recommend a 3 stage(aka SMART) charger that takes the batteries through a bulk phase, absorption phase and then a float phase as previously described. This maximises the charging of the batteries in the shortest possible time and helps to ensure longevity.

This is a good primer on deep cycle batteries :

http://www.solar-electric.com/deep-cycle-battery-faq.html#Battery Charging

I have had this experience on a previous boat where the 100A alternator was drying out the batteries as they were always kept at the absorption voltage. Removing the internal reg and adding a 3 stage reg, new batteries and the problem went away...

That's why I'm going to do the same with this one.

Leaving the boat hooked to shore power shouldn't harm the batteries PROVIDING there is no fault with the charger....it should charge them up and then go to float or maintenance phase and just stay there.

If your charger is faulty then indeed that could kill the batteries.

Best of luck with it all
Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM437

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I saw on my spare 175 amp alternator that is has a label stating for use on
Cummins diesels.

Cummins diesels are used in commercial trucks and power plants. My
alternator fellow ( second generation) says that a constant output of 28.5
volts is not a problem as trucks run for days and power plants work for
months without burning up their battery banks.



I will stick with Amels original idea of the stock alternator. As I
previously said, I had no problem with it for 4 years and I motored a lot. I
believe my problem is the charger.



I get new batteries Monday and will keep you posted. I also leave the boat
hooked into shore power for weeks at a time some times. I believe that was
part of my problem. I am discontinuing this practice.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of seafeverofcuan
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: 175 amp alternator on SM-burned up battery bank.





Dear Alan and Richard,
Thank you both for you help. I now have a reply from Dolphin stating that my
original chargers are fine but suggesting that things have moved on and
promoting their Dolphin Pro series!
Specification and information on Leece Neville alternator regulator model
8RL 3021 has proven impossible to find other than the manufacturer upgraded
them from 2006 to stop customers self adjusting them.
In the final analysis I am always reluctant to change anything that was
designed and fitted by Amel. I think that Richard is correct with upgrading
to a smart charger when availability finances allow and replacing with lead
acid batteries.
Kind regards,
Trevor

Sea Fever
SM 425
Mexico

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k"
<divanz620@> wrote:

Hi Trevor,

At 28.1-28.6V you are probably OK...its when it stays at 28.8V for days
that I think there is a problem re gassing the batteries and ultimately
battery failure
But WHY your alt puts out 28.1-28.6V is a bit of a mystery when the
standard internal reg is set for 28.8

The Dolphin chargers re SMART chargers, I don't know why the 30 and 100 A
docs would be different...its really a case of whether or not the charger
can keep up with the load imposed on it.

As to why Amel didn't buy an externally regulated alt to put in the
Maramus...well...my only thought is that they didn't understand well how
batteries need to be charged

BUT, having said that, the system we have is perfectly OK..UNLESS we motor
for long periods...like I did..54 hours last week.

I don't agree that it's a "black art"..I think that there is a lot of
"bad" information out there.

I have more than 15 years experience with different alternators, chargers,
batteries, in different boats and I think I understand the best way to do
it...and that is DEFINITELY NOT to have a 28.8V internal reg in the
alternator !

Hence I am trying to find a way to externally reg this 175A beast that we
have, properly !

Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM#437

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "seafeverofcuan"
<seafeverofcuan@> wrote:


Hi Eric,
I was hoping that you would post your findings re. you alternator. We
are now at the bottom of The Sea of Cortez and hope to get some good
technical help in Mazatlan next week. For now we are running on four
remaining house batteries. The alternator has been putting out between 28.1
volts to 28.6 volts the remaining batteries have not overheated.
I have the original Dolphin instruction paperwork from 2004. The 30amp
charger should boost at 27.7 volts and float at 26.5, the 100amp boost 28.8
and float at 27.2.
However both pieces of paper ( and that is literally what came with the
boat) state

"The charger system will revert to boost when the battery system
requirements equal 50% of the charger rated output"

My reading of this is that in our case with twelve house batteries
giving 630 amps at 24 volts then the 30 amp reverts to boost when the
batteries drop below 97% of total capacity.

My 30amp charger now only produces 27.3 volts, I have asked Reya for
advice and haven't had a reply as yet.
I suspect the answer lies in a total replacement of both chargers with a
smart charger and of course a new set of batteries. From everything that I
have been reading, common sense would indicate AGM and completely disconnect
them when leaving the boat for long periods.
The entire subject is a black art and I suspect in my case choices will
be heavily influenced by what is available in Mexico.
Best regards,
Trevor
Sea Fever





--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailorman <kimberlite@> wrote:

I had my alternator checked at a very excellent alternator shop and
the
owner showed me what happens as it runs. There is no internal
regulation.
However he said as the battery becomes more charged the resistance of
the
bank increases and the alternator puts out less and less amps . It has
a
constant output of about 28.5 volts. He said the Balmar smart
regulator is a
waste of money -and he sells them.





I had no problems with this alternator with my first set of batteries
for 4
years. I only changed the batteries after a lightning strike.



My current burned out battery bank must have been caused by the
charger. I
will test it when I get my new batteries next week.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite




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Top-Bottom Hight of Santorin / Maramu 46 - Removable Hard dodger ?

Dr Jörg Steffen <joerg.steffen@...>
 

Good morning Amel owners,
as you know from my older post I am going to buy an older AMEL for a refit an land.
For this reason I have to do a land transport via the highways with bridge hights of 4,50m.
I send a mail request to amel@... to get the measurement of the santorin but til now got no answer.

Is this the famous aftersale service of amel or just the wrong mail adress ?

Do you know the height of the complete hull ??

Is the hard dodger of santorin removable ?

Many thanks !

Jrg Steffen


Re: [Amel] Comfort in NYC winter - old Maramu

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Hi Ross
I belive that the SM is similar with the Maramu, considering, insulation of the hull. We lived abord our SM for two years in South of Sweden before we left for our long time sailing. Those two winters where the coldest for twenty years! For two-three months we hade 30 cm of ice around the boat.
We used only the dieselheater. Our electrical backup heaters was unused.

We didn,t have any problems with freezing toilets or bilge. The only problem was that it got damp inside the cabinetts, so we hade to keep all the doors open to let the warm air in.

Regards
Annsofie
SM 232, Lady Annila

Skickat från min iPad

6 jun 2013 kl. 03:51 skrev "rossny@..." <rossny@...>:

Hi All, I am thinking of staying aboard my boat in NY harbor this winter. The built in diesel heater needs to be rebuilt and the fans replaced but I think I can bring it back to it's 1989 original system. That said... all my Maramu has is some foam backed vinyl and carpeting glued to the hull for insulation, in your experience will that be enough? or will I have to insulate for the northern winter. Also will the 3" ducting running throughout have adequate volume of air exchange to avoid the icing that I've seen on other heated boats during the winter? Will I need backup electric heaters? Any experience in how cold it needs to be to freeze the bilge and the toilets? Thanks again, Ross Maramu #251 1989


175 amp alternator on SM-burned up battery bank.

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

I saw on my spare 175 amp alternator that is has a label stating for use on
Cummins diesels.

Cummins diesels are used in commercial trucks and power plants. My
alternator fellow ( second generation) says that a constant output of 28.5
volts is not a problem as trucks run for days and power plants work for
months without burning up their battery banks.



I will stick with Amels original idea of the stock alternator. As I
previously said, I had no problem with it for 4 years and I motored a lot. I
believe my problem is the charger.



I get new batteries Monday and will keep you posted. I also leave the boat
hooked into shore power for weeks at a time some times. I believe that was
part of my problem. I am discontinuing this practice.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





_____

From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of seafeverofcuan
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Re: 175 amp alternator on SM-burned up battery bank.





Dear Alan and Richard,
Thank you both for you help. I now have a reply from Dolphin stating that my
original chargers are fine but suggesting that things have moved on and
promoting their Dolphin Pro series!
Specification and information on Leece Neville alternator regulator model
8RL 3021 has proven impossible to find other than the manufacturer upgraded
them from 2006 to stop customers self adjusting them.
In the final analysis I am always reluctant to change anything that was
designed and fitted by Amel. I think that Richard is correct with upgrading
to a smart charger when availability finances allow and replacing with lead
acid batteries.
Kind regards,
Trevor

Sea Fever
SM 425
Mexico

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k"
<divanz620@...> wrote:

Hi Trevor,

At 28.1-28.6V you are probably OK...its when it stays at 28.8V for days
that I think there is a problem re gassing the batteries and ultimately
battery failure
But WHY your alt puts out 28.1-28.6V is a bit of a mystery when the
standard internal reg is set for 28.8

The Dolphin chargers re SMART chargers, I don't know why the 30 and 100 A
docs would be different...its really a case of whether or not the charger
can keep up with the load imposed on it.

As to why Amel didn't buy an externally regulated alt to put in the
Maramus...well...my only thought is that they didn't understand well how
batteries need to be charged

BUT, having said that, the system we have is perfectly OK..UNLESS we motor
for long periods...like I did..54 hours last week.

I don't agree that it's a "black art"..I think that there is a lot of
"bad" information out there.

I have more than 15 years experience with different alternators, chargers,
batteries, in different boats and I think I understand the best way to do
it...and that is DEFINITELY NOT to have a 28.8V internal reg in the
alternator !

Hence I am trying to find a way to externally reg this 175A beast that we
have, properly !

Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM#437

--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , "seafeverofcuan"
<seafeverofcuan@> wrote:


Hi Eric,
I was hoping that you would post your findings re. you alternator. We
are now at the bottom of The Sea of Cortez and hope to get some good
technical help in Mazatlan next week. For now we are running on four
remaining house batteries. The alternator has been putting out between 28.1
volts to 28.6 volts the remaining batteries have not overheated.
I have the original Dolphin instruction paperwork from 2004. The 30amp
charger should boost at 27.7 volts and float at 26.5, the 100amp boost 28.8
and float at 27.2.
However both pieces of paper ( and that is literally what came with the
boat) state

"The charger system will revert to boost when the battery system
requirements equal 50% of the charger rated output"

My reading of this is that in our case with twelve house batteries
giving 630 amps at 24 volts then the 30 amp reverts to boost when the
batteries drop below 97% of total capacity.

My 30amp charger now only produces 27.3 volts, I have asked Reya for
advice and haven't had a reply as yet.
I suspect the answer lies in a total replacement of both chargers with a
smart charger and of course a new set of batteries. From everything that I
have been reading, common sense would indicate AGM and completely disconnect
them when leaving the boat for long periods.
The entire subject is a black art and I suspect in my case choices will
be heavily influenced by what is available in Mexico.
Best regards,
Trevor
Sea Fever





--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailorman <kimberlite@> wrote:

I had my alternator checked at a very excellent alternator shop and
the
owner showed me what happens as it runs. There is no internal
regulation.
However he said as the battery becomes more charged the resistance of
the
bank increases and the alternator puts out less and less amps . It has
a
constant output of about 28.5 volts. He said the Balmar smart
regulator is a
waste of money -and he sells them.





I had no problems with this alternator with my first set of batteries
for 4
years. I only changed the batteries after a lightning strike.



My current burned out battery bank must have been caused by the
charger. I
will test it when I get my new batteries next week.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite




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Re: [Amel] VHF Antenna on Amel 54

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

The electronic connections are standard worldwide.

You should have no problem getting an antenna or a new cable.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite







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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 5:38 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] VHF Antenna on Amel 54





We appear to have three VHF antenna. A long one and one slightly shorter on
the main and a long one on the mizzen. These are, I understand for teh VHF
radio, the entertainment radio and the AIS system.

We have had an on goig problem with the VHF antenna which I believe to be a
failed antenna whip, or a join to the same at the mast head, everything else
checks out. Swap the AIS and VHF coaxes at he chart table and we get great
VHF but poor AIS reception and vice versa.

Can anyone help with the spec of the VHF antenna and if there is a coupling
in the cable at the mast head. I suspect that the antenna is 3 foot (1
metre?) into a threaded base. We are in the USA and of course the coupling
is likely to be metric which is not readily available here. I am therefore
looking at replacing the base and antenna and anyone with experience of this
replacement would be very helpful.

Regards,
Martin Bevan
Amel 54 #56
Caduceus
Near Annapolis, MD, USA




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Re: [Amel] Comfort in NYC winter - old Maramu

Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
 

Ross,

Had you thought of a winter slip at the Huntington Yacht club?

Great Hurricane hole, Ice eaters, and dock staff all winter. I live in
Northport.

A few people have lived aboard at the club in years past.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite







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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of rossny@...
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel] Comfort in NYC winter - old Maramu






Hello Eric,
I was thinking of leaving the boat at the Worlds Fair Marina, near where I
work in Flushing. Do you liveaboard in Huntington Harbor during the summer?
Have you ever stayed the winter aboard up here? My boat is still in Florida
where it might be safer than up in NY during hurricane season.
Thanks,
Ross
--- In amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> , Sailorman <kimberlite@...>
wrote:

Hi Ross,

Where are you located?

I am in Huntington

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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[mailto:amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of rossny@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 8:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
<mailto:amelyachtowners%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Amel] Comfort in NYC winter - old Maramu





Hi All, I am thinking of staying aboard my boat in NY harbor this winter.
The built in diesel heater needs to be rebuilt and the fans replaced but I
think I can bring it back to it's 1989 original system. That said... all
my
Maramu has is some foam backed vinyl and carpeting glued to the hull for
insulation, in your experience will that be enough? or will I have to
insulate for the northern winter. Also will the 3" ducting running
throughout have adequate volume of air exchange to avoid the icing that
I've
seen on other heated boats during the winter? Will I need backup electric
heaters? Any experience in how cold it needs to be to freeze the bilge and
the toilets? Thanks again, Ross Maramu #251 1989




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VHF Antenna on Amel 54

Martin <yachtcaduceus@...>
 

We appear to have three VHF antenna. A long one and one slightly shorter on the main and a long one on the mizzen. These are, I understand for teh VHF radio, the entertainment radio and the AIS system.

We have had an on goig problem with the VHF antenna which I believe to be a failed antenna whip, or a join to the same at the mast head, everything else checks out. Swap the AIS and VHF coaxes at he chart table and we get great VHF but poor AIS reception and vice versa.

Can anyone help with the spec of the VHF antenna and if there is a coupling in the cable at the mast head. I suspect that the antenna is 3 foot (1 metre?) into a threaded base. We are in the USA and of course the coupling is likely to be metric which is not readily available here. I am therefore looking at replacing the base and antenna and anyone with experience of this replacement would be very helpful.

Regards,
Martin Bevan
Amel 54 #56
Caduceus
Near Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Domestic Water pressure switch.

Martin <yachtcaduceus@...>
 

Thank you for this very useful information I will try thee adjustments as soon as I can.

Regards,
Martin
Caduceus
Amel 54 #56
Currently near Annapolis


Re: [Amel] Comfort in NYC winter - old Maramu

rossny@mail.com
 

Hello Eric,
I was thinking of leaving the boat at the Worlds Fair Marina, near where I work in Flushing. Do you liveaboard in Huntington Harbor during the summer? Have you ever stayed the winter aboard up here? My boat is still in Florida where it might be safer than up in NY during hurricane season.
Thanks,
Ross

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailorman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Ross,

Where are you located?

I am in Huntington

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite





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From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of rossny@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 8:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel] Comfort in NYC winter - old Maramu





Hi All, I am thinking of staying aboard my boat in NY harbor this winter.
The built in diesel heater needs to be rebuilt and the fans replaced but I
think I can bring it back to it's 1989 original system. That said... all my
Maramu has is some foam backed vinyl and carpeting glued to the hull for
insulation, in your experience will that be enough? or will I have to
insulate for the northern winter. Also will the 3" ducting running
throughout have adequate volume of air exchange to avoid the icing that I've
seen on other heated boats during the winter? Will I need backup electric
heaters? Any experience in how cold it needs to be to freeze the bilge and
the toilets? Thanks again, Ross Maramu #251 1989




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Re: 175 amp alternator on SM-burned up battery bank.

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

I have the specs and part numbers of the 175amp alternator and the internal regulator, plus a drawing from Leece Neville on how to convert the alternator to an external regulated alternator. I also have a new-in-the-box smart regulator including temp sensors for the batteries and the alternator.

If anyone is interested in any or all of this, email me at bill"at"svbebe.com.

Bill

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@...> wrote:

Dear Alan and Richard,
Thank you both for you help. I now have a reply from Dolphin stating that my original chargers are fine but suggesting that things have moved on and promoting their Dolphin Pro series!
Specification and information on Leece Neville alternator regulator model 8RL 3021 has proven impossible to find other than the manufacturer upgraded them from 2006 to stop customers self adjusting them.
In the final analysis I am always reluctant to change anything that was designed and fitted by Amel. I think that Richard is correct with upgrading to a smart charger when availability finances allow and replacing with lead acid batteries.
Kind regards,
Trevor

Sea Fever
SM 425
Mexico

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k" <divanz620@> wrote:

Hi Trevor,

At 28.1-28.6V you are probably OK...its when it stays at 28.8V for days that I think there is a problem re gassing the batteries and ultimately battery failure
But WHY your alt puts out 28.1-28.6V is a bit of a mystery when the standard internal reg is set for 28.8

The Dolphin chargers re SMART chargers, I don't know why the 30 and 100 A docs would be different...its really a case of whether or not the charger can keep up with the load imposed on it.

As to why Amel didn't buy an externally regulated alt to put in the Maramus...well...my only thought is that they didn't understand well how batteries need to be charged

BUT, having said that, the system we have is perfectly OK..UNLESS we motor for long periods...like I did..54 hours last week.

I don't agree that it's a "black art"..I think that there is a lot of "bad" information out there.

I have more than 15 years experience with different alternators, chargers, batteries, in different boats and I think I understand the best way to do it...and that is DEFINITELY NOT to have a 28.8V internal reg in the alternator !

Hence I am trying to find a way to externally reg this 175A beast that we have, properly !

Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM#437

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@> wrote:


Hi Eric,
I was hoping that you would post your findings re. you alternator. We are now at the bottom of The Sea of Cortez and hope to get some good technical help in Mazatlan next week. For now we are running on four remaining house batteries. The alternator has been putting out between 28.1 volts to 28.6 volts the remaining batteries have not overheated.
I have the original Dolphin instruction paperwork from 2004. The 30amp charger should boost at 27.7 volts and float at 26.5, the 100amp boost 28.8 and float at 27.2.
However both pieces of paper ( and that is literally what came with the boat) state

"The charger system will revert to boost when the battery system requirements equal 50% of the charger rated output"

My reading of this is that in our case with twelve house batteries giving 630 amps at 24 volts then the 30 amp reverts to boost when the batteries drop below 97% of total capacity.

My 30amp charger now only produces 27.3 volts, I have asked Reya for advice and haven't had a reply as yet.
I suspect the answer lies in a total replacement of both chargers with a smart charger and of course a new set of batteries. From everything that I have been reading, common sense would indicate AGM and completely disconnect them when leaving the boat for long periods.
The entire subject is a black art and I suspect in my case choices will be heavily influenced by what is available in Mexico.
Best regards,
Trevor
Sea Fever





--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailorman <kimberlite@> wrote:

I had my alternator checked at a very excellent alternator shop and the
owner showed me what happens as it runs. There is no internal regulation.
However he said as the battery becomes more charged the resistance of the
bank increases and the alternator puts out less and less amps . It has a
constant output of about 28.5 volts. He said the Balmar smart regulator is a
waste of money -and he sells them.





I had no problems with this alternator with my first set of batteries for 4
years. I only changed the batteries after a lightning strike.



My current burned out battery bank must have been caused by the charger. I
will test it when I get my new batteries next week.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite




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Re: Clothes washer issue on SM 391

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

will take a look. thx very much. where did you buy the new machine?

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Gaffney, Drew" <drew.gaffney@...> wrote:

Hi,
We replaced the Thompson-Brandt washer on Revelation SM390 with a newer version in 2006. The shop/repair manual is in the file section of the Amel web site: SM Brandt-thomson Washer tech Manual.pdf. It includes BIST routines that are helpful for identifying errors. The drawings are quite useful as well.
Drew
Revelation SM390


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Re: Clothes washer issue on SM 391

Gaffney, Drew <drew.gaffney@...>
 

Hi,
We replaced the Thompson-Brandt washer on Revelation SM390 with a newer version in 2006. The shop/repair manual is in the file section of the Amel web site: SM Brandt-thomson Washer tech Manual.pdf. It includes BIST routines that are helpful for identifying errors. The drawings are quite useful as well.
Drew
Revelation SM390


Re: [Amel] Re: Eberspacher heater

Joachim
 

Hallo
ich habe die Anleitung ins Sharki Forum gestellt kannst sie dort downloaden
LG
Joachim

Sent from my iphone J Schäfer

Am 05.06.2013 um 15:27 schrieb "Andy" <allezaubon@...>:


Hallo Joachim,

Ich haette auch gerne die Anleitung wenn moeglich.

Besten Dank Im Voraus

LG

Andy
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Joachim Schäfer <shivajogi@...> wrote:

Hallo Dieter

hier die Anleitung !!!

wo läßt du den Motor überholen ? Meiner hat 5100 h und läuft prima ohne Ölverlust am Kurbelwellenausgang könnte aber ach kommen

LG
Joachim




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Von: INUS - BUSCH <inusbusch@...>
An: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Gesendet: 12:34 Dienstag, 4.Juni 2013
Betreff: Re: [Amel] Re: Eberspacher heater




Hallo Joachim,

an dem trouble shooting manual bin ich auch interessiert. und Danke für deine Telnr, hab sie mir
notiert. Im Moment brauche ich keine Motortipps, weil der Perkins seit gestern draußen ist.
Mfg
Dieter

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Von: shivajogi <shivajogi@...>
An: amelyachtowners@...
Gesendet: 12:07 Dienstag, 4.Juni 2013
Betreff: [Amel] Re: Eberspacher heater



Hy Shea
if have an original fron Ebersbächer trouble shooting manual in german
if you give me your E-Mail Adress i can scan it and send it to you.
it has help me to repair my by my self and now it works fantastik

regads
Joachim

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "Gregory Shea" <gmshea@> wrote:

My Sharki has a non-working Eberspacher heater. I am in the west of Provence and have heard various stories including taking it out of the boat and sending it to Germany. Does anyone have any experience in getting that sort of thing done in the western Med. I have the phone number of the agent in Paris but before I took that route, I was wondering if anyone had encountered this problem in this part of the world? The previous owner said it was the fuel pump and it seems to me that if I could get my hands on one I could switch it out, if I could return it if that was not the problem


Greg Shea
Cap des Isles Sharki 133.
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Re: 175 amp alternator on SM-burned up battery bank.

seafeverofcuan <seafeverofcuan@...>
 

Dear Alan and Richard,
Thank you both for you help. I now have a reply from Dolphin stating that my original chargers are fine but suggesting that things have moved on and promoting their Dolphin Pro series!
Specification and information on Leece Neville alternator regulator model 8RL 3021 has proven impossible to find other than the manufacturer upgraded them from 2006 to stop customers self adjusting them.
In the final analysis I am always reluctant to change anything that was designed and fitted by Amel. I think that Richard is correct with upgrading to a smart charger when availability finances allow and replacing with lead acid batteries.
Kind regards,
Trevor

Sea Fever
SM 425
Mexico

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "alan_leslie_elyes_sm2k" <divanz620@...> wrote:

Hi Trevor,

At 28.1-28.6V you are probably OK...its when it stays at 28.8V for days that I think there is a problem re gassing the batteries and ultimately battery failure
But WHY your alt puts out 28.1-28.6V is a bit of a mystery when the standard internal reg is set for 28.8

The Dolphin chargers re SMART chargers, I don't know why the 30 and 100 A docs would be different...its really a case of whether or not the charger can keep up with the load imposed on it.

As to why Amel didn't buy an externally regulated alt to put in the Maramus...well...my only thought is that they didn't understand well how batteries need to be charged

BUT, having said that, the system we have is perfectly OK..UNLESS we motor for long periods...like I did..54 hours last week.

I don't agree that it's a "black art"..I think that there is a lot of "bad" information out there.

I have more than 15 years experience with different alternators, chargers, batteries, in different boats and I think I understand the best way to do it...and that is DEFINITELY NOT to have a 28.8V internal reg in the alternator !

Hence I am trying to find a way to externally reg this 175A beast that we have, properly !

Cheers
Alan
Elyse
SM#437

--- In amelyachtowners@..., "seafeverofcuan" <seafeverofcuan@> wrote:


Hi Eric,
I was hoping that you would post your findings re. you alternator. We are now at the bottom of The Sea of Cortez and hope to get some good technical help in Mazatlan next week. For now we are running on four remaining house batteries. The alternator has been putting out between 28.1 volts to 28.6 volts the remaining batteries have not overheated.
I have the original Dolphin instruction paperwork from 2004. The 30amp charger should boost at 27.7 volts and float at 26.5, the 100amp boost 28.8 and float at 27.2.
However both pieces of paper ( and that is literally what came with the boat) state

"The charger system will revert to boost when the battery system requirements equal 50% of the charger rated output"

My reading of this is that in our case with twelve house batteries giving 630 amps at 24 volts then the 30 amp reverts to boost when the batteries drop below 97% of total capacity.

My 30amp charger now only produces 27.3 volts, I have asked Reya for advice and haven't had a reply as yet.
I suspect the answer lies in a total replacement of both chargers with a smart charger and of course a new set of batteries. From everything that I have been reading, common sense would indicate AGM and completely disconnect them when leaving the boat for long periods.
The entire subject is a black art and I suspect in my case choices will be heavily influenced by what is available in Mexico.
Best regards,
Trevor
Sea Fever





--- In amelyachtowners@..., Sailorman <kimberlite@> wrote:

I had my alternator checked at a very excellent alternator shop and the
owner showed me what happens as it runs. There is no internal regulation.
However he said as the battery becomes more charged the resistance of the
bank increases and the alternator puts out less and less amps . It has a
constant output of about 28.5 volts. He said the Balmar smart regulator is a
waste of money -and he sells them.





I had no problems with this alternator with my first set of batteries for 4
years. I only changed the batteries after a lightning strike.



My current burned out battery bank must have been caused by the charger. I
will test it when I get my new batteries next week.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite




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Re: [Amel] Amel 54 shore power/water heater problem

Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...>
 

Thank you all - I am now convinced the element has indeed gone.....I've tested it with a multimeter and that had confirmed it.

Thanks again,

Tony Robinson.



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From: Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel 54 shore power/water heater problem



 

It works fine with the generator becausenyou do not have an earth connection to trigger a ground fault.

Bill
--- In amelyachtowners@..., Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...> wrote:

But how would that explain that the water heater works fine when powered by the generator ?

Tony Robinson



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From: Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel 54 shore power/water heater problem



 
My guess would be that your water heater is corroded and on open circuit.quite a common occurrence.

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango 54035

On 6 Jun 2013, at 13:02, Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

When I run my generator, everything works perfectly - all the electrical circuits, especially the water heater, are fine.

When
I connect to shorepower, each time I switch on the water heater, and
ONLY the water heater, I trip the fuse behind the 240 volt switch
panel. It is as if the water heater needs more power than the shore
connection can supply.

I have changed the cable to the
shorepower. I have bypassed the plug and socket in the hull and the trip fuse in the lazarette, by connecting the shore power (with new
cable) directly to the cable after the fuse in the lazarette.
But.....each time I switch on the water heater, the second trip fuse,
behind the 240V panel, trips.

Remember, everything is fine when the the generator is running and supplying 240V.

I
believe there is a bad connection somewhere between the trip switch in
the lazarette and the water heater, but where should I look ? It seems
as if the the water heater draws too much power for the shore power to
supply, but the shore power is rated at 30 amps and everything has
worked fine for the 6 months before, in the same marina (in Sicily). If the water heater were faulty, then I assume it wouldn't work with the generator, yet it does.

I would be grateful for any suggestions.

Regards, Tony Robinson

Catriona R Amel 54 #102
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Re: [Amel] Amel 54 shore power/water heater problem

Judy and Bill aboard SV BeBe <yahoogroups@...>
 

It works fine with the generator becausenyou do not have an earth connection to trigger a ground fault.

Bill

--- In amelyachtowners@..., Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...> wrote:

But how would that explain that the water heater works fine when powered by the generator ?

Tony Robinson



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From: Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...>
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel] Amel 54 shore power/water heater problem



 
My guess would be that your water heater is corroded and on open circuit.quite a common occurrence.

Peter

Peter Forbes
Carango 54035

On 6 Jun 2013, at 13:02, Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

When I run my generator, everything works perfectly - all the electrical circuits, especially the water heater, are fine.

When
I connect to shorepower, each time I switch on the water heater, and
ONLY the water heater, I trip the fuse behind the 240 volt switch
panel. It is as if the water heater needs more power than the shore
connection can supply.

I have changed the cable to the
shorepower. I have bypassed the plug and socket in the hull and the trip fuse in the lazarette, by connecting the shore power (with new
cable) directly to the cable after the fuse in the lazarette.
But.....each time I switch on the water heater, the second trip fuse,
behind the 240V panel, trips.

Remember, everything is fine when the the generator is running and supplying 240V.

I
believe there is a bad connection somewhere between the trip switch in
the lazarette and the water heater, but where should I look ? It seems
as if the the water heater draws too much power for the shore power to
supply, but the shore power is rated at 30 amps and everything has
worked fine for the 6 months before, in the same marina (in Sicily). If the water heater were faulty, then I assume it wouldn't work with the generator, yet it does.

I would be grateful for any suggestions.

Regards, Tony Robinson

Catriona R Amel 54 #102
* T

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